Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 14:23 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 4/24/2024 5:41 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
>> On 4/24/2024 12:54 PM, Lane Larson wrote:
>>> candycanearter07 wrote:
[snip]
>>>> And tighter control.
>>>>
>>> Not for FPS...
>>
>> some things are easier to play on consoles, some are harder. they really
>> have different niches. (although, considering I can just use a gamepad
>> on my PC that's not really a difference anymore)
>>
> I think "tighter control" here refers to the manufacturer exerting more
> restrictive control over what you can do with the equipment....

Yeah.
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On 4/24/2024 5:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 14:23 this Wednesday (GMT):
>> On 4/24/2024 5:41 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
>>> On 4/24/2024 12:54 PM, Lane Larson wrote:
>>>> candycanearter07 wrote:
> [snip]
>>>>> And tighter control.
>>>>>
>>>> Not for FPS...
>>>
>>> some things are easier to play on consoles, some are harder. they really
>>> have different niches. (although, considering I can just use a gamepad
>>> on my PC that's not really a difference anymore)
>>>
>> I think "tighter control" here refers to the manufacturer exerting more
>> restrictive control over what you can do with the equipment....
>
>
> Yeah.

yeah, so I completely misread that.

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On 4/24/2024 4:20 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 4/24/2024 3:58 AM, Lane Larson wrote:
>> JAB wrote:
>>> On 23/04/2024 20:17, Kyonshi wrote:
>>>> Yeah, I wouldn't call the C64 anything but a PC really. But I do
>>>> remember that it started back then when they decided to split up
>>>> categories into C64, Atari ST, Amiga,... and the (IBM) PC
>>>
>>> At the time computers like the C64, Spectrum etc. were just called
>>> home computers and as far as I remember they were pretty much dead
>>> before the term PC started to be commonly used.
>>>
>>> Personally I assume that if someone says PC* they mean a Windows
>>> based desktop PC and not a more generic one.
>>>
>>> *Of course if they have an Apple PC then I'm pretty sure they will
>>> tell you!
>>
>> The term doesn't really concern me.  I think it's falling out of
>> favor. I can understand how Apple Mac users would be up in the air
>> about it.
>
> Apple users have to be up in the air about everything because that's
> where their noses are.   ;)
>

I mean, you have to breathe somehow.

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On 4/24/2024 5:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 11:05 this Wednesday (GMT):
>> On 4/23/2024 10:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> [snip]
>>> Don't forget the 100GB updates.
>>
>> Oh right, I already had struck the horror from my mind. Thanks for
>> reminding me.
>
>
> Sorry :P

Which reminds me I finally should try that Mass Effect trilogy thing
that didn't want to work on my old computer.
The solution they had for any issue was to reinstall the whole thing.
The whole 100gb+. Sheer madness.

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Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 17:35 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 4/24/2024 4:20 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 4/24/2024 3:58 AM, Lane Larson wrote:
>>> JAB wrote:
>>>> On 23/04/2024 20:17, Kyonshi wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, I wouldn't call the C64 anything but a PC really. But I do
>>>>> remember that it started back then when they decided to split up
>>>>> categories into C64, Atari ST, Amiga,... and the (IBM) PC
>>>>
>>>> At the time computers like the C64, Spectrum etc. were just called
>>>> home computers and as far as I remember they were pretty much dead
>>>> before the term PC started to be commonly used.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I assume that if someone says PC* they mean a Windows
>>>> based desktop PC and not a more generic one.
>>>>
>>>> *Of course if they have an Apple PC then I'm pretty sure they will
>>>> tell you!
>>>
>>> The term doesn't really concern me.  I think it's falling out of
>>> favor. I can understand how Apple Mac users would be up in the air
>>> about it.
>>
>> Apple users have to be up in the air about everything because that's
>> where their noses are.   ;)
>>
>
> I mean, you have to breathe somehow.

No i dont
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Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 17:35 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 4/24/2024 5:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 11:05 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>> On 4/23/2024 10:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>> Don't forget the 100GB updates.
>>>
>>> Oh right, I already had struck the horror from my mind. Thanks for
>>> reminding me.
>>
>>
>> Sorry :P
>
> Which reminds me I finally should try that Mass Effect trilogy thing
> that didn't want to work on my old computer.
> The solution they had for any issue was to reinstall the whole thing.
> The whole 100gb+. Sheer madness.

/ouch/. I hope you have good wifi.
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On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:18:52 +0200, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 4/22/2024 9:10 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 15:39 this Monday (GMT):
>>> On 4/22/2024 4:48 PM, Justisaur wrote:
>>>> On 4/20/2024 3:07 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>>> Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>   I had an Atari ST after my C-64 that I played a of games on.  I might
>>>>>> count my intellivision before the C-64, All I remember liking was the
>>>>>> D&D game, tennis, and blackjack, though those aren't PC games.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, those old computers are personal. ;) Even Macs.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry if I wasn't clear, the 3 games I mentioned were on the
>>>> intellivision, which was a console.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ah, consoles are just personal computers with better PR
>>
>>
>> To be fair, they usually have better performance/price ratio.
>
>until they don't and they need to come up with a new generation to catch
>up with the PC market. I've seen that circle multiple times already.

And I'm not really sure they ever did... at least not since the 8-bit
days (and maybe not even then). If all you focused on was
price-per-MIPS, maybe you could count consoles ahead, but computers
always had other advantages, not least the immense lead in memory and
storage. Console's biggest advantage wasn't their performance, or even
(I'd argue) their price; it was their ease-of-use, both from the
standpoint of the developer and end-user. It also didn't hurt that
consoles were single-purpose devices dedicated to a single task,
whereas most PCs had to divvie up their capabilities between a variety
of different uses (many often running in the background).

If you bought a console, you knew you weren't getting top-of-the-line
computing capability; you were getting cut-rate computing that was
reasonably priced and - although limited in what you could do with it
- was as plug-n-play as your average toaster. But If you really wanted
to maximize the price-per-computer, you went with computers, whether
those were from retailer or custom jobs. It's why - despite unfounded
rumors like how the "Playstation 2" was being bought in bulk to
perform nuclear weapons development - consoles never found any real
use (outside hobbiests having fun with it) other than to play games.

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:30:57 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>... Which ACTION PC games do you still own when you bought them back
>then? My parents still kept my Fire Hawk (Thexder 2) which I discovered
>in my toy box that they kept. I remember playing that game on my IBM
>PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC back then. :O

I still have Crusader: No Remorse and the original box.

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 01:54:15 -0400, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:30:57 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>
>>... Which ACTION PC games do you still own when you bought them back
>>then? My parents still kept my Fire Hawk (Thexder 2) which I discovered
>>in my toy box that they kept. I remember playing that game on my IBM
>>PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC back then. :O
>
>I still have Crusader: No Remorse and the original box.

I really quite enjoyed Crusader.

Not just because it was a smashing game, although it was. It allowed a
destructibility in the level that was really quite novel for its time.
Armed with an array of overpowered weapons, it seemed like almost
everything exploded (or at least showed signs of damage) when shot.
Often, this was only a visual effect (although, back in the DOS days,
even this was a tremendous evolution from the normally static levels
of other games) but sometimes, it would affect gameplay.

It had a rocking soundtrack too. It used 'tracker' music (MOD files),
which - for a while - seemed like it was going to become the new
format for game-music, supplanting MIDI. I still have the MOD files,
ripped from the game, on my hard-drive and they get the occasional
listen.*

But it was also the fact that the game was based on the Ultima 8
engine. "Ultima 8" was such a disappointment in terms of gameplay; it
was more action oriented, offered fewer player options, and was
generally a very clunky game. But seeing its engine re-purposed to
make an actual action game seemed to indicate that Origin - the
developers - had recognized their error and were back on track for
making the usual, excellent games. It was a promise of better things
to come.
(It was, unfortunately, an unfulfilled promise, with disappointments
like "Ultima 9" and "Wing Commander Prophecy" soon to kill the
company... but in 1995 it felt like renewed hope).

The box of "Crusader: No Remorse" itself was quite striking too. The
eponymous Crusader, in his red, plasticy armor, was eye-catching, as
was the "if you don't have a bad attitude, you don't have a chance"
tagline on the back cover. And Origin was still knocking it out of the
park with its manuals, filled not only with instructions on how to
play the game, but lots of added lore details.

A fun game, all around.

* technically, I listen to MP3s made from the original MOD files. It's
just easier that way, and I can dump the files into my usual player so
they show up in the random shuffle with all the other MP3s.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:30:57 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

> >... Which ACTION PC games do you still own when you bought them back
> >then? My parents still kept my Fire Hawk (Thexder 2) which I discovered
> >in my toy box that they kept. I remember playing that game on my IBM
> >PS/2 model 30 286 10 Mhz PC back then. :O

> I still have Crusader: No Remorse and the original box.

I played its demo. It was OK.
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