In article <tr9i46$3fpta$1@dont-email.me>, wasbit
<wasbitREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Can you explain why *YOU* have a hassle doing group messages but I don't?

because you don't have anyone to message, except maybe yourself.

On 2023-01-30 17:54, wasbit wrote:
> "Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>" wrote in message
> <news:YBWBL.545921$vBI8.195819@fx15.iad>...
>
>>> The only reason to choose iOS, as far as I can tell, is if you
>>> already are
>>> an Apple-only household because iOS plays nice only in the walled
>>> garden.
>>
>> There is no walled garden.
>
> Let's say I believe that the infamous walled garden doesn't exist anymore.
>
> Then let's say I want an alterative app that Apple won't allow on the App
> Store and which Google won't allow on the Google Play Store but which is
> open sourced so it exists at the developer site, github, sourceforge, etc.
>
> It's easily loaded onto Android by *ANY* non-rooted Android user, right?
> But how does it get permanently installed on iOS by a similar typical user?

If it's open source it can be adapted to iOS/MacOS etc. by anyone who
cares to put in the effort in XCode - many s/w languages supported
directly or as "add on" - as such an app written for Android or Linux or
Windows can be ported. (And very many are).

From there can be run on any Mac directly.

or any other Apple system via the App Store.

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"sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>" wrote in message
<news:tr9khp$3fubq$3@dont-email.me>...

>> Can you explain why *YOU* have a hassle doing group messages but I don't?
>
> Apple already explained it, see the link I provided
> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251596129>.

That says it's Apple's problem. And only Apple's problem. Let Apple fix it.

I'm very serious in repeating I don't have any problem with group messages
and I don't even know (nor do I care) what platform recipients are on.

Certainly some are on iOS and others are on Android and it doesn't matter.

> You can read more about it here:
> <https://www.computerworld.com/article/3646870/android-ios-messaging.html>.

That says it's Apple's fault. And besides, it doesn't answer my question of
why I don't have any problem with group messages with mixed Android & iOS.

All it really says is Apple people worry about the color of their bubbles.
Who cares what color their bubble is.

What kind of lowlife person cares what color the text message shows up as?

> There's a way to get iMessage on Android, kind of, but it requires that
> a Mac computer be used
> <https://www.airdroid.com/file-transfer/how-to-use-imessage-on-android/>.
>
> Apple is unlikely to ever allow an iMessage app for Android because
> iMessage is one of the major selling points of iPhone.

You haven't answered my question, which must mean it's all Apple's problem
because I don't have *ANY* problem with my group or individual messaging.

Can you tell me what problem you're expecting me to see on Android please?
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"Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>" wrote in message
<news:ClZBL.389559$MVg8.254851@fx12.iad>...

>> It's easily loaded onto Android by *ANY* non-rooted Android user, right?
>> But how does it get permanently installed on iOS by a similar typical user?
>
> If it's open source it can be adapted to iOS/MacOS etc. by anyone who
> cares to put in the effort in XCode - many s/w languages supported
> directly or as "add on" - as such an app written for Android or Linux or
> Windows can be ported. (And very many are).
>
> From there can be run on any Mac directly.
>
> or any other Apple system via the App Store.

Do you realize you first said, rather emphatically, there is no walled
garden, and in the very next sentence, you said (rather sheepishly) that
the walled garden is preventing you from doing what you want iOS to do.

You can't have it both ways. Pick one please.
Either a typical user can install any app that exists, or they can't.

Let's take the simple example of "Ungoogled Chromium" which bills itself as
the "Chrome browser without Google" (which is a desirable capability).

[If you want to argue that's not desirable, I'll just pick another app. And
then another & another after that - so please don't go down that rathole.]

It's not on the Apple App Store. It's not on the Google Play Store either.
But github has it. https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium

On Android, any non-root user can easily install the Ungoogled Chromium
package using any web browser they want to use. They can even set it as
their default web browser on Android if that's the choice they want to set.

If you're correct that there is no walled garden after all, then I'll admit
I was wrong when you show me how a typical iPhone user can install the app.

[Don't go down the rathole of having to install the app every three days
either if that's the only way that you can get around the walled garden.]

I have access to a number of iPhones, so if you're correct that there is no
walled garden, then you'll have no problem showing me how to install it.
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sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
sms wrote on 30.01.2023 23:35> Living in Silicon Valley it's easy to forget
that the level of
> technological sophistication is less than expected in some areas and
> among some demographics.
>
> I found some T-Mobile people helpful. The first time I considered them,
> I went to the local store, they looked up my address, and told me that
> their service was not available. Another time, one of their stores in
> San Francisco was very unhelpful wanting to charge a large fee for
> activating four new lines, but a mall kiosk a five minute walk away was
> able to port four lines over at no charge.
>
> Reading some Usenet posts is a stark reminder that not everyone
> understands all of the intricacies involved in choosing a device and a
> mobile operator.

In just three paragraphs, he called The Real Bev not only illiterate, but
he then said T-Mobile doesn't serve the entire community of Cupertino, CA.

In article <tr9rnu$3hah1$1@dont-email.me>, wasbit
<wasbitREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I have access to a number of iPhones, so if you're correct that there is no
> walled garden, then you'll have no problem showing me how to install it.

you've been told how many times.

On 1/30/2023 5:21 PM, wasbit wrote:
> "sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>" wrote in message
> <news:tr9khp$3fubq$3@dont-email.me>...
>
>>> Can you explain why *YOU* have a hassle doing group messages but I
>>> don't?
>>
>> Apple already explained it, see the link I provided
>> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251596129>.
>
> That says it's Apple's problem. And only Apple's problem. Let Apple fix it.

It's not something that Apple has any desire to "fix." The availability
of iMessage only on iPhones is a selling point for the iPhone, at least
in the U.S. where WhatsApp, WeChat, Signal, and Line usage is minimal.

Teens especially dread the green bubble:
<https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-teens-dread-the-green-text-bubble-11641618009>.

nospam wrote:

>> Occasionally I have a relative or friend ask me how to do something on
>> their iPhone that I'm able to do on an Android device and I have to tell
>> them that it's not possible because there is no equivalent app available
>> on iOS.
>
> assuming that story is even remotely true, what you fail to mention are
> the many things that ios can do that android cannot do (or nowhere near
> as easily).

It's no longer shocking how utterly _ignorant_ nospam is of Android apps.

Where are the automatic call recorders on iOS, nospam?
What about wi-fi and cellular graphical debugging apps on iOS, nospam?

Where on the Apple iOS app store are the full-system on-device firewalls?
Likewise, where is the on-device gps spoofing apps on iOS, nospam?

Heck, where are the no-ad youtube replacement apps, nospam?
HINT: You claim apps with ads don't have ads - and yet they do.

Where on the Apple app store are the non-webkit web browsers, nospam?
As a direct result of that webkit requirement, nospam...
Where is the real tor browser bundle from the Guardian Project on iOS?
HINT: Webkit doesn't have the privacy needed.

Meanwhile, where are the choices for app launchers on iOS, nospam?
Or the alternate clients for the Apple app store with better filters?

How about something as simple as a real app drawer app, nospam?
HINT: Apple's "copy" of Android is crippled in many classic ways.

While it's obvious you are completely _ignorant_ of what Android apps do
name just _one_ app functionality that you claim is on iOS (all by its itty
bitty self) that isn't already (probably long ago) on a 5 year old Android.

*Name just one*

"sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>" wrote in message
<news:tr9vsl$3km0s$1@dont-email.me>...

> It's not something that Apple has any desire to "fix." The availability
> of iMessage only on iPhones is a selling point for the iPhone, at least
> in the U.S. where WhatsApp, WeChat, Signal, and Line usage is minimal.
>
> Teens especially dread the green bubble:
> <https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-teens-dread-the-green-text-bubble-11641618009>.

That's at least three times you've avoided answering the question I asked.
Each article you've referred to says the problem is only on Apple's side.

I understand that teens are influenced by their peers but you still haven't
answered the question I've now asked three times of why you claim I should
be seeing a problem that I'm not seeing with my group messages on Android.

If you don't answer this third or fourth request, I'll be forced to assume
you had some ulterior motive to claim a problem that doesn't even exist.
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Am 30.01.23 um 22:35 schrieb sms:
> On 1/30/2023 1:28 PM, wasbit wrote:
>> I would disagree that it's a "hassle" and you're going to have a hard sell
>> to convince me that I don't SMS/MMS with iPhone & Android users alike.
>
> It's actually a big hassle when you're doing group messages. See
> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251596129>

You simply do not know how it works. I have no hassle for years now.

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Am 31.01.23 um 00:49 schrieb nospam:
> In article <tr9hre$3fol7$1@dont-email.me>, wasbit
> <wasbitREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> It's easily loaded onto Android by *ANY* non-rooted Android user, right?
>
> sometimes root is required, depending on the app.
>
>> But how does it get permanently installed on iOS by a similar typical user?
>
> there are several methods which have been discussed before, and you
> ignore all of it because it contradicts your trolling.

+1

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Am 31.01.23 um 02:43 schrieb wasbit:
> "Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>" wrote in message
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You are a primitive Troll.

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On 1/30/2023 9:15 PM, wasbit wrote:

<snip>

> If you don't answer this third or fourth request, I'll be forced to assume
> you had some ulterior motive to claim a problem that doesn't even exist.

I don't think that there's any way to get you to understand the issue
with iMessage and Android.

Apple turns texts between iPhones and Android phones into SMS (for
individual respondents) and MMS messages (for groups).

It's group chats that are the issue. You can't remove anyone from a
group chat if anyone in the group is not using iMessage. See
<https://www.alphr.com/remove-someone-message-group-iphone/>.

As Business Insider stated "There are a massive amount of users who get
rid of their Android phones specifically because they can't use
iMessage," and it's group chats that are the big problem.

Another big advantage of iMessage is that it can use Wi-Fi or cellular
data to transmit and receive messages, while SMS is cellular only.

Of course this could all be solved if everyone used apps like WhatsApp,
WeChat, Line, or Signal,as is the case in most of the world.

On 2023-01-30 20:43, wasbit wrote:
> "Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>" wrote in message
> <news:ClZBL.389559$MVg8.254851@fx12.iad>...
>
>>> It's easily loaded onto Android by *ANY* non-rooted Android user, right?
>>> But how does it get permanently installed on iOS by a similar typical
>>> user?
>>
>> If it's open source it can be adapted to iOS/MacOS etc. by anyone who
>> cares to put in the effort in XCode - many s/w languages supported
>> directly or as "add on" - as such an app written for Android or Linux
>> or Windows can be ported.  (And very many are).
>>
>>  From there can be run on any Mac directly.
>>
>> or any other Apple system via the App Store.
>
> Do you realize you first said, rather emphatically, there is no walled
> garden, and in the very next sentence, you said (rather sheepishly) that
> the walled garden is preventing you from doing what you want iOS to do.

No I didn't. If you don't understand how things work, it's really not
my issue.

> You can't have it both ways. Pick one please. Either a typical user can
> install any app that exists, or they can't.

You brought up open source. That's not a magical thing, it's just
source code out there in the public-(ish)-domain. Anyone with the
skills to do so can adapt to run somewhere else.

Doesn't mean the original writer has to.

> Let's take the simple example of "Ungoogled Chromium" which bills itself as
> the "Chrome browser without Google" (which is a desirable capability).
>
> [If you want to argue that's not desirable, I'll just pick another app. And
> then another & another after that - so please don't go down that rathole.]
>
> It's not on the Apple App Store. It's not on the Google Play Store either.
> But github has it. https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium
>
> On Android, any non-root user can easily install the Ungoogled Chromium
> package using any web browser they want to use. They can even set it as
> their default web browser on Android if that's the choice they want to set.
>
> If you're correct that there is no walled garden after all, then I'll admit
> I was wrong when you show me how a typical iPhone user can install the app.

I wouldn't know because I don't care. There are various great browsers
for iOS and that is sufficient unto the day.

Now, if there is someone who wants to distribute Chromium for iOS, he
can do so - and follow the iOS way which is via the App Store (various
distribution models) because Apple impose that needle hole for good
reason. Yes, there's an annual fee. Man up.

It's not something to get your panties in a knot over - but it is a red
herring Androiders like to tout. Quite silly.

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On 2023-01-30 14:40, wasbit wrote:

> You don't understand that Android hardware is better than iPhone hardware
> when you want to have the sd card and aux jack as just two examples.

Aux jack is a pre-1900 technology (though miniaturized later). A
physical aperture into a portable device that provides a sole low
bandwidth purpose is just plain bad engineering in the 21st century.

The lightning connector is far better and does far more - though can be
a pain when you want to charge and use the headphones at the same time
(solutions: a two port adapter or use airpod or charge wirelessly). Not
sure what will happen when Apple go USB-C. Also have a lightning port?
Impose the use of AirPods/BT? We'll see.

Lack of an SD slot is another red herring that Android users run up the
pole. Just not needed for most (a very high most) of smartphone users -
I've yet to see or hear of anyone in the real world using one (last 10+
years anyway).

Again, providing an SD slot in a smartphone is just plain bad
engineering for the vast majority of use cases. (Indeed many high end
Android phones do not have SD slots. Because: no need)

Choose your smartphone with ample memory. Caveat: Apple have always
been quite expensive for larger memory - but as (at least in my case)
it's a 5 year purchase, that spreads out over time nicely.

Apple lead the industry in dropping things that are "dated". Floppy
drives, CD/DVD drives, ports, etc. and so on. Other companies follow. Par.

So if you really "want" those things in a smartphone then you're
relegated to Android.

Pro tip: "Want" ≠ "Need".

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In article <NU8CL.49195$0XR7.31051@fx07.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

>
> > You don't understand that Android hardware is better than iPhone hardware
> > when you want to have the sd card and aux jack as just two examples.
>
> Aux jack is a pre-1900 technology (though miniaturized later). A
> physical aperture into a portable device that provides a sole low
> bandwidth purpose is just plain bad engineering in the 21st century.

yep. it's also one of the most common failure points.

> The lightning connector is far better and does far more - though can be
> a pain when you want to charge and use the headphones at the same time
> (solutions: a two port adapter or use airpod or charge wirelessly).

that's very rarely an issue. iphones can get more than 2 days
continuous audio playback. nobody will be listening for that long
without sleeping, thus there is ample opportunity to charge it.

> Not
> sure what will happen when Apple go USB-C. Also have a lightning port?
> Impose the use of AirPods/BT? We'll see.

usb-c headphones will work.

apple will almost certainly sell their own, but there's no requirement
that they must be from apple. third party usb-c headphones would also
work, as do third party lightning headphones for iphones with
lightning.

> Lack of an SD slot is another red herring that Android users run up the
> pole. Just not needed for most (a very high most) of smartphone users -
> I've yet to see or hear of anyone in the real world using one (last 10+
> years anyway).

> Again, providing an SD slot in a smartphone is just plain bad
> engineering for the vast majority of use cases. (Indeed many high end
> Android phones do not have SD slots. Because: no need)

the existence of an sd card slot doesn't mean it's actually used, a
concept totally lost on some people.

the same applies to the analog headphone jack. it's not used anywhere
near as much as some people want to believe.

> Choose your smartphone with ample memory. Caveat: Apple have always
> been quite expensive for larger memory - but as (at least in my case)
> it's a 5 year purchase, that spreads out over time nicely.

internal memory is also much faster, and for the latest iphones, it's
ddr5.

android will even reject an sd card if it's too slow.

> Pro tip: "Want" ‚ "Need".

yep.

"sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>" wrote in message
<news:trahse$3nohi$1@dont-email.me>...

> I don't think that there's any way to get you to understand the issue
> with iMessage and Android.

I don't think there's any way to get you to answer the question of why what
you're saying is a big deal isn't happening on my Android group messages.

> Apple turns texts between iPhones and Android phones into SMS (for
> individual respondents) and MMS messages (for groups).

Like I said, who cares what Apple does when there isn't any issue messaging
multiple people using what you are calling "group chats?" on Android?

> It's group chats that are the issue. You can't remove anyone from a
> group chat if anyone in the group is not using iMessage. See
> <https://www.alphr.com/remove-someone-message-group-iphone/>.

Who cares about Apple's problems with what you call "group chats" if I can
add and remove anyone I want from my message to multiple people on Android?

> As Business Insider stated "There are a massive amount of users who get
> rid of their Android phones specifically because they can't use
> iMessage," and it's group chats that are the big problem.

Why would I get rid of my Android phone because Apple can't make what you
call "group chats" work for its users. They should be moving to Android.

> Another big advantage of iMessage is that it can use Wi-Fi or cellular
> data to transmit and receive messages, while SMS is cellular only.

I already showed you that's old data which is no longer true for Android.

> Of course this could all be solved if everyone used apps like WhatsApp,
> WeChat, Line, or Signal,as is the case in most of the world.

I give up with this non problem and I will no longer discuss this topic.

Stop making up problems that don't exist on Android & let Apple fix their
silly bubble colors and their "group chats" that can't change recipients.
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"Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>" wrote in message
<news:NU8CL.49195$0XR7.31051@fx07.iad>...

> Aux jack is a pre-1900 technology (though miniaturized later). A
> physical aperture into a portable device that provides a sole low
> bandwidth purpose is just plain bad engineering in the 21st century.

You are like Trump, making claims that sound good only to dumb people.

> The lightning connector is far better and does far more - though can be
> a pain when you want to charge and use the headphones at the same time
> (solutions: a two port adapter or use airpod or charge wirelessly). Not
> sure what will happen when Apple go USB-C. Also have a lightning port?
> Impose the use of AirPods/BT? We'll see.

That aux technology has worked for decades is, in your Trumpian mindset,
somehow a flaw when almost everything we use today was "invented" prior.

> Lack of an SD slot is another red herring that Android users run up the
> pole. Just not needed for most (a very high most) of smartphone users -
> I've yet to see or hear of anyone in the real world using one (last 10+
> years anyway).

I'm realizing with those statements above that you're no different than
Trump in making claims that are just made up. Everyone uses sd cards.

> Again, providing an SD slot in a smartphone is just plain bad
> engineering for the vast majority of use cases. (Indeed many high end
> Android phones do not have SD slots. Because: no need)

I think we can't proceed because in your Trump-like mindset, you are blind
to the billions of sd cards being used in electronics, including Androids.

> Choose your smartphone with ample memory.

That you said that means you do not understand anything about sd cards!

> Caveat: Apple have always
> been quite expensive for larger memory - but as (at least in my case)
> it's a 5 year purchase, that spreads out over time nicely.

While they can do that, they're not used to substitute for Android internal
memory which is dirt cheap nowadays. You are like Trump in your mindsets.
> Apple lead the industry in dropping things that are "dated". Floppy
> drives, CD/DVD drives, ports, etc. and so on. Other companies follow. Par.

Everything you say shows you are like Trump in saying dumb things because
you argue against sd cards but you obviously don't know what they're for.
> So if you really "want" those things in a smartphone then you're
> relegated to Android.

You are no different than Trump in that you said there is no walled garden
and then the next sentence later you said there is a walled garden after
all and now you say nobody needs sd cards but you don't even know what
they're used for.

It's not possible to have a meaningful discussion with you because it's
like trying to have a meaningful discussion with Donald Trump himself.
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"Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>" wrote in message
<news:cc8CL.637197$9sn9.341291@fx17.iad>...

>> Do you realize you first said, rather emphatically, there is no walled
>> garden, and in the very next sentence, you said (rather sheepishly) that
>> the walled garden is preventing you from doing what you want iOS to do.
>
> No I didn't. If you don't understand how things work, it's really not
> my issue.

Every statement from you is a personal attack like Trump does where you now
claim that I don't understand how to install programs on Android & iOS like
"ungoogled chromium", when it's you who said there is no walled garden.

>
>> You can't have it both ways. Pick one please. Either a typical user can
>> install any app that exists, or they can't.
>
> You brought up open source. That's not a magical thing, it's just
> source code out there in the public-(ish)-domain. Anyone with the
> skills to do so can adapt to run somewhere else.

You are like Trump repeatedly trying to change the narrative to "open
source" when I said repeatedly it doesn't matter if the code is open or
not. What matters is that you, like Trump, deny the walled garden exists
and then in the next sentence you prove that the walled garden exists.

> Doesn't mean the original writer has to.

You're like Trump in that your narratives don't make sense except to you.
>> If you're correct that there is no walled garden after all, then I'll admit
>> I was wrong when you show me how a typical iPhone user can install the app.
>
> I wouldn't know because I don't care. There are various great browsers
> for iOS and that is sufficient unto the day.

Again and again I am finding out your mindset is that of a Trump supporter
where you first emphatically said the walled garden doesn't exist and then
you repeated that it doesn't exist even as you can't show how to install
any app (like Ungoogled Chromium) that isn't on the app store onto iOS.

> Now, if there is someone who wants to distribute Chromium for iOS, he
> can do so - and follow the iOS way which is via the App Store (various
> distribution models) because Apple impose that needle hole for good
> reason. Yes, there's an annual fee. Man up.

You man up to the fact that you lied about the walled garden much like
Trump lies about having won the election - and you won't ever back down.
> It's not something to get your panties in a knot over - but it is a red
> herring Androiders like to tout. Quite silly.ul information
> which, in this case, is to

I'm slowly realizing it's impossible to converse with you just as it's
impossible to converse with anyone who gets all their news from Fox.

Like Fox News, you loudly repeat the walled garden doesn't exist, and then
everything that you say afterward shows that the walled garden exists.

Worse, you don't even understand what the walled garden means since you are
repeatedly claiming, much like Trump does with the election results, that I
can install as a typical user any app that isn't on the app store.

To you, Android users are like evil Democrats who can install apps that you
can't install, so you attack them because they don't live inside the walls.
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On 2023-01-31 09:50, wasbit wrote:
> "Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>" wrote in message
> <news:NU8CL.49195$0XR7.31051@fx07.iad>...
>
>> Aux jack is a pre-1900 technology (though miniaturized later).  A
>> physical aperture into a portable device that provides a sole low
>> bandwidth purpose is just plain bad engineering in the 21st century.
>
> You are like Trump, making claims that sound good only to dumb people.

By your logic we should be using Morse keys.

>> The lightning connector is far better and does far more - though can
>> be a pain when you want to charge and use the headphones at the same
>> time (solutions: a two port adapter or use airpod or charge
>> wirelessly).  Not sure what will happen when Apple go USB-C.  Also
>> have a lightning port? Impose the use of AirPods/BT?  We'll see.
>
> That aux technology has worked for decades is, in your Trumpian mindset,
> somehow a flaw when almost everything we use today was "invented" prior.

Lots of things have worked for decades and are no longer in use because
better solutions have come along.

Any car makers delivering carburetors in their cars these days?

That eight track working out for you - or have you upgraded to cassette?

Those rabbit ears getting great signal?

>> Lack of an SD slot is another red herring that Android users run up
>> the pole.  Just not needed for most (a very high most) of smartphone
>> users - I've yet to see or hear of anyone in the real world using one
>> (last 10+ years anyway).
>
> I'm realizing with those statements above that you're no different than
> Trump in making claims that are just made up. Everyone uses sd cards.

Everyone? Name them. SD card use is in great decline except in niches
where they are useful (I use them for some things too).

>> Again, providing an SD slot in a smartphone is just plain bad
>> engineering for the vast majority of use cases.  (Indeed many high end
>> Android phones do not have SD slots.  Because: no need)
>
> I think we can't proceed because in your Trump-like mindset, you are blind
> to the billions of sd cards being used in electronics, including Androids.

Not all Androids. Why is that?

And even if an Android phone has an SD slot, it does not mean that it is
being used by the owner of that smartphone.

>> Choose your smartphone with ample memory.
>
> That you said that means you do not understand anything about sd cards!

Have dozens. For my drones, for my various Raspberry Pi projects, a
couple cameras.

>> Caveat: Apple have always been quite expensive for larger memory - but
>> as (at least in my case) it's a 5 year purchase, that spreads out over
>> time nicely.
>
> While they can do that, they're not used to substitute for Android internal
> memory which is dirt cheap nowadays. You are like Trump in your mindsets.

Missing the point entirely, of course. Par for you.

>> Apple lead the industry in dropping things that are "dated".  Floppy
>> drives, CD/DVD drives, ports, etc. and so on. Other companies follow.
>> Par.
>
> Everything you say shows you are like Trump in saying dumb things because
> you argue against sd cards but you obviously don't know what they're for.

See above. Got dozens. Just don't have them in my smartphones (full
disclosure: I did have a Samsung S5 a few years ago with an SD card in
it. Bought the phone used for some GPS experiments - didn't need the SD
card for that however. It was just "there". Sold the phone after a few
months (paid $40, got $20 out, so call it ~$6/month in rent).

>> So if you really "want" those things in a smartphone then you're
>> relegated to Android.
>
> You are no different than Trump in that you said there is no walled garden
> and then the next sentence later you said there is a walled garden after
> all and now you say nobody needs sd cards but you don't even know what
> they're used for.
>
> It's not possible to have a meaningful discussion with you because it's
> like trying to have a meaningful discussion with Donald Trump himself.

That is a bit obsessive throwing of an idiot's name around to try to
defend your point (and just as badly as he does). Really means you're
so desperate in your bad position that you have to cast other shade to
try to score points. (And fail miserably at it, of course).

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

On 2023-01-31 10:05, wasbit wrote:
> "Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>" wrote in message
> <news:cc8CL.637197$9sn9.341291@fx17.iad>...
>
>>> Do you realize you first said, rather emphatically, there is no walled
>>> garden, and in the very next sentence, you said (rather sheepishly) that
>>> the walled garden is preventing you from doing what you want iOS to do.
>>
>> No I didn't.  If you don't understand how things work, it's really not
>> my issue.
>
> Every statement from you is a personal attack like Trump does where you now
> claim that I don't understand how to install programs on Android & iOS like
> "ungoogled chromium", when it's you who said there is no walled garden.

Other than your obsession with Trump (whatever floats your boat as long
as you keep Kleenex handy and attend to your hygiene), I'd point out
that you have 0 clue about what a walled garden actually is.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

In article <trb9s0$3rpb0$1@dont-email.me>, wasbit
<wasbitREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I am like Trump, making claims that sound good only to dumb people.

ftfy

> > The lightning connector is far better and does far more - though can be
> > a pain when you want to charge and use the headphones at the same time
> > (solutions: a two port adapter or use airpod or charge wirelessly). Not
> > sure what will happen when Apple go USB-C. Also have a lightning port?
> > Impose the use of AirPods/BT? We'll see.
>
> That aux technology has worked for decades

and now something better has replaced it.

it's called progress.

>
> It's not possible to have a meaningful discussion with me because it's
> like trying to have a meaningful discussion with Donald Trump himself.

ftfy.

In article <TuaCL.493156$iU59.105488@fx14.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> > That aux technology has worked for decades is, in your Trumpian mindset,
> > somehow a flaw when almost everything we use today was "invented" prior.
>
> Lots of things have worked for decades and are no longer in use because
> better solutions have come along.
>
> Any car makers delivering carburetors in their cars these days?
>
> That eight track working out for you - or have you upgraded to cassette?

true audiophiles use wax cylinders.

On 2023-01-31 10:43, nospam wrote:
> In article <TuaCL.493156$iU59.105488@fx14.iad>, Alan Browne
> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>>> That aux technology has worked for decades is, in your Trumpian mindset,
>>> somehow a flaw when almost everything we use today was "invented" prior.
>>
>> Lots of things have worked for decades and are no longer in use because
>> better solutions have come along.
>>
>> Any car makers delivering carburetors in their cars these days?
>>
>> That eight track working out for you - or have you upgraded to cassette?
>
> true audiophiles use wax cylinders.

I feel so bad for having sold those off to the museum.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

In article <KIaCL.472014$8_id.308637@fx09.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> >> That eight track working out for you - or have you upgraded to cassette?
> >
> > true audiophiles use wax cylinders.
>
> I feel so bad for having sold those off to the museum.

at least you know they're safe.