On Nov 15, 2022, Bob Campbell wrote
(in article<news:uGWdnUv2Zd4k-en-nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@supernews.com>):

> The facts remain. Apple is selling loads of high-quality products that
> people actually line up to buy. Thus, they make huge profits.

There are many pyramid schemes making billions off innocent victims.

> Thus, investor confidence has never been higher.

Even the SEC had decades of high investor confidence in Bernie Madoff.

> Thus, Apple is the
> highest-valued company in the history of Wall Street.

So was Enron.

Ron, the humblest guy in town.

On Nov 16, 2022, nospam wrote
(in article<news:161120221025096842%nospam@nospam.invalid>):

>> Apple is structured to be pretty insulated from competition,
>
> apple has intense competition, including from windows, android,
> smartwatches, video streaming and various other segments.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-ceo-tim-cook-being-very-deliberate-on-hiring-economic-uncertainty/

Apple, the world's most valuable company, has slowed some hiring, according
to CEO Tim Cook, amid a wave of layoffs in Silicon Valley and an
unpredictable economic future.

Ron, the humblest guy in town.

In article <1xwz3cg3e9ykp.dlg@news.solani.org>, RonTheGuy
<ron@null.invalid> wrote:

>
> > The facts remain. Apple is selling loads of high-quality products that
> > people actually line up to buy. Thus, they make huge profits.
>
> There are many pyramid schemes making billions off innocent victims.

apple is not in any way a pyramid scheme.

In article <qlfoxvgn1bj1.dlg@news.solani.org>, RonTheGuy
<ron@null.invalid> wrote:

>
> >> Apple is structured to be pretty insulated from competition,
> >
> > apple has intense competition, including from windows, android,
> > smartwatches, video streaming and various other segments.
>
>
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-ceo-tim-cook-being-very-deliberate-on-hirin
> g-economic-uncertainty/
>
> Apple, the world's most valuable company, has slowed some hiring, according
> to CEO Tim Cook, amid a wave of layoffs in Silicon Valley and an
> unpredictable economic future.

that is entirely unrelated to what you quoted above.

On 16 Nov 2022 at 7:25:10 AM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> Aren't iOS devices marketed exclusively to people who don't know much and
>> who then want Apple to make all their decisions for them to protect them?
>
> nope. not even close to correct.

If you don't know by now iPhones cater to the clueless, then it's you who
is clueless.

The iPhone appeals to clueless people who want Apple to make all their
decisions for them.

People buy the iPhone because Apple makes them feel safe when they do.
--
Cheers, Rob

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <qlfoxvgn1bj1.dlg@news.solani.org>, RonTheGuy
> <ron@null.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>>> Apple is structured to be pretty insulated from competition,
>>>
>>> apple has intense competition, including from windows, android,
>>> smartwatches, video streaming and various other segments.
>>
>>
>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-ceo-tim-cook-being-very-deliberate-on-hirin
>> g-economic-uncertainty/
>>
>> Apple, the world's most valuable company, has slowed some hiring, according
>> to CEO Tim Cook, amid a wave of layoffs in Silicon Valley and an
>> unpredictable economic future.
>
> that is entirely unrelated to what you quoted above.

Once again, a link is posted that does not support the claim.

On 2022-11-16 07:14, RJH wrote:
> On 16 Nov 2022 at 8:49:06 AM, <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>> And the truth is also: there are lots and lots of people much dumber
>> than bread who choose to use Apple's devices.
>
> Aren't iOS devices marketed exclusively to people who don't know much and
> who then want Apple to make all their decisions for them to protect them?

Ah.

The "I need to feel superior" argument!

On 2022-11-16 07:27, RonTheGuy wrote:
> On Nov 15, 2022, Bob Campbell wrote
> (in article<news:uGWdnUv2Zd4k-en-nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@supernews.com>):
>
>> The facts remain. Apple is selling loads of high-quality products that
>> people actually line up to buy. Thus, they make huge profits.
>
> There are many pyramid schemes making billions off innocent victims.

There might be...

....but Apple's products sell well because they clearly work well for its
customers.

On 2022-11-16 07:30, RonTheGuy wrote:
> On Nov 16, 2022, nospam wrote
> (in article<news:161120221025096842%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
>
>>> Apple is structured to be pretty insulated from competition,
>>
>> apple has intense competition, including from windows, android,
>> smartwatches, video streaming and various other segments.
>
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-ceo-tim-cook-being-very-deliberate-on-hiring-economic-uncertainty/
>
> Apple, the world's most valuable company, has slowed some hiring, according
> to CEO Tim Cook, amid a wave of layoffs in Silicon Valley and an
> unpredictable economic future.

Trying hard to see any relevance to this conversation in that statement.

Nope!

On 2022-11-16 07:36, RJH wrote:
> On 16 Nov 2022 at 7:25:10 AM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Aren't iOS devices marketed exclusively to people who don't know much and
>>> who then want Apple to make all their decisions for them to protect them?
>>
>> nope. not even close to correct.
>
> If you don't know by now iPhones cater to the clueless, then it's you who
> is clueless.

The "I need to feel superior" argument!

>
> The iPhone appeals to clueless people who want Apple to make all their
> decisions for them.
>
> People buy the iPhone because Apple makes them feel safe when they do.

People buy the iPhone because it works well for them.

On 2022-11-16, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <qlfoxvgn1bj1.dlg@news.solani.org>, RonTheGuy
>> <ron@null.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Apple is structured to be pretty insulated from competition,
>>>>
>>>> apple has intense competition, including from windows, android,
>>>> smartwatches, video streaming and various other segments.
>>>
>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-ceo-tim-cook-being-very-deliberate-on-hirin
>>> g-economic-uncertainty/
>>>
>>> Apple, the world's most valuable company, has slowed some hiring, according
>>> to CEO Tim Cook, amid a wave of layoffs in Silicon Valley and an
>>> unpredictable economic future.
>>
>> that is entirely unrelated to what you quoted above.
>
> Once again, a link is posted that does not support the claim.

Ah, yes. But it's a link, you see, and any link will do!

--
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JR

On 2022-11-16, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2022-11-16 07:14, RJH wrote:
>> On 16 Nov 2022 at 8:49:06 AM, <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>
>>> And the truth is also: there are lots and lots of people much dumber
>>> than bread who choose to use Apple's devices.
>>
>> Aren't iOS devices marketed exclusively to people who don't know much and
>> who then want Apple to make all their decisions for them to protect them?
>
> Ah.
>
> The "I need to feel superior" argument!

You should see his old, crufty books!

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

On 11/16/2022 7:30 AM, RonTheGuy wrote:
> On Nov 16, 2022, nospam wrote
> (in article<news:161120221025096842%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
>
>>> Apple is structured to be pretty insulated from competition,
>>
>> apple has intense competition, including from windows, android,
>> smartwatches, video streaming and various other segments.
>
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-ceo-tim-cook-being-very-deliberate-on-hiring-economic-uncertainty/
>
> Apple, the world's most valuable company, has slowed some hiring, according
> to CEO Tim Cook, amid a wave of layoffs in Silicon Valley and an
> unpredictable economic future.

You can see how insulated Apple is from competition by the extremely low
migration rate to Android. Android's market share is between 70% and 75%
while iOS's market share is between 25% and 30%. It varies slightly from
quarter to quarter based on when the major players release new models.

The same applies now to Macs where new application programs are written
for the M1 so once you buy applications you're not likely to move
between platforms.

Recently I was needing an open-source video editor and Kdenlive is
available for Linux, Windows, and Intel-based Macs, see
<https://kdenlive.org/en/download/>. If you have an M1 based Mac then
you would need to purchase something like Final Cut Pro. Once you
purchase expensive applications for a Mac you're unlikely to move to a
Windows-based platform.

In article <tl3q94$2esrm$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> You can see how insulated Apple is from competition by the extremely low
> migration rate to Android.

that's not insulation.

> Android's market share is between 70% and 75%
> while iOS's market share is between 25% and 30%. It varies slightly from
> quarter to quarter based on when the major players release new models.

that's substantial competition.

> The same applies now to Macs where new application programs are written
> for the M1 so once you buy applications you're not likely to move
> between platforms.

new apps are universal and run on both intel macs and apple silicon
macs (which includes more than just m1).

intel macs have been around for more than 15 years. it would be
incredibly foolish to release an app that is exclusively apple silicon
unless there is a technical reason which prevents it from working at
all on intel.

some apps are cross-platform and run on both mac and windows, such as
photoshop.

> Recently I was needing an open-source video editor and Kdenlive is
> available for Linux, Windows, and Intel-based Macs, see
> <https://kdenlive.org/en/download/>. If you have an M1 based Mac then
> you would need to purchase something like Final Cut Pro.

as usual, wrong.

<https://kdenlive.org/en/2022/05/kdenlive-22-04-released/>
Besides the improvements to the Windows and macOS versions,
Kdenlive is now runs on Apple¹s M1 architecture and includes initial
support for full range 10-bit color on all platforms...

a better option is apple's own imovie, which is free and more than
sufficient for non-pro video work, which would include whatever you're
supposedly editing.

> Once you
> purchase expensive applications for a Mac you're unlikely to move to a
> Windows-based platform.

that applies to any platform, and doesn't support your claim.

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> You can see how insulated Apple is from competition by the extremely low
> migration rate to Android. Android's market share is between 70% and 75%
> while iOS's market share is between 25% and 30%. It varies slightly from
> quarter to quarter based on when the major players release new models.

In the U.S. it is iOS 54%, Android 45%.

On 11/16/2022 4:20 PM, Bob Campbell wrote:
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> You can see how insulated Apple is from competition by the extremely low
>> migration rate to Android. Android's market share is between 70% and 75%
>> while iOS's market share is between 25% and 30%. It varies slightly from
>> quarter to quarter based on when the major players release new models.
>
> In the U.S. it is iOS 54%, Android 45%.

Thank goodness! Need to get those numbers up in the rest of the world.
China is the real challenge.

The iPhone 15, if it has USB-C, is predicted to result in both an
upgrade super-cycle for existing iPhone owners as well as a small
increase in Android users moving to iOS.

There's also a rumor that the Pro Ultra will have a 10x optical
periscope lens similar to the Galaxy S22 Ultra. Camera capability is a
big factor in the reluctance of some Android users to move to iPhone.

On 2022-11-16 15:04, sms wrote:
> On 11/16/2022 7:30 AM, RonTheGuy wrote:
>> On Nov 16, 2022, nospam wrote
>> (in article<news:161120221025096842%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
>>
>>>> Apple is structured to be pretty insulated from competition,
>>>
>>> apple has intense competition, including from windows, android,
>>> smartwatches, video streaming and various other segments.
>>
>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-ceo-tim-cook-being-very-deliberate-on-hiring-economic-uncertainty/
>>
>> Apple, the world's most valuable company, has slowed some hiring,
>> according
>> to CEO Tim Cook, amid a wave of layoffs in Silicon Valley and an
>> unpredictable economic future.
>
> You can see how insulated Apple is from competition by the extremely low
> migration rate to Android. Android's market share is between 70% and 75%
> while iOS's market share is between 25% and 30%. It varies slightly from
> quarter to quarter based on when the major players release new models.

Which indicates extremely high satisfaction with Apple's iOS products.

>
> The same applies now to Macs where new application programs are written
> for the M1 so once you buy applications you're not likely to move
> between platforms.

Only assuming that developers can't create versions of the same software
for M1 Macs and Intel PCs...

....which is completely ignorant.

>
> Recently I was needing an open-source video editor and Kdenlive is
> available for Linux, Windows, and Intel-based Macs, see
> <https://kdenlive.org/en/download/>. If you have an M1 based Mac then
> you would need to purchase something like Final Cut Pro. Once you
> purchase expensive applications for a Mac you're unlikely to move to a
> Windows-based platform.

In article <tl42ac$2fjul$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> >> You can see how insulated Apple is from competition by the extremely low
> >> migration rate to Android. Android's market share is between 70% and 75%
> >> while iOS's market share is between 25% and 30%. It varies slightly from
> >> quarter to quarter based on when the major players release new models.
> >
> > In the U.S. it is iOS 54%, Android 45%.
>
> Thank goodness! Need to get those numbers up in the rest of the world.

there is no such need.

> China is the real challenge.

wrong.

iphones are already selling quite well in china.

<https://9to5mac.com/2022/10/27/iphone-shipments-2/>
A new market intelligence report says that iPhone shipments grew
36% year-on-year in China in Q3, while all other major brands saw
theirs fall between 16% and 27%.
....
³Apple saw remarkable growth in Mainland China in Q3,² said Canalys
Analyst Amber Liu. ³Its annual launch is highly anticipated by
consumers and channels and strong demand for the iPhone 14 Pro
series contributed to Apple¹s overall performance.²

<https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/08/24/apples-iphone-dominant-in-ch
ina-samsung-falls-out-of-second-place>
New sales date from the second quarter of 2022 shows that Apple's
iPhone remains the best-selling smartphone in China, and local rival
Vivo has overtaken Samsung for second place.

The iPhone is consistently the most popular smartphone in China, with
half of all smartphones sold during the 6.18 Festival being Apple's.
Now Counterpoint Research claims that Apple has kept that strong
lead, but local rivals are making the list of top ten vendors change.

> The iPhone 15, if it has USB-C, is predicted to result in both an
> upgrade super-cycle for existing iPhone owners as well as a small
> increase in Android users moving to iOS.

usb-c will not cause a 'super-cycle', especially since the iphone 14
family is already in one.

> There's also a rumor that the Pro Ultra will have a 10x optical
> periscope lens similar to the Galaxy S22 Ultra. Camera capability is a
> big factor in the reluctance of some Android users to move to iPhone.

there are all sorts of rumours. most turn out to be bogus.

you're not savvy enough to know which ones have merit and which are
random ramblings.

there is also very little reluctance for android users to switch from
android to iphone. according to apple, the rate of switching continues
to increase. the reverse, ios->android is far lower.

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 11/16/2022 4:20 PM, Bob Campbell wrote:
>> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>> You can see how insulated Apple is from competition by the extremely low
>>> migration rate to Android. Android's market share is between 70% and 75%
>>> while iOS's market share is between 25% and 30%. It varies slightly from
>>> quarter to quarter based on when the major players release new models.
>>
>> In the U.S. it is iOS 54%, Android 45%.
>
> Thank goodness! Need to get those numbers up in the rest of the world.
> China is the real challenge.

The numbers ARE up in the rest of the world. 5 years ago iOS was at 20%
globally.

But I really don’t think Apple cares about that. It would take $150
iPhones to take over markets like China and India. Apple is not
interested in competing at the low end. In fact, in Apple’s 45 year
history, they never have competed at the low end.

This is why phone app developers make 80% of their money from iOS app
sales. The vast majority of Android phones in use globally are low end
models, where users are not interested/can’t afford to buy apps.

In article <rAOdnRZzF9EmCuj-nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@supernews.com>, Bob
Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:

> >>
> >> In the U.S. it is iOS 54%, Android 45%.
> >
> > Thank goodness! Need to get those numbers up in the rest of the world.
> > China is the real challenge.
>
> The numbers ARE up in the rest of the world. 5 years ago iOS was at 20%
> globally.
>
> But I really don¹t think Apple cares about that.

they don't.

only those who don't understand the industry think it matters.

> It would take $150
> iPhones to take over markets like China and India.

apparently not:

<https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/08/24/apples-iphone-dominant-in-ch
ina-samsung-falls-out-of-second-place>
The iPhone is consistently the most popular smartphone in China,
with half of all smartphones sold during the 6.18 Festival being
Apple's.

> Apple is not
> interested in competing at the low end. In fact, in Apple¹s 45 year
> history, they never have competed at the low end.
>
> This is why phone app developers make 80% of their money from iOS app
> sales. The vast majority of Android phones in use globally are low end
> models, where users are not interested/can¹t afford to buy apps.

yep.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <rAOdnRZzF9EmCuj-nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@supernews.com>, Bob
> Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
>
>> It would take $150
>> iPhones to take over markets like China and India.
>
> apparently not:
>
> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/08/24/apples-iphone-dominant-in-ch
> ina-samsung-falls-out-of-second-place>
> The iPhone is consistently the most popular smartphone in China,
> with half of all smartphones sold during the 6.18 Festival being
> Apple's.

Wow, that’s amazing.

I guess my knowledge of China is outdated. So the global iPhone numbers
will continue to rise.

nospam wrote:

> there is also very little reluctance for android users to switch from
> android to iphone. according to apple, the rate of switching continues
> to increase. the reverse, ios->android is far lower.

Most people don't need functionality so the crippled iPhone works fine.

However, if you removed the obvious fact Apple doesn't design an iPhone so
much as market it (rather successfully so), I can't imagine why anyone
would want iOS over Android.

Yet some do.
In fact, roughly about half the people in the USA do.

That's amazing.
But nobody ever said these people aren't stupid.

They are.
Incredibly stupid they are.

And that's why the iPhone does so well after all.
To most people, it doesn't matter that the iPhone is brain dead.

The almost complete lack of app store functionality doesn't matter to them.
All they want to do is play games and text each other.

And we already know the iPhone does texting better than does Android.
(At least if we believe what Google & Facebook are complaining about.)

For most people, all they need a phone to do is play games & send text
messages, which an iPhone does perfectly well for the most part.

If people cared about functionality though, Apple would go out of business.

Bob Campbell wrote:

> The global iPhone numbers will continue to rise.

Most people just want to text and play games on their phones.
If people cared about functionality, Apple would go out of business.

But most people are stupid so the iPhone sells rather well to them.
The iPhone is not designed so much as it's marketed to stupid people.

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> Bob Campbell wrote:
>
>> The global iPhone numbers will continue to rise.
>
> Most people just want to text and play games on their phones.
> If people cared about functionality, Apple would go out of business.
>
> But most people are stupid so the iPhone sells rather well to them.
> The iPhone is not designed so much as it's marketed to stupid people.

And yet, you claim to have multiple iOS devices. 🙄

Why don’t you post yet ANOTHER link to an opinion piece that does not
support YOUR opinion?

Seriously, you are the most pathetic troll in the history of usenet. And
as you can imagine, that’s up against some pretty stiff competition.

On 2022-11-16 21:04, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Bob Campbell wrote:
>
>> The global iPhone numbers will continue to rise.
>
> Most people just want to text and play games on their phones.
> If people cared about functionality, Apple would go out of business.

Only in your fantasy world are people smarter than you not making
different choices than you would make.