Up to 16 and 50. Thanks for the e-Mails!

16 iOS Features that Many Android Users Want that Only iPhone Users Get
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Integrated ecosystem
2. Apple Watch
3. OS Updates
4. Battery replacement
5. Malware apps
6. Facetime
7. iMessage
8. Microphone and camera indicator
9. No bloatware
10. Easier backup and restore
11. Privacy
12. Support and Help from Apple Stores
13. Ease of Use
14. Faster processors
15. AirDrop
16. Family Sharing

50 Android Features that Many iPhone Users Want that Only (some) Android
Users Get
------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. MST and Samsung Pay
2. Active styluses
3. Headphone jacks
4. MicroSD Card Slots
5. Apps
6. App stores
7. Fingerprint sensors
8. Reverse wireless charging
9. Google Assistant
10. USB-C
11. USB 3.0
12. Separate audio volume controls for different functions (Available on
Jailbroken iPhones)
13. Security
14. Split screen
15. Content transfer to a PC (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
16. Choice of app launchers (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
17. FM radio
18. Better cameras
19. Better displays
20. Better hardware
21. Ability to set a default music app (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
22. Faster charging
23. Foldables
24. LTPO (Low-Temperature Polycrystalline Oxide) displays
25. Faster data speeds on both 4G and 5G
26. ANT+
27. Contact groups (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
28. GPS location spoofing (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
29, Better ad blocking (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
30. USB OTG
31. iTunes not required for wired hotspot
32. Mouse and keyboard support (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
33. Hole Punch cameras instead of a large notch
34. Removable Batteries
35. Parental Control Apps
36. Wide Selection of Devices
37. Biometric Authentication
38. File System (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
39. Rooting is Easy, when Necessary
40. SMS Forwarding (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
41. Browser Extensions
42. eBook Readers
43. NMEA Data
44. Bluetooth Serial Port Profile (SPP)
44. Always on Display
45. Multiple Users
46. Ability to close all open apps at once
47. Ability to set default apps
49. Customization
50. “It Just Works”

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16 iOS Features Some of Which that [many] Android Users Wish they Had
50 Android Features Some of Which that [many] iOS Users Wish they Had

<https://tinyurl.com/fzje7h9e> or
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE>
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In article <sa8n2v$eta$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> 40. SMS Forwarding (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)

as well as non-jailbroken phones.

> 41. Browser Extensions

exists on ios, and done securely.

> 42. eBook Readers

you must be joking.

ios *includes* an ebook reader (and a very good one at that), with
shitloads more available for download.

> 43. NMEA Data

true, but the people who actually need nmea won't be using a gps in a
phone.

> 44. Bluetooth Serial Port Profile (SPP)

obsolete. bluetooth le has long replaced it and other obsolete
profiles. not only is it faster and more reliable, but it's a *lot*
easier to write apps.

> 44. Always on Display

wastes battery.

instead, the iphone display comes on when the phone is picked up or the
user's face comes into view.

> 45. Multiple Users

not needed on a phone.

> 46. Ability to close all open apps at once

there is no need to close open apps, either individually or all of
them. the system manages that and does a *much* better job.

the only exception is if an app crashed, which would be just the one
app that crashed, not all of them.

> 47. Ability to set default apps

exists on ios.

> 49. Customization

exists on ios.

now go add the 50+ things ios can do that android can't to your 'list'.

nospam wrote on 15.06.2021 01:19
>> 47. Ability to set default apps
> exists on ios.

*Why does nospam always _fabricate_ iOS functionality that doesn't exist?*
Sure you can now change email & web default apps but what about the rest?

On Android, I can set any number of apps to a default right in the settings.
By way of defaults, iOS devices are braindead - you can't do any of that.

On Android...
I can set the default mock GPS location app in the settings.
I can set the default call redirecting app in the settings.
I can set the default homescreen app in the settings.
I can set the default phone dialer in the settings.
I can set the default SMS/MMS messaging app in the settings.
I can set the default action for long pressing the home button.
I can set the default action for the hardware power button.
etc.

You can't do _any_ of that in iOS.
Why does nospam always brazenly fabricate imaginary iOS functionality?

*I suspect he _hates_ that iOS can't do all these things Android does.*

>> 49. Customization
>
> exists on ios.

*Why does nospam brazenly claim iOS functionality that simply isn't there?*

I can customize my homescreen with any grid I like (or no grid at all),
change any app name or icons I like, make shortcuts to any settings deep
within apps or Android that I like, I can add the best ports to apps like
the GCAm and Google Recorder offline translators. I can save the settings
and port to any Android phone I like. I can choose any app drawer I like. I
can change the background, foreground, fonts, themes, shadows, top bar,
bottom bar, etc.

I can remove the dock (something which is impossible on iOS) and if I like I
can put as many folders or icons in the dock that I want. I can change the
name of _anything_ if I like (even system apps) and its icon at any time.

I can change the search bar style and the gestures, scroll accents, folder
animations, transition animations, icon layout, window styles, scroll speed,
app animation, popup menus, hardware button configuration, drop targets,
undo bars. There are tons of notification settings, etc.
> now go add the 50+ things ios can do that android can't to your 'list'.

You just got your head handed to you by claiming XCode runs on the iPad.
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/JtIOHlyXMR4/m/OKXIYVYOBAAJ

Here we go again where you brazenly fabricate nonexisting iOS functionality.

Name one useful app functionality you feel is on iOS and not already on
Android.

*Name just one*
--
The Apologists brazenly lie about imaginary iOS functionality existing.

In article <sa8q3i$riq$1@gioia.aioe.org>, paul <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>
> You just got your head handed to you by claiming XCode runs on the iPad.

i never claimed xcode runs on the ipad.

nospam wrote on 15.06.2021 01:58
>> You just got your head handed to you by claiming XCode runs on the iPad.
>
> i never claimed xcode runs on the ipad.

You brazenly claimed so but I don't care as lies are expected from you.
(*All the apologists _hate_ that iOS pales in functionality to Android*.)

I'm 100% factual; I'm _not_ afraid of facts so all I ask of any of you is...
*Name one iOS app functionality that you feel is _not_ already on Android*

/Name just one/.
--
Since you apologists play silly games, it can't require a second computer,
nor the Internet for it to do its main job - nor jailbreaking - nor writing
your own code - it has to be something that an app from the repository that
I can download and test which provides that functionality you incessantly
claim isn't already on Android. (You've never come up with this
functionality, as all you do is claim brand names or specific games, none of
which are what we're talking about when we say iOS is brain dead compared to
Android in terms of app functionality).

I doubt you'll find even one and there are very good sensible reasons why.
Apple restricts what Apps can do. And Apple restricts what the HW can do.
Far more so than Google does.

On 2021-06-14 6:40 p.m., paul wrote:
> nospam wrote on 15.06.2021 01:58
>>> You just got your head handed to you by claiming XCode runs on the iPad.
>>
>> i never claimed xcode runs on the ipad.
>
> You brazenly claimed so but I don't care as lies are expected from you.
> (*All the apologists _hate_ that iOS pales in functionality to Android*.)

He never claimed xcode runs on the iPad.

>
> I'm 100% factual

You...

....are a liar.

In message <sa8n2v$eta$1@dont-email.me> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> 1. MST and Samsung Pay

Bullshit, The ONLY people who want this are idiotic Samsung trolls. I
would immediately reject any device with this terrible trivially
hackable insecure credit card hack.

> 2. Active styluses

No.

> 3. Headphone jacks

Mo one cares.

> 4. MicroSD Card Slots

No.

> 5. Apps

Hahahahahahhahahahahaha. Far mor apps on iOS.

> 6. App stores

No, iOS has the best app store already.

> 7. Fingerprint sensors

No one but you.

> 8. Reverse wireless charging

Nope. An idiot 'feature'

> 9. Google Assistant

Perhaps.

> 10. USB-C

Don't think anyone cares much.

> 11. USB 3.0

No one cares as no one but a few fools connects their phones via USB.

> 12. Separate audio volume controls for different functions

Has been in iOS for years and years.

> 13. Security

Hahahahahahha. Android has no security at all, iPhone has the best
security in a consumer device from any one anywhere.

> 14. Split screen

You are insane.

> 15. Content transfer to a PC

What fuckwittery are you making up? You can transfer content to your PC.

> 16. Choice of app launchers (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)

No one cares.

> 17. FM radio

NO ONE cares. What a stupid thing to claim anyone wants. FM radio is
dead dead dead. Just check the adrates, no one is listening to FM radio.

> 18. Better cameras

Idiot.

> 19. Better displays

Nope, the display is fantastic.

> 20. Better hardware

Idiot, th hardware is exellent. Much better than any android I've seen.

> 21. Ability to set a default music app (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)

Available on iOS without jailbreaking, you witless fool.

> 22. Faster charging

No, the charging is very fast and preserves the battery much better than
the battery destroying fast charging many android phones do.

> 23. Foldables

No.

> 24. LTPO (Low-Temperature Polycrystalline Oxide) displays

No one cares at all.

> 25. Faster data speeds on both 4G and 5G

You are an idiot. the speed is faster than most people's home Internet.

> 26. ANT+

Nope. UWB and BT are much better and ANT will be forgot.

> 27. Contact groups

hard to believe you have ever used an iOS device.

> 28. GPS location spoofing

You are an idiot AND a liar.

> 29, Better ad blocking (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)

Hahahahahahahaha. Wow, you are so astonishingly stupid and clueless and
ignorant.

> 30. USB OTG

No. No one NO ONE gives a fuck and anyone who know about USB OTG (pretty
much no one) sees it as a massive security issue that no device anywhere
should ever support.

Rest of equally insipid or idiotic or just lies removed, as I;m tired.
But this is the sort of worthless shit you love to post and repost and
show yourself for the utter clueless fool you are.

--
This above all, to thine own self be true And it must follow, as the
night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man.

In message <sa90ep$r5u$1@gioia.aioe.org> paul <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> nospam wrote on 15.06.2021 01:58
>>> You just got your head handed to you by claiming XCode runs on the iPad.
>>
>> i never claimed xcode runs on the ipad.

> You brazenly claimed so but I don't care as lies are expected from you.
> (*All the apologists _hate_ that iOS pales in functionality to Android*.)

You are full of shit and a liar, Arleen.

--
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.

In article <slrnscg556.2jof.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

> > 13. Security
>
> Hahahahahahha. Android has no security at all, iPhone has the best
> security in a consumer device from any one anywhere.

android has quite a bit of security.

it's just not very effective.

for example, those in-screen fingerprint sensors he babbles about can
be spoofed very easily with adhesive tape or reflective foil (depending
on the type of sensor).

but nothing comes anywhere close to htc, which stored unencrypted
images of scanned fingerprints in a world readable directory. how that
even ended up in a shipping product is mind-boggling.

<https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/211985-htc-caught-storing-fingerprin
t-data-in-unencrypted-plain-text>
...According to FireEye, multiple Android manufacturers protect
your fingerprint so poorly, it can be read by plugging the phone
into a computer and knowing which folder to access.
....
One example is the HTC One Max ‹ the fingerprint is saved as
/data/dbgraw.bmp with 0666 world permission (world readable).
Any unprivileged processes or apps can steal the user¹s fingerprints
by reading this file. Other vendors store fingerprints in TrustZone
or Secure Enclave, but there are still known vulnerabilities for
attackers to leverageŠ To make the situation even worse, each time
the [HTC] fingerprint sensor is used for auth operation, the auth
framework will refresh that fingerprint bitmap to reflect the latest
wiped finger. So the attacker can sit in the background and collect
the fingerprint image of every swipe of the victim.

> > 15. Content transfer to a PC
>
> What fuckwittery are you making up? You can transfer content to your PC.

note that in his list of ios 'features', he cites ios as having easy
backups, which is true, it does.

unfortunately, easy backups is a direct contradiction of the above
claim, since a backup by definition is transferring the contents to a
mac/pc or the cloud (the user can choose either or both).

put simply, ios does this, and does so *easier* than android, by his
own admission.

>
> > 26. ANT+
>
> Nope. UWB and BT are much better and ANT will be forgot.

matter and thread are the standards going forward.

ant is dead. android supporting ant means they chose the wrong
standard.

it's a bit like blu-ray and hd-dvd. some people got it wrong.

> > 27. Contact groups
>
> hard to believe you have ever used an iOS device.

no shit. this has been there since *before* there were even iphones.

> Rest of equally insipid or idiotic or just lies removed, as I;m tired.
> But this is the sort of worthless shit you love to post and repost and
> show yourself for the utter clueless fool you are.

you missed some of the better ones:

> 42. eBook Readers
> 45. Multiple Users
> 46. Ability to close all open apps at once

ios *ships* with an ebook reader (which is quite good), with many third
party apps available for those who want something else, nobody wants
nor needs multiple users on a phone, and quitting all apps at once (or
even one by one) is not only dumb, but it's also completely pointless
and counterproductive.

Lewis wrote on 15.06.2021 02:47
>> 5. Apps
>
> Hahahahahahhahahahahaha. Far mor apps on iOS.

My job here is simply to point out that the apologists are full of shit.

The adults on this newsgroup will note that Lewis always proves my point
*The apologists just make everything up because they _hate_ what iOS is.*

Lewis always drops us down to his kindergarten cesspool level in every post.
And then he claims there are "far more apps" on iOS than on Android?

I'm sure the apologists _believe_ the crazy fabrications they spew.
But, for the adults, let's bring facts up to the _adult_ level shall we?

Facts.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=which+has+more+apps+ios+or+android

First hit:
https://www.mobileapps.com/blog/android-vs-ios-market-share
"*Google's Play Store has more apps (2.56 million)*
*than Apple's App Store (1.85 million)*."

Google Play alone has about 38% more apps than does Apple's App Store.
Put another way, the number of iOS apps is only 72% that of Google Play.

And that's just _one_ repository for the Android apps (of many)!
--
The problem with Apple newsgroups is apologists _hate_ what iOS is.

On 15/06/2021 00:00, sms wrote:
> Up to 16 and 50. Thanks for the e-Mails!

Why are you intentionally trolling? Both those lists have massive
errors. I'll just highlight a few.

> 16 iOS Features that Many Android Users Want that Only iPhone Users Get
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1. Integrated ecosystem
> 2. Apple Watch
> 3. OS Updates

I mean it's not great on Android, but you do get updates

> 4. Battery replacement
> 5. Malware apps
> 6. Facetime

Soon will be available on Android

> 7. iMessage
> 8. Microphone and camera indicator
> 9. No bloatware
> 10. Easier backup and restore
> 11. Privacy
> 12. Support and Help from Apple Stores
> 13. Ease of Use
> 14. Faster processors
> 15. AirDrop
> 16. Family Sharing
>
> 50 Android Features that Many iPhone Users Want that Only (some) Android
> Users Get
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1. MST and Samsung Pay

Why? Apple Pay is simply better.

> 2. Active styluses
> 3. Headphone jacks
> 4. MicroSD Card Slots
> 5. Apps

Er, what?!

> 6. App stores
> 7. Fingerprint sensors
> 8. Reverse wireless charging
> 9. Google Assistant

OK google is already available on iOS.

> 10. USB-C
> 11. USB 3.0
> 12. Separate audio volume controls for different functions (Available on
> Jailbroken iPhones)
> 13. Security

Sorry, but no. No iphone user wants Android's 'security', thanks.

> 14. Split screen
> 15. Content transfer to a PC (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
> 16. Choice of app launchers (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
> 17. FM radio
> 18. Better cameras
> 19. Better displays
> 20. Better hardware

18-20 are meaningless as everyone wants 'better X'.

> 21. Ability to set a default music app (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
> 22. Faster charging
> 23. Foldables
> 24. LTPO (Low-Temperature Polycrystalline Oxide) displays
> 25. Faster data speeds on both 4G and 5G
> 26. ANT+
> 27. Contact groups (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)

Yep

> 28. GPS location spoofing (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
> 29, Better ad blocking (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
> 30. USB OTG
> 31. iTunes not required for wired hotspot

It isn't required already.

> 32. Mouse and keyboard support (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
> 33. Hole Punch cameras instead of a large notch
> 34. Removable Batteries
> 35. Parental Control Apps

Nope. Apps can be circumvented easily. Better to have it integrated in
the OS, like with iOS.

> 36. Wide Selection of Devices
> 37. Biometric Authentication

Er, what do you think fingerprints and faces are?

> 38. File System (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
> 39. Rooting is Easy, when Necessary
> 40. SMS Forwarding (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
> 41. Browser Extensions
> 42. eBook Readers
> 43. NMEA Data
> 44. Bluetooth Serial Port Profile (SPP)
> 44. Always on Display
> 45. Multiple Users
> 46. Ability to close all open apps at once
> 47. Ability to set default apps
> 49. Customization
> 50. “It Just Works”

That's Apple's slogan so not sure why you've ascribed it to Android.

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 16 iOS Features Some of Which that [many] Android Users Wish they Had
> 50 Android Features Some of Which that [many] iOS Users Wish they Had
>
> <https://tinyurl.com/fzje7h9e> or
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

On 6/15/2021 4:07 AM, Chris wrote:
> On 15/06/2021 00:00, sms wrote:
>> Up to 16 and 50. Thanks for the e-Mails!
>
> Why are you intentionally trolling? Both those lists have massive
> errors. I'll just highlight a few.
>
>> 16 iOS Features that Many Android Users Want that Only iPhone Users Get
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

<snip>

>> 3. OS Updates
>
> I mean it's not great on Android, but you do get updates

Correct, I changed that to "Longer OS Updates."

<snip>

>> 6. Facetime
>
> Soon will be available on Android

I modified the document to indicate which iOS only features are
predicted to be available in the future on Android, and which
Android-only features are predicted to be available in the future on iOS.

<snip>

>> 50 Android Features that Many iPhone Users Want that Only (some)
>> Android Users Get
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 1. MST and Samsung Pay
>
> Why? Apple Pay is simply better.

LOL, no, with Samsung Pay you can pay at merchants that don't accept NFC
payments. I probably do this a couple of times a week. U.S. Post office
near me, Kaiser pharmacy, HD Supply, my local pool supply store, a ski
area at Lake Tahoe earlier this year, etc.

<snip>

>> 5. Apps
>
> Er, what?!

Massive numbers of Android-only apps.

<snip>

>> 9. Google Assistant
>
> OK google is already available on iOS.

Ah, you are correct, I didn't realize that. Fixed that.

<snip>

>> 13. Security
>
> Sorry, but no. No iphone user wants Android's 'security', thanks.

Perhaps, but security experts agree that Android flagships are harder to
hack than iPhones. Android users do have the ability to make their
phones less secure by installing apps from “Unknown Sources” and by
rooting, but that's not something you can do without expressly ignoring
the security risks. I added this statement.

<snip>

>> 18. Better cameras
>> 19. Better displays
>> 20. Better hardware
>
> 18-20 are meaningless as everyone wants 'better X'.

Not meaningless at all. Cameras and displays are a big issue for many.
"Better hardware" is a bit general, but because Apple doesn't make their
own modems yet, they'll be at a disadvantage for a couple of more years,
by being dependent on Qualcomm.

<snip>

>> 31. iTunes not required for wired hotspot
>
> It isn't required already.

I already explained and referenced the workaround.

<snip>

>> 35. Parental Control Apps
>
> Nope. Apps can be circumvented easily. Better to have it integrated in
> the OS, like with iOS.

Perhaps, but the apps provide more control, even if it's technically
true that those controls would be better if included in the OS.

<snip>

>> 37. Biometric Authentication
>
> Er, what do you think fingerprints and faces are?

I change it to "Better Biometric Authentication." Apple is expected to
come out with 3D fingerprint sensors in a future iPhone.

<snip>

>> 50. “It Just Works”
>
> That's Apple's slogan so not sure why you've ascribed it to Android.

Didn't realize that, but yes, you're correct (at least they used that
for computers in the past). Removed it.

In article <saa56d$tcp$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> >> 6. Facetime
> >
> > Soon will be available on Android
>
> I modified the document to indicate which iOS only features are
> predicted to be available in the future on Android, and which
> Android-only features are predicted to be available in the future on iOS.

it's not a prediction.

it's an officially announced feature.

> >> 1. MST and Samsung Pay
> >
> > Why? Apple Pay is simply better.
>
> LOL, no, with Samsung Pay you can pay at merchants that don't accept NFC
> payments. I probably do this a couple of times a week. U.S. Post office
> near me, Kaiser pharmacy, HD Supply, my local pool supply store, a ski
> area at Lake Tahoe earlier this year, etc.

samsung pay has very little engagement and is not an android feature.
it's a samsung feature.

those who buy other android phones (htc, lg, pixel, etc.) cannot use it.

> >> 5. Apps
> >
> > Er, what?!
>
> Massive numbers of Android-only apps.

massive number of ios-only apps, and ios usually is first for new apps,
with android to follow, since it's *much* easier to write ios apps.

> >> 9. Google Assistant
> >
> > OK google is already available on iOS.
>
> Ah, you are correct, I didn't realize that. Fixed that.

google assistant has been available on ios just 3 months after its
introduction on android, back in 2017, a completely meaningless time
difference.

>
> >> 13. Security
> >
> > Sorry, but no. No iphone user wants Android's 'security', thanks.
>
> Perhaps, but security experts agree that Android flagships are harder to
> hack than iPhones.

oh yea, those mythical 'security experts'.

the reality is that it's very easy to bypass android security, such as
using adhesive tape or reflective foil to spoof in-screen fingerprint
sensor.

> Android users do have the ability to make their
> phones less secure by installing apps from ³Unknown Sources² and by
> rooting, but that's not something you can do without expressly ignoring
> the security risks. I added this statement.

another statement that is false and misleading.

> >> 18. Better cameras
> >> 19. Better displays
> >> 20. Better hardware
> >
> > 18-20 are meaningless as everyone wants 'better X'.
>
> Not meaningless at all. Cameras and displays are a big issue for many.
> "Better hardware" is a bit general, but because Apple doesn't make their
> own modems yet, they'll be at a disadvantage for a couple of more years,
> by being dependent on Qualcomm.

only a couple of android phones use an integrated modem, which doesn't
actually matter anyway.

> >> 31. iTunes not required for wired hotspot
> >
> > It isn't required already.
>
> I already explained and referenced the workaround.

your explanation is incorrect.

itunes is not required. it is definitely the easiest way, but it is not
the only way.

> >> 35. Parental Control Apps
> >
> > Nope. Apps can be circumvented easily. Better to have it integrated in
> > the OS, like with iOS.
>
> Perhaps, but the apps provide more control, even if it's technically
> true that those controls would be better if included in the OS.

you're waffling.

> >> 37. Biometric Authentication
> >
> > Er, what do you think fingerprints and faces are?
>
> I change it to "Better Biometric Authentication." Apple is expected to
> come out with 3D fingerprint sensors in a future iPhone.

maybe, but what apple has now is *much* more secure than the '3d
fingerprint sensors' in android phones, which can be spoofed with
adhesive tape or reflective foil.

the google pixel 4 had face unlock as good as apple's face id, but it's
been discontinued.

On 15/06/2021 13:07, sms wrote:
> On 6/15/2021 4:07 AM, Chris wrote:
>> On 15/06/2021 00:00, sms wrote:
>>> Up to 16 and 50. Thanks for the e-Mails!
>>
>> Why are you intentionally trolling? Both those lists have massive
>> errors. I'll just highlight a few.
>>
>>> 16 iOS Features that Many Android Users Want that Only iPhone Users Get
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> <snip>
>
>>> 3. OS Updates
>>
>> I mean it's not great on Android, but you do get updates
>
> Correct, I changed that to "Longer OS Updates."
>
> <snip>
>
>>> 6. Facetime
>>
>> Soon will be available on Android
>
> I modified the document to indicate which iOS only features are
> predicted to be available in the future on Android, and which
> Android-only features are predicted to be available in the future on iOS.
>
> <snip>
>
>>> 50 Android Features that Many iPhone Users Want that Only (some)
>>> Android Users Get
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 1. MST and Samsung Pay
>>
>> Why? Apple Pay is simply better.
>
> LOL, no, with Samsung Pay you can pay at merchants that don't accept NFC
> payments. I probably do this a couple of times a week. U.S. Post office
> near me, Kaiser pharmacy, HD Supply, my local pool supply store, a ski
> area at Lake Tahoe earlier this year, etc.

This a US-only problem. The banking system is such a mess that these
daft workarounds exist. Here anywhere that takes contactless takes Apple
Pay (as well as Google/Samsung pay I'd guess). The number of places that
take contactless

>
>>> 5. Apps
>>
>> Er, what?!
>
> Massive numbers of Android-only apps.

So what? There's a huge amount of dross.

> <snip>
>
>>> 9. Google Assistant
>>
>> OK google is already available on iOS.
>
> Ah, you are correct, I didn't realize that. Fixed that.
>
> <snip>
>
>>> 13. Security
>>
>> Sorry, but no. No iphone user wants Android's 'security', thanks.
>
> Perhaps, but security experts agree that Android flagships are harder to
> hack than iPhones. Android users do have the ability to make their
> phones less secure by installing apps from “Unknown Sources” and by
> rooting, but that's not something you can do without expressly ignoring
> the security risks. I added this statement.

There are also far, far more unpatched android phones whereas, given the
longer support window, iPhones are almost all fully patched.

> <snip>
>
>>> 18. Better cameras
>>> 19. Better displays
>>> 20. Better hardware
>>
>> 18-20 are meaningless as everyone wants 'better X'.
>
> Not meaningless at all. Cameras and displays are a big issue for many.
> "Better hardware" is a bit general, but because Apple doesn't make their
> own modems yet, they'll be at a disadvantage for a couple of more years,
> by being dependent on Qualcomm.

Does android make it's own modems?

>
>>> 31. iTunes not required for wired hotspot
>>
>> It isn't required already.
>
> I already explained and referenced the workaround.
>
> <snip>
>
>>> 35. Parental Control Apps
>>
>> Nope. Apps can be circumvented easily. Better to have it integrated in
>> the OS, like with iOS.
>
> Perhaps, but the apps provide more control, even if it's technically
> true that those controls would be better if included in the OS.

Your statement is still incorrect. Many iphone users do not want
parental control apps.

> <snip>
>
>>> 37. Biometric Authentication
>>
>> Er, what do you think fingerprints and faces are?
>
> I change it to "Better Biometric Authentication." Apple is expected to
> come out with 3D fingerprint sensors in a future iPhone.

Still doesn't make sense. Android doesn't have "better biometric
authentication".

>
>>> 50. “It Just Works”
>>
>> That's Apple's slogan so not sure why you've ascribed it to Android.
>
> Didn't realize that, but yes, you're correct (at least they used that
> for computers in the past). Removed it.

Plus there's all the other errors.

In article <saa74k$c7d$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >>> 13. Security
> >>
> >> Sorry, but no. No iphone user wants Android's 'security', thanks.
> >
> > Perhaps, but security experts agree that Android flagships are harder to
> > hack than iPhones. Android users do have the ability to make their
> > phones less secure by installing apps from ³Unknown Sources² and by
> > rooting, but that's not something you can do without expressly ignoring
> > the security risks. I added this statement.
>
> There are also far, far more unpatched android phones whereas, given the
> longer support window, iPhones are almost all fully patched.

also true.

yesterday, apple released a security update for iphones going back
*eight* years. another security update was released a few months ago.

most android phones stop getting updates after about 2-3 years. samsung
announced 4 years of updates (and only on select models), but that's
still just half of apple's support.

> >>> 50. ³It Just Works²
> >>
> >> That's Apple's slogan so not sure why you've ascribed it to Android.
> >
> > Didn't realize that, but yes, you're correct (at least they used that
> > for computers in the past). Removed it.
>
> Plus there's all the other errors.

quite a few, with massive omissions on the ios side.

In message <140620212334050988%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnscg556.2jof.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>> > 13. Security
>>
>> Hahahahahahha. Android has no security at all, iPhone has the best
>> security in a consumer device from any one anywhere.

> android has quite a bit of security.

> it's just not very effective.

SO, not really security then? More like "security" or illusory feelings
of security suitable for fools.

>> > 26. ANT+
>>
>> Nope. UWB and BT are much better and ANT will be forgot.

> matter and thread are the standards going forward.

Probably, yes.

>> > 27. Contact groups
>>
>> hard to believe you have ever used an iOS device.

> no shit. this has been there since *before* there were even iphones.

Yep.

>> Rest of equally insipid or idiotic or just lies removed, as I;m tired.
>> But this is the sort of worthless shit you love to post and repost and
>> show yourself for the utter clueless fool you are.

> you missed some of the better ones:

My eyes glazed over.

>> 42. eBook Readers

Bwahahahahahaahah, How many hundreds are there on iOS? Fuck, I have
three permanently installed (Books, Libby, Chunky Reader). What a
fucking moron.

>> 45. Multiple Users

On a phone? Oh hell no. HARD PASS.

>> 46. Ability to close all open apps at once

That does sound like the ignorant stupidity sms is famed for.

> ios *ships* with an ebook reader (which is quite good), with many third
> party apps available for those who want something else, nobody wants
> nor needs multiple users on a phone, and quitting all apps at once (or
> even one by one) is not only dumb, but it's also completely pointless
> and counterproductive.

I liked that brief period when Apple actually made it harder to force
quit the apps, but I guess enough mouth-breathing slack-jacked morons
whined.

--
Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum, cogito

On 6/15/2021 5:40 AM, Chris wrote:

<snip>

> This a US-only problem. The banking system is such a mess that these
> daft workarounds exist. Here anywhere that takes contactless takes Apple
> Pay (as well as Google/Samsung pay I'd guess). The number of places that
> take contactless

Well not just the U.S., India as well. But you're right, this really
should not be an advantage of Samsung Pay, but it is for now, and I
already point out that it is only an issue in the U.S. and a few other
countries. Also, Samsung removed MST from the S21 though it kept it in
some new mid-range phones.

I thought that MST was a great marketing tool because at merchants that
didn't take Apple Pay or Google Pay the cashier, upon seeing someone
trying to pay with their phone, would say "We only take Samsung Pay."

<snip>

> There are also far, far more unpatched android phones whereas, given the
> longer support window, iPhones are almost all fully patched.

That is true.

<snip>

> Does android make it's own modems?

No, but the new flagship Android phones use Qualcomm chipsets with the
latest, integrated, 5G modems.

<snip>

>> Perhaps, but the apps provide more control, even if it's technically
>> true that those controls would be better if included in the OS.
>
> Your statement is still incorrect. Many iphone users do not want
> parental control apps.

And many would like to have them. What's your point?

<snip>

> Still doesn't make sense. Android doesn't have "better biometric
> authentication".

3D fingerprint sensors are much more secure than either FaceID or the
current generation of TouchID.

If you find anything else that needs correction then let me know.

In message <saa56d$tcp$1@dont-email.me> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> LOL, no, with Samsung Pay you can pay at merchants that don't accept NFC
> payments. I probably do this a couple of times a week. U.S. Post office
> near me, Kaiser pharmacy,

And the lies march on. The US Post Office takes Apple Pay, as does the
Kaiser pharmacy, you vacuous shitbag lying troll.

> Massive numbers of Android-only apps.

And massive numbers of iOS only apps.

>>> 13. Security
>>
>> Sorry, but no. No iphone user wants Android's 'security', thanks.

> Perhaps, but security experts agree that Android flagships are harder to

Such bullshit.

>>> 50. “It Just Works”
>>
>> That's Apple's slogan so not sure why you've ascribed it to Android.

> Didn't realize that,

Well, you have had your head shoved up your ass for the last few
decades, so I guess you not knowing this is plausible, but I still think
you're lying.

--
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"Whuh... I think so, Brain. But this time I get to play the
dishwasher repairman!"

Lewis wrote on 15.06.2021 14:20
> And the lies march on. The US Post Office takes Apple Pay, as does the
> Kaiser pharmacy, you vacuous shitbag lying troll.

Why is it that _every_ post from these apologists like Lewis is an attempt
to bring this newsgroup down to their level of kindergarten cesspool logic?

Lewis wrote on 15.06.2021 14:13
> Bwahahahahahaahah, How many hundreds are there on iOS? Fuck, I have
> three permanently installed (Books, Libby, Chunky Reader).
> What a fucking moron.

Why is it that these apologists like Lewis always try to bring this
newsgroup down to their kindergarten cesspool level with every post?

nospam wrote on 15.06.2021 14:47
> yesterday, apple released a security update for iphones going back
> *eight* years. another security update was released a few months ago.

The apologists only know what Tim Cook's Apple web site fed them to believe.

*Google Play updates most of Android fully independent of carriers & OEMs.*
*_Forever_*
https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/02/19/android-11-project-mainline/

Even Qualcomm drivers are now being independently updated over Google Play.
https://www.s7fanclub.com/update-qualcomm-gpu-drivers-google-play-store.html
--
Forever, in this sense, means there is no EOL specified, especially as the
src code of these components, by design, is provided to the AOSP community.

Chris wrote on 15.06.2021 14:40
>> Massive numbers of Android-only apps.
>
> So what? There's a huge amount of dross.

It's always trivially easy to prove Apple apologists are shockingly wrong.
*The list of app functionalities _on Android but not on iOS_ is huge.*

People like Chris actually _believe_ what they write - and yet - it's
utterly trivial to prove them wrong (as it was with Lewis & nospam).

Given Chris is an Apple apologists, he will _never_ understand that there is
functionality provided by those Android apps that are _impossible_ to obtain
on the Apple App Store.

We covered them in detail, so Chris, like all apologists, is just stupid.

Since I only speak facts, where are, for example, the automatic call
recording apps on iOS (they don't exist).

Where are the launchers for iOS (they don't exist).

Where are the GPS spoofers for iOS (despite the apologists claims to the
contrary, they don't exist).

Where are the wifi graphing apps for iOS (they don't exist).

Where are the YouTube ad-free replacement apps for iOS (the apologists
claims to the contrary, they don't exist).

Where are the onphone firewalls and on-the-phone system wide firewalls and
the on-the-phone system-wide ad blockers for iOS (they don't exist).

*The list of app functionalities on Android but not on iOS is huge.*

> There are also far, far more unpatched android phones whereas, given the
> longer support window, iPhones are almost all fully patched.

Again, the apologists only know what Tim Cook's Apple web site fed them.

Android phones are updated _far_ longer than any iPhone ever made is.
https://www.xda-developers.com/android-project-mainline-modules-explanation/

> Does android make it's own modems?

*Android flagships are _generations_ ahead on integrated 5G modem design*

Heck, even the giveaway _free_ Android phones ($285 MSRP) have 5G today.
--
The problem with apologists is they _believe_ whatever Apple tells them.

nospam wrote on 15.06.2021 14:36>> Perhaps, but security experts agree that
Android flagships are harder to
>> hack than iPhones.
>
> oh yea, those mythical 'security experts'.

Universally, pentesters report Android is far harder to hack into than iOS.

Besides, almost all Apple SOCs out there today are laughably flawed.
*Apple's T2 Security Chip Has an Unfixable Flaw*
https://www.wired.com/story/apple-t2-chip-unfixable-flaw-jailbreak-mac/

> the reality is that it's very easy to bypass android security, such as
> using adhesive tape or reflective foil to spoof in-screen fingerprint
> sensor.

All apologists think exactly how Tim Cook's Apple web site tells them to.
The biggest threat is _not_ someone grabbing your phone out of your hands!

And even if it was, the iPhone has been shown to be horribly flawed.
What about the Apple secure enclave unpatchable design flaws, nospam?

*What can you do about the unfixable exploit affecting almost every iPhone and iPad?*
https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-can-you-do-about-the-unfixable-exploit-affecting-almost-every-iphone-and-ipad/

> only a couple of android phones use an integrated modem, which doesn't
> actually matter anyway.

Why is it that every time Apple fails to accomplish what Android has, you
apologists always excuse it away as never having been useful?

Is it because you _hate_ Apple can't even integrate a modem into the SOC?

You can rest assured if Apple ever figures out how to design a modem, they
will make a _big deal_ about it on Tim Cook's Apple web site & so will you.

> maybe, but what apple has now is *much* more secure than the '3d
> fingerprint sensors' in android phones, which can be spoofed with
> adhesive tape or reflective foil.

Again, you only know what you found on Tim Cook's Apple web site nospam.
Your biggest threat is _not_ someone grabbing the phone out of your hands.

Apple wants people like you to think that is the biggest threat.
Because Apple has absolutely no defense to the real threat to phones.

2021: *New unfixable vulnerability revealed in Apple's Secure Enclave chip*
https://ciso.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/new-unfixable-vulnerability-revealed-in-apples-secure-enclave-chip/77342374
--
Apologists only know what Tim Cook's Apple web site has fed them.

Chris wrote on 15.06.2021 13:07>> 3. OS Updates
>
> I mean it's not great on Android, but you do get updates

*None of the apologists (Chris being one) can _ever_ understand OS updates.*
What they fail to understand is iOS updates _differently_ than other OSs.

iOS is essentially monolithic. All or none. When it dies - you're dead.
*Android is broken down in many parts. Many of which update _forever_.*

For example, over two dozen core Android components are updated via Google
Play (which is completely outside the purview of the carrier & the OEM).
https://www.xda-developers.com/android-project-mainline-modules-explanation/

Even Qualcomm driver updates are being done over Google Play nowadays.
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/onq/2021/05/20/announced-google-io-2021-regular-google-nnapi-updates-qualcomm-snapdragon-mobile

> Sorry, but no. No iphone user wants Android's 'security', thanks.

*What's common about apologists is they _only_ know what Apple feeds them.*
Pentesters _universally_ report Android is _vastly_ more secure than iOS.

*No, Your iPhone Is Not More Secure Than Android*
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2021/03/16/iphone-12-pro-max-and-iphone-13-not-more-secure-than-google-and-samsung-android-warns-cyber-billionaire/
--
Apologists only believe what Tim Cook's Apple web site feeds them.

In article <slrnschdcb.78o.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>
> >> 42. eBook Readers
>
> Bwahahahahahaahah, How many hundreds are there on iOS? Fuck, I have
> three permanently installed (Books, Libby, Chunky Reader). What a
> fucking moron.

plus the shitloads of apps that aren't explicitly ebook readers but can
read many different document formats, including ones commonly used by
ebooks (pdf, epub, etc.).