In article <t30omr$g85$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> >> Surprising how many Android owners don't bother to add contact
> >> information to the lock screen since it's so easy to do, though the
> >> place to do this in Settings keeps changing. On my latest Android device
> >> it's Settings > Display > Advanced > Lock Screen > Add text on lock screen.

....

> >> You can easily add contact information to your iPhone in your medical
> >> information that someone can get to without unlocking the phone (swipe
> >> up, tap on "Emergency" then tap on "Medical ID"). But someone finding
> >> your lost phone is unlikely to know this.
> >
> > Medical professionals definitely do. Which is the point of medical info.
>
> Well exactly, but someone finding an iPhone on the trail may not know to
> even look for the identity of the user by going through all that, and
> the user may not know to enter his contact information there. That's why
> it's a good idea to put your contact information on the lock screen.
> It's odd that Apple has not followed the lead of Android and added this
> capability.

because putting contact information in the lock screen is a really bad
idea, which is why users do not want to do that.

there's no reason to add a feature that people won't actually use.

you said yourself that few android users add their contact information
to the lock screen.

it's much better to invoke lost mode, where the owner can push whatever
message they want as well as disable the phone or even remotely erase
it if the owner chooses to do so.

In article <t30i98$2p8$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >
> > the fact is that apple addressed the issue.
>
> They've *tried* to address the issue. It is still a problem for many.

they more than tried. they completely reimplemented face id using a new
neural engine to work with masks.

it is more compute intensive than without masks, therefore requires a
recent iphone.

prior to that, they added apple watch unlock support.

> >> in use so people are still using the passcode.
> >
> > no they aren't.
>
> Yes they are. Anyone wearing a mask who doesn't own an iphone 12 or 13
> can't use faceid so has to use the passcode. The apple watch fix, as I
> recently found out, only works for the lock screen and so doesn't solve the
> issues with faceid in all the apps that use it.

how many apps do you use while wandering around in a store, where a
mask is generally required?

In article <t30nko$89n$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> > Yes they are. Anyone wearing a mask who doesn't own an iphone 12 or 13
> > can't use faceid so has to use the passcode. The apple watch fix, as I
> > recently found out, only works for the lock screen and so doesn't solve the
> > issues with faceid in all the apps that use it.
>
> That is correct. Remember, the majority of iPhone users are using an
> iPhone without TouchID, without FaceID that works with masks, and
> without an Apple Watch.

that's a baseless claim, but regardless, the iphone 12 & 13 represent a
significant portion of the install base, and it's *very* common to see
people with one.

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/10/2022 11:47 PM, Chris wrote:
>> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/9/2022 9:59 AM, AJL wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Hopefully the finder is honest and calls
>>>> the wife's phone to return it. I have her number on the lock screen
>>>> after "If found please call"...
>>>
>>> Surprising how many Android owners don't bother to add contact
>>> information to the lock screen since it's so easy to do, though the
>>> place to do this in Settings keeps changing. On my latest Android device
>>> it's Settings > Display > Advanced > Lock Screen > Add text on lock screen.
>>>
>>> Oddly, you can't do this, at least not directly, on the iPhone, you have
>>> to create a JPEG of wallpaper that has your contact information then set
>>> your lock screen wallpaper to that image
>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/add-contact-info-to-lock-screen-wallpaper-1701950>.
>>> I did this on my iPhone and one of my nieces saw my phone last Xmas and
>>> asked me how to do this and I launched into the explanation as she
>>> rolled her eyes, but she did do it.
>>
>> Look up Lost Mode. Much better way than permanently making your personal
>> information public.
>>
>>> You can easily add contact information to your iPhone in your medical
>>> information that someone can get to without unlocking the phone (swipe
>>> up, tap on "Emergency" then tap on "Medical ID"). But someone finding
>>> your lost phone is unlikely to know this.
>>
>> Medical professionals definitely do. Which is the point of medical info.
>
> Well exactly, but someone finding an iPhone on the trail may not know to
> even look for the identity of the user by going through all that, and
> the user may not know to enter his contact information there. That's why
> it's a good idea to put your contact information on the lock screen.
> It's odd that Apple has not followed the lead of Android and added this
> capability.

You didn't look up lost mode, did you?

With it enabled a lost iphone can have a message added to the lock screen
which is likely more informative than whatever generic info you hardcoded
into your jpeg image.

I've not used android in a while, but I doubt it has a lead here.

In article <t316pr$r8$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >> Look up Lost Mode. Much better way than permanently making your personal
> >> information public.
> >>
> >>> You can easily add contact information to your iPhone in your medical
> >>> information that someone can get to without unlocking the phone (swipe
> >>> up, tap on "Emergency" then tap on "Medical ID"). But someone finding
> >>> your lost phone is unlikely to know this.
> >>
> >> Medical professionals definitely do. Which is the point of medical info.
> >
> > Well exactly, but someone finding an iPhone on the trail may not know to
> > even look for the identity of the user by going through all that, and
> > the user may not know to enter his contact information there. That's why
> > it's a good idea to put your contact information on the lock screen.
> > It's odd that Apple has not followed the lead of Android and added this
> > capability.
>
> You didn't look up lost mode, did you?

he didn't, or he ignored what he found because it shows him to be wrong
once again.

> With it enabled a lost iphone can have a message added to the lock screen
> which is likely more informative than whatever generic info you hardcoded
> into your jpeg image.

correct.

also, people aren't interested in putting contact info on the lock
screen either.

> I've not used android in a while, but I doubt it has a lead here.

it doesn't.

android added lost mode *after* apple did, the way it usually happens.

On 11 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in comp.mobile.android:

> that's a baseless claim, but regardless, the iphone 12 & 13 represent a
> significant portion of the install base, and it's *very* common to see
> people with one.

The 6.5 billion dollars saved is an estimate based on 190 million iPhones
sold since Apple began shipping the empty box starting with the iPhone 12.

In article <t318v5$i7d$1@dont-email.me>, Nil
<rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:

>
> > that's a baseless claim, but regardless, the iphone 12 & 13 represent a
> > significant portion of the install base, and it's *very* common to see
> > people with one.
>
> The 6.5 billion dollars saved is an estimate based on 190 million iPhones
> sold since Apple began shipping the empty box starting with the iPhone 12.

your script is broken.

you're posting the usual drivel to an entirely unrelated topic.

the script you want is the one that spews 'why bother locking it? do
you live in the slums where someone is going to steal your phone'.

On 11 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in comp.mobile.android:
> that's a baseless claim, but regardless, the iphone 12 & 13 represent a
> significant portion of the install base, and it's *very* common to see
> people with one.

>> The 6.5 billion dollars saved is an estimate based on 190 million iPhones
>> sold since Apple began shipping the empty box starting with the iPhone 12.

>>> you're posting the usual drivel to an entirely unrelated topic.

Wrong. Read it again. You are stupid.

You said the iPhone 12 & 13 "represent a significant portion of the install
base" to which I replied the estimate is 190M iPhones iPhone 12 & 13 sold.

Do you consider 190 million iPhones a "significant portion" of 1.8 billion?

In article <t31aq5$1kc$1@dont-email.me>, Nil
<rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:

> > that's a baseless claim, but regardless, the iphone 12 & 13 represent a
> > significant portion of the install base, and it's *very* common to see
> > people with one.
>
> >> The 6.5 billion dollars saved is an estimate based on 190 million iPhones
> >> sold since Apple began shipping the empty box starting with the iPhone 12.
>
> >>> you're posting the usual drivel to an entirely unrelated topic.
>
> Wrong. Read it again. You are stupid.
>
> You said the iPhone 12 & 13 "represent a significant portion of the install
> base" to which I replied the estimate is 190M iPhones iPhone 12 & 13 sold.

you said that apple began shipping an empty box, referring to your
usual drivel about a charger no longer being included, as is the case
with samsung and others.

or maybe you meant that apple actually ships empty boxes. that would
indeed be stupid.

in any event, apple does not release model breakdowns, therefore any
number is a wild *guess*.

apple has publicly stated that the iphone 12 broke all previous iphone
sales records, only to be broken yet again by the iphone 13.

look around. the iphone 12 & 13 are wildly popular.

it also doesn't matter since model share isn't the issue.

On 11 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in comp.mobile.android:

>>> that's a baseless claim, but regardless, the iphone 12 & 13 represent a
>>> significant portion of the install base, and it's *very* common to see
>>> people with one.
>>
>>>> The 6.5 billion dollars saved is an estimate based on 190 million iPhones
>>>> sold since Apple began shipping the empty box starting with the iPhone 12.
>>
>>>>> you're posting the usual drivel to an entirely unrelated topic.
>>
>> Wrong. Read it again. You are stupid.
>>
>> You said the iPhone 12 & 13 "represent a significant portion of the install
>> base" to which I replied the estimate is 190M iPhones iPhone 12 & 13 sold.
>
> you said that apple began shipping an empty box, referring to your
> usual drivel about a charger no longer being included, as is the case
> with samsung and others.
>
> or maybe you meant that apple actually ships empty boxes. that would
> indeed be stupid.

You are stupid. Read for comprehension next time.
Only you don't know what models the reference to the empty box indicates.

> in any event, apple does not release model breakdowns, therefore any
> number is a wild *guess*.
>
> apple has publicly stated that the iphone 12 broke all previous iphone
> sales records, only to be broken yet again by the iphone 13.
>
> look around. the iphone 12 & 13 are wildly popular.
>
> it also doesn't matter since model share isn't the issue.

Read it again for comprehension. It is referring to iPhone 12 & 13 share.

You said the share is "significant" and then you said yours is a wild guess.
I provided the cited 190 million which is the best of the published figures.

Are you stupid?
Is 190 million a "significant portion" of 1.8 billion or not?

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <t30i98$2p8$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> the fact is that apple addressed the issue.
>>
>> They've *tried* to address the issue. It is still a problem for many.
>
> they more than tried. they completely reimplemented face id using a new
> neural engine to work with masks.
>
> it is more compute intensive than without masks, therefore requires a
> recent iphone.
>
> prior to that, they added apple watch unlock support.
>
>>>> in use so people are still using the passcode.
>>>
>>> no they aren't.
>>
>> Yes they are. Anyone wearing a mask who doesn't own an iphone 12 or 13
>> can't use faceid so has to use the passcode. The apple watch fix, as I
>> recently found out, only works for the lock screen and so doesn't solve the
>> issues with faceid in all the apps that use it.
>
> how many apps do you use while wandering around in a store, where a
> mask is generally required?

A few. I sometimes need to check my bank balance. I also may need to check
a booking confirmation at a restaurant which requires access to my email
which is password protected. My passwords are in pw manager which uses
faceid.

Shops aren't the only place. Public transport is more commonly used in this
side of the pond than the US and masks are still required. So on journeys
there's many times you need to unlock your phone or access apps.

On 4/11/2022 5:26 AM, Chris wrote:

<snip>

> You didn't look up lost mode, did you?
>
> With it enabled a lost iphone can have a message added to the lock screen
> which is likely more informative than whatever generic info you hardcoded
> into your jpeg image.
>
> I've not used android in a while, but I doubt it has a lead here.

With lost mode the phone has to have service. You also have to have
turned on "Find My (device)" before it's lost.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't “Lost Mode” require another
Apple device to use it?

On 4/11/2022 5:21 AM, nospam wrote:

Think we discussed this lock screen info thing a few months ago but why
not do it again...

> because putting contact information in the lock screen is a really
> bad idea,

I only put an "if found" phone number. And that phone (the wife's) is
usually with us when we're out. So if I screw up and leave mine
somewhere it's entirely possible (if an honest bloke finds it) I could
get it back within minutes. IMO certainly worth it.

Second that phone number is already published in several public places
(both online and in print) and definitely not secret classified info.

Third nobody will see it on my screen unless I lose the phone. Last time
you said someone would look over my shoulder and see the number
(snicker) but I assure you it is in tiny print and that terrible
possibility is highly unlikely.

> which is why users do not want to do that.

You can't know what MOST users want or why.

> it's much better to invoke lost mode, where the owner can push
> whatever message they want

Yup. Push them a (gasp) phone number to call...

On 4/11/2022 8:19 AM, Chris wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <t30i98$2p8$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> the fact is that apple addressed the issue.
>>>
>>> They've *tried* to address the issue. It is still a problem for many.
>>
>> they more than tried. they completely reimplemented face id using a new
>> neural engine to work with masks.
>>
>> it is more compute intensive than without masks, therefore requires a
>> recent iphone.
>>
>> prior to that, they added apple watch unlock support.
>>
>>>>> in use so people are still using the passcode.
>>>>
>>>> no they aren't.
>>>
>>> Yes they are. Anyone wearing a mask who doesn't own an iphone 12 or 13
>>> can't use faceid so has to use the passcode. The apple watch fix, as I
>>> recently found out, only works for the lock screen and so doesn't solve the
>>> issues with faceid in all the apps that use it.
>>
>> how many apps do you use while wandering around in a store, where a
>> mask is generally required?
>
> A few. I sometimes need to check my bank balance. I also may need to check
> a booking confirmation at a restaurant which requires access to my email
> which is password protected. My passwords are in pw manager which uses
> faceid.
>
> Shops aren't the only place. Public transport is more commonly used in this
> side of the pond than the US and masks are still required. So on journeys
> there's many times you need to unlock your phone or access apps.

I always love the strange rationalizations that nospam is famous for!

Actually people use their phones inside a store a lot! Not just for
payments either.

In my area, while the county's mask mandate has been lifted, many stores
still require them. Even in stores that don't require them, most people
are still wearing them (which may be one reason my city has the lowest
per capita Covid rates. Also, public transport still requires masks in
my area.

On 4/11/2022 8:50 AM, sms wrote:

> Actually people use their phones inside a store a lot! Not just for
> payments either.

I kill time sitting on the store's husband's bench reading my ebook
while the wife shops...

> In my area, while the county's mask mandate has been lifted, many
> stores still require them. Even in stores that don't require them,
> most people are still wearing them (which may be one reason my city
> has the lowest per capita Covid rates. Also, public transport still
> requires masks in my area.

No masks required in any of the stores I frequent anymore. (My doctors
offices still do though.) Most folks are bare faced here. Got my
second booster 2 days after it became legal to get it. Absolutely no
line which surprised me...

In article <t31d0j$klv$1@dont-email.me>, Nil
<rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:

>
> Are you stupid?

you certainly are

> Is 190 million a "significant portion" of 1.8 billion or not?

there aren't 1.8 billion iphones in active use and 190 million is
nothing more than a guess.

In article <t31gtp$ngb$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >>> the fact is that apple addressed the issue.
> >>
> >> They've *tried* to address the issue. It is still a problem for many.
> >
> > they more than tried. they completely reimplemented face id using a new
> > neural engine to work with masks.

how would you have dealt with face id and masks?

since you don't think apple properly resolved it, what's your solution?
be specific.

....

> Shops aren't the only place. Public transport is more commonly used in this
> side of the pond than the US and masks are still required. So on journeys
> there's many times you need to unlock your phone or access apps.

express transit doesn't require authentication and even works if the
battery is too low for the phone to be powered on.

In article <t31h0p$oce$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> With lost mode the phone has to have service.

which is pretty much guaranteed.

the number of smartphones without active service is almost zero,
regardless of who makes it.

> You also have to have
> turned on "Find My (device)" before it's lost.

that's normally on.

> Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't ³Lost Mode² require another
> Apple device to use it?

you are wrong.

lost mode can be invoked at apple's web site, accessible from any
device with a web browser, which includes android phones, laptops or
even desktops. the phone can also be located via the same website.

In article <t31ip1$812$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> Actually people use their phones inside a store a lot! Not just for
> payments either.

not with apps that require authentication, they don't.

In article <t31ig2$5k6$1@dont-email.me>, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>
> > which is why users do not want to do that.
>
> You can't know what MOST users want or why.

that's what marketing surveys are designed to find out.

or just look around. how many people do you know who put their contact
information on their lock screen?

On 2022-04-11 6:03 a.m., Nil wrote:
> On 11 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in comp.mobile.android:
>
>> that's a baseless claim, but regardless, the iphone 12 & 13 represent a
>> significant portion of the install base, and it's *very* common to see
>> people with one.
>
> The 6.5 billion dollars saved is an estimate based on 190 million iPhones
> sold since Apple began shipping the empty box starting with the iPhone 12.

So you admit that that figure isn't an actual fact...

....but you posted it as fact, didn't you?

On 04/10/2022 10:18 PM, Why must Arlen lie? wrote:
> On 2022-04-10 1:45 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> I posit that something might be said about the IQs of users of those
>>> phones, but my daughter (who is really smart) uses iPhones.
>>> Accordingly, I suspect that people use whatever they started with --
>>> and iPhones were what her local provider was giving out.
>>
>> Apple has the finest marketing on earth (along with the lowest R&D in
>> tech).
>
> Why must you lie, Arlen?

Might not be a lie, at least about the 'marketing' thing -- every time
you see someone using a computer in a movie or tv show it's got a
glowing apple logo highly visible. I've been paying attention to this
for quite a while.

>> I have kids & grandkids in my own family who love iPhones where I've said
>> before I ask everyone I know (and even plenty in the Costco checkout) _why_
>> and what I get tells me a _lot_ about their susceptibility to propaganda.

--
Cheers, Bev

On 4/11/2022 9:11 AM, nospam wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>>> which is why users do not want to do that.
>>
>> You can't know what MOST users want or why.
>
> that's what marketing surveys are designed to find out.

Is there a lock screen content survey somewhere? Waiting for a link...

> or just look around. how many people do you know who put their
> contact information on their lock screen?

I've never asked anyone what they put on their lock screen. And like you
I can't otherwise know what they put there. My GUESS is that most don't
put anything on it simply because they never thought about it and/or
because it's a bit of a convoluted process...

On 04/11/2022 09:04 AM, AJL wrote:
> On 4/11/2022 8:50 AM, sms wrote:
>
>> Actually people use their phones inside a store a lot! Not just for
>> payments either.
>
> I kill time sitting on the store's husband's bench reading my ebook
> while the wife shops...
>
>> In my area, while the county's mask mandate has been lifted, many
>> stores still require them. Even in stores that don't require them,
>> most people are still wearing them (which may be one reason my city
>> has the lowest per capita Covid rates. Also, public transport still
>> requires masks in my area.
>
> No masks required in any of the stores I frequent anymore. (My doctors
> offices still do though.) Most folks are bare faced here. Got my
> second booster 2 days after it became legal to get it. Absolutely no
> line which surprised me...

Lots of people still wear masks when shopping, although not required.
BUT nearly everyone in the Aldi store in the Asian neighborhood was
wearing a mask.

--
Cheers, Bev

On 4/11/2022 8:46 AM, AJL wrote:
> On 4/11/2022 5:21 AM, nospam wrote:
>
> Think we discussed this lock screen info thing a few months ago but why
> not do it again...
>
>> because putting contact information in the lock screen is a really
>> bad idea,
>
> I only put an "if found" phone number. And that phone (the wife's) is
> usually with us when we're out. So if I screw up and leave mine
> somewhere it's entirely possible (if an honest bloke finds it) I could
> get it back within minutes. IMO certainly worth it.

nospam is wrong of course™.

An alternate phone number, or an e-mail address, on the lock screen is
all that's necessary for someone to be able to return the phone to their
owner.

Often an honest person does find the phone, at least judging from the
number of times I've seen "found a phone on the trail, how can I find
the owner?" posts on Nextdoor. Sometimes the carrier's name will be
displayed when the phone is powered on and returning the phone to a
carrier's store is the best you can do.

In the even that you lose your phone, having an alternate phone number
displayed on the lock screen, doesn't put anyone in danger, despite the
attempts by some of our trolls to fabricate weird scenarios. But if
someone is really paranoid, they can create a separate Gmail account and
a Google Voice number, to put on the lock screen.