On 24/11/2021 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 1:57 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 24/11/21 9:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 24/11/21 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie
>>>>>>>>>>>> about pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese
>>>>>>>>>>> is the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as
>>>>>>>>>>> much a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be
>>>>>>>>>>> no carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a
>>>>>>>>> sense that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with
>>>>>>>>> everything she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart.
>>>>>>>>> Unlike that fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as
>>>>>>>>> Trump. He is well out of his depth in the job.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti
>>>>>>>>>> vax, its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do
>>>>>>>>>> disagree with their methods.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death
>>>>>>>>> threats is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo failed
>>>>>>>>> in his response to these idiots.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just
>>>>>>>>>> because of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the
>>>>>>>>>> entire state with everything he touches, he's created
>>>>>>>>>> thousands of jobs for his union mates with so much road works
>>>>>>>>>> its near impossible to go anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be
>>>>>>>>> maintained then? How odd.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which takes
>>>>>>>> years and years to complete, for example there has been
>>>>>>>> roadworks on the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so
>>>>>>>> long I can't remember when they started.
>>>>>>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that road
>>>>>>>> without having to slow for some unnecessary road works which
>>>>>>>> only happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work
>>>>>>>>>> at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used
>>>>>>>>>> to take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed
>>>>>>>>>> off at Andrews.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't
>>>>>>>>> blame the government though. Maintenance is just something that
>>>>>>>>> has to be done. Like it or not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for the
>>>>>>> past 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided to
>>>>>>> upgrade the freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph down
>>>>>>> to 80kph (lower in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to do the
>>>>>>> job. It was incredibly frustrating and annoying. Frequent traffic
>>>>>>> stops were required, to allow trucks to enter the freeway. I can
>>>>>>> only imagine how horrible it was for professional drivers and
>>>>>>> those who took that trip daily. However, it's all done now and
>>>>>>> the result is excellent. I never blamed the gummint. I'm not
>>>>>>> stupid enough to do so, as I understand that these things have to
>>>>>>> be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and
>>>>>> within a very short time of the works being completed they start
>>>>>> somewhere else, its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
>>>>>> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic
>>>>>> never seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of time,
>>>>>> the money would be better spent elsewhere such as on public
>>>>>> transport.
>>>>>> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams
>>>>>> will never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
>>>>>> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit on
>>>>>> a daily basis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **And your point is?
>>>>
>>>> Its takes 2-3 times longer to get from a to b than it would if they
>>>> didn't do anything.
>>>>
>>>>   You blame the state government. Why?
>>>>
>>>> Who else, the Martians?
>>>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for
>>>> CFMEU members who control the Vic Govt.
>>>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the
>>>> end result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>>>
>>>>   Victorian
>>>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>>>
>>>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> **You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.
>>
>>
>> I've heard that LA PT is more or less non existent but I should of
>> been more specific, I meant the civilized world such as Europe.
>> You should go to London and see what real PT is.
>>
> Actually, if you want really good public transport, go to Tokyo, or
> Japan in general.

**Agreed. Japan has a stunning public transport system. I recall
standing in a queue, waiting to board the Shinkansen. We boarded the
train and sat down. The train began to move and I said to my girlfriend:

"HA! The train is 30 seconds late. So much for this legendary Japanese
efficiency."

She replied:

"I bet your watch is wrong."

Dammit. She was right. The Shinkansen left the platform to the second.
The whole rail system for a non-Japanese speaker, was actually easier to
navigate than the Sydney system. This was in 1988, when there was very
little in the way of English signage.

That Shinkansen was very impressive. I recall looking out the window,
wondering why there was all these cars parked on the freeway. Of course
they weren't parked. They were travelling at 100kph. We were doing 275kph.