Am 12.08.21 um 00:40 schrieb nospam:
> In article <6huduhxl6r.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>, Carlos E. R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> And in other parts of the world (parts of Africa, parts of Asia, etc,
>>> and other places), it may not even be "most people."
>>
>> I heard that in Africa, or in parts of it, it may happen that more
>> people have a mobile phone than a landline; it is simply cheaper and
>> faster to deploy a wireless network than copper.
>
> it's true for the usa.

.... and Africa in particular.
The time they bury copper are long over. Fiber optical cables are the
name of the game.

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Am 12.08.21 um 02:29 schrieb Rod Speed:
> Not just in africa either, plenty in Australia don’t bother
> with a landline anymore because a cellphone service is
> much cheaper and much more useful given that it works
> when you aren't at home too.

For private use landlines are a thing of the past. Millennials and
younger do not have have landlines anymore.

With landlines the concept is to call a place and hoping that someone
picks up the phone.

Mobile is the concept of calling a specific person irrespective where
this person is.

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Am 12.08.21 um 13:41 schrieb Chris:
> It wasn't. The OP only referenced the 'federal government'. They may
> have meant Germany.
>
> It's annoying that people don't realise this isn't a US-specific ng.
> There are a lot of "foreign" regulars here.

That is why I wrote our Federal Government did not plan such tests. We
are talking about Switzerland.

This is not a US-NG.

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Am 12.08.21 um 14:50 schrieb Mayayana:
> "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
>
> |
> | It wasn't. The OP only referenced the 'federal government'. They may
> | have meant Germany.
> |
>
> Or Bali, maybe. But they meant the US.
>
> | It's annoying that people don't realise this isn't a US-specific ng.
> | There are a lot of "foreign" regulars here.
>
> I'm afraid that's the cost of not living in "Rome".
> Romans don't need to think about what's happening
> in outlying areas. It's not arrogance. It's just the way
> of things. Just as you didn't feel offended on behalf of
> Balians, Nigerians, or Mongolians, but only on behalf of
> a modern, European power to be reckoned with on the
> world stage.
>
> The Internet itself is mainly a US/English invention.

That is OT

> And this group is English language. If you go to

English speaking. The US represent less than 5% of all English speakers.

> German usenet groups then presumably they'd be
> assuming German references. So, yes, this is mainly a

Wrong. There are many other countries that speak German. My first
language is German but thankfully I do not live in Germany.

> US newsgroup, with a number of Brits who add "colour",
> and a few multilingual people from other countries. We
> even accept Mac users such as yourself, even though
> they might just as well be from Bali. :)

This not a US-NG. Full stop.

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Am 12.08.21 um 18:08 schrieb Chris:
> Yes because it is a german group as you state. This isn't a US group. Just
> because it's in english you make the false assumption that defaults to
> American. English is a universal language.

SIC.

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On 8/11/2021 5:55 PM, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 12 Aug 2021 00:11:18 +0200, "Carlos
> E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 11/08/2021 23.59, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On 8/11/2021 2:31 PM, micky wrote:
>>>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 12 Aug 2021 08:51:43 +1200, Your Name
>>>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-08-11 20:25:46 +0000, Bob Campbell said:
>>>>>> NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not also test on PCs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because everyone has a phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong. Not everyone has a cellphone.
>>>>
>>>> He said "a phone", not a cell phone.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not everyone has a phone of any kind. In the USA, *most* people have
>
> How does that change what I said?

It doesn't. I was simply commenting that what NewsKrawler said wasn't
correct.

>
> As to some people not having a phone of any sort, of course not. Some
> people have no phone, radio, television, or telegraph. If there is an
> emergency, they won't be notified with one of those.
>
>>> some kind of phone, but there's a big difference between "everybody" and
>>> "most people.
>>>
>>> And in other parts of the world (parts of Africa, parts of Asia, etc,
>>> and other places), it may not even be "most people."
>>
>>I heard that in Africa, or in parts of it, it may happen that more
>>people have a mobile phone than a landline; it is simply cheaper and
>>faster to deploy a wireless network than copper.
>
> I can see that.
>

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Am 12.08.21 um 15:56 schrieb nospam:
> true, but most regulars are in the usa and its government is often
> referred to as that,

That is completely wrong and arrogant.

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Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 12/08/2021 13.48, knuttle wrote:
>>> On 8/11/2021 9:17 PM, Mayayana wrote:
>>>> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>> | > I don't use a cellphone. If I did, the local city wouldn't
>>>> | > know the number. They call listed numbers.
>>>> | >
>>>> | > So what the Fed are doing must be simply that those
>>>> | > are the venues where they can force companies to
>>>> | > broadcast a message, and where it's possible to do so.
>>>> |
>>>> | Emergency alerts are broadcast to ALL cellphones by the providers,
>>>> | regardless of whether or not the number is "listed".
>>>> |
>>>>
>>>> Yes. I meant that the local city calls listed landlines.
>>>> They have no way to know cellphone numbers owned
>>>> by people in the city. I just get a bot voicemail on my
>>>> landline.
>>>>
>>>> The Feds, are working the other way around -- forcing
>>>> cellphone service providers to just broadcast to anyone.
>>>> But they don't call landlines. Too expensive, I suppose.
>>>> Long story short, I never heard about the apocalypse
>>>> today. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> | In some ways they're a stupid idea (even ignoring the fact that many
>>>> | people do not have cellphones). For example, someone driving along
>>>> and
>>>> | their cellphone suddenly starts screeching at them could cause a
>>>> | traffic accident, or the sudden shock could induce a heart attack.
>>>> |
>>>>
>>>> Good point. And in many states it's now illegal to use
>>>> handheld devices while driving. I think of it as just one
>>>> more reason I'm glad not to use a cellphone. I don't
>>>> want various gov't authorities deciding I need to be
>>>> informed of an amber alert or some such. And I'm sure
>>>> that's just the foot in the door. Next it will be voting
>>>> reminders, recycling reminders, reminders not to drink
>>>> and drive, reminders that fireworks are illegal... If Trump
>>>> were still president he'd probably be sending out reminders
>>>> of how much better he's making your life.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The biggest problem with a cell phone is that your location is
>>> constantly being monitored. Some people worry about privacy and accept
>>> the cell phone location monitoring.
>>
>> Hum.
>>
>> The service provider does not monitor locations in real time. They can
>> find out in retrospect, analysing the raw data logs, where some person
>> was, which is different. And for this a court order is required.
>
> Correct. It's also not very accurate as the cell data was not design for
> triangulating a phone's position. That's why it can only be done
> retrospectively and requires specialist knowledge.
>
>> They can, which is different, know in real time how many people are
>> connected to each tower or antenna. Not the same thing as people in an
>> area, that requires intense calculations, has a cost in hardware and
>> software resources.
>>
>> On the other hand, google/apple can obtain the location of each client,
>> by asking the smartphone itself.
>>
>>>
>>> Early in the panic we were receiving report of on the number of people
>>> violating the shut down order that was based on cell phone traffic.
>
> Sounds like bullshit to me.

No its not. Google does traffic volume the same way.

On 8/12/2021 9:01 AM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <20210811193959@news.eternal-september.org> Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2021-08-11, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
>>> Because everyone has a phone. Very few people have - or sit in front of
>>> all day - a Windows PC.
>
>> I know people who do no have cell phones.
>
> And I know people who don't have TVs. So what? The vast majority of
> people have both,

That's not my experience. I know more and more people who only have cell
phones, and their number keeps growing.

> and nearly everyone has one or the other.

Except for the very poor, homeless people, yes. But "nearly everyone"
isn't the same as "everyone" and that's why, even if you discount the
homeless, I said the original post saying "everyone" is worng

--
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Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
> Am 11.08.21 um 23:59 schrieb Ken Blake:
>> On 8/11/2021 2:31 PM, micky wrote:
>>> He said "a phone", not a cell phone.
>>
>>
>> Not everyone has a phone of any kind. In the USA, *most* people have
>> some kind of phone, but there's a big difference between "everybody" and
>> "most people.
>>
>> And in other parts of the world (parts of Africa, parts of Asia, etc,
>> and other places), it may not even be "most people."

> You would be surprised.

> The whole discussion is bizarre. Phones and all means that depend on
> the public electricity network are not suitable for the discussed purpose.

There is no other viable alternative. While radio and TV in theory can
be self powered in an emergency situation, few have self powered TVs
to receive the warning on and radio is really only viable for notifying
cars.

> Telephone networks are not suitable for such peak loads as to inform the
> whole population.

That’s wrong too with texts on the cellphone system.

In article <inl22kFa87mU1@mid.individual.net>, Ken Blake
<ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:

> >>> Because everyone has a phone. Very few people have - or sit in front of
> >>> all day - a Windows PC.
> >
> >> I know people who do no have cell phones.
> >
> > And I know people who don't have TVs. So what? The vast majority of
> > people have both,
>
>
> That's not my experience. I know more and more people who only have cell
> phones, and their number keeps growing.
>
> > and nearly everyone has one or the other.
>
> Except for the very poor, homeless people, yes.

some of them have cellphones.

> But "nearly everyone"
> isn't the same as "everyone" and that's why, even if you discount the
> homeless, I said the original post saying "everyone" is worng

it's a common expression which is not intended to be taken literally.

Am 12.08.21 um 15:28 schrieb Rene Lamontagne:
> On 2021-08-12 8:05 a.m., Mayayana wrote:
>> Interesting. I didn't know about that. Probably most
>> people don't even realize they're tracked.
>>
>>
>
> I have an Alcatel Flip phone Go 3 and it is a semi smart phone wit lots
> of features which I never use, It is always Off except when I have to
> call a Cab when I am out somewhere,, It never receives calls because
> only my son and I know the phone number. I am in charge of it, not it
> running my life like I see so many who are slaves to their phones.

A phone with a *smartuser*.

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Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> Not just in africa either, plenty in Australia don’t bother
>> with a landline anymore because a cellphone service is
>> much cheaper and much more useful given that it works
>> when you aren't at home too.

> For private use landlines are a thing of the past. Millennials
> and younger do not have have landlines anymore.

Plenty older than that don’t either.

> With landlines the concept is to call a place
> and hoping that someone picks up the phone.

> Mobile is the concept of calling a specific
> person irrespective where this person is.

Problem is some dinosaurs leave their cellphone turned off.

"Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote

| Yes lots of US threads are of use or interest to others here but this
topic
| was of no use to anyone outside of the US.
|

Lately most threads are of little use to anyone. Many or
most recent posts have no connection to Win10. I guess
that says something about Win10.

| > This is an interesting issue, I think -- minorities demanding
| > equal representation.
| | The bigger issue is American superiority complex. You should try rereading
| what you wrote from an external perspective.
|

It's simply facts. It has nothing to do with a superiority
complex. I happen to think that Euro cultures are generally
healthier and more mature than the US. But the US, since
WW2, is the super-power. People need to know English.
No one needs to know French or German. (Much to the
chagrin of the French. :) That's not bragging. And it's not
my fault. I didn't make anyone learn English. It's just
the way things are. Even you see it that way. You just
described English as a "universal language". If people want
to be upscale hipsters they need to speak English.

Ironically, in large part the US is so powerful and affects
other countries so much because the Germans tried to take
over the world. If not for that the US might still be a country
of insular hayseeds. Instead we're a country of imperialistic
hayseeds. :)

| > That's the basis of the current craze in
| > "critical race theory" in the US. The proposal is that American
| > society is inherently racist. But it's not. It simply has a culture.
| > Racism is an element in all people because we all have likes
| > and dislikes. We all define us and them in various ways. CRT
| > demands that we eliminate all culture and distinctions. Ironically,
| > the people making the demands never stop distinguishing
| > themselves and their subcultures. So be careful what you wish
| > for. If you demand equal acknowledgement of German culture,
| > what's to stop a Mongolian from stopping by and demanding
| > the same? Or a Balian? Will we have to discuss broadcast
| > standards in Chile or offer "Spanish Language Friday" to Carlos?
| | Would there be anything wrong with that? As long as it's on-topic you
might
| actually learn something.
|

It wouldn't be on-topic. I understand a bit of Spanish. No
Mongolian. No German. No Balian. (I don't even know what
language they speak.) Since only the poster would likely
understand such a post, it would no longer be a discussion.
(I actually studied Spanish for 4 years, but I've rarely had
occasion to use it, so I've forgotten. Everyone else speaks
English!)

That's what I'm trying to clarify: Feeling in the minority is
not an act of aggression by the majority. It's an expression
of competitiveness on your part. Imagine being a Syrian,
Palestinian, or any of the other myriad ethnicities that the
first world mostly ignores. How often do we think about them?
How many of us bother to learn their languages? Do you have
a superior attitude because you don't know about all those
people? No. We all relate with the world we find ourselves in.

Why wasn't Germany given to the
Jews after WW2? Because Germans are white, with a long
history in Europe. The land England "gave" to the Jews
belonged only to 3rd-world Arabs. So it was "free for the
taking"... and it's still being taken. And still few are complaining,
as rich American yuppies from NYC play out their roots trip
on recently stolen Palestinian land.
So before you complain about not being top rung on the ladder
you might want to consider that you actually are pretty close
to the top.

| > So, welcome to America. Be sure to see our Eiffel Tower and
| > Leaning Tower of Pisa. I think they're both in Las Vegas. :)
| | I'll pass. I don't do cheap copies.
|

Ah, the famous German sense of humor. Sorry, I should
have explained that that was actually a mildly self-
deprecating joke. It was a way of acknowledging the
crassness of American culture... Never mind... Got any
good Mongolian jokes?

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
> %% wrote
>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
>>> NewsKrawler wrote

>>>> At 2:20 p.m. ET on Wednesday, the federal government will test two
>>>> emergency
>>
>>> Our Federal Government won't do anything like this.
>>
>> Then you get to drown when they get it wrong about the effect of a lot of
>> rain etc.

> Since WW II the alert and emergency systems
> in Switzerland are very sophisticated.

So how do their do it, particularly with
those out in their cars or out for exercise ?

> It is the same as with the availability
> of nuclear hardened shelters.

Difficult to get to one in time tho.

> Israel is the benchmark.

Dunno, they lose a few when the missiles are incoming.

In message <inl22kFa87mU1@mid.individual.net> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
> On 8/12/2021 9:01 AM, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <20210811193959@news.eternal-september.org> Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-11, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
>>>> Because everyone has a phone. Very few people have - or sit in front of
>>>> all day - a Windows PC.
>>
>>> I know people who do no have cell phones.
>>
>> And I know people who don't have TVs. So what? The vast majority of
>> people have both,

> That's not my experience. I know more and more people who only have cell
> phones, and their number keeps growing.

>> and nearly everyone has one or the other.

> Except for the very poor, homeless people, yes.

Most the homeless people I see have a cell phone.

> I said the original post saying "everyone" is worng

In English words like 'everyone' are understood to mean "very nearly
everyone" in conversation.

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would the children look like?"

In article <slrnshamsn.g3e.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>
> > That's not my experience. I know more and more people who only have cell
> > phones, and their number keeps growing.
>
>
> >> and nearly everyone has one or the other.
>
> > Except for the very poor, homeless people, yes.
>
> Most the homeless people I see have a cell phone.

many years ago, there was a news report about a homeless person who had
a cellphone and a laptop, which he recharged using mains power outlets
found on the outside of buildings, and used it to get on the internet
and find himself a job.

> > I said the original post saying "everyone" is worng
>
> In English words like 'everyone' are understood to mean "very nearly
> everyone" in conversation.

yep.

On 8/12/2021 12:14 PM, Chris wrote:
> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 12/08/2021 13.48, knuttle wrote:
>>> On 8/11/2021 9:17 PM, Mayayana wrote:
>>>> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>> | >   I don't use a cellphone. If I did, the local city wouldn't
>>>> | > know the number. They call listed numbers.
>>>> | >
>>>> | >   So what the Fed are doing must be simply that those
>>>> | > are the venues where they can force companies to
>>>> | > broadcast a message, and where it's possible to do so.
>>>> |
>>>> | Emergency alerts are broadcast to ALL cellphones by the providers,
>>>> | regardless of whether or not the number is "listed".
>>>> |
>>>>
>>>>    Yes. I meant that the local city calls listed landlines.
>>>> They have no way to know cellphone numbers owned
>>>> by people in the city. I just get a bot voicemail on my
>>>> landline.
>>>>
>>>>    The Feds, are working the other way around -- forcing
>>>> cellphone service providers to just broadcast to anyone.
>>>> But they don't call landlines. Too expensive, I suppose.
>>>> Long story short, I never heard about the apocalypse
>>>> today. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> | In some ways they're a stupid idea (even ignoring the fact that many
>>>> | people do not have cellphones). For example, someone driving along and
>>>> | their cellphone suddenly starts screeching at them could cause a
>>>> | traffic accident, or the sudden shock could induce a heart attack.
>>>> |
>>>>
>>>>    Good point. And in many states it's now illegal to use
>>>> handheld devices while driving. I think of it as just one
>>>> more reason I'm glad not to use a cellphone. I don't
>>>> want various gov't authorities deciding I need to be
>>>> informed of an amber alert or some such. And I'm sure
>>>> that's just the foot in the door. Next it will be voting
>>>> reminders, recycling reminders, reminders not to drink
>>>> and drive, reminders that fireworks are illegal... If Trump
>>>> were still president he'd probably be sending out reminders
>>>> of how much better he's making your life.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The biggest problem with a cell phone is that your location is
>>> constantly being monitored.   Some people worry about privacy and accept
>>> the cell phone location monitoring.
>>
>> Hum.
>>
>> The service provider does not monitor locations in real time. They can
>> find out in retrospect, analysing the raw data logs, where some person
>> was, which is different. And for this a court order is required.
>
> Correct. It's also not very accurate as the cell data was not design for
> triangulating a phone's position. That's why it can only be done
> retrospectively and requires specialist knowledge.
>
>> They can, which is different, know in real time how many people are
>> connected to each tower or antenna. Not the same thing as people in an
>> area, that requires intense calculations, has a cost in hardware and
>> software resources.
>>
>> On the other hand, google/apple can obtain the location of each client,
>> by asking the smartphone itself.
>>
>>>
>>> Early in the panic we were receiving report of on the number of people
>>> violating the shut down order that was based on cell phone traffic.
>
> Sounds like bullshit to me.
>
>
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-03-15/how-covid-has-changed-movement-as-revealed-by-cellphone-data

Several months ago the local TV station was giving reports of people
movements by county.

On 8/12/2021 1:03 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>> Not just in africa either, plenty in Australia don’t bother
>>> with a landline anymore because a cellphone service is
>>> much cheaper and much more useful given that it works
>>> when you aren't at home too.
>
>> For private use landlines are a thing of the past. Millennials
>> and younger do not have have landlines anymore.
>
> Plenty older than that don’t either.
>
>> With landlines the concept is to call a place
>> and hoping that someone picks up the phone.
>
>> Mobile is the concept of calling a specific
>> person irrespective where this person is.
>
> Problem is some dinosaurs leave their cellphone turned off.
Why should I leave my phone on? Mine is turned off unless I want to
call someone, or expect a call from someone. Why should I leave it on
to get a random spam call?

We went to the store this morning and I left my phone at home. Most of
the time it lays on the table in the living room of my house, and since
I turn the ringer to vibrate, I don't know if it rings or not.

In article <sf3o5i$ffa$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> Several months ago the local TV station was giving reports of people
> movements by county.

in the aggregate, not individually.

Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote

>> Yes lots of US threads are of use or interest to others here
>> but this topic was of no use to anyone outside of the US.

> Lately most threads are of little use to anyone.

Depends on which group you are talking about.

> Many or most recent posts have no connection to
> Win10. I guess that says something about Win10.

Not really given what is happening in the other groups.

>>> This is an interesting issue, I think -- minorities
>>> demanding equal representation.

>> The bigger issue is American superiority complex. You should
>> try rereading what you wrote from an external perspective.

> It's simply facts. It has nothing to do with a superiority
> complex. I happen to think that Euro cultures are generally
> healthier and more mature than the US. But the US, since
> WW2, is the super-power. People need to know English.
> No one needs to know French or German. (Much to the
> chagrin of the French. :) That's not bragging. And it's not
> my fault. I didn't make anyone learn English. It's just
> the way things are. Even you see it that way. You just
> described English as a "universal language". If people
> want to be upscale hipsters they need to speak English.

> Ironically, in large part the US is so powerful and
> affects other countries so much because the Germans
> tried to take over the world. If not for that the US
> might still be a country of insular hayseeds.

Unlikely. The US was becoming a world power well
before WW1 with China, Japan, the Philippines etc.

> Instead we're a country of imperialistic hayseeds. :)

The USA is in fact far less imperialistic than europe was.

> | > That's the basis of the current craze in
> | > "critical race theory" in the US. The proposal is that American
> | > society is inherently racist. But it's not. It simply has a culture.
> | > Racism is an element in all people because we all have likes
> | > and dislikes. We all define us and them in various ways. CRT
> | > demands that we eliminate all culture and distinctions. Ironically,
> | > the people making the demands never stop distinguishing
> | > themselves and their subcultures. So be careful what you wish
> | > for. If you demand equal acknowledgement of German culture,
> | > what's to stop a Mongolian from stopping by and demanding
> | > the same? Or a Balian? Will we have to discuss broadcast
> | > standards in Chile or offer "Spanish Language Friday" to Carlos?
> |
> | Would there be anything wrong with that? As long as it's on-topic you
> might
> | actually learn something.
> |
>
> It wouldn't be on-topic. I understand a bit of Spanish. No
> Mongolian. No German. No Balian. (I don't even know what
> language they speak.) Since only the poster would likely
> understand such a post, it would no longer be a discussion.
> (I actually studied Spanish for 4 years, but I've rarely had
> occasion to use it, so I've forgotten. Everyone else speaks
> English!)
>
> That's what I'm trying to clarify: Feeling in the minority is
> not an act of aggression by the majority. It's an expression
> of competitiveness on your part. Imagine being a Syrian,
> Palestinian, or any of the other myriad ethnicities that the
> first world mostly ignores. How often do we think about them?
> How many of us bother to learn their languages? Do you have
> a superior attitude because you don't know about all those
> people? No. We all relate with the world we find ourselves in.

> Why wasn't Germany given to the Jews after WW2?

Because jews were always a small minority there.

> Because Germans are white, with a long history
> in Europe. The land England "gave" to the Jews

They didn’t in fact give anything to the jews. The UN did.

> belonged only to 3rd-world Arabs. So it was "free for the taking"...

In fact the english attempted to stop hordes of jews moving
to Palestine and eventually gave up trying to do that.

> and it's still being taken. And still few are complaining,
> as rich American yuppies from NYC play out their
> roots trip on recently stolen Palestinian land.

> So before you complain about not being top rung
> on the ladder you might want to consider that you
> actually are pretty close to the top.

> | > So, welcome to America. Be sure to see our Eiffel Tower and
> | > Leaning Tower of Pisa. I think they're both in Las Vegas. :)

> | I'll pass. I don't do cheap copies.

> Ah, the famous German sense of humor.

He isn't German.

> Sorry, I should have explained that that was actually
> a mildly self-deprecating joke. It was a way of
> acknowledging the crassness of American culture...
> Never mind... Got any good Mongolian jokes?
>
>

Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote
> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>> On 8/12/2021 9:01 AM, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <20210811193959@news.eternal-september.org> Roger Blake
>>> <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-11, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
>>>>> Because everyone has a phone. Very few people have - or sit in front
>>>>> of
>>>>> all day - a Windows PC.
>>>
>>>> I know people who do no have cell phones.
>>>
>>> And I know people who don't have TVs. So what? The vast majority of
>>> people have both,
>
>
>> That's not my experience. I know more and more people who only have cell
>> phones, and their number keeps growing.
>
>
>>> and nearly everyone has one or the other.
>
>> Except for the very poor, homeless people, yes.
>
> Most the homeless people I see have a cell phone.

How do they charge their cellphones ?

>> I said the original post saying "everyone" is worng
>
> In English words like 'everyone' are understood to mean "very nearly
> everyone" in conversation.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote

>>> That's not my experience. I know more and more people who
>>> only have cell phones, and their number keeps growing.

>>>> and nearly everyone has one or the other.
>>> Except for the very poor, homeless people, yes.
>> Most the homeless people I see have a cell phone.
> many years ago, there was a news report about a homeless
> person who had a cellphone and a laptop, which he recharged
> using mains power outlets found on the outside of buildings,
> and used it to get on the internet and find himself a job.

I managed to end up in Sydney with the battery in my cellphone
flat. Couldn't find anywhere to charge it even in the main central
railway station tho I didn't look all that hard for power points in
the country line waiting rooms used by cleaners etc.

Couldn't find any external power points walking around the
city. Lucked out when I asked someone I stopped in the
street, he told me that the local TAFE, post high school
trade training operation had USB charger outlets in the
big rooms full of computer terminals for the students.

knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>> Not just in africa either, plenty in Australia don’t bother
>>>> with a landline anymore because a cellphone service is
>>>> much cheaper and much more useful given that it works
>>>> when you aren't at home too.

>>> For private use landlines are a thing of the past. Millennials
>>> and younger do not have have landlines anymore.

>> Plenty older than that don’t either.

>>> With landlines the concept is to call a place
>>> and hoping that someone picks up the phone.

>>> Mobile is the concept of calling a specific
>>> person irrespective where this person is.

>> Problem is some dinosaurs leave their cellphone turned off.

> Why should I leave my phone on?

Some of us have people we want to talk to
call us and don’t use the landline anymore
because the cellphone can be used anywhere.

> Mine is turned off unless I want to call someone, or expect a call from
> someone.

It’s a rare day I don’t talk to someone on the phone.
Mostly incoming calls.

> Why should I leave it on to get a random spam call?

Not everyone has no one who ever wants to talk to them.

> We went to the store this morning and I left my phone at home.

I find it more convenient to have the lists of what I need
on my phone and pay for everything using the phone.

> Most of the time it lays on the table in the living room of my house, and
> since I turn the ringer to vibrate, I don't know if it rings or not.

Some of us have moved with the times and do all calls on the cellphone now.

On 8/12/2021 10:03 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>> Not just in africa either, plenty in Australia don’t bother
>>> with a landline anymore because a cellphone service is
>>> much cheaper and much more useful given that it works
>>> when you aren't at home too.
>
>> For private use landlines are a thing of the past. Millennials
>> and younger do not have have landlines anymore.
>
> Plenty older than that don’t either.

Yep, I know many.

>> With landlines the concept is to call a place
>> and hoping that someone picks up the phone.
>
>> Mobile is the concept of calling a specific
>> person irrespective where this person is.
>
> Problem is some dinosaurs leave their cellphone turned off.

I didn't know my wife was a dinosaur, but she does that too.

--
Ken