Got my new Mac. Old one was running Mojave. Terminal on EISNER works fine for editing. My new Mac is running Monterey. I run Terminal, open a file in EDT, and the numbers on the numeric keypad do nothing. They also do nothing at a DCL prompt. Also, the PF1-4 keys work from F1-F4, and F12 is BEGINNING OF LINE.

Is there some secret setting I'm missing? Or do I need a 3rd-party app? And if so, can anyone here recommend one? Thanks!

On 9/20/2022 9:31 AM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> Got my new Mac. Old one was running Mojave. Terminal on EISNER works
> fine for editing. My new Mac is running Monterey. I run Terminal,
> open a file in EDT, and the numbers on the numeric keypad do nothing.
> They also do nothing at a DCL prompt. Also, the PF1-4 keys work from
> F1-F4, and F12 is BEGINNING OF LINE.
>
> Is there some secret setting I'm missing? Or do I need a 3rd-party
> app? And if so, can anyone here recommend one? Thanks!

What terminal type does VMS think it is?

$ show term

If it is lacking in DEC_CRT* attributes then

$ set term/dev=vt400

or similar.

Arne

On 9/20/22 8:31 AM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> Got my new Mac. Old one was running Mojave. Terminal on EISNER works
> fine for editing. My new Mac is running Monterey. I run Terminal,
> open a file in EDT, and the numbers on the numeric keypad do
> nothing. They> also do nothing at a DCL prompt. Also, the PF1-4 keys
> work from F1-F4, and F12 is BEGINNING OF LINE.

> Is there some secret setting I'm missing? Or do I need a 3rd-party
> app? And if so, can anyone here recommend one? Thanks!

It doesn't look like they're secret. Go to Preferences --> Profiles -->
Keyboard and you can add all the key mappings you want. You can even
create a VMS-friendly profile if you want different settings from what
you use for other things (or want it to automatically log in to your VMS
system, for example).

I've never done this with Terminal, only iTerm2, but I did that at a
time when Terminal did not have the keyboard mapping capability some
years ago and have never bothered to do all the set-up for Terminal.

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 10:02:40 AM UTC-4, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 9/20/2022 9:31 AM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Got my new Mac. Old one was running Mojave. Terminal on EISNER works
> > fine for editing. My new Mac is running Monterey. I run Terminal,
> > open a file in EDT, and the numbers on the numeric keypad do nothing.
> > They also do nothing at a DCL prompt. Also, the PF1-4 keys work from
> > F1-F4, and F12 is BEGINNING OF LINE.
> >
> > Is there some secret setting I'm missing? Or do I need a 3rd-party
> > app? And if so, can anyone here recommend one? Thanks!
> What terminal type does VMS think it is?
>
> $ show term
>
> If it is lacking in DEC_CRT* attributes then
>
> $ set term/dev=vt400
>
> or similar.
>
> Arne

I never had to do it before. I always used $ set term/inq and it would work.. That was using Mojave::Terminal. OK, I tried it anyway. Nope. Doesn't work.

On 9/20/2022 3:08 PM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 10:02:40 AM UTC-4, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 9/20/2022 9:31 AM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Got my new Mac. Old one was running Mojave. Terminal on EISNER works
>>> fine for editing. My new Mac is running Monterey. I run Terminal,
>>> open a file in EDT, and the numbers on the numeric keypad do nothing.
>>> They also do nothing at a DCL prompt. Also, the PF1-4 keys work from
>>> F1-F4, and F12 is BEGINNING OF LINE.
>>>
>>> Is there some secret setting I'm missing? Or do I need a 3rd-party
>>> app? And if so, can anyone here recommend one? Thanks!
>> What terminal type does VMS think it is?
>>
>> $ show term
>>
>> If it is lacking in DEC_CRT* attributes then
>>
>> $ set term/dev=vt400
>>
>> or similar.
>
> I never had to do it before. I always used $ set term/inq and it
> would work. That was using Mojave::Terminal. OK, I tried it anyway.
> Nope. Doesn't work.
If VMS knows the terminal type, then it must be the
emulators keyboard mapping that need to be fixed.

Craig posted some guidance for that.

Arne

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 10:17:05 AM UTC-4, Craig A. Berry wrote:
> On 9/20/22 8:31 AM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Got my new Mac. Old one was running Mojave. Terminal on EISNER works
> > fine for editing. My new Mac is running Monterey. I run Terminal,
> > open a file in EDT, and the numbers on the numeric keypad do
> > nothing. They> also do nothing at a DCL prompt. Also, the PF1-4 keys
> > work from F1-F4, and F12 is BEGINNING OF LINE.
>
> > Is there some secret setting I'm missing? Or do I need a 3rd-party
> > app? And if so, can anyone here recommend one? Thanks!
> It doesn't look like they're secret. Go to Preferences --> Profiles -->
> Keyboard and you can add all the key mappings you want. You can even
> create a VMS-friendly profile if you want different settings from what
> you use for other things (or want it to automatically log in to your VMS
> system, for example).
>
> I've never done this with Terminal, only iTerm2, but I did that at a
> time when Terminal did not have the keyboard mapping capability some
> years ago and have never bothered to do all the set-up for Terminal.

I already tried that. You can't map to those keys. They are simply not listed in the key drop-down.

But it turns out it's even worse than that. The numbers on the numeric keypad don't work in other apps, like Mail and BBedit!!! this is even worse than the grayed-out shortcuts on all the drop-down menus! I can't use the numbers on the numeric keybad for anything!

Well, two things:

1. I can struggle with workarounds: redefine the function keys.

2. Work as normal on my old Mac, which I have set up on the dining room table.

This is UFB. Oh, Shift-5 is paste. Lovely.

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:16:32 PM UTC-4, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 9/20/2022 3:08 PM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 10:02:40 AM UTC-4, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> >> On 9/20/2022 9:31 AM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Got my new Mac. Old one was running Mojave. Terminal on EISNER works
> >>> fine for editing. My new Mac is running Monterey. I run Terminal,
> >>> open a file in EDT, and the numbers on the numeric keypad do nothing.
> >>> They also do nothing at a DCL prompt. Also, the PF1-4 keys work from
> >>> F1-F4, and F12 is BEGINNING OF LINE.
> >>>
> >>> Is there some secret setting I'm missing? Or do I need a 3rd-party
> >>> app? And if so, can anyone here recommend one? Thanks!
> >> What terminal type does VMS think it is?
> >>
> >> $ show term
> >>
> >> If it is lacking in DEC_CRT* attributes then
> >>
> >> $ set term/dev=vt400
> >>
> >> or similar.
> >
> > I never had to do it before. I always used $ set term/inq and it
> > would work. That was using Mojave::Terminal. OK, I tried it anyway.
> > Nope. Doesn't work.
> If VMS knows the terminal type, then it must be the
> emulators keyboard mapping that need to be fixed.
>
> Craig posted some guidance for that.
>
> Arne

Nope. It's the stupid OS. The keys don't work in other apps, either.

No sir, I don't like it!!!

Am I the only one in the newsgroup that uses a Mac to access an OpenVMS box?

More than a couple grand and the stupid thing doesn't work. I just tried a third keyboard. Still doesn't work. Except sometimes I'm switched to a different app. Pressing 5 hides the Dock if the Dock is already up. (>_<) Is that the "angry" emoticon?

On 9/20/2022 3:28 PM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Am I the only one in the newsgroup that uses a Mac to access an OpenVMS box?

Many folks at VSI use Macs to access VMS (I am not one of them).

They don't have the problems you apparently are having.

--
-- Rob

> Am I the only one in the newsgroup that uses a Mac to access an
> OpenVMS box?

I use XQuartz > Terminal (xterm). With a little xmodmap action, it
does what I need. I haven't noticed any new (xterm) trouble with
Monterey (12.5.1, on a Pro (Late 2013)) compared with Mojave (10.14.6 on
a Pro (Mid 2010)).

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:57:58 PM UTC-4, Steven Schweda wrote:
> > Am I the only one in the newsgroup that uses a Mac to access an
> > OpenVMS box?
> I use XQuartz > Terminal (xterm). With a little xmodmap action, it
> does what I need. I haven't noticed any new (xterm) trouble with
> Monterey (12.5.1, on a Pro (Late 2013)) compared with Mojave (10.14.6 on
> a Pro (Mid 2010)).

It's beginning to look like the fault is with macOS 12.6. I was on 12.2.1, and I called Apple Care for something else that broke, and they said to update to the latest version.

I am currently investigating things like Mouse Keys. The numbers do move the text cursor (not the mouse pointer) around in BBEdit, at least. Still working on it.

This is why I hate updates and upgrades. Something always breaks, and it's usually or always something important.

Note that the numeric keypad number keys don't work in other apps, like Mail and BBEdit, except to move the cursor around.

OMG! It's working now! I must have stumbled upon the correct setting, but I'm not sure which one it is!

Continuing . . .

On 9/20/2022 3:34 PM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
> On 9/20/2022 3:28 PM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Am I the only one in the newsgroup that uses a Mac to access an OpenVMS box?
>
> Many folks at VSI use Macs to access VMS (I am not one of them).
>
> They don't have the problems you apparently are having.
>

My question is why are you trying to use the stupid app that comes with the
stupid OS? Lots of free terminal emulators available. Some that cost a bit
too. Choose your tools wisely. Or be unhappy.

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486

On 9/20/2022 4:15 PM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:57:58 PM UTC-4, Steven Schweda wrote:
>>> Am I the only one in the newsgroup that uses a Mac to access an
>>> OpenVMS box?
>> I use XQuartz > Terminal (xterm). With a little xmodmap action, it
>> does what I need. I haven't noticed any new (xterm) trouble with
>> Monterey (12.5.1, on a Pro (Late 2013)) compared with Mojave (10.14.6 on
>> a Pro (Mid 2010)).
>
> It's beginning to look like the fault is with macOS 12.6. I was on 12.2.1, and I called Apple Care for something else that broke, and they said to update to the latest version.
>
> I am currently investigating things like Mouse Keys. The numbers do move the text cursor (not the mouse pointer) around in BBEdit, at least. Still working on it.
>
> This is why I hate updates and upgrades. Something always breaks, and it's usually or always something important.
>
> Note that the numeric keypad number keys don't work in other apps, like Mail and BBEdit, except to move the cursor around.
>
> OMG! It's working now! I must have stumbled upon the correct setting, but I'm not sure which one it is!
>
> Continuing . . .
>

Perhaps numeric keypad mode vs app keypad mode ??????

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486

On 9/20/2022 2:28 PM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Am I the only one in the newsgroup that uses a Mac to access an OpenVMS box?
>

I'm on a Mac and have used it for years and years. But I have a MacPro 2009 and I'm stuck at Mojave. I don't use Apple's Terminal. I use Em-Tec's ZOC. It cost me $80 back when and another $29 to upgrade about 6 years later but worth it. I also use a Matias Tactile Pro 4 (and Quiet Pro) Mac keyboard that has the proper # of keys on it's keypad. I've also used iTerm and iTerm2 over the years but I prefer ZOC. Works just dandy with all my VMS needs from DEC VAX/VMS 5.5 to VSI OpenVMS V8.4-2L1

https://www.emtec.com/zoc/index.html
http://matias.ca/tactilepro4/
http://matias.ca/tactilepro4/viewer/?p=2

--
John H. Reinhardt

On 9/20/22 2:21 PM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 10:17:05 AM UTC-4, Craig A. Berry wrote:
>> On 9/20/22 8:31 AM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Got my new Mac. Old one was running Mojave. Terminal on EISNER works
>>> fine for editing. My new Mac is running Monterey. I run Terminal,
>>> open a file in EDT, and the numbers on the numeric keypad do
>>> nothing. They> also do nothing at a DCL prompt. Also, the PF1-4 keys
>>> work from F1-F4, and F12 is BEGINNING OF LINE.
>>
>>> Is there some secret setting I'm missing? Or do I need a 3rd-party
>>> app? And if so, can anyone here recommend one? Thanks!

>> It doesn't look like they're secret. Go to Preferences --> Profiles -->
>> Keyboard and you can add all the key mappings you want. You can even
>> create a VMS-friendly profile if you want different settings from what
>> you use for other things (or want it to automatically log in to your VMS
>> system, for example).
>>
>> I've never done this with Terminal, only iTerm2, but I did that at a
>> time when Terminal did not have the keyboard mapping capability some
>> years ago and have never bothered to do all the set-up for Terminal.
>

> I already tried that. You can't map to those keys. They are simply
> not listed in the key drop-down.

They are there. They are even called PF1, PF2, PF3, PF4, etc. This with
Terminal 2.12.7 on macOS 12.6, vt102 selected in the Advanced tab for
"Declare terminal as."

> They are there. They are even called PF1, PF2, PF3, PF4, etc. This with
> Terminal 2.12.7 on macOS 12.6, vt102 selected in the Advanced tab for
> "Declare terminal as."

I don't see them here, either. Terminal Version 2.12.7 (445), macOS
12.5.1.

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 7:46:16 PM UTC-4, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 9/20/2022 3:34 PM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
> > On 9/20/2022 3:28 PM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Am I the only one in the newsgroup that uses a Mac to access an OpenVMS box?
> >
> > Many folks at VSI use Macs to access VMS (I am not one of them).
> >
> > They don't have the problems you apparently are having.
> >
> My question is why are you trying to use the stupid app that comes with the
> stupid OS? Lots of free terminal emulators available. Some that cost a bit
> too. Choose your tools wisely. Or be unhappy.

Because for years it has worked fine. All the keys work. I finally have an app, already in place, already "paid for," that works fine.

It's like in grad school where, in my group, we all shared a VAX 11/750. We eventually got some VMS Workstations running DECwindows. All anyone ever did was open up some DECterm windows. Oh, and the occasional "X-window" (or whatever it's called) for plots. We didn't have the time or the need to hunt down alternatives to DECterm.

What do I gain with the other apps? I also have to hunt them down, read reviews, spend time on it, and for what? What big gains do I make? What free or even paid alternative would not have had this problem? The problem was some incorrect OS setting, most likely having to do with Mousekeys. But I thought I had checked that, and it didn't help to turn it off. I would also get the sequence of 6,5 for some reason always switching me to the mail app, and happens to be 6th in line on the Dock. Tried to reproduce it after having found the problem, but most of the time the 6,5 sequence would do nothing. Oh, and 5 would often act as paste, or select a line in BBEdit. Strange doings!

Anyway, it works now. Sorry for botherin' y'all. I thought I had exhausted my leads. Well, of course I continued looking for a solution. Whatever.

As to the other part of your question:

I _already have_ the "stupid OS," and it does have some serious stupidities in it (are there any that don't?), because I use Final Cut, which doesn't run on any other system. Well, initially it seemed a better option than Windows. Only later did I get Final Cut. And as far as I can tell, Final Cut is pretty good -- mostly. Sure makes more sense than iMovie10. And it's a Mac with the M1 chip, so it's superfast. I'm hoping that the next time I do noise reduction on some movies it won't take a long time and crank up the fans from the GPU going full steam! (BTW, I use NeatVideo instead of the Final Cut noise reduction, as the Final cut noise reduction makes things look grimy.) Hey, I could go on, if you want!

> --
> David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: da...@tsoft-inc.com
> DFE Ultralights, Inc.
> 170 Grimplin Road
> Vanderbilt, PA 15486

Alan

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 8:43:06 PM UTC-4, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
> On 9/20/2022 2:28 PM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Am I the only one in the newsgroup that uses a Mac to access an OpenVMS box?
> >
> I'm on a Mac and have used it for years and years. But I have a MacPro 2009 and I'm stuck at Mojave. I don't use Apple's Terminal. I use Em-Tec's ZOC. It cost me $80 back when and another $29 to upgrade about 6 years later but worth it. I also use a Matias Tactile Pro 4 (and Quiet Pro) Mac keyboard that has the proper # of keys on it's keypad. I've also used iTerm and iTerm2 over the years but I prefer ZOC. Works just dandy with all my VMS needs from DEC VAX/VMS 5.5 to VSI OpenVMS V8.4-2L1

[End of original message]

[Beginning of my reply]

I was on Mojave for years. Kept on it so that I could continue using QuickTime 7 Pro. Finally got a new Mac for various reasons, including lack of support, and the risk of not finding parts! I also have a Matias Tactile Pro (but I think it's feel is too hard. Maybe the quiet one is better. I hear the IBM something-or-other has the best feel, but how to get one and how to make it work on the Mac and with the numeric keypad missing a key, etc.)

Terminal comes with the Mac and it works fine. I see no reason to spend money on others. Oh, Terminal wasn't so good until the key customizations were good enough to map the top row of the numeric keypad. I forget when that happened. Mr. Schweda pointed that out years ago, I think. Anyway, everything works great now. Still going through "growing pains" from the upgrade, though. Apple doesn't give a shi_ about backward-compatibility, and VMS cares a little too much! We still have that dumb CLI/terminal/whatever user interface (can't delete after wrap-around, etc.)

Hey, the keyboard that comes with the Mac also has the full numeric keypad, which PC's don't. I got the Matias because I hated the Mac keyboard for other reasons. The new one has the finger ID bit. I can keep that on the side for that!

>
> https://www.emtec.com/zoc/index.html
> http://matias.ca/tactilepro4/
> http://matias.ca/tactilepro4/viewer/?p=2
>
>
>
> --
> John H. Reinhardt

Alan Feldman

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 7:48:00 PM UTC-4, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 9/20/2022 4:15 PM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:57:58 PM UTC-4, Steven Schweda wrote:
> >>> Am I the only one in the newsgroup that uses a Mac to access an
> >>> OpenVMS box?
> >> I use XQuartz > Terminal (xterm). With a little xmodmap action, it
> >> does what I need. I haven't noticed any new (xterm) trouble with
> >> Monterey (12.5.1, on a Pro (Late 2013)) compared with Mojave (10.14.6 on
> >> a Pro (Mid 2010)).
> >
> > It's beginning to look like the fault is with macOS 12.6. I was on 12.2.1, and I called Apple Care for something else that broke, and they said to update to the latest version.
> >
> > I am currently investigating things like Mouse Keys. The numbers do move the text cursor (not the mouse pointer) around in BBEdit, at least. Still working on it.
> >
> > This is why I hate updates and upgrades. Something always breaks, and it's usually or always something important.
> >
> > Note that the numeric keypad number keys don't work in other apps, like Mail and BBEdit, except to move the cursor around.
> >
> > OMG! It's working now! I must have stumbled upon the correct setting, but I'm not sure which one it is!
> >
> > Continuing . . .
> >
> Perhaps numeric keypad mode vs app keypad mode ??????

Nope. Thought of that. But nope. It was Mousekeys or some mystery setting related to it.

> --
> David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: da...@tsoft-inc.com
> DFE Ultralights, Inc.
> 170 Grimplin Road
> Vanderbilt, PA 15486

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 10:02:33 PM UTC-4, Craig A. Berry wrote:
> On 9/20/22 2:21 PM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 10:17:05 AM UTC-4, Craig A. Berry wrote:
> >> On 9/20/22 8:31 AM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Got my new Mac. Old one was running Mojave. Terminal on EISNER works
> >>> fine for editing. My new Mac is running Monterey. I run Terminal,
> >>> open a file in EDT, and the numbers on the numeric keypad do
> >>> nothing. They> also do nothing at a DCL prompt. Also, the PF1-4 keys
> >>> work from F1-F4, and F12 is BEGINNING OF LINE.
> >>
> >>> Is there some secret setting I'm missing? Or do I need a 3rd-party
> >>> app? And if so, can anyone here recommend one? Thanks!
>
> >> It doesn't look like they're secret. Go to Preferences --> Profiles -->
> >> Keyboard and you can add all the key mappings you want. You can even
> >> create a VMS-friendly profile if you want different settings from what
> >> you use for other things (or want it to automatically log in to your VMS
> >> system, for example).
> >>
> >> I've never done this with Terminal, only iTerm2, but I did that at a
> >> time when Terminal did not have the keyboard mapping capability some
> >> years ago and have never bothered to do all the set-up for Terminal.
> >
>
> > I already tried that. You can't map to those keys. They are simply
> > not listed in the key drop-down.
> They are there. They are even called PF1, PF2, PF3, PF4, etc. This with
> Terminal 2.12.7 on macOS 12.6, vt102 selected in the Advanced tab for
> "Declare terminal as."

That's not the problem. Those are actually among the keys that DO work!
It's the . and 0 thru 9 that don't work, and in Terminal, they are not on the drop-down menu in the Key field, and you can't type them in, either.

On 2022-09-20 21:57, Steven Schweda wrote:
>> Am I the only one in the newsgroup that uses a Mac to access an
>> OpenVMS box?
>
> I use XQuartz > Terminal (xterm). With a little xmodmap action, it
> does what I need. I haven't noticed any new (xterm) trouble with
> Monterey (12.5.1, on a Pro (Late 2013)) compared with Mojave (10.14.6 on
> a Pro (Mid 2010)).

I use XQuartz as well, and you don't need any xmodmap action at all.
xterm works correctly directly out of the box, assuming you just tell
xterm that you want it to behave like a vt terminal, and so on.
Can be done on the command line, or through x resources.

For the OP, I would also suggest switching to xterm. It is a much better
terminal emulation than the terminal app, it's free, and contains no
funny stuff at all.

Johnny

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 4:51:41 AM UTC-4, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2022-09-20 21:57, Steven Schweda wrote:
> >> Am I the only one in the newsgroup that uses a Mac to access an
> >> OpenVMS box?
> >
> > I use XQuartz > Terminal (xterm). With a little xmodmap action, it
> > does what I need. I haven't noticed any new (xterm) trouble with
> > Monterey (12.5.1, on a Pro (Late 2013)) compared with Mojave (10.14.6 on
> > a Pro (Mid 2010)).
> I use XQuartz as well, and you don't need any xmodmap action at all.
> xterm works correctly directly out of the box, assuming you just tell
> xterm that you want it to behave like a vt terminal, and so on.
> Can be done on the command line, or through x resources.
>
> For the OP, I would also suggest switching to xterm. It is a much better
> terminal emulation than the terminal app, it's free, and contains no
> funny stuff at all.

Why? It wasn't the problem, and all is well now.
Better how?
Terminal contains no funny stuff I'm aware of.
>
> Johnny

In article <fc97f4a2-6e47-4dc8-9bac-aea2693f2fe6n@googlegroups.com>, "alanfe...@gmail.com" <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> writes:
>Got my new Mac. Old one was running Mojave. Terminal on EISNER works fine f=
>or editing. My new Mac is running Monterey. I run Terminal, open a file in =
>EDT, and the numbers on the numeric keypad do nothing. They also do nothing=
> at a DCL prompt. Also, the PF1-4 keys work from F1-F4, and F12 is BEGINNIN=
>G OF LINE.
>
>Is there some secret setting I'm missing? Or do I need a 3rd-party app? And=
> if so, can anyone here recommend one? Thanks!

I'm still on Big Sewer and regretting ever allowing that update.

I never really cared for the Terminal app. It functions when in a pinch but I
have been using iTerm/iTerm2 for years. When I need to, I "$ CREATE/TERMINAL"
because I have XQuartz installed. The keyboard has never been any problem but
now that you've reported this, there's another reason to never upgrade again.

--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG

I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

On 9/21/22 12:24 AM, Steven Schweda wrote:
>> They are there. They are even called PF1, PF2, PF3, PF4, etc. This with
>> Terminal 2.12.7 on macOS 12.6, vt102 selected in the Advanced tab for
>> "Declare terminal as."
>
> I don't see them here, either. Terminal Version 2.12.7 (445), macOS
> 12.5.1.

Hmm. I must've added them at some point but can't remember how. It
sounds like Alan's problem was some accessibility setting he didn't
want, possibly this one:
<https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/control-the-pointer-using-mouse-keys-mh27469/mac>

On 9/21/22 3:51 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2022-09-20 21:57, Steven Schweda wrote:
>>> Am I the only one in the newsgroup that uses a Mac to access an
>>> OpenVMS box?
>>
>>     I use XQuartz > Terminal (xterm).  With a little xmodmap action, it
>> does what I need.  I haven't noticed any new (xterm) trouble with
>> Monterey (12.5.1, on a Pro (Late 2013)) compared with Mojave (10.14.6 on
>> a Pro (Mid 2010)).
>
> I use XQuartz as well, and you don't need any xmodmap action at all.
> xterm works correctly directly out of the box, assuming you just tell
> xterm that you want it to behave like a vt terminal, and so on.
> Can be done on the command line, or through x resources.

I just tried it with XQuartz 2.8.2. VMS recognizes it as VT400_Series
with "VMS Style Input," but backspace is mapped to control-H, not
backspace and the most basic keypad editing in TPU throws all kinds of
errors such as error in escape sequence, unrecognized escape sequence,
unmapped keys, etc. So yes, a lot of key mapping would be necessary,
plus some way to set the size bigger than 24 x 80 and find a readable
font. No doubt that's all possible with enough fiddling.

On 9/21/2022 9:30 AM, Craig A. Berry wrote:

> I just tried it with XQuartz 2.8.2.  VMS recognizes it as VT400_Series
> with "VMS Style Input," but backspace is mapped to control-H,

$ SET TERM /BACKSPACE = DELETE

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-- Rob