.... Which ACTION PC games do you still own when you bought them back
then? My parents still kept my Fire Hawk (Thexder 2) which I discovered
in my toy box that they kept. I remember playing that game on my IBM
PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC back then. :O
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On 4/19/2024 12:30 PM, Ant wrote:
> ... Which ACTION PC games do you still own when you bought them back
> then? My parents still kept my Fire Hawk (Thexder 2) which I discovered
> in my toy box that they kept. I remember playing that game on my IBM
> PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC back then. :O

Elite may be considered an action game, space combat after all. I have
a copy of From Dusk 'till Dawn which was 2001, that might be my oldest I
still have. I don't actually remember ever playing it though

I wasn't really all that that big on action games, more RPGs, I'm not
really sure what my first action game was. If I say one that I really
got into, it's probably Magic Carpet or Wing Commander III. Populous
maybe, I'm not sure that counts either? I played WCIII on a friend's
Computer first and only got it many years later. I'm not sure when I
actually bought it. I don't have any of those left of course. I had
Doom of course at some point, probably years later than it came out too.
I had an Atari ST after my C-64 that I played a of games on. I might
count my intellivision before the C-64, All I remember liking was the
D&D game, tennis, and blackjack, though those aren't PC games.

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Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>... Which ACTION PC games do you still own when you bought them back
>then?

All of them. Other than throwing out some games boxes when I moved once,
I've kept every game I've ever bought. I have lost a game or two over
the years, but I don't think any of them are action games.

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On 4/20/2024 12:22 AM, Ross Ridge wrote:
> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>> ... Which ACTION PC games do you still own when you bought them back
>> then?
>
> All of them. Other than throwing out some games boxes when I moved once,
> I've kept every game I've ever bought. I have lost a game or two over
> the years, but I don't think any of them are action games.
>

Same, I don't think I ever threw away something I still could get some
use out of, even if some of those discs have been collecting dust
somewhere in the back of a cupboard for nearly 30 years.

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 01:02:53 +0200, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:

>Same, I don't think I ever threw away something I still could get some
>use out of, even if some of those discs have been collecting dust
>somewhere in the back of a cupboard for nearly 30 years.

Same here. I don't throw away game boxes.

To answer Ant's question.. most of my collection is made up of
adventure games, RPGs and strategy games... but I do own a few action
games.

My oldest action game on the PC is a game called Aaargh!. Yes that is
the name of the game. I can't find a copyright date anywhere on the
box, manual or disks but I just checked with google and the game was
released on various platforms in 1987, 1988 and 1989. It is, I
believe, a Rampage clone. I own action games older then this but I
would have to go through my C-64 collection to find the oldest.

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:30:57 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>... Which ACTION PC games do you still own when you bought them back
>then? My parents still kept my Fire Hawk (Thexder 2) which I discovered
>in my toy box that they kept. I remember playing that game on my IBM
>PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC back then. :O

It, of course, depends on how you define "still own".

If you accept the fact that I imaged all my floppy disks to hard-drive
(well, technically first to ZIP drive, then to CD-ROM, then to DVD,
and finally to hard-drive), then I still own /all/ the DOS-era games I
purchased back then. I even have the manuals! I just don't have the
original media or boxes for most of them. I honestly don't remember
which was my first PC game: "Nuclear War", maybe? "Vette"?
Technically, it would probably be "Gorilla.bas", since it came
pre-installed with DOS. None of which I still own the floppy-disks for
;-)

But if you're a bit pickier and insist that the games must be
floppy-disk, then the number drops dramatically. I think "Wing
Commander" would be the oldest PC action game I still own on original
media ("Ultima VI" is older, but it's a CRPG so not eligible in this
contest. It's one of the few games I still own 'complete in box',
though). A few others include "Terminator 2029", "Zone 66" and the
older "Battletech" games (although, while the Battletech games were
/released/ prior to "Wing Commander", the disks themselves are a
compilation set dating back to 1993 and that's when I bought them).

My games on CD-ROM are far more numerous. I can't remember which was
the first game I purchased on CD-ROM, but "Kings Quest V" was probably
one of the first.

Of course, over the years I've since acquired many of the DOS-era
games that I missed the first time around. Some of those even predate
the 90s! But - again - I don't think they count because I didn't add
them to the library until decades after their release.

I think I still have my original Zork disks and a copy of "H.E.R.O"
for the Apple II lying around somewhere, though. But you specified PC
games so we're not counting those either.

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 10:42:28 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>My games on CD-ROM are far more numerous. I can't remember which was
>the first game I purchased on CD-ROM, but "Kings Quest V" was probably
>one of the first.

This one is easy for me to remember. It was The 7th Guest. But King's
Quest V is up there for me as well.

Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
....
> I had an Atari ST after my C-64 that I played a of games on. I might
> count my intellivision before the C-64, All I remember liking was the
> D&D game, tennis, and blackjack, though those aren't PC games.

Well, those old computers are personal. ;) Even Macs.
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Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 10:42:28 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
> <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

> >My games on CD-ROM are far more numerous. I can't remember which was
> >the first game I purchased on CD-ROM, but "Kings Quest V" was probably
> >one of the first.

> This one is easy for me to remember. It was The 7th Guest. But King's
> Quest V is up there for me as well.

Those aren't action games. /s
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Justisaur wrote:
> On 4/19/2024 12:30 PM, Ant wrote:
>> ... Which ACTION PC games do you still own when you bought them back
>> then? My parents still kept my Fire Hawk (Thexder 2) which I discovered
>> in my toy box that they kept. I remember playing that game on my IBM
>> PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC back then. :O
>
> Elite may be considered an action game, space combat after all.  I have
> a copy of From Dusk 'till Dawn which was 2001, that might be my oldest I
> still have.  I don't actually remember ever playing it though
>
> I wasn't really all that that big on action games, more RPGs, I'm not
> really sure what my first action game was.  If I say one that I really
> got into, it's probably Magic Carpet or Wing Commander III.  Populous
> maybe, I'm not sure that counts either?  I played WCIII on a friend's
> Computer first and only got it many years later.  I'm not sure when I
> actually bought it.  I don't have any of those left of course.  I had
> Doom of course at some point, probably years later than it came out too.
>  I had an Atari ST after my C-64 that I played a of games on.  I might
> count my intellivision before the C-64, All I remember liking was the
> D&D game, tennis, and blackjack, though those aren't PC games.
>
That Intellivision AD&D game was good. That's why I think they will
have something powerful in the VR version.

On 4/21/2024 12:07 AM, Ant wrote:
> Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ...
>> I had an Atari ST after my C-64 that I played a of games on. I might
>> count my intellivision before the C-64, All I remember liking was the
>> D&D game, tennis, and blackjack, though those aren't PC games.
>
> Well, those old computers are personal. ;) Even Macs.

Ah, we are choosing violence today, hmm?

(not that I think you are wrong, I totally agree with you)

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On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 22:08:25 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 10:42:28 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
>> <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >My games on CD-ROM are far more numerous. I can't remember which was
>> >the first game I purchased on CD-ROM, but "Kings Quest V" was probably
>> >one of the first.
>
>> This one is easy for me to remember. It was The 7th Guest. But King's
>> Quest V is up there for me as well.
>
>Those aren't action games. /s

Oho, it's like that, is it? ;-)

The thing is, until the mid 90s, most action games were small enough
not to NEED CD-ROMs. "Doom" shipped on three (?) floppy disks and,
installed, needed maybe 10MB disk-space. The games that benefitted the
most were adventure games, since they had the most expansive and
detailed worlds (not to mention the most talkative characters). So
most CD-ROM games were for that genre first.

Still... first /action/ game for PC that came on CD-ROM?

Hmmm... I have a CD-ROM for "D/Generation" has a 1991 copyright on
it... but I'm not sure if that's the copyright of the game (which was
also released on floppy) or for the CD-ROM. I remember buying the game
on floppy, so I assume the CD-ROM version came much later.

"Rebel Assault" from 1993 is a more likely candidate. It was certainly
one of the earliest made-for-CD action games, as opposed to shovelware
dumped onto CD-ROM because the medium was cool. It was such a
disappointing game; pushed by LucasArts as a potential sequel to its
award-winning X-Wing, it turned out to be an extremely simplistic
rail-shooter. Worse, the technology of the time meant that - in order
to get a smooth framerate - the full-screen video was filled with
compression artifacts that made the game really hard to look at. We
forgave it, of course, because CD-ROM and FMV were the new hotness at
the time, but it really was quite a terrible game.

On 4/21/2024 4:41 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 22:08:25 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>
>> Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 10:42:28 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
>>> <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> My games on CD-ROM are far more numerous. I can't remember which was
>>>> the first game I purchased on CD-ROM, but "Kings Quest V" was probably
>>>> one of the first.
>>
>>> This one is easy for me to remember. It was The 7th Guest. But King's
>>> Quest V is up there for me as well.
>>
>> Those aren't action games. /s
>
>
> Oho, it's like that, is it? ;-)
>
> The thing is, until the mid 90s, most action games were small enough
> not to NEED CD-ROMs. "Doom" shipped on three (?) floppy disks and,
> installed, needed maybe 10MB disk-space. The games that benefitted the
> most were adventure games, since they had the most expansive and
> detailed worlds (not to mention the most talkative characters). So
> most CD-ROM games were for that genre first.
>
> Still... first /action/ game for PC that came on CD-ROM?
>
> Hmmm... I have a CD-ROM for "D/Generation" has a 1991 copyright on
> it... but I'm not sure if that's the copyright of the game (which was
> also released on floppy) or for the CD-ROM. I remember buying the game
> on floppy, so I assume the CD-ROM version came much later.
>
> "Rebel Assault" from 1993 is a more likely candidate. It was certainly
> one of the earliest made-for-CD action games, as opposed to shovelware
> dumped onto CD-ROM because the medium was cool. It was such a
> disappointing game; pushed by LucasArts as a potential sequel to its
> award-winning X-Wing, it turned out to be an extremely simplistic
> rail-shooter. Worse, the technology of the time meant that - in order
> to get a smooth framerate - the full-screen video was filled with
> compression artifacts that made the game really hard to look at. We
> forgave it, of course, because CD-ROM and FMV were the new hotness at
> the time, but it really was quite a terrible game.
>

That's interesting, I had thought Rebel Assault came a bit earlier than
X-Wing. But no, RA was out half a year after X-Wing.
I do think it made more sense as a non-pc game. I think it was mostly
developed as a console game, and the DOS version just came out to
capture that market as well. It makes more sense as a console game of
the time: it has a more simplistic gameplay ready to be played by
controller, and the whole game is basically designed to showcase the
advanced capabilities of the systems it was supposed to run on (mostly
the ill-fated 3DO, but also the Sega CD).
Is it good? No, but it gave me a Star Wars fix when that wasn't so easy
to get. I mean it was the 90s before Episode 1, they didn't just throw
Star Wars media at you at that point.

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On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 22:08:25 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>Those aren't action games. /s

Ok fine I just checked. I thought it was going to be Magic Carpet and
Dark Forces which are Copyright 1994 each. But no, I can beat those by
just a bit.

I have something called Star Wars Rebel Assault which has a copyright
date of 1993. That is my oldest action game on CD-ROM.

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 10:41:25 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Rebel Assault" from 1993 is a more likely candidate. It was certainly
>one of the earliest made-for-CD action games, as opposed to shovelware
>dumped onto CD-ROM because the medium was cool. It was such a
>disappointing game; pushed by LucasArts as a potential sequel to its
>award-winning X-Wing, it turned out to be an extremely simplistic
>rail-shooter. Worse, the technology of the time meant that - in order
>to get a smooth framerate - the full-screen video was filled with
>compression artifacts that made the game really hard to look at. We
>forgave it, of course, because CD-ROM and FMV were the new hotness at
>the time, but it really was quite a terrible game.

Well I am glad you can remember Rebel Assault because I can't. I own
it but I have no memories of it at all.

Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/21/2024 12:07 AM, Ant wrote:
> > Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > ...
> >> I had an Atari ST after my C-64 that I played a of games on. I might
> >> count my intellivision before the C-64, All I remember liking was the
> >> D&D game, tennis, and blackjack, though those aren't PC games.
> >
> > Well, those old computers are personal. ;) Even Macs.

> Ah, we are choosing violence today, hmm?

> (not that I think you are wrong, I totally agree with you)

Yeah, it bugs me when people think PCs are just IBM types. Many
computers are personal! They should just say IBM PCs to be specific.

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Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 22:08:25 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

> >Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 10:42:28 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
> >> <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >My games on CD-ROM are far more numerous. I can't remember which was
> >> >the first game I purchased on CD-ROM, but "Kings Quest V" was probably
> >> >one of the first.
> >
> >> This one is easy for me to remember. It was The 7th Guest. But King's
> >> Quest V is up there for me as well.
> >
> >Those aren't action games. /s

> Oho, it's like that, is it? ;-)

> The thing is, until the mid 90s, most action games were small enough
> not to NEED CD-ROMs. "Doom" shipped on three (?) floppy disks and,
> installed, needed maybe 10MB disk-space. The games that benefitted the
> most were adventure games, since they had the most expansive and
> detailed worlds (not to mention the most talkative characters). So
> most CD-ROM games were for that genre first.

> Still... first /action/ game for PC that came on CD-ROM?

> Hmmm... I have a CD-ROM for "D/Generation" has a 1991 copyright on
> it... but I'm not sure if that's the copyright of the game (which was
> also released on floppy) or for the CD-ROM. I remember buying the game
> on floppy, so I assume the CD-ROM version came much later.

> "Rebel Assault" from 1993 is a more likely candidate. It was certainly
> one of the earliest made-for-CD action games, as opposed to shovelware
> dumped onto CD-ROM because the medium was cool. It was such a
> disappointing game; pushed by LucasArts as a potential sequel to its
> award-winning X-Wing, it turned out to be an extremely simplistic
> rail-shooter. Worse, the technology of the time meant that - in order
> to get a smooth framerate - the full-screen video was filled with
> compression artifacts that made the game really hard to look at. We
> forgave it, of course, because CD-ROM and FMV were the new hotness at
> the time, but it really was quite a terrible game.

Yeah, RA was pretty for multimedia showoff but linear and no
replayability. I remember buying it from my local CompUSA store. I
regretted too.

Commander Keen, Prince of Persia, etc. were action types. ;)
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Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 10:41:25 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
> <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

> >"Rebel Assault" from 1993 is a more likely candidate. It was certainly
> >one of the earliest made-for-CD action games, as opposed to shovelware
> >dumped onto CD-ROM because the medium was cool. It was such a
> >disappointing game; pushed by LucasArts as a potential sequel to its
> >award-winning X-Wing, it turned out to be an extremely simplistic
> >rail-shooter. Worse, the technology of the time meant that - in order
> >to get a smooth framerate - the full-screen video was filled with
> >compression artifacts that made the game really hard to look at. We
> >forgave it, of course, because CD-ROM and FMV were the new hotness at
> >the time, but it really was quite a terrible game.

> Well I am glad you can remember Rebel Assault because I can't. I own
> it but I have no memories of it at all.

I only remember pretty visuals and linear difficult short gameplay.
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On 4/21/2024 12:45 PM, Ant wrote:
> Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/21/2024 12:07 AM, Ant wrote:
>>> Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> I had an Atari ST after my C-64 that I played a of games on. I might
>>>> count my intellivision before the C-64, All I remember liking was the
>>>> D&D game, tennis, and blackjack, though those aren't PC games.
>>>
>>> Well, those old computers are personal. ;) Even Macs.
>
>> Ah, we are choosing violence today, hmm?
>
>> (not that I think you are wrong, I totally agree with you)
>
> Yeah, it bugs me when people think PCs are just IBM types. Many
> computers are personal! They should just say IBM PCs to be specific.
>
"Workstations"

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Ant wrote:
> ... Which ACTION PC games do you still own when you bought them back
> then? My parents still kept my Fire Hawk (Thexder 2) which I discovered
> in my toy box that they kept. I remember playing that game on my IBM
> PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC back then. :O
>
Space Empires IV Deluxe

Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
> ... Which ACTION PC games do you still own when you bought them back
> then? My parents still kept my Fire Hawk (Thexder 2) which I discovered
> in my toy box that they kept. I remember playing that game on my IBM
> PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC back then. :O

I still have Pentium 2 @ 350 MHz, with Savage3D 8 MB Video card, on which
I play Duke3D, and other games.

On 4/21/2024 10:47 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 4/21/2024 12:45 PM, Ant wrote:
>> Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/21/2024 12:07 AM, Ant wrote:
>>>> Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>>    I had an Atari ST after my C-64 that I played a of games on.  I
>>>>> might
>>>>> count my intellivision before the C-64, All I remember liking was the
>>>>> D&D game, tennis, and blackjack, though those aren't PC games.
>>>>
>>>> Well, those old computers are personal. ;) Even Macs.
>>
>>> Ah, we are choosing violence today, hmm?
>>
>>> (not that I think you are wrong, I totally agree with you)
>>
>> Yeah, it bugs me when people think PCs are just IBM types. Many
>> computers are personal! They should just say IBM PCs to be specific.
>>
> "Workstations"
>

or maybe "Playstations"

I don't see any problem with that

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Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 07:38 this Monday (GMT):
> On 4/21/2024 10:47 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 4/21/2024 12:45 PM, Ant wrote:
>>> Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/21/2024 12:07 AM, Ant wrote:
>>>>> Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>    I had an Atari ST after my C-64 that I played a of games on.  I
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> count my intellivision before the C-64, All I remember liking was the
>>>>>> D&D game, tennis, and blackjack, though those aren't PC games.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, those old computers are personal. ;) Even Macs.
>>>
>>>> Ah, we are choosing violence today, hmm?
>>>
>>>> (not that I think you are wrong, I totally agree with you)
>>>
>>> Yeah, it bugs me when people think PCs are just IBM types. Many
>>> computers are personal! They should just say IBM PCs to be specific.
>>>
>> "Workstations"
>>
>
> or maybe "Playstations"
>
> I don't see any problem with that

Nah, an X86box would be a better name :)
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On 4/20/2024 3:07 PM, Ant wrote:
> Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ...
>> I had an Atari ST after my C-64 that I played a of games on. I might
>> count my intellivision before the C-64, All I remember liking was the
>> D&D game, tennis, and blackjack, though those aren't PC games.
>
> Well, those old computers are personal. ;) Even Macs.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, the 3 games I mentioned were on the
intellivision, which was a console.

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 06:11:14 -0000 (UTC), address@is.invalid (LucLan)
wrote:

>Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
>> ... Which ACTION PC games do you still own when you bought them back
>> then? My parents still kept my Fire Hawk (Thexder 2) which I discovered
>> in my toy box that they kept. I remember playing that game on my IBM
>> PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC back then. :O
>
>I still have Pentium 2 @ 350 MHz, with Savage3D 8 MB Video card, on which
>I play Duke3D, and other games.

Ah, retro-PCs.
We all love them.
....
Well, some of us love them.
....
Well, /I/ love them. ;-)

My 'primary' retro-PC is my "Project98" box; Pentium II/300, Voodoo3,
and a hard-drive big enough to store the ripped CD-ROMs of waaaaay too
many games. But I've also a Pentium PC for running Win95, with a
Matrox Mystique, Pure3D 3DFX, Soundblaster Pro and my beloved Gravis
Ultrasound. Honestly, though, that one gets a lot less attention, just
because Win95 was /such/ a flakey OS. I've also an IBM Thinkpad, that
dual boots DOS/Win3 and Windows95... although I mostly love that one
for its Trackpoint mouse-nub thingee.

But I generally don't go for older hardware than that, just because I
can get much the same experience from emulation with a lot less
hassle. DOSBox lets me launch a thousand plus games without rebooting
once, and I can even swap 'hardware'. Win95/98 era computing isn't
quite up to that ease-of-use yet (somebody really needs to make an
easy-to-use Win9x VM with multi-level containerization). So I stick
with original hardware for those games.