Looks for peers as always.

Check out https://ns2.nk.ca/ for ewb stats.
Cotactme for details to peer.
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On 12/22/23 08:16, The Doctor wrote:
> Looks for peers as always.

Send me a direct email and we can set things up.

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On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 14:16:53 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>Looks for peers as always.
>Check out https://ns2.nk.ca/ for ewb stats.
>Cotactme for details to peer.
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awaiting google2news to vanish ~62 days from now, other parts
of your sig seem to be out of date, "mindspring", "antichrist"
(e.g. "nunc antichristi multi facti sunt" i ioannis 2:18) etc.
atheist is scientific reality, christian is a roman invention

On 12/22/23 16:29, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 12/22/23 08:16, The Doctor wrote:
>> Looks for peers as always.
>
> Send me a direct email and we can set things up.
>

I wouldn't peer with this guy, he's a spammy troll and seems to be the
only user on his server.
See, for example, Message-ID: <um04qr$1gfm$1@gallifrey.nk.ca> where he
calls someone a pedophile out of the blue (for thinking Israel is bad),
or 100% of his posts in the Palestine thread in
or.politics,alt.support.schizophrenia,alt.society.liberalism,edm.general,sci.math
..

In fact, I reported him to his ISP, only to be told that he *is* his
ISP. Then I suggested maybe reporting him to his peer for de-peering,
and at this exact moment he goes looking for more peers.

As I said, I would strongly advise against peering with him.

On 12/22/23 17:33, immibis wrote:
> As I said, I would strongly advise against peering with him.

That is, assuming you don't like trolls. If you want the network to
contain more trolls, I can't stop you from peering. The content coming
off his node is almost as bad as dizum.

On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 17:33:41 +0100, immibis wrote:

>
>>
>>
> I wouldn't peer with this guy, he's a spammy troll and seems to be the
> only user on his server.
> See, for example, Message-ID: <um04qr$1gfm$1@gallifrey.nk.ca> where he
> calls someone a pedophile out of the blue (for thinking Israel is bad),
> or 100% of his posts in the Palestine thread in
>
or.politics,alt.support.schizophrenia,alt.society.liberalism,edm.general,sci.math
> .
>
> In fact, I reported him to his ISP, only to be told that he *is* his
> ISP. Then I suggested maybe reporting him to his peer for de-peering,
> and at this exact moment he goes looking for more peers.
>
> As I said, I would strongly advise against peering with him.

Being a troll, which is open to indivudal interpretation, is hardly a
violation of an ISP's T&C's, spamming typically is, but don't confuse the
two, which many here seem to - when it suits them that is.

ISP's tend to go off old school thought for spamming, ie: promting
something that has monetary value, just because someone posts 50 articles
you disagree with does not make them a spammer (or even a troll)

-noel
(running ISP's since the 2400b dialup days and whos dealt with, I'd
hazard a guess at tens of thousands of abuse related complaints over that
time)

On 12/23/23 13:06, noel wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 17:33:41 +0100, immibis wrote:
>
> Being a troll, which is open to indivudal interpretation, is hardly a
> violation of an ISP's T&C's, spamming typically is, but don't confuse the
> two, which many here seem to - when it suits them that is.
>
> ISP's tend to go off old school thought for spamming, ie: promting
> something that has monetary value, just because someone posts 50 articles
> you disagree with does not make them a spammer (or even a troll)
>
> -noel
> (running ISP's since the 2400b dialup days and whos dealt with, I'd
> hazard a guess at tens of thousands of abuse related complaints over that
> time)

The Doctor's ISP's AUP is that you shouldn't deliberately aim to offend
people, which The Doctor does all the time. It doesn't matter, though,
since The Doctor is apparently his own ISP.

On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 20:40:07 +0100
immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:

> The Doctor's ISP's AUP is that you shouldn't deliberately aim to
> offend people, which The Doctor does all the time. It doesn't matter,
> though, since The Doctor is apparently his own ISP.

People are only offended if they want to me. Choose not to be offended.

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On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:33:29 -0600
Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 20:40:07 +0100
> immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
>
>
> > The Doctor's ISP's AUP is that you shouldn't deliberately aim to
> > offend people, which The Doctor does all the time. It doesn't
> > matter, though, since The Doctor is apparently his own ISP.
>
> People are only offended if they want to me. Choose not to be
> offended.

*be

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On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:33:29 -0600, Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 20:40:07 +0100
>immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
>
>> The Doctor's ISP's AUP is that you shouldn't deliberately aim to
>> offend people, which The Doctor does all the time. It doesn't matter,
>> though, since The Doctor is apparently his own ISP.
>
>People are only offended if they want to me. Choose not to be offended.

the op's prolific contributions are anything but "offensive";
gosh, the "depeer google now" campaign might be attributable
to him more than any other admin or anti-gg activists around

On 12/23/23 22:33, Nigel Reed wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 20:40:07 +0100
> immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
>
>
>> The Doctor's ISP's AUP is that you shouldn't deliberately aim to
>> offend people, which The Doctor does all the time. It doesn't matter,
>> though, since The Doctor is apparently his own ISP.
>
> People are only offended if they want to me. Choose not to be offended.
>

If you were literate, you would have noticed that I didn't say anything
about people being offended.

On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 11:43:09 +0100, immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
>On 12/23/23 22:33, Nigel Reed wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 20:40:07 +0100
>> immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Doctor's ISP's AUP is that you shouldn't deliberately aim to
>>> offend people, which The Doctor does all the time. It doesn't matter,
>>> though, since The Doctor is apparently his own ISP.
>>
>> People are only offended if they want to me. Choose not to be offended.
>
>If you were literate, you would have noticed that I didn't say anything
>about people being offended.

a bruised ego can heal up or maybe not . . . lease with option to buy

D <J@M> wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 11:43:09 +0100, immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
> >On 12/23/23 22:33, Nigel Reed wrote:
> >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 20:40:07 +0100
> >> immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The Doctor's ISP's AUP is that you shouldn't deliberately aim to
> >>> offend people, which The Doctor does all the time. It doesn't matter,
> >>> though, since The Doctor is apparently his own ISP.
> >>
> >> People are only offended if they want to me. Choose not to be offended.
> >
> >If you were literate, you would have noticed that I didn't say anything
> >about people being offended.
>
> a bruised ego can heal up or maybe not . . . lease with option to buy

Above this we see prime examples of the old adage that
offense is taken rather than given. Happy Mithras!

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In article <1qm8ypv.1nc95em1r9pr3kN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>D <J@M> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 11:43:09 +0100, immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
>> >On 12/23/23 22:33, Nigel Reed wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 20:40:07 +0100
>> >> immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> The Doctor's ISP's AUP is that you shouldn't deliberately aim to
>> >>> offend people, which The Doctor does all the time. It doesn't matter,
>> >>> though, since The Doctor is apparently his own ISP.
>> >>
>> >> People are only offended if they want to me. Choose not to be offended.
>> >
>> >If you were literate, you would have noticed that I didn't say anything
>> >about people being offended.
>>
>> a bruised ego can heal up or maybe not . . . lease with option to buy
>
>Above this we see prime examples of the old adage that
>offense is taken rather than given. Happy Mithras!
>

Cheers!

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>
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On 12/22/23 10:33, immibis wrote:
> In fact, I reported him to his ISP, only to be told that he *is* his
> ISP.

That is a risk that is taken with every new peer.

I have to trust that people will reach out to me if I'm carrying traffic
from a peer that is a problem. With that knowledge I then need to
decide what to do.

Thank you for your input.

Grant. . . .

On 12/23/23 06:06, noel wrote:
> Being a troll, which is open to indivudal interpretation, is hardly a
> violation of an ISP's T&C's, spamming typically is, but don't confuse
> the two, which many here seem to - when it suits them that is.

Agreed.

I think that a troll can engage someone in conversation / debate, even
heated forms thereof, while being completely on topic and polite.

I view that as civil discourse which is in and of itself encouraged.

I will not block someone simply for disagreeing with their content.

> ISP's tend to go off old school thought for spamming, ie: promting
> something that has monetary value, just because someone posts 50
> articles you disagree with does not make them a spammer (or even
> a troll)

Spaming and flooding are two very different things to me. Flooding is a
(significantly) disproportionate number of articles. Spam tends to be
off topic and / or trying to persuade someone to do something, often
purchase / trade something.

> (running ISP's since the 2400b dialup days and whos dealt with, I'd
> hazard a guess at tens of thousands of abuse related complaints over
> that time)

I'll buy the next round of coffee noel.

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On 12/24/23 08:28, Sn!pe wrote:
> Above this we see prime examples of the old adage that
> offense is taken rather than given. Happy Mithras!

LOL

Sometimes something is given with the intention of it being taken
offensively.

Grant. . . .

Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>On 12/23/23 06:06, noel wrote:

>>Being a troll, which is open to indivudal interpretation, is hardly a
>>violation of an ISP's T&C's, spamming typically is, but don't confuse
>>the two, which many here seem to - when it suits them that is.

>Agreed.

>I think that a troll can engage someone in conversation / debate, even
>heated forms thereof, while being completely on topic and polite.

Where is the trolling taking place, then? A troll's purpose is to
distract from on topic discussion. In your hypothetical, it's on topic.

>. . .

On 12/24/23 19:54, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 12/24/23 08:28, Sn!pe wrote:
>> Above this we see prime examples of the old adage that
>> offense is taken rather than given.    Happy Mithras!
>
> LOL
>
> Sometimes something is given with the intention of it being taken
> offensively.
>
>
>
> Grant. . . .

Sn!pe is another user who frequently intends to offend.

There's an adage in "micro-politics" that every organization which is
not explicitly left-wing tends to become right-wing over time, as Nazis
are much more likely to co-opt power structures than normal people are
to remove Nazis from them. Something similar applies to trolls in
unmoderated spaces...

On 12/24/23 19:52, Grant Taylor wrote:
> I think that a troll can engage someone in conversation / debate, even
> heated forms thereof, while being completely on topic and polite.
>

How do you classify a person whose engagement very rarely goes beyond
"You are a pedophile!" or "You are a terrorist!" or "Go % !!" ?

> I view that as civil discourse which is in and of itself encouraged.
>
> I will not block someone simply for disagreeing with their content.

immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:

> On 12/24/23 19:54, Grant Taylor wrote:
> > On 12/24/23 08:28, Sn!pe wrote:
> >> Above this we see prime examples of the old adage that
> >> offense is taken rather than given. Happy Mithras!
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > Sometimes something is given with the intention of it being taken
> > offensively.
> >
> >
> >
> > Grant. . . .
>
> Sn!pe is another user who frequently intends to offend.
>
> There's an adage in "micro-politics" that every organization which is
> not explicitly left-wing tends to become right-wing over time, as Nazis
> are much more likely to co-opt power structures than normal people are
> to remove Nazis from them. Something similar applies to trolls in
> unmoderated spaces...
>

You seem strangely familiar, immibis. Do I know you under a different
name, perhaps in a different place? Whatever, Happy Mithras to you. :)

P. S. Godwin alert ! [eot; xpost & fu2: bit-bucket]

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immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
>On 12/24/23 19:54, Grant Taylor wrote:
>>On 12/24/23 08:28, Sn!pe wrote:

>>>Above this we see prime examples of the old adage that
>>>offense is taken rather than given. Happy Mithras!

>>LOL

>>Sometimes something is given with the intention of it being taken
>>offensively.

>Sn!pe is another user who frequently intends to offend.

You acidic tears burnt through this sockpuppet in record time, seamus.

>. . .

On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 11:43:09 +0100
immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:

> On 12/23/23 22:33, Nigel Reed wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 20:40:07 +0100
> > immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> The Doctor's ISP's AUP is that you shouldn't deliberately aim to
> >> offend people, which The Doctor does all the time. It doesn't
> >> matter, though, since The Doctor is apparently his own ISP.
> >
> > People are only offended if they want to me. Choose not to be
> > offended.
>
> If you were literate, you would have noticed that I didn't say
> anything about people being offended.
>

What a nugget.

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Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:
>Sun, 24 Dec 2023 11:43:09 +0100 immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
>>On 12/23/23 22:33, Nigel Reed wrote:
>>>Sat, 23 Dec 2023 20:40:07 +0100 immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:

>>>>The Doctor's ISP's AUP is that you shouldn't deliberately aim to
>>>>offend people, which The Doctor does all the time. It doesn't
>>>>matter, though, since The Doctor is apparently his own ISP.

>>>People are only offended if they want to me. Choose not to be
>>>offended.
>>If you were literate, you would have noticed that I didn't say
>>anything about people being offended.

>What a nugget.

seamus rains sunshine upon Usenet.

In article <20231224204555.2352ef3b@wibble.sysadmininc.com>,
Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 11:43:09 +0100
>immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/23/23 22:33, Nigel Reed wrote:
>> > On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 20:40:07 +0100
>> > immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> The Doctor's ISP's AUP is that you shouldn't deliberately aim to
>> >> offend people, which The Doctor does all the time. It doesn't
>> >> matter, though, since The Doctor is apparently his own ISP.
>> >
>> > People are only offended if they want to me. Choose not to be
>> > offended.
>>
>> If you were literate, you would have noticed that I didn't say
>> anything about people being offended.
>>
>
>What a nugget.
>

Indeed!

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>
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