On 8/12/2021 11:42 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
> knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>>> Not just in africa either, plenty in Australia don’t bother
>>>>> with a landline anymore because a cellphone service is
>>>>> much cheaper and much more useful given that it works
>>>>> when you aren't at home too.
>
>>>> For private use landlines are a thing of the past. Millennials
>>>> and younger do not have have landlines anymore.
>
>>> Plenty older than that don’t either.
>
>>>> With landlines the concept is to call a place
>>>> and hoping that someone picks up the phone.
>
>>>> Mobile is the concept of calling a specific
>>>> person irrespective where this person is.
>
>>> Problem is some dinosaurs leave their cellphone turned off.
>
>> Why should I leave my phone on?
>
> Some of us have people we want to talk to
> call us and don’t use the landline anymore
> because the cellphone can be used anywhere.
>
>> Mine is turned off unless I want to call someone, or expect a call from
>> someone.
>
> It’s a rare day I don’t talk to someone on the phone.
> Mostly incoming calls.

It's a rare day that I talk to someone on my cell phone.

Except for spammers, it's a rare day that I get any calls on my land
line (VoIP).

--
Ken

On 8/12/2021 10:34 AM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <inl22kFa87mU1@mid.individual.net> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>> On 8/12/2021 9:01 AM, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <20210811193959@news.eternal-september.org> Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-11, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
>>>>> Because everyone has a phone. Very few people have - or sit in front of
>>>>> all day - a Windows PC.
>>>
>>>> I know people who do no have cell phones.
>>>
>>> And I know people who don't have TVs. So what? The vast majority of
>>> people have both,
>
>
>> That's not my experience. I know more and more people who only have cell
>> phones, and their number keeps growing.
>
>
>>> and nearly everyone has one or the other.
>
>> Except for the very poor, homeless people, yes.
>
> Most the homeless people I see have a cell phone.

I've never seen a homeless person using a cell phone. I suppose it's
possible that some of them do have one, and I've just never seen a
homeless person using his, but if I were homeless, a cell phone would be
the last place I'd want to spend what little money I had.

>> I said the original post saying "everyone" is worng
>>
> In English words like 'everyone' are understood to mean "very nearly
> everyone" in conversation.

To you, not to me. To me "everyone" means "everyone."

--
Ken

Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>
>>>>>> Not just in africa either, plenty in Australia don’t bother
>>>>>> with a landline anymore because a cellphone service is
>>>>>> much cheaper and much more useful given that it works
>>>>>> when you aren't at home too.
>>
>>>>> For private use landlines are a thing of the past. Millennials
>>>>> and younger do not have have landlines anymore.
>>
>>>> Plenty older than that don’t either.
>>
>>>>> With landlines the concept is to call a place
>>>>> and hoping that someone picks up the phone.
>>
>>>>> Mobile is the concept of calling a specific
>>>>> person irrespective where this person is.
>>
>>>> Problem is some dinosaurs leave their cellphone turned off.
>>
>>> Why should I leave my phone on?
>>
>> Some of us have people we want to talk to
>> call us and don’t use the landline anymore
>> because the cellphone can be used anywhere.
>>
>>> Mine is turned off unless I want to call someone, or expect a call from
>>> someone.
>>
>> It’s a rare day I don’t talk to someone on the phone.
>> Mostly incoming calls.

> It's a rare day that I talk to someone on my cell phone.

> Except for spammers, it's a rare day that I get any calls on my land line
> (VoIP).

Unsurprising given what an obnoxious arsehole you are.

Not all of us are like that.

Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote
> Lewis wrote
>> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote
>>> On 8/12/2021 9:01 AM, Lewis wrote:
>>>> Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote
>>>>> On 2021-08-11, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
>>>>>> Because everyone has a phone. Very few people have - or sit in
>>>>>> front of
>>>>>> all day - a Windows PC.
>>>>
>>>>> I know people who do no have cell phones.
>>>>
>>>> And I know people who don't have TVs. So what? The vast majority of
>>>> people have both,
>>
>>
>>> That's not my experience. I know more and more people who only have cell
>>> phones, and their number keeps growing.
>>
>>
>>>> and nearly everyone has one or the other.
>>
>>> Except for the very poor, homeless people, yes.
>>
>> Most the homeless people I see have a cell phone.

> I've never seen a homeless person using a cell phone. I suppose it's
> possible that some of them do have one, and I've just never seen a
> homeless person using his,

I have only ever seen a couple of homeless people
in my life and one of them I have seen a few times
was quite literally barking out loud at times.

> but if I were homeless, a cell phone would be the last place I'd want to
> spend what little money I had.

Beats walking over to the drug dealer's place.

On 8/12/2021 6:05 AM, Mayayana wrote:
> "knuttle" <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>
> | The biggest problem with a cell phone is that your location is
> | constantly being monitored. Some people worry about privacy and accept
> | the cell phone location monitoring.
> |
>
> That's why I keep mine turned off. But I also just don't
> find that I have much use for it. It's a portable phone booth.
> I don't use apps. I like maps. I certainly don't want people to
> be able to interrupt me, wherever I am -- like getting a
> text message or call while I'm out taking a walk.

I use my cell phone for several things:

1. To read Kindle books.

2. Mostly if I'm not in my home town, to use Google Maps

3. To check the weather

4. To Look something up on Wikipedia

5. To ask Google a question

6. Mostly if I'm not in my home town, to make or confirm restaurant
reservations

7. To change the settings on my thermostat (I rarely need to do this)

8. For Uber (I rarely need to do this)

9. To adjust my hearing aids (I rarely need to do this)

10. As a camera (again, rarely, and only if I'm traveling and don't have
my camera at the moment)

11. As a flashlight (again, rarely)

12. As a compass (again, rarely)

13. The thing for which I most rarely use it is as a telephone.

--
Ken

In article <inlbbkFc4l6U1@mid.individual.net>, Ken Blake
<ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:

> >>> and nearly everyone has one or the other.
> >
> >> Except for the very poor, homeless people, yes.
> >
> > Most the homeless people I see have a cell phone.
>
>
> I've never seen a homeless person using a cell phone.

invalid sample size.

> I suppose it's
> possible that some of them do have one, and I've just never seen a
> homeless person using his, but if I were homeless, a cell phone would be
> the last place I'd want to spend what little money I had.

many of them have money. some aren't actually homeless.

<http://www.mypersonalfinancejourney.com/income-beggars-street-performer
s/>
A 2013 South African study found that beggars could make the
equivalent of $18 per day begging in South Africa.

A 2008 report stated that some Oregon beggars outside a Wal Mart
make $100k per year / $300 per day.

A beggar in Oklahoma City, OK makes $60k per year, or $30 per
hour average.

An actual homeless person who runs a Blogspot blog stated that he
makes between $15-$30 per hour, but it is usually closer to $15 per
hour on average. In addition, he mentions that it is very un-steady
income, meaning that sometimes, he can beg all day and only make $60.

Another article reported that they talked to several local beggars
who said they would make the equivalent of $13 per hour.

> >> I said the original post saying "everyone" is worng
> >>
> > In English words like 'everyone' are understood to mean "very nearly
> > everyone" in conversation.
>
>
> To you, not to me. To me "everyone" means "everyone."

you're the exception.

On 8/12/2021 12:49 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 8/12/2021 6:05 AM, Mayayana wrote:
>> "knuttle" <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>
>> | The biggest problem with a cell phone is that your location is
>> | constantly being monitored. Some people worry about privacy and accept
>> | the cell phone location monitoring.
>> |
>>
>> That's why I keep mine turned off. But I also just don't
>> find that I have much use for it. It's a portable phone booth.
>> I don't use apps. I like maps. I certainly don't want people to
>> be able to interrupt me, wherever I am -- like getting a
>> text message or call while I'm out taking a walk.
>
>
> I use my cell phone for several things:
>
> 1. To read Kindle books.
>
> 2. Mostly if I'm not in my home town, to use Google Maps
>
> 3. To check the weather
>
> 4. To Look something up on Wikipedia
>
> 5. To ask Google a question
>
> 6. Mostly if I'm not in my home town, to make or confirm restaurant
> reservations
>
> 7. To change the settings on my thermostat (I rarely need to do this)
>
> 8. For Uber (I rarely need to do this)
>
> 9. To adjust my hearing aids (I rarely need to do this)
>
> 10. As a camera (again, rarely, and only if I'm traveling and don't have
> my camera at the moment)
>
> 11. As a flashlight (again, rarely)
>
> 12. As a compass (again, rarely)
>
> 13. The thing for which I most rarely use it is as a telephone.

...and 14. To check my e-mail if I'm away on vacation.

--
Ken

On 8/12/2021 8:39 AM, AJL wrote:
> knuttle wrote:
>
>> The biggest problem with a cell phone is that your location is
>> constantly being monitored. Some people worry about privacy and
>> accept the cell phone location monitoring.
>
> What about if the husband does the monitoring? If the wife's out
> shopping and she's late coming home I just bring up Find My iPhone to
> find out where she is. But I don't have to use it all that often because
> my credit card company sends me a text every time she buys something
> giving the store name and amount. Monitoring can be handy but also
> sometimes a bit scary ($$) ..

One other thing I use my phone for and forgot to mention: if I'm away
from home and am delayed coming back, I'll call my land line to tell my
wife when to expect me.

--
Ken

On 12/08/2021 20.24, Rod Speed wrote:
> Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote
>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> Yes lots of US threads are of use or interest to others here
>>> but this topic was of no use to anyone outside of the US.
>
>> Lately most threads are of little use to anyone.
>
> Depends on which group you are talking about.
>
>> Many or most recent posts have no connection to
>> Win10. I guess that says something about Win10.
>
> Not really given what is happening in the other groups.
>
>>>> This is an interesting issue, I think -- minorities
>>>> demanding equal representation.
>
>>> The bigger issue is American superiority complex. You should
>>> try rereading what you wrote from an external perspective.
>
>>  It's simply facts. It has nothing to do with a superiority
>> complex. I happen to think that Euro cultures are generally
>> healthier and more mature than the US. But the US, since
>> WW2, is the super-power. People need to know English.
>> No one needs to know French or German. (Much to the
>> chagrin of the French. :) That's not bragging. And it's not
>> my fault. I didn't make anyone learn English. It's just
>> the way things are. Even you see it that way. You just
>> described English as a "universal language". If people
>> want to be upscale hipsters they need to speak English.
>
>> Ironically, in large part the US is so powerful and
>> affects other countries so much because the Germans
>> tried to take over the world. If not for that the US
>> might still be a country of insular hayseeds.
>
> Unlikely. The US was becoming a world power well
> before WW1 with China, Japan, the Philippines etc.
>
>> Instead we're a country of imperialistic hayseeds. :)
>
> The USA is in fact far less imperialistic than europe was.

I doubt that, it simply takes another form. But these are not the groups
to talk about that.

By the way, you will all have to learn Chinese :-P

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 8/12/2021 12:40 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>
>>>>>>> Not just in africa either, plenty in Australia don’t bother
>>>>>>> with a landline anymore because a cellphone service is
>>>>>>> much cheaper and much more useful given that it works
>>>>>>> when you aren't at home too.
>>>
>>>>>> For private use landlines are a thing of the past. Millennials
>>>>>> and younger do not have have landlines anymore.
>>>
>>>>> Plenty older than that don’t either.
>>>
>>>>>> With landlines the concept is to call a place
>>>>>> and hoping that someone picks up the phone.
>>>
>>>>>> Mobile is the concept of calling a specific
>>>>>> person irrespective where this person is.
>>>
>>>>> Problem is some dinosaurs leave their cellphone turned off.
>>>
>>>> Why should I leave my phone on?
>>>
>>> Some of us have people we want to talk to
>>> call us and don’t use the landline anymore
>>> because the cellphone can be used anywhere.
>>>
>>>> Mine is turned off unless I want to call someone, or expect a call from
>>>> someone.
>>>
>>> It’s a rare day I don’t talk to someone on the phone.
>>> Mostly incoming calls.
>
>> It's a rare day that I talk to someone on my cell phone.
>
>> Except for spammers, it's a rare day that I get any calls on my land line
>> (VoIP).
>
> Unsurprising given what an obnoxious arsehole you are.
>
> Not all of us are like that.

I'm not sure what I did to give you that opinion of me, but I don't
care. I'm putting you in my killfile, so feel free to insult me as much
more as you want to; I won't see it.

--
Ken

On 08/12/2021 06:02 AM, Mayayana wrote:

> I keep a cellphone in my glove
> compartment but only turn it on to make calls. I know I get
> robocalls and messages, despite never giving out the number,
> but I ignore them. (For some reason most of the robocalls
> seem to feature women speaking Chinese very fast.)

She's informing you that there are problems with your immigration
documents. You (like me) must have an area code with a large number of
Chinese.

--
Cheers, Bev
"When I was a kid my dad once joked that the best way to
prevent being on a plane with someone carrying a bomb
would be to bring your own bomb and not detonate it.
Sounded convincing. What are the odds that two people
board, each with a bomb?" -- Rowdy

On 12/08/2021 21.33, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 8/12/2021 10:34 AM, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <inl22kFa87mU1@mid.individual.net> Ken Blake
>> <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/12/2021 9:01 AM, Lewis wrote:
>>>> In message <20210811193959@news.eternal-september.org> Roger Blake
>>>> <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-08-11, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
>>>>>> Because everyone has a phone.   Very few people have - or sit in
>>>>>> front of
>>>>>> all day - a Windows PC.  
>>>>
>>>>> I know people who do no have cell phones.
>>>>
>>>> And I know people who don't have TVs. So what? The vast majority of
>>>> people have both,
>>
>>
>>> That's not my experience. I know more and more people who only have
>>> cell phones, and their number keeps growing.
>>
>>
>>>> and nearly everyone has one or the other.
>>
>>> Except for the very poor, homeless people, yes.
>>
>> Most the homeless people I see have a cell phone.
>
>
> I've never seen a homeless person using a cell phone. I suppose it's
> possible that some of them do have one, and I've just never seen a
> homeless person using his, but if I were homeless, a cell phone would be
> the last place I'd want to spend what little money I had.

The boat people crossing the Atlantic or the Mediterranean to Europe are
homeless and they often have a phone. That's how they ask for rescue
when the gasoline or the motor in the boat gives up.

I don't know if they have smartphones or plain phones. A plain phone
battery can last a week being on full day. A smartphone on the other
hand has a GPS, which they need to cross the sea and possibly the land.
They don't have to have it on all day, though.

Not all of them, of course.

>>> I said the original post saying "everyone" is worng
>>>
>> In English words like 'everyone' are understood to mean "very nearly
>> everyone" in conversation.
>
>
> To you, not to me. To me "everyone" means "everyone."

To me too.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 12/08/2021 17.17, Mayayana wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>
> | > <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Push_API>
> | > The Push API gives web applications the ability to receive messages
> | > pushed to them from a server, whether or not the web app is in the
> | > foreground, or even currently loaded, on a user agent. This lets
> | > developers deliver asynchronous notifications and updates to users
> | > that opt in, resulting in better engagement with timely new content.
> |
> | Not exactly; the client must initiate and stay connected to somewhere to
> | receive those.
>
> Yes. It's a very creepy and rather misleading system.
> It relies on "service workers" which are javascript files. I haven't
> looked into it deeply, but as near as I can tell it's basically just
> an undisplayed browser page load that loads when the browser
> opens and stays loaded for as long as the browser is open,
> using javascript to connect with the web app server.
>
> So if you allow this then you accumulate a collection of
> these scripted webpages that are all loaded invisibly when
> FF starts up.

Does Ff have a way to list them, see what resources they use?

similar to "about:performance" would be nice.

> For example, you decide you'd like to allow Google Docs to
> push you. They then send you javascript code and a URL.
> When FF loads it then loads that URL, effectively maintaining
> an open connection. That allows Google to pop up a message
> like, "Hey, Carlos, wouldn't you rather be writing a Google
> Doc right now?" The messaging would be handled by the browser.
>
> So it's actually not, in any respect, a push function. But it
> appears that way to the enduser. And since so
> many people now just leave their browser open, that can even
> appear to be a direct call that's received by a receptive service.
>
> Push can be disabled in prefs. I also like to set
> network.http.keep-alive to false, to generally cut the
> connection with any webpage once the page files have
> been downloaded.

I don't have them disabled, but I never accept any page that asks.

> I seem to remember that Mozilla was also going to set
> up a subscription message service, that would allow for
> polling a Mozilla URL where messages from commercial
> entities could be stored, waiting for pick-up:
> "Today only! Sheets and towels on sale today at Amazon!"
>
> But I'm not clear about that. I haven't paid much
> attention, except to make sure I have it all disabled. But
> I have noticed there are two separate prefs:
>
> services.push.enabled
> dom.webnotifications.enabled
>
>

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 08/12/2021 12:54 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 12/08/2021 20.24, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote
....
>>> Instead we're a country of imperialistic hayseeds. :)
>>
>> The USA is in fact far less imperialistic than europe was.
>
> I doubt that, it simply takes another form. But these are not the groups
> to talk about that.

I think we're insular rather than imperialistic. We don't NEED to learn
foreign languages, especially since the Brits already planted English
all over the world.

> By the way, you will all have to learn Chinese :-P

We tried. Honest. When I tried using google translate to guess what
Mandarin word I just said, 9 out of 10 times it guessed wrong. That's
discouraging. I now realize that in real life the intonation doesn't
have to be perfect, that context matters a lot -- just like in English,
but the motivation is gone. Plus even pinyan is a problem -- I have to
use stronger reading glasses to recognize the diacritical marks :-( I
also tried to learn Italian via Duolingo, which is a VERY good site, but
it just seemed like too much trouble for something that I really didn't
need.

Stuff like that doesn't matter while you're in school, and languages are
a lot easier when you're a grandchild rather than a grandma :-(

--
Cheers, Bev
"When I was a kid my dad once joked that the best way to
prevent being on a plane with someone carrying a bomb
would be to bring your own bomb and not detonate it.
Sounded convincing. What are the odds that two people
board, each with a bomb?" -- Rowdy

On 2021-08-12 19:33:06 +0000, Ken Blake said:

> On 8/12/2021 10:34 AM, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <inl22kFa87mU1@mid.individual.net> Ken Blake
>> <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/12/2021 9:01 AM, Lewis wrote:
>>>> In message <20210811193959@news.eternal-september.org> Roger Blake
>>>> <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-08-11, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
>>>>>> Because everyone has a phone. Very few people have - or sit in front of
>>>>>> all day - a Windows PC.
>>>>
>>>>> I know people who do no have cell phones.
>>>>
>>>> And I know people who don't have TVs. So what? The vast majority of
>>>> people have both,
>>
>>
>>> That's not my experience. I know more and more people who only have
>>> cell phones, and their number keeps growing.
>>
>>
>>>> and nearly everyone has one or the other.
>>
>>> Except for the very poor, homeless people, yes.
>>
>> Most the homeless people I see have a cell phone.
>
> I've never seen a homeless person using a cell phone. I suppose it's
> possible that some of them do have one, and I've just never seen a
> homeless person using his, but if I were homeless, a cell phone would
> be the last place I'd want to spend what little money I had.

There are a few "homeless" people are just scammers. They get up at the
end of a "hard day's work" conning people into giving them money, walk
around the corner, and drive off in a brand new Mercedes. :-\

On 12/08/2021 15.02, Mayayana wrote:
> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote
>
> | > Yes. I meant that the local city calls listed landlines.
> | > They have no way to know cellphone numbers owned
> | > by people in the city. I just get a bot voicemail on my
> | > landline.
> |
> | The provider still knows the number, it's simply not listed for
> | *public* to see anywhere.
> |
> This is getting unnecessarily complicated. The local city
> calls landlines. It has nothing to do with providers. They
> call listed numbers. It's not like providers being forced to
> contact every customer. It's just a computer
> dialing phone numbers.
>
> | Besides, our landline number is unlisted, but we still get the
> | occacional random-dialled phone calls (usually robocalls) from idiots
> | trying sell something.
> |
> Yes, but that will be because they're calling random
> numbers or got your number from some list. It's not
> easy to keep your number off such lists. My number is
> listed but I don't get many spam calls. Why? Because
> I never share my number unless it's necessary.
>
> In other words, there are two different issues here.
> One is gov't enlisting providers to message every cellphone
> customer. The other situation, with landlines, is just
> a case of computers making thousands of phone calls.
>
> | Cellphone can easily broadcast an emergency signal to all cellphones on
> | their network at the same time and the cellphone plays it without being
> | actually "answered" by the user.
> |
> | Landline providers could do something similar, but due to the way
> | copper works, it would need robocalls and users actually answering the
> | phone, as well as taking too long to be worthwhile.
> |
> Yes, and I'm grateful for that. I expect it won't be long
> before your cellphone is sreaming at you about the sale at
> your local car dealership.
>
> | > Good point. And in many states it's now illegal to use
> | > handheld devices while driving.
> |
> | It screams a loud alert noise, which would be enough to startle some
> | people, so it's not just the using / answering the cellphone that is
> | the only problem with it.
> |
> Really? I didn't know that. That's very intrusive.

I got one such presidential alert when I was visiting Ottawa.
2018-09-21. Scared me shit. It was a tornado warning.

The only one I got in my life.

It was scary in many ways, one of them was "The president warning me, a
visitor! What, I don't have a president"

The fact that it called "Presidential alert" is disgusting to me, by the
way.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 12/08/2021 15.56, nospam wrote:
> In article <sf366b$bc6$1@dont-email.me>, Mayayana
> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>
>> | It screams a loud alert noise, which would be enough to startle some
>> | people, so it's not just the using / answering the cellphone that is
>> | the only problem with it.
>> |
>> Really? I didn't know that. That's very intrusive.
>
> it's wrong. he has said many times that he doesn't own a cellphone.
>
> the phone will beep whatever ringtone you choose, at whatever volume
> you set it to, or vibrate.
>
> the phone can also be put into do not disturb mode.
>
> smartphones can tell if someone is driving and automatically do that,
> although that often falses for passengers and most people turn it off.
>

I don't think a presidential alert obeys "do not disturb" or "driving"
modes. It would be against purpose.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote
>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>> Yes lots of US threads are of use or interest to others here
>>>> but this topic was of no use to anyone outside of the US.
>>
>>> Lately most threads are of little use to anyone.
>>
>> Depends on which group you are talking about.
>>
>>> Many or most recent posts have no connection to
>>> Win10. I guess that says something about Win10.
>>
>> Not really given what is happening in the other groups.
>>
>>>>> This is an interesting issue, I think -- minorities
>>>>> demanding equal representation.
>>
>>>> The bigger issue is American superiority complex. You should
>>>> try rereading what you wrote from an external perspective.
>>
>>> It's simply facts. It has nothing to do with a superiority
>>> complex. I happen to think that Euro cultures are generally
>>> healthier and more mature than the US. But the US, since
>>> WW2, is the super-power. People need to know English.
>>> No one needs to know French or German. (Much to the
>>> chagrin of the French. :) That's not bragging. And it's not
>>> my fault. I didn't make anyone learn English. It's just
>>> the way things are. Even you see it that way. You just
>>> described English as a "universal language". If people
>>> want to be upscale hipsters they need to speak English.
>>
>>> Ironically, in large part the US is so powerful and
>>> affects other countries so much because the Germans
>>> tried to take over the world. If not for that the US
>>> might still be a country of insular hayseeds.
>>
>> Unlikely. The US was becoming a world power well
>> before WW1 with China, Japan, the Philippines etc.
>>
>>> Instead we're a country of imperialistic hayseeds. :)
>>
>> The USA is in fact far less imperialistic than europe was.
>
> I doubt that, it simply takes another form.

No it doesn’t, they get no say in what happens in other countrys.

They didn’t even get any say in what happened in Afghanistan for long.

> By the way, you will all have to learn Chinese :-P

Nope, they learn english.

Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not just in africa either, plenty in Australia don’t bother
>>>>>>>> with a landline anymore because a cellphone service is
>>>>>>>> much cheaper and much more useful given that it works
>>>>>>>> when you aren't at home too.
>>>>
>>>>>>> For private use landlines are a thing of the past. Millennials
>>>>>>> and younger do not have have landlines anymore.
>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty older than that don’t either.
>>>>
>>>>>>> With landlines the concept is to call a place
>>>>>>> and hoping that someone picks up the phone.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Mobile is the concept of calling a specific
>>>>>>> person irrespective where this person is.
>>>>
>>>>>> Problem is some dinosaurs leave their cellphone turned off.
>>>>
>>>>> Why should I leave my phone on?
>>>>
>>>> Some of us have people we want to talk to
>>>> call us and don’t use the landline anymore
>>>> because the cellphone can be used anywhere.
>>>>
>>>>> Mine is turned off unless I want to call someone, or expect a call
>>>>> from someone.
>>>>
>>>> It’s a rare day I don’t talk to someone on the phone.
>>>> Mostly incoming calls.
>>
>>> It's a rare day that I talk to someone on my cell phone.
>>
>>> Except for spammers, it's a rare day that I get any calls on my land
>>> line (VoIP).
>>
>> Unsurprising given what an obnoxious arsehole you are.
>>
>> Not all of us are like that.

> I'm not sure what I did to give you that opinion of me,

That line you keep running about all the left should be rounded up and
exterminated.

> but I don't care. I'm putting you in my killfile, so feel free to insult
> me as much more as you want to; I won't see it.

You will see this.

On 12/08/2021 21.49, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 8/12/2021 6:05 AM, Mayayana wrote:
>> "knuttle" <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>
>> | The biggest problem with a cell phone is that your location is
>> | constantly being monitored.   Some people worry about privacy and
>> accept
>> | the cell phone location monitoring.
>> |
>>
>>    That's why I keep mine turned off. But I also just don't
>> find that I have much use for it. It's a portable phone booth.
>> I don't use apps. I like maps. I certainly don't want people to
>> be able to interrupt me, wherever I am -- like getting a
>> text message or call while I'm out taking a walk.
>
>
> I use my cell phone for several things:
>
> 1. To read Kindle books.
>
> 2. Mostly if I'm not in my home town, to use Google Maps
>
> 3. To check the weather
>
> 4. To Look something up on Wikipedia
>
> 5. To ask Google a question
>
> 6. Mostly if I'm not in my home town, to make or confirm restaurant
> reservations
>
> 7. To change the settings on my thermostat (I rarely need to do this)
>
> 8. For Uber (I rarely need to do this)
>
> 9. To adjust my hearing aids  (I rarely need to do this)
>
> 10. As a camera (again, rarely, and only if I'm traveling and don't have
> my camera at the moment)
>
> 11. As a flashlight  (again, rarely)
>
> 12.  As a compass  (again, rarely)
>
> 13. The thing for which I most rarely use it is as a telephone.
>

:-D

Same here.

Well, not the exact same list, but rough approximation :-)

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 12/08/2021 18.29, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 12.08.21 um 02:29 schrieb Rod Speed:
>> Not just in africa either, plenty in Australia don’t bother
>> with a landline anymore because a cellphone service is
>> much cheaper and much more useful given that it works
>> when you aren't at home too.
>
> For private use landlines are a thing of the past. Millennials and
> younger do not have have landlines anymore.

Over here they do, if they have their own home.

You simply can not have broadband internet (cable or fibre) without a
landline, because the providers refuse. There is no technical issue,
simply that they refuse.

And broadband internet they often want to have.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 12/08/2021 22.28, Rod Speed wrote:
> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote
>>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>> Yes lots of US threads are of use or interest to others here
>>>>> but this topic was of no use to anyone outside of the US.
>>>
>>>> Lately most threads are of little use to anyone.
>>>
>>> Depends on which group you are talking about.
>>>
>>>> Many or most recent posts have no connection to
>>>> Win10. I guess that says something about Win10.
>>>
>>> Not really given what is happening in the other groups.
>>>
>>>>>> This is an interesting issue, I think -- minorities
>>>>>> demanding equal representation.
>>>
>>>>> The bigger issue is American superiority complex. You should
>>>>> try rereading what you wrote from an external perspective.
>>>
>>>>  It's simply facts. It has nothing to do with a superiority
>>>> complex. I happen to think that Euro cultures are generally
>>>> healthier and more mature than the US. But the US, since
>>>> WW2, is the super-power. People need to know English.
>>>> No one needs to know French or German. (Much to the
>>>> chagrin of the French. :) That's not bragging. And it's not
>>>> my fault. I didn't make anyone learn English. It's just
>>>> the way things are. Even you see it that way. You just
>>>> described English as a "universal language". If people
>>>> want to be upscale hipsters they need to speak English.
>>>
>>>> Ironically, in large part the US is so powerful and
>>>> affects other countries so much because the Germans
>>>> tried to take over the world. If not for that the US
>>>> might still be a country of insular hayseeds.
>>>
>>> Unlikely. The US was becoming a world power well
>>> before WW1 with China, Japan, the Philippines etc.
>>>
>>>> Instead we're a country of imperialistic hayseeds. :)
>>>
>>> The USA is in fact far less imperialistic than europe was.
>>
>> I doubt that, it simply takes another form.
>
> No it doesn’t, they get no say in what happens in other countrys.
>
> They didn’t even get any say in what happened in Afghanistan for long.
>
>> By the way, you will all have to learn Chinese :-P
>
> Nope, they learn english.

See? That proves you are imperialistic.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

Am 12.08.21 um 21:53 schrieb Ken Blake:
> One other thing I use my phone for and forgot to mention: if I'm away
> from home and am delayed coming back, I'll call my land line to tell my
> wife when to expect me.

Analogue geolocation the old style.
More accurate and more personal ...

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De gustibus non est disputandum

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
> Joerg Lorenz wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote

>>> Not just in africa either, plenty in Australia don’t bother
>>> with a landline anymore because a cellphone service is
>>> much cheaper and much more useful given that it works
>>> when you aren't at home too.

>> For private use landlines are a thing of the past. Millennials
>> and younger do not have have landlines anymore.

> Over here they do, if they have their own home.

But it less clear how many even bother
to have a landline phone plugged into it.

> You simply can not have broadband internet (cable or fibre)
> without a landline, because the providers refuse. There is
> no technical issue, simply that they refuse.

Most of ours don’t bother to plug a phone into the
landline anymore, use the cellphones for everything.

> And broadband internet they often want to have.

But that doesn’t have to be done with cable or fiber anymore.

Plenty just use their cellphone.

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote
>>>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> Yes lots of US threads are of use or interest to others here
>>>>>> but this topic was of no use to anyone outside of the US.
>>>>
>>>>> Lately most threads are of little use to anyone.
>>>>
>>>> Depends on which group you are talking about.
>>>>
>>>>> Many or most recent posts have no connection to
>>>>> Win10. I guess that says something about Win10.
>>>>
>>>> Not really given what is happening in the other groups.
>>>>
>>>>>>> This is an interesting issue, I think -- minorities
>>>>>>> demanding equal representation.
>>>>
>>>>>> The bigger issue is American superiority complex. You should
>>>>>> try rereading what you wrote from an external perspective.
>>>>
>>>>> It's simply facts. It has nothing to do with a superiority
>>>>> complex. I happen to think that Euro cultures are generally
>>>>> healthier and more mature than the US. But the US, since
>>>>> WW2, is the super-power. People need to know English.
>>>>> No one needs to know French or German. (Much to the
>>>>> chagrin of the French. :) That's not bragging. And it's not
>>>>> my fault. I didn't make anyone learn English. It's just
>>>>> the way things are. Even you see it that way. You just
>>>>> described English as a "universal language". If people
>>>>> want to be upscale hipsters they need to speak English.
>>>>
>>>>> Ironically, in large part the US is so powerful and
>>>>> affects other countries so much because the Germans
>>>>> tried to take over the world. If not for that the US
>>>>> might still be a country of insular hayseeds.
>>>>
>>>> Unlikely. The US was becoming a world power well
>>>> before WW1 with China, Japan, the Philippines etc.
>>>>
>>>>> Instead we're a country of imperialistic hayseeds. :)
>>>>
>>>> The USA is in fact far less imperialistic than europe was.
>>>
>>> I doubt that, it simply takes another form.
>>
>> No it doesn’t, they get no say in what happens in other countrys.
>>
>> They didn’t even get any say in what happened in Afghanistan for long.
>>
>>> By the way, you will all have to learn Chinese :-P
>>
>> Nope, they learn english.
>
> See? That proves you are imperialistic.

That’s not what imperialistic means. I realise that english isn't your first
language.

And I'm not american either.