Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Whatever happens the radio controlled clocks and watches will show
>> the correct time.
>
> *If* they can be adjusted to a different time zone, which is - as
> several people (Rob, Piet, etc.) mentioned - *not* always the case.

Discussion with that Trump clone is useless.
Drop him/it in your killfile.

-p

Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> >> Whatever happens the radio controlled clocks and watches will show
> >> the correct time.
> >
> > *If* they can be adjusted to a different time zone, which is - as
> > several people (Rob, Piet, etc.) mentioned - *not* always the case.
>
> Discussion with that Trump clone is useless.

Yeah, I know. That's why I only talk *to* it, not discuss with it.

> Drop him/it in your killfile.

Nah. It's our European version of nospam. We should cherish it.

But seriously, I only killfile (read: do not even download) only the
very worst. Currently only three in this group.

BTW, keep up the good work. Just like old times! :-)

On 11/26/2021 4:56 AM, Rob wrote:

<snip>

> I'm sorry, but it really is the truth.
> The current timezone was implemented by a German reichskanzler in 1940.
> Before that, we had our own timezone which was at an odd offset but was
> accurate to solar time.
> Nothing fake about that!

In both WW1 and WW2, when the Germans occupied a country they changed
the country's time to German time.

Am 27.11.21 um 10:35 schrieb Rob:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 26.11.21 um 13:56 schrieb Rob:
>>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>>> Am 26.11.21 um 13:13 schrieb Rob:
>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> As many countries in Europe, we did that change during WWII, but did not
>>>>>> revert it at the end of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes that is the common reason, also for us. The Germans dictated
>>>>> the time, and that is what we had to adopt.
>>>>
>>>> That is very bad fake news. Shame on you!
>>>> If live outside the EU or even worse outside Europe you should stop your
>>>> unqalified badmouthing.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but it really is the truth.
>>> The current timezone was implemented by a German reichskanzler in 1940.
>>> Before that, we had our own timezone which was at an odd offset but was
>>> accurate to solar time.
>>> Nothing fake about that!
>>
>> The current setting has nothing to do with that. The motivation in the
>> 70s was the oil crisis and nothing else. Forget Adolf and that is why
>> your posting is fake news.
>
> You are talking about the re-introduction of DST in Europe.
> I am talking about the adoption of the Middle-European Timezone (MET)
> in the western countries of Europe.

That was done for economic and parctical reasons.

> That was instantiated by Adolf Hitler, no doubt about that!

Blödsinn. These things were already tested during WWI

Benjamin Franklin erklärte 1784 im Journal de Paris, dass das
ausgedehnte Nachtleben Energie durch künstliches Licht vergeude. Dagegen
helfe früheres Aufstehen und Zubettgehen.[4][5] Die Idee einer staatlich
verordneten Sommerzeit kam Ende des 19. Jahrhunderts auf. Unabhängig
voneinander schlugen George Vernon Hudson 1895[6] und William Willett
1907 eine saisonale Zeitverschiebung vor.[7] Der Insektenforscher George
Vernon Hudson stellte seine Idee erstmals in einem Vortrag 1895 vor der
Royal Society of New Zealand vor. Weder sein Vortrag noch die
Veröffentlichung seiner Ideen drei Jahre später[8] fanden damals
Anklang, so dass er bald in Vergessenheit geriet.

Postkarte zur Einführung der Sommerzeit in Deutschland am 30. April 1916
(Deutsches Uhrenmuseum, Archiv, Inv. 100318)
Aufgrund der praktischen Schwierigkeiten z. B. beim länderübergreifenden
Eisenbahnverkehr ist es kein Zufall, dass die erstmalige Einführung der
Sommerzeit in den *Ersten Weltkrieg* fällt:

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Am 27.11.21 um 16:11 schrieb Piet:
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Whatever happens the radio controlled clocks and watches will show
>>> the correct time.
>>
>> *If* they can be adjusted to a different time zone, which is - as
>> several people (Rob, Piet, etc.) mentioned - *not* always the case.
>
> Discussion with that Trump clone is useless.
> Drop him/it in your killfile.

Accept the fact that only ver very old - basically the first ones
produced - cannot adjust to time zones. That is a fraction of a percent
of the total population if at all.

You are trolling, dear Piet.

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Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 27.11.21 um 10:35 schrieb Rob:
>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>> Am 26.11.21 um 13:56 schrieb Rob:
>>>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>>>> Am 26.11.21 um 13:13 schrieb Rob:
>>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> As many countries in Europe, we did that change during WWII, but did not
>>>>>>> revert it at the end of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes that is the common reason, also for us. The Germans dictated
>>>>>> the time, and that is what we had to adopt.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is very bad fake news. Shame on you!
>>>>> If live outside the EU or even worse outside Europe you should stop your
>>>>> unqalified badmouthing.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, but it really is the truth.
>>>> The current timezone was implemented by a German reichskanzler in 1940.
>>>> Before that, we had our own timezone which was at an odd offset but was
>>>> accurate to solar time.
>>>> Nothing fake about that!
>>>
>>> The current setting has nothing to do with that. The motivation in the
>>> 70s was the oil crisis and nothing else. Forget Adolf and that is why
>>> your posting is fake news.
>>
>> You are talking about the re-introduction of DST in Europe.
>> I am talking about the adoption of the Middle-European Timezone (MET)
>> in the western countries of Europe.
>
> That was done for economic and parctical reasons.

Yes, the Nazis did a lot of things for economic and practical reasons.

Am 27.11.21 um 18:44 schrieb Rob:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> That was done for economic and parctical reasons.
>
> Yes, the Nazis did a lot of things for economic and practical reasons.

And the stubborn Brits almost everything for the sake of it ...

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Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 27.11.21 um 18:44 schrieb Rob:
> > Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> >> That was done for economic and parctical reasons.
> >
> > Yes, the Nazis did a lot of things for economic and practical reasons.
>
> And the stubborn Brits almost everything for the sake of it ...

You *still* think Rob lives in the UK!? <barf!>

On 26/11/2021 13.20, Rob wrote:

....

> And of course an issue is "what market is there for such a clock".
> With more and more day-to-day functions moving into the smart phone,
> I would not be surprised that clocks are amongst the many devices
> for which sales are dwindling down. Is the modern young person still
> buying a clock, when they have the (extremely accurate) time in their
> hands all the time? I don't know.

Well, when I am in the kitchen to see the time I have to pick the phone
from some table (exact spot forgotten), flip the cover off and tap it,
or raise my eyes to the wall. The later is faster :-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 11/27/2021 1:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 26/11/2021 13.20, Rob wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> And of course an issue is "what market is there for such a clock".
>> With more and more day-to-day functions moving into the smart phone,
>> I would not be surprised that clocks are amongst the many devices
>> for which sales are dwindling down.  Is the modern young person still
>> buying a clock, when they have the (extremely accurate) time in their
>> hands all the time?  I don't know.
>
> Well, when I am in the kitchen to see the time I have to pick the phone
> from some table (exact spot forgotten), flip the cover off and tap it,
> or raise my eyes to the wall. The later is faster :-)

In my kitchen there is a clock on the microwave, a clock on the oven, a
clock on the coffee maker, and a clock on the rice cooker, and a clock
on the toaster oven/air fryer. So I don't really need yet another
kitchen clock.

On 11/27/2021 01:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 26/11/2021 13.20, Rob wrote:
>
>> And of course an issue is "what market is there for such a clock".
>> With more and more day-to-day functions moving into the smart phone,
>> I would not be surprised that clocks are amongst the many devices
>> for which sales are dwindling down. Is the modern young person still
>> buying a clock, when they have the (extremely accurate) time in their
>> hands all the time? I don't know.
>
> Well, when I am in the kitchen to see the time I have to pick the phone
> from some table (exact spot forgotten), flip the cover off and tap it,
> or raise my eyes to the wall. The later is faster :-)

Fastest of all is to look at your watch!

In 2007 I bought a Casio G-Shock at Costco for $25 with a solar battery
and the ability to pick up the atomic clock signals from Ft. Collins CO.
The strap is still in fine condition, but some of the black plastic on
the watch frame has chipped off. I stopped wearing it in favor of the
Amazfit that keeps track of steps and sleep, but it's been working in
spite of being on a shelf in view of the living room lights rather than
my wrist.

I tried wearing two watches on my left wrist, but that sucked. I HATE
having anything on my right wrist or hand. I really MISS the Casio. So
few things actually work the way they're supposed to now. I'd be
willing to bet that I could replace the case if I really wanted to...

--
Cheers, Bev
If I gave a shit, you'd be the first one I'd give it to.

On 27 Nov 2021 at 07:45:07, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 27 Nov 2021 07:32:02 GMT, Bob Martin wrote:
>
>> ROFL
>
> Simple question for these worthless pieces of shit trolls like this "Bob
> Martin" troll clearly is...
>
> Name a _single_ thread of on-topic technical value this Bob Martin troll has
> _ever_ posted to comp.mobile.android in the entire history of the newsgroup.
>
> Name just one.

Should be easy for you to check, as unlike you I don't change my user name
every few months.

Am 28.11.21 um 00:22 schrieb The Real Bev:
> Fastest of all is to look at your watch!

+1

> In 2007 I bought a Casio G-Shock at Costco for $25 with a solar battery
> and the ability to pick up the atomic clock signals from Ft. Collins CO.
> The strap is still in fine condition, but some of the black plastic on
> the watch frame has chipped off. I stopped wearing it in favor of the
> Amazfit that keeps track of steps and sleep, but it's been working in
> spite of being on a shelf in view of the living room lights rather than
> my wrist.

These Casios were the greatest invention after the mechanical wrist
watch at the beginning of the 20th century. I bought a GW-M5610-1ER in
2017. It looks like the first original from 1983. I use it for all heavy
duty work and sports. It is so rugged it would survive an encounter with
a Mack-Truck. It can receive 6 bands and can be used around the globe
and adjusted to any time zone the user wants.

The more elegant side of this radio controlled watches is my Junghans
Milano Mega Solar.

Today I wear mostly mechanical watches which are also my (expensive)
hobby. Watches are the only legitimate Jewellery a white man in the
western world can wear always and everywhere.

> I tried wearing two watches on my left wrist, but that sucked. I HATE
> having anything on my right wrist or hand. I really MISS the Casio. So
> few things actually work the way they're supposed to now. I'd be
> willing to bet that I could replace the case if I really wanted to...

I usually wear two mechanical watches one at the left wrist and one at
the right. So called smart watches are something for uniformed slaves
and I have this phase in my life already behind me. ;-)

--
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Bob Martin wrote:

> Andy Burnelli wrote:
>
>> Name a _single_ thread of on-topic technical value this Bob Martin troll has
>> _ever_ posted to comp.mobile.android in the entire history of the newsgroup.
>> Name just one.
>
> Should be easy for you to check, as unlike you I don't change my user name
> every few months.

+1

On 27/11/2021 23.53, sms wrote:
> On 11/27/2021 1:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 26/11/2021 13.20, Rob wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> And of course an issue is "what market is there for such a clock".
>>> With more and more day-to-day functions moving into the smart phone,
>>> I would not be surprised that clocks are amongst the many devices
>>> for which sales are dwindling down.  Is the modern young person still
>>> buying a clock, when they have the (extremely accurate) time in their
>>> hands all the time?  I don't know.
>>
>> Well, when I am in the kitchen to see the time I have to pick the
>> phone from some table (exact spot forgotten), flip the cover off and
>> tap it, or raise my eyes to the wall. The later is faster :-)
>
> In my kitchen there is a clock on the microwave, a clock on the oven, a
> clock on the coffee maker, and a clock on the rice cooker, and a clock
> on the toaster oven/air fryer. So I don't really need yet another
> kitchen clock.

I have one on the µW, much smaller than any kitchen clock, and showing
00:00 since the last power failure.

Not an automatic clock, which was the point of using a tablet. Nor
battery backed.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 28/11/2021 00.22, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 11/27/2021 01:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 26/11/2021 13.20, Rob wrote:
>>
>>> And of course an issue is "what market is there for such a clock".
>>> With more and more day-to-day functions moving into the smart phone,
>>> I would not be surprised that clocks are amongst the many devices
>>> for which sales are dwindling down.  Is the modern young person still
>>> buying a clock, when they have the (extremely accurate) time in their
>>> hands all the time?  I don't know.
>>
>> Well, when I am in the kitchen to see the time I have to pick the phone
>> from some table (exact spot forgotten), flip the cover off and tap it,
>> or raise my eyes to the wall. The later is faster :-)
>
> Fastest of all is to look at your watch!

I don't use one.

It siting on a table, displaying several hours off. It is a Casio. I
don't remember how to set it up or where the instruction book is.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Am 28.11.21 um 13:53 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 28/11/2021 00.22, The Real Bev wrote:
>> Fastest of all is to look at your watch!
>
> I don't use one.
>
> It siting on a table, displaying several hours off. It is a Casio. I
> don't remember how to set it up or where the instruction book is.

Look up at the bootom which Modul is built in and you will find a manual
in the internet. If you really want.

--
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On 28/11/2021 14.37, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 28.11.21 um 13:53 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>> On 28/11/2021 00.22, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> Fastest of all is to look at your watch!
>>
>> I don't use one.
>>
>> It siting on a table, displaying several hours off. It is a Casio. I
>> don't remember how to set it up or where the instruction book is.
>
> Look up at the bootom which Modul is built in and you will find a manual
> in the internet. If you really want.

Oh, sure, but it is not high priority :-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 09:58:23 +0100, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

> I usually wear two mechanical watches
> one at the left wrist and one at the right.

Ahhh!! So you never know what time it really is. :-)

On 11/28/2021 04:53 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 28/11/2021 00.22, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 11/27/2021 01:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 26/11/2021 13.20, Rob wrote:
>>>
>>>> And of course an issue is "what market is there for such a clock".
>>>> With more and more day-to-day functions moving into the smart phone,
>>>> I would not be surprised that clocks are amongst the many devices
>>>> for which sales are dwindling down. Is the modern young person still
>>>> buying a clock, when they have the (extremely accurate) time in their
>>>> hands all the time? I don't know.
>>>
>>> Well, when I am in the kitchen to see the time I have to pick the phone
>>> from some table (exact spot forgotten), flip the cover off and tap it,
>>> or raise my eyes to the wall. The later is faster :-)
>>
>> Fastest of all is to look at your watch!
>
> I don't use one.
>
> It siting on a table, displaying several hours off. It is a Casio. I
> don't remember how to set it up or where the instruction book is.

The instruction books are useless without a microscope. I downloaded a
..pdf, which is much handier. I think mine was so cheap because it has
three useless round indicators that occupy space that could be used by
LARGER digits. Still...

I've worn a watch all my life starting when I was maybe 10. My dad kept
books for a watchmaker who would give him one every once in a while,
which he passed on to me. A bare left wrist feels alien. Same with my
left ring-finger.

--
Cheers, Bev
STRESS MANAGEMENT

Picture yourself near a stream.
Birds are singing in the crisp, cool mountain air.
Nothing can bother you here.
No one knows this secret place.
You are in total seclusion from
that place called the world.
The soothing sound of a gentle waterfall
fills the air with a cascade of serenity.
The water is crystal clear.
You can easily make out the face of the person
whose head you're holding under the water.
-- KevinT

On 11/28/2021 9:28 AM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 09:58:23 +0100, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>
>> I usually wear two mechanical watches
>> one at the left wrist and one at the right.
>
> Ahhh!! So you never know what time it really is. :-)

Segal's Law!

"A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is
never sure." — Segal's Law

Am 28.11.21 um 18:28 schrieb Allodoxaphobia:
> On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 09:58:23 +0100, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>
>> I usually wear two mechanical watches
>> one at the left wrist and one at the right.
>
> Ahhh!! So you never know what time it really is. :-)

Just for you: I'm always ahead of the time ... ;-)
But that is also relative.

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Am 28.11.21 um 14:53 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 28/11/2021 14.37, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 28.11.21 um 13:53 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>> It siting on a table, displaying several hours off. It is a Casio. I
>>> don't remember how to set it up or where the instruction book is.
>>
>> Look up at the bootom which Modul is built in and you will find a manual
>> in the internet. If you really want.
>
> Oh, sure, but it is not high priority :-)

That is exactly the way you sounded. Just in case you change your mind.

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On 28/11/2021 21.29, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 28.11.21 um 14:53 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>> On 28/11/2021 14.37, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 28.11.21 um 13:53 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>> It siting on a table, displaying several hours off. It is a Casio. I
>>>> don't remember how to set it up or where the instruction book is.
>>>
>>> Look up at the bootom which Modul is built in and you will find a manual
>>> in the internet. If you really want.
>>
>> Oh, sure, but it is not high priority :-)
>
> That is exactly the way you sounded. Just in case you change your mind.

My wrist feels comfortable without that weight. And my cell has more
features than the watch would ever have.

Still, one day I will set the time on the watch. Or take it to the shop
so that they do it for me.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 28/11/2021 18.44, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 11/28/2021 04:53 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 28/11/2021 00.22, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 11/27/2021 01:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 26/11/2021 13.20, Rob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And of course an issue is "what market is there for such a clock".
>>>>> With more and more day-to-day functions moving into the smart phone,
>>>>> I would not be surprised that clocks are amongst the many devices
>>>>> for which sales are dwindling down.  Is the modern young person still
>>>>> buying a clock, when they have the (extremely accurate) time in their
>>>>> hands all the time?  I don't know.
>>>>
>>>> Well, when I am in the kitchen to see the time I have to pick the phone
>>>> from some table (exact spot forgotten), flip the cover off and tap it,
>>>> or raise my eyes to the wall. The later is faster :-)
>>>
>>> Fastest of all is to look at your watch!
>>
>> I don't use one.
>>
>> It siting on a table, displaying several hours off. It is a Casio. I
>> don't remember how to set it up or where the instruction book is.
>
> The instruction books are useless without a microscope.

Ohhh right!

Tiny books.

>  I downloaded a
> .pdf, which is much handier.  I think mine was so cheap because it has
> three useless round indicators that occupy space that could be used by
> LARGER digits.  Still...

Mine has mechanical hands.
Date is one day ahead, hour one hour slow or so :-?

I'll have to see if the minute hand is moving correctly.

>
> I've worn a watch all my life starting when I was maybe 10.  My dad kept
> books for a watchmaker who would give him one every once in a while,
> which he passed on to me.  A bare left wrist feels alien.  Same with my
> left ring-finger.
>
>

Reading the back of my watch:

Casio
telememo 30
world time
3 alarm
count down timer

[2747] AW-80
Stainless steel back
water resistant 5bar

Japan mov't DH
cased in China

I had to use my phone camera as lenses to read all that. Not only tiny
letters but little contrast.

I see videos for this clock, no pdf yet.
I never used that memo function, I just wanted analog movement with a
small digital display for the date and chronometer.

--
Cheers, Carlos.