In article <2faq8h1df8go3s9hchu67qdtor5r3gfrkg@4ax.com>, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

> This would be a place, would it not?, to buy one of those (complicated?)
> "Y-connectors" to keep charging the phone through the usb-c while
> playing the sound through the same port.

no. the best solution is a mains-powered speaker which uses a wireless
connection between phone and speaker, or a direct connection to the
source which eliminates the phone (or computer).

On 5/24/2022 11:57 AM, micky wrote:
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>> Another option, for Android, is a USB-C speaker. The advantage
>> over Bluetooth speakers is that there is no need to charge or power
>> the speaker separately, USB-C OTG will power the speaker as well
>> as transfer the audio.

> This would be a place, would it not?, to buy one of those
> (complicated?) "Y-connectors" to keep charging the phone through the
> usb-c while playing the sound through the same port.

Not that big of a deal. I use a Y-connector on my Chrome tablet which
like iStuff only came with one (USB-C in my case) port. It's a bit of a
PITA but works fine. In the future I think I'll stick to stuff with a
separate audio port. Unfortunately in the future they may be hard to
find. I see that the current Samsung tablets (among much other new
stuff) are now audio portless...

In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 24 May 2022 12:33:08 -0700, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>On 5/24/2022 11:57 AM, micky wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> This would be a place, would it not?, to buy one of those (complicated?)
>> "Y-connectors" to keep charging the phone through the usb-c while
>> playing the sound through the same port.
>
>True. I would not called those devices "complicated" though. You could

Only complicated because it confuses me, what's going in and what's
going out, and how does it know to move out the stuff meant to go out
and move in the stuff meant to go in. I have the same questions about
elevators.

>also charge wirelessly if the phone supports it.
>
><snip>
>
>> Another ad for the same thing:
>> https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Certified-Controls-Microphone-Connection/dp/B094YYY9CH/ref=sr_1_3_mod_primary_new
>
>It's a little less expensive at officesupply.com, especially with their
>10% off coupon.
><https://www.officesupply.com/technology/peripherals-memory/speakers-headsets/multimedia-speakers/microsoft-modern-speaker-system-black/p1095798.html>.

On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:12:17 +0200, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 24.05.22 um 13:41 schrieb nospam:
>> In article <t6i4vt$r24$2@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> "Good" is subjective.
>>>>
>>>> actually, it can be measured objectively.
>>>
>>> Only a ver tiny little spectrum of what makes sound to good sound.
>>> Cellphones will never have good sound from the speaker(s) for very
>>> simple physical reasons.
>>
>> some do.
>
> Nonsense.

Well, if the cellphone speakers are connected to the motherboard
with oxygen-free copper, high-quality speaker wires --
there you go! :-)

In article <slrnt8s84b.3bg.trepidation@vps.jonz.net>, Allodoxaphobia
<trepidation@example.net> wrote:

> >>> Only a ver tiny little spectrum of what makes sound to good sound.
> >>> Cellphones will never have good sound from the speaker(s) for very
> >>> simple physical reasons.
> >>
> >> some do.
> >
> > Nonsense.
>
> Well, if the cellphone speakers are connected to the motherboard
> with oxygen-free copper, high-quality speaker wires --
> there you go! :-)

exactly correct, and the phones with the absolute best sound use vacuum
tubes/valves.

they're not as thin as some people might prefer and they do get a bit
warm, so best not to put it in one's pocket for long listening
sessions.

On 5/25/2022 5:27 AM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:

<snip>

> Well, if the cellphone speakers are connected to the motherboard
> with oxygen-free copper, high-quality speaker wires --
> there you go! :-)

There's a good article about how Asus achieved the high-quality audio on
the ROG 5 at
<https://www.engadget.com/asus-rog-phone-5-gaming-phone-112327496.html>.

The trade-off for good front-facing speakers is that you need more bezel
area.

micky wrote:

>>> This would be a place, would it not?, to buy one of those
>>> (complicated?) "Y-connectors" to keep charging the phone through
>>> the usb-c while playing the sound through the same port.

> Only complicated because it confuses me, what's going in and what's
> going out, and how does it know to move out the stuff meant to go
> out and move in the stuff meant to go in.

Dunno. My Y-connector works on ALL my devices that have a USB-C port
including my phone and tablets that ALSO HAVE an audio hole. I tried it
on them because I was curious. I personally didn't hear any difference
in audio quality between the ports (using earphones) but then my old
ears may not be the best at judging such a thing...

sms wrote:

> There's a good article about how Asus achieved the high-quality audio

Personally, I doubt the physics is there for "high quality audio" given the
space & power constraints of a phone where I suspect the "high quality
audio" only exists in the bullshit marketing advertising full-page
published glossies.

What we'd need to see if anyone is going to be pressing for "high quality
audio" is a reputable set of tests of typical audiophile equipment
compared to the best smartphone audio anyone can come up with.

Having said I'll look at any objective data comparing true "high quality
audio" to the "shit quality audio" of a smartphone, as others have intoned,
I'm of the "opinion" that there's about a zero chance that the audio from
any smartphone speaker set will ever qualify as "high quality audio"; but
I'm sure that there are some phones with better audio output than some
amplifier/speaker combinations.

While I openly admit I'm not an audiophile (it's not something I care
about), if a tiny speaker set with a tiny amplifier stuffed into a tiny
cellphone box truly has "high quality audio", then we should be able to
find reliable comparisons of a phone's "high quality audio" to that of true
"high quality audio" equipment.

Without that reliable comparison, "high quality audio" on a phone is
wishful thinking by the user and complete bullshit in an advertisement
(IMHO).
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to help flesh out the answers.

AJL wrote:

> but then my old
> ears may not be the best at judging such a thing...

While I'm sure there is a huge difference in audio quality output between
phones... I doubt the physics is there to get true "high quality audio" out
of a smartphone, no matter who much the glossy advertisements say so.

Luckily there are tools that can graph the frequency response
where it's well established what "high quality audio" means to an
audiophile (although I understand there is value in personal tastes).

By that I'm aware that you don't need a perfectly flat frequency response
between 20 and 20K if you happen to like a few 3dB dips in the output.

Having said that background, what I'd like to see from those who claim
"high quality audio" from a tiny phone driven with a five watt hour battery
with a closely spaced set of tiny (likely piezoelectric) speakers... is an
independent reliable comparison.

If everyone simply quotes the advertising bullshit, we won't be able to
come to any conclusion other than advertising works well on utter fools.

Note I'm not an audiophile, but I'm a practical man who doesn't believe
everything that the well heeled advertisers (e.g., Apple) bullshit about.

If the audio from a puny phone is truly high quality audio, then we should
be able to find one-to-one independent comparisons to audiophile equipment.

I'll look at any reliable data people who claim "high quality audio" will
submit, but bear in mind if it's from the likes of Apple or Samsung, it's
already got one strike against it for bullshit...

But,. as always, since I'm eminently logical and sensible, I'll change my
mind on a dime if someone shows actual reliable evidence backing up their
claims of "high quality audio" on a puny smartphone set of puny speakers.
--
I agree with any logical & rational point of view, no matter from whom.

On 5/25/2022 8:38 AM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> AJL wrote:

>> my old ears may not be the best at judging such a thing [a
>> device's audio quality]...

> Luckily there are tools that can graph the frequency response where
> it's well established what "high quality audio" means to an
> audiophile

Even an old audiophile's ears may go bad with time and he may want to
adjust his music with an equalizer (as I do) to make up for his altered
organic listening spectrum.

> (although I understand there is value in personal tastes).

Exactly. If the music sounds good to the listener for whatever reason
that's really all that counts IMO. Beauty is in the eye...

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 25 May 2022 07:41:17 -0700, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>On 5/25/2022 5:27 AM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Well, if the cellphone speakers are connected to the motherboard
>> with oxygen-free copper, high-quality speaker wires --
>> there you go! :-)
>
>There's a good article about how Asus achieved the high-quality audio on
>the ROG 5 at
><https://www.engadget.com/asus-rog-phone-5-gaming-phone-112327496.html>.
>
>The trade-off for good front-facing speakers is that you need more bezel
>area.

I wondered about that. If they could put the speakers in the same place
which does display and allows tapping. I couldn't do it but who knows
what they can do!

In article <9cct8h9ipdgggr7up7qc2kuit2gd7i7eha@4ax.com>, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

> If they could put the speakers in the same place
> which does display and allows tapping. I couldn't do it but who knows
> what they can do!

at least one did:

<https://www.businessinsider.com/meizu-zero-hole-less-wireless-smartphon
e-2019-1>
The Meizu Zero doesn't have any holes ‹ even for the speaker.
Instead, the phone features Meizu¹s "mSound 2.0" technology,
which lets the sound come from the screen itself.

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 25 May 2022 19:09:56 -0400, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>In article <9cct8h9ipdgggr7up7qc2kuit2gd7i7eha@4ax.com>, micky
><NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>> If they could put the speakers in the same place
>> which does display and allows tapping. I couldn't do it but who knows
>> what they can do!
>
>at least one did:
>
><https://www.businessinsider.com/meizu-zero-hole-less-wireless-smartphon
>e-2019-1>
> The Meizu Zero doesn't have any holes ‹ even for the speaker.
> Instead, the phone features Meizu¹s "mSound 2.0" technology,
> which lets the sound come from the screen itself.

Wow. I wonder if it sounds "glassy".

On 5/24/2022 12:24 PM, sms wrote:

<snip>

> I plugged my Logitech USB speakers into two Android phones with a USB-C
> to USB-A adapter. It works fine, but the volume is not nearly as high as
> it is when plugged into my laptop. I don't have one of the USB-C
> speakers like the Microsoft device.

I do have this one <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NX6G7L1> which sounds
pretty good and is pretty inexpensive. Nice and loud when connected to a
phone (or laptop). It's USB-A but comes with a USB-A to USB-C adapter.
You can use a Y adapter if you want to charge at the same time. I tried
it with two Android phones. It took some settings changes on my Samsung
Note 9 to direct the audio out the USB-C port.

It also works with an iPad that uses USB-C so hopefully when the iPhone
transitions to USB-C you'll be able to use these sort of speakers with
the iPhone as well.

I added 180a, USB-C speakers and headsets" on page 79 of the document
<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>.

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✓ 33 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they Had ✓
✓ 181 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish
they Had ✓
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AJL wrote:

>> (although I understand there is value in personal tastes).
>
> Exactly. If the music sounds good to the listener for whatever reason
> that's really all that counts IMO. Beauty is in the eye...

I agree there is value in personal tastes when we're comparing "quality" of
audio output.

I simply make the assertion that the tiny speakers in a phone are limited
by the physics of size and power.

However, pre amplifiers in a phone "may" not necessarily be as limited by
the physics of size and power as the speakers would be.

Hence, I assert the only "useful" comparison "might" be between the pre-amp
outputs of various smartphones, compared to quality audiophile equipment.
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