So, who is playing or will be playing it? :P
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ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote in
news:ImSdnTUsMLLBRuf5nZ2dnZfqnPFg4p2d@earthlink.com:

> So, who is playing or will be playing it? :P

Loved 1 and 2, but 3 killed the game for me, so I won't be.

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On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 16:55:44 -0000 (UTC), "Mark P. Nelson"
<markpnelson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Loved 1 and 2, but 3 killed the game for me, so I won't be.

I loved all three, but I doubt I will bother with four. I just don't
need another hack & slasher right now.

On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 06:19:08 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>So, who is playing or will be playing it? :P

It's an Activision game, so not me.

And even if it weren't, I still wouldn't touch it for a year or two
until the game has settled down into its final form and we can make an
honest assessment of how bad the MTX will really be.

On 6/2/2023 11:19 PM, Ant wrote:
> So, who is playing or will be playing it? :P

I played the open beta and server slam. Looked awesome. I'll definitely
get it. I am planning to start with a rogue character.
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On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 06:19:08 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>So, who is playing or will be playing it? :P

*--

When is it going to be out, and by whom?

-pw

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Mark P. Nelson <markpnelson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote in
> news:ImSdnTUsMLLBRuf5nZ2dnZfqnPFg4p2d@earthlink.com:

> > So, who is playing or will be playing it? :P

> Loved 1 and 2, but 3 killed the game for me, so I won't be.

You didn't try D4's free testings?
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PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 06:19:08 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

> >So, who is playing or will be playing it? :P

> *--

> When is it going to be out, and by whom?

Out for the more expensive editions like Ultimate for early access
before it opens to everyone else on the 6th. Blizzard and Activision,
duh. Who else?
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On 6/3/2023 11:30 PM, Ant wrote:
> PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 06:19:08 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>
>>> So, who is playing or will be playing it? :P
>
>> *--
>
>> When is it going to be out, and by whom?
>
> Out for the more expensive editions like Ultimate for early access
> before it opens to everyone else on the 6th. Blizzard and Activision,
> duh. Who else?
You must understand-you're dealing with the
Montana Manholer, AKA shit for brains.

On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 1:05:04 PM UTC-5, Mike S. wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 16:55:44 -0000 (UTC), "Mark P. Nelson"
> <markp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >Loved 1 and 2, but 3 killed the game for me, so I won't be.
> I loved all three, but I doubt I will bother with four. I just don't
> need another hack & slasher right now.

I've heard that few people liked Diablo 3, but could you tell me why? For me it was the broken multiplayer. It wasn't the graphics, they were pretty good.

On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 22:44:17 -0700 (PDT), "Pr. Mandrake"
<jfwaldby@gmail.com> wrote:

>I've heard that few people liked Diablo 3, but could you tell me why? For me it was the broken multiplayer. It wasn't the graphics, they were pretty good.

The game did suck when it first came out. You could not log in to play
it as the servers were always down.

Item drops were piss poor. You couldn't get a decent item to drop.
Which effectively meant that the loot table was broken... in a hack
and slash game. Yeah, that is bad.

And there was the real money auction house. You did not find your gear
in the game. You purchased it with $$ in the AH. Ugh.

All of these problems went away when the expansion pack came out. Of
course, this was too late for some people who moved on to other games.

Diablo 3 is one of the best hack and slashers ever. But it was one of
the worst at release.

On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 15:05:49 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>And even if it weren't, I still wouldn't touch it for a year or two
>until the game has settled down into its final form and we can make an
>honest assessment of how bad the MTX will really be.

I won't touch any game until, as you say, they settle down into their
final form. Diablo 4 itself is likely to change, maybe dramatically,
over the coming many months.

On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 07:12:18 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Mike
S. wrote:

>On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 22:44:17 -0700 (PDT), "Pr. Mandrake"
><jfwaldby@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I've heard that few people liked Diablo 3, but could you tell me why? For me it was the broken multiplayer. It wasn't the graphics, they were pretty good.
>
>The game did suck when it first came out. You could not log in to play
>it as the servers were always down.
>
>Item drops were piss poor. You couldn't get a decent item to drop.
>Which effectively meant that the loot table was broken... in a hack
>and slash game. Yeah, that is bad.
>
>And there was the real money auction house. You did not find your gear
>in the game. You purchased it with $$ in the AH. Ugh.
>
>All of these problems went away when the expansion pack came out. Of
>course, this was too late for some people who moved on to other games.
>
>Diablo 3 is one of the best hack and slashers ever. But it was one of
>the worst at release.

Ouch. I hope they restored some of that good will for IV and don't plan
to monetize like that again.

I heard all of that stuff about III and just decided that I would pass.
Play Torchlight or something. I wonder how many people joined me?

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On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 10:05:01 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I heard all of that stuff about III and just decided that I would pass.
>Play Torchlight or something. I wonder how many people joined me?

I passed and I would have continued passing but a friend asked me to
buy it when it was on sale and play the game with him. By that point,
the expansion was out and the game was in a much better state.

There is a decent chance I was playing Torchlight 2 or Titan Quest at
the time of Diablo 3's initial release so I probably did join you.

On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 03:30:58 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 06:19:08 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>
>> >So, who is playing or will be playing it? :P
>
>> *--
>
>> When is it going to be out, and by whom?
>
>Out for the more expensive editions like Ultimate for early access
>before it opens to everyone else on the 6th. Blizzard and Activision,
>duh. Who else?

*--

Yep! Thanks Ant!

-pw

On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 03:30:58 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 06:19:08 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>
>> >So, who is playing or will be playing it? :P
>
>> *--
>
>> When is it going to be out, and by whom?
>
>Out for the more expensive editions like Ultimate for early access
>before it opens to everyone else on the 6th. Blizzard and Activision,
>duh. Who else?

*---

Battlenet: "It has been a busy day for Battlenet. Leave the window
open and we will get to you as soon as possible".

I think I will wait for reviews!

-pw

Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 10:05:01 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
> wrote:

> >I heard all of that stuff about III and just decided that I would pass.
> >Play Torchlight or something. I wonder how many people joined me?

> I passed and I would have continued passing but a friend asked me to
> buy it when it was on sale and play the game with him. By that point,
> the expansion was out and the game was in a much better state.

> There is a decent chance I was playing Torchlight 2 or Titan Quest at
> the time of Diablo 3's initial release so I probably did join you.

Torchlight games were fun too. :)
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Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 15:05:49 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
> <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

> >And even if it weren't, I still wouldn't touch it for a year or two
> >until the game has settled down into its final form and we can make an
> >honest assessment of how bad the MTX will really be.

> I won't touch any game until, as you say, they settle down into their
> final form. Diablo 4 itself is likely to change, maybe dramatically,
> over the coming many months.

And more expansions. They don't even include all classes like paladins!
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PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 03:30:58 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

> >PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 06:19:08 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
> >
> >> >So, who is playing or will be playing it? :P
> >
> >> *--
> >
> >> When is it going to be out, and by whom?
> >
> >Out for the more expensive editions like Ultimate for early access
> >before it opens to everyone else on the 6th. Blizzard and Activision,
> >duh. Who else?

> *--

> Yep! Thanks Ant!

You're welcome!
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PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 03:30:58 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

> >PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 06:19:08 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
> >
> >> >So, who is playing or will be playing it? :P
> >
> >> *--
> >
> >> When is it going to be out, and by whom?
> >
> >Out for the more expensive editions like Ultimate for early access
> >before it opens to everyone else on the 6th. Blizzard and Activision,
> >duh. Who else?

> *---

> Battlenet: "It has been a busy day for Battlenet. Leave the window
> open and we will get to you as soon as possible".

> I think I will wait for reviews!

Reviews are already out. Mostly hard to get into the servers. Blizzard
failed with its server slam weekend. They should had done it BEFORE
Mother's Day weekend!
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2023 03:06:18 +0000, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Ant
wrote:

>Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 15:05:49 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
>> <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >And even if it weren't, I still wouldn't touch it for a year or two
>> >until the game has settled down into its final form and we can make an
>> >honest assessment of how bad the MTX will really be.
>
>> I won't touch any game until, as you say, they settle down into their
>> final form. Diablo 4 itself is likely to change, maybe dramatically,
>> over the coming many months.
>
>And more expansions. They don't even include all classes like paladins!

I can accept a straight-up DLC expanding upon a core basic game like
that. Especially for cosmetics like skins that are totally unnecessary.
Less so for core, traditional classes. Yeah, it disappoints longtime
customers, but they were already buying it. This I understand.

<rant>

But (perhaps deliberately) releasing a broken loot system and
simultaneously introducing an "auction house" item market to "fix it" is
horrible. I just swore off Diablo entirely, and I _like_ 3rd person
looter RPGs.

This MTX to win/set up a microeconomy with commissions just to play
effectively nonsense has got to go. I hope they leave that on the phones,
pls, and I hope we continue to resist it. I find it insulting to my
intelligence as a member of the PC Master Race. To me there's a
distinction between predatory practices/whale hunting and what you
described, which is just spreading out consumer costs to make the true
cost to value equation more palatable to the consumer.

Personally though, I wish they'd just drop all of that DLC stuff too and
just raise the prices of games and provide a complete game up front. I
think most of their market would accept that and it would lessen the bad
will resulting from nickel-and-diming us. Pleasing your legacy clients
increases organic buzz, and organic buzz results in expansion of a
market. Once you have a unicorn franchise like Diablo, why kill it like
that?

But my contemporary marketing classes and experience with client
expectations (make a buck! NOW!) tells me the opposite, as well as my
development PM and management best practices, and that's whom they're
listening to. It allows for earlier release and pleases the stockholders.

Personally, I would buck the trend and I think my client would be
pleasantly suprised by the results. All this bad will prioritizes
short-term gain at the expense of longevity. Longevity, IMO, is actual
success and where the real money is. It's a "grow the brand" philosophy,
consistently applied and not followed by "cannibalize the brand you just
built." This maximal monetization and move on like a pack of locusts
method is going to have a ruinous end, and there's no guarantee they can
restart the build good will then capitalize cycle. It's just "pump and
dump" and customers are going to detect the "dump" phase more readily as
it goes on. It's like a drug addiction, less effective with each dose,
and the devs/publishers are either going to recognize that or eventually
crash out when they want to cash out.*

</rant>

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

*I feel better now. My gaming performance therapist will be happy with
me.

On Mon, 05 Jun 2023 03:09:05 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 03:30:58 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>
>> >PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 06:19:08 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>> >
>> >> >So, who is playing or will be playing it? :P
>> >
>> >> *--
>> >
>> >> When is it going to be out, and by whom?
>> >
>> >Out for the more expensive editions like Ultimate for early access
>> >before it opens to everyone else on the 6th. Blizzard and Activision,
>> >duh. Who else?
>
>> *---
>
>> Battlenet: "It has been a busy day for Battlenet. Leave the window
>> open and we will get to you as soon as possible".
>
>> I think I will wait for reviews!
>
>Reviews are already out. Mostly hard to get into the servers. Blizzard
>failed with its server slam weekend. They should had done it BEFORE
>Mother's Day weekend!

*---

It took me a month or so of nights to initially install and update
Microsoft Flight Sim when it came out. The servers were so incredibly
slow! Very frustrating experience.

Thanks again Ant!

-pw

On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 10:44:18 PM UTC-7, Pr. Mandrake wrote:
> On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 1:05:04 PM UTC-5, Mike S. wrote:
> > On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 16:55:44 -0000 (UTC), "Mark P. Nelson"
> > <markp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Loved 1 and 2, but 3 killed the game for me, so I won't be.
> > I loved all three, but I doubt I will bother with four. I just don't
> > need another hack & slasher right now.
> I've heard that few people liked Diablo 3, but could you tell me why? For me it was the broken multiplayer. It wasn't the graphics, they were pretty good.

I enjoyed it fine, It was just a bit too grindy, much like 2 IMHO. I
actually enjoyed it a bit more before they got rid of the auction
house as it made it easy to trade stuff. I never used the real
money auction house though. I suppose I just didn't enjoy it
enough though.

I'm not planning on picking up 4 with that insane price and MTX.
Horse Armor redux.
https://www.gamesradar.com/new-diablo-4-images-point-to-pricey-looking-horse-armor-as-microtransactions-come-full-circle/

- Justisaur

PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jun 2023 03:09:05 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

> >PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 03:30:58 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
> >
> >> >PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 06:19:08 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >So, who is playing or will be playing it? :P
> >> >
> >> >> *--
> >> >
> >> >> When is it going to be out, and by whom?
> >> >
> >> >Out for the more expensive editions like Ultimate for early access
> >> >before it opens to everyone else on the 6th. Blizzard and Activision,
> >> >duh. Who else?
> >
> >> *---
> >
> >> Battlenet: "It has been a busy day for Battlenet. Leave the window
> >> open and we will get to you as soon as possible".
> >
> >> I think I will wait for reviews!
> >
> >Reviews are already out. Mostly hard to get into the servers. Blizzard
> >failed with its server slam weekend. They should had done it BEFORE
> >Mother's Day weekend!

> *---

> It took me a month or so of nights to initially install and update
> Microsoft Flight Sim when it came out. The servers were so incredibly
> slow! Very frustrating experience.

> Thanks again Ant!

Is the game stable now? You're welcome!
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2023 22:40:05 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 05 Jun 2023 03:09:05 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>
>> >PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 04 Jun 2023 03:30:58 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>> >
>> >> >PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 06:19:08 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> >So, who is playing or will be playing it? :P
>> >> >
>> >> >> *--
>> >> >
>> >> >> When is it going to be out, and by whom?
>> >> >
>> >> >Out for the more expensive editions like Ultimate for early access
>> >> >before it opens to everyone else on the 6th. Blizzard and Activision,
>> >> >duh. Who else?
>> >
>> >> *---
>> >
>> >> Battlenet: "It has been a busy day for Battlenet. Leave the window
>> >> open and we will get to you as soon as possible".
>> >
>> >> I think I will wait for reviews!
>> >
>> >Reviews are already out. Mostly hard to get into the servers. Blizzard
>> >failed with its server slam weekend. They should had done it BEFORE
>> >Mother's Day weekend!
>
>> *---
>
>> It took me a month or so of nights to initially install and update
>> Microsoft Flight Sim when it came out. The servers were so incredibly
>> slow! Very frustrating experience.
>
>> Thanks again Ant!
>
>Is the game stable now? You're welcome!

*--

What??? After how many months and years of lengthy updating??

Are you on the MSFS team Ant??