Am 17.06.22 um 19:29 schrieb nospam:
> In article <t8ikil.cu0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> So you consider yourself as such an expert? Maybe you are, but I don't
>>> know you.
>>
>> If you're looking for real experts, you're looking in the wrong place.
>> There's no way a general Android newsgroup has an audience of only
>> exports, each in their own field, where there are hundreds if not
>> thousands of fields.
>
> the only people here are imports.

After all, we all can do with
a laugh now and then, can't we!?

;-)

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On 2022-06-16 19:17, Martin Τrautmann wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 00:14:37 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> *Five mobile data usage tracking and monitoring apps for Android*
>>> <https://www.androidguys.com/reviews/mobile-data-usage-apps-android/>
>>
>> It is not monitoring, but disconnecting cellular data he wants. That is
>> what is not allowed.
>
> I agree. I can't be done by apps. But it was built into the system
> before and it was removed from it.
>
> Do you know where to send suggestions (or even petitions) for Google's
> Android?

Nope.

Anyway, if they are set on the idea that no, you must not have this
feature, no amount of moaning will get it back.

They claimed security concerns.

So, get a phone with a different operating system if you need control.

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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 22:53:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> So, get a phone with a different operating system if you need control.

Ok, I'll build one of my own

On 2022-06-18 10:30, Martin Τrautmann wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 22:53:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> So, get a phone with a different operating system if you need control.
>
> Ok, I'll build one of my own

:-)

There are Linux phones out there somewhere...

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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> On 17 Jun 2022 17:37:58 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Are you for real? NetGuard is available through the Play Store (or
> > Google Play website), I gave you the link.
>
> That aimed at the My Data Manager

That wasn't clear, because it was below Andy Burnelli's comments on
NetGuard.

Anyway, most of what you describe about My Data Manager isn't correct
either.

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 17.06.22 um 19:29 schrieb nospam:
> > In article <t8ikil.cu0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> > <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> So you consider yourself as such an expert? Maybe you are, but I don't
> >>> know you.
> >>
> >> If you're looking for real experts, you're looking in the wrong place.
> >> There's no way a general Android newsgroup has an audience of only
> >> exports, each in their own field, where there are hundreds if not
> >> thousands of fields.
> >
> > the only people here are imports.
>
> After all, we all can do with
> a laugh now and then, can't we!?
>
> ;-)

Those "killfiles" of yours aren't really working all that well, are
they!?

Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> On 17 Jun 2022 17:42:44 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> >> On 16 Jun 2022 19:03:15 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> > Are these "rogue" applications, apps which you install and suddenly
> >> > run away? Or are they apps which you install and run away when you run
> >> > them? Or other?
> >>
> >> This time it was me, using a web browser, but failing to see that it had
> >> lost WLAN connection and consumed my monthly data volume within hours.
> >>
> >> I now have changed the web browser not to use mobile data and I might
> >> have to use another browser if I actually want to browse with mobile
> >> data - it's too much effort to turn mobile browsing on and off within
> >> the same browser.
> >
> > Again, NetGuard would make switching easier.
>
> I now tried NetGuard.
>
> It wants to sell Pro functions here and there and there and there.
>
> Nothing against the wish to earn some money. But if it asks me again and
> again, I'm pissed.

Perhaps you should try Andy Burnelli's versions. He's very much into
privacy and - AFAIK - very much dislikes adds,

I don't use NetGuard, because my previous phone had this kind of
functionality built-in and on my current phone I do not (yet?) need it.

> But I do not find a switch for a daily total mobile data amount warning.
> NetGuard may help me to identify applications which used most of the
> data - but I can see this info from the system anyway. I want to limit
> it before I will see it, e.g. because a video or internet radio will
> continue to play via mobile data, although it should use WLAN only.

It's not to limit mobile data, but to switch off (or on) mobile data
*access* on a per app basis. So you turn off mobile data access for your
video player, your internet radio app and any other app which should not
use mobile data. If you change your mind, you can change the settings
again.

> >> Before, mobile data would have stopped at 50 MB, making me aware of the
> >> mobile browsing, instead of using 2 GB within a few hours and leaving me
> >> with 16 kbps of data for the rest of the month.
> >
> > What is your monthly data bundle and at what daily limit do you want
> > to catch these "rogue" applications?
>
> 12 GB/year, so limit to 1 GB/month and 50 MB/day. If I decide to use
> more that day, I still can override it for that day.

On 18 Jun 2022 13:44:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> It's not to limit mobile data, but to switch off (or on) mobile data
> *access* on a per app basis. So you turn off mobile data access for your
> video player, your internet radio app and any other app which should not
> use mobile data. If you change your mind, you can change the settings
> again.

So maybe it's easier to do it with this app, but this can also be done
from the system itself.

Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> On 18 Jun 2022 13:44:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > It's not to limit mobile data, but to switch off (or on) mobile data
> > *access* on a per app basis. So you turn off mobile data access for your
> > video player, your internet radio app and any other app which should not
> > use mobile data. If you change your mind, you can change the settings
> > again.
>
> So maybe it's easier to do it with this app, but this can also be done
> from the system itself.

It can only be done from the system itself, if the system has this
functionality, which not all phones have.

Note that NetGuard can deny (or allow) access to Wi-Fi or/and mobile
data on a *per app* basis:

"Applications and addresses can individually be allowed or denied access
to your Wi-Fi and/or mobile connection."

Most phones can only deny (or allow) access to Wi-Fi or/and mobile for
*all apps at once*.

Does your phone have this *per app* functionality? (As I mentioned, my
previous phone (Huawei Y5[60-L02]) had this functionality.)

Am 18.06.22 um 15:43 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 17.06.22 um 19:29 schrieb nospam:
>>> In article <t8ikil.cu0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
>>> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So you consider yourself as such an expert? Maybe you are, but I don't
>>>>> know you.
>>>>
>>>> If you're looking for real experts, you're looking in the wrong place.
>>>> There's no way a general Android newsgroup has an audience of only
>>>> exports, each in their own field, where there are hundreds if not
>>>> thousands of fields.
>>>
>>> the only people here are imports.
>>
>> After all, we all can do with
>> a laugh now and then, can't we!?
>>
>> ;-)
>
> Those "killfiles" of yours aren't really working all that well, are
> they!?

They work perfectly and I work with them. They are extremely versatile.
An experience you certainly do not share with your "Tin Lizzie" ...
*ROTFLSTC*

User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX)
(CYGWIN_NT-6.3-WOW/2.8.0(0.309/5/3) (i686)) Hamster/2.0.2.2
X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 220618-2, 6/18/2022), Outbound message
X-Antivirus-Status: Clean

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T

--
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Am 18.06.22 um 14:35 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
> On 2022-06-18 10:30, Martin Τrautmann wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 22:53:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> So, get a phone with a different operating system if you need control.
>>
>> Ok, I'll build one of my own
>
> :-)
>
> There are Linux phones out there somewhere...

https://tuxphones.com/best-linux-phones-buying-guide-2022/

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Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 18.06.22 um 15:43 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> > Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> >> Am 17.06.22 um 19:29 schrieb nospam:
> >>> In article <t8ikil.cu0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> >>> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So you consider yourself as such an expert? Maybe you are, but I don't
> >>>>> know you.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you're looking for real experts, you're looking in the wrong place.
> >>>> There's no way a general Android newsgroup has an audience of only
> >>>> exports, each in their own field, where there are hundreds if not
> >>>> thousands of fields.
> >>>
> >>> the only people here are imports.
> >>
> >> After all, we all can do with
> >> a laugh now and then, can't we!?
> >>
> >> ;-)
> >
> > Those "killfiles" of yours aren't really working all that well, are
> > they!?
>
>
> They work perfectly and I work with them. They are extremely versatile.
> An experience you certainly do not share with your "Tin Lizzie" ...
> *ROTFLSTC*
>
> User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX)
> (CYGWIN_NT-6.3-WOW/2.8.0(0.309/5/3) (i686)) Hamster/2.0.2.2
> X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 220618-2, 6/18/2022), Outbound message
> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0)
Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.10.0

Ah, Thunderbird on a pretend computer! :-) I use Thunderbird for
email. For NetNews/Usenet, I use a *real* client. :-)

And by the way, you missed the "Hamster" bit! Hamster has about the
most powerful filtering available. IIRC, Dialog's filtering is based on
Hamster's.

Anyway, happy killfiling and happy reading. Have a nice day.

On 6/18/2022 8:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> I use Thunderbird for email. For NetNews/Usenet, I use a *real*
> client. :-)

Thunderbird's my favorite newsreader. It's much easier to use than my
Android newsreaders PhoNews and Groundhog. Still looking for a better
Android newsreader if anyone has any suggestions...

BTW earlier I was using the Android app CrossOver beta, a Windows
emulator, to run Thunderbird on my Chromebooks. Had a few glitches but
for the most part it worked very well. Unfortunately the Play Store
removed CrossOver so I'm now stuck with PhoNews on my new CB toys.

> happy killfiling and happy reading. Have a nice day.

Didn't we discuss the [xxxxxx] solution once before? ;)

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> On 6/18/2022 8:53 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
> > I use Thunderbird for email. For NetNews/Usenet, I use a *real*
> > client. :-)
>
> Thunderbird's my favorite newsreader. It's much easier to use than my
> Android newsreaders PhoNews and Groundhog. Still looking for a better
> Android newsreader if anyone has any suggestions...
>
> BTW earlier I was using the Android app CrossOver beta, a Windows
> emulator, to run Thunderbird on my Chromebooks. Had a few glitches but
> for the most part it worked very well. Unfortunately the Play Store
> removed CrossOver so I'm now stuck with PhoNews on my new CB toys.

I assume you're not in for one of the CUI (Character/Console UI)
newsreaders (like slrn, tin, etc.), are you? (See my 'User-Agent:'
header.)

If you are in for those you could try Termux - a Linux-like
environment for Android - and try to get/build one of those CUI
newsreaders.

'Termux'
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux>

AFAIK, there's no GUI environment in/for Termux.

I'm not aware of any Linux-like GUI environment for Android, but maybe
there is.

I've never looked into a newsreader for/on Android, because I only use
Usenet/NetNews on my laptop, mostly only at home, not on holiday/
vacation or other trips.

On 6/18/22 1:30 AM, Martin Τrautmann wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 22:53:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> So, get a phone with a different operating system if you need control.
>
> Ok, I'll build one of my own

When we got our first computer in 1977 hubby had to write his own BIOS.
How hard could it be?

--
Cheers, Bev
Vampireware; n, a project capable of sucking the lifeblood
out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it,
which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless
refuses to die. -- Trygve Lode

On 6/18/2022 10:55 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>> Still looking for a better Android newsreader if anyone has any
>> suggestions...

> I assume you're not in for one of the CUI (Character/Console UI)
> newsreaders (like slrn, tin, etc.), are you? (See my 'User-Agent:'
> header.) If you are in for those you could try Termux - a Linux-like
> environment for Android - and try to get/build one of those CUI
> newsreaders.

> 'Termux' <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux>
> AFAIK, there's no GUI environment in/for Termux.

That appears beyond my geeky capabilities I'm afraid. But thanks for the
suggestion.

> I'm not aware of any Linux-like GUI environment for Android, but
> maybe there is.

I'm told that Linux is easily available on my Chromebooks but have yet
to try it.

> I've never looked into a newsreader for/on Android, because I only
> use Usenet/NetNews on my laptop, mostly only at home, not on
> holiday/ vacation or other trips.

I use this Thunderbird app for posting most of the time, I suppose
because I always have and am used to it. One thing I like is
the spell checker so that I don't embarrass myself quite so often. Also
the keyboard is nice vs punching it out an Android tablet screen.
I still do occasionally post using my phone (PhoNews since Groundhog
broke with Android 10) when out and killing time waiting for you know who...

Am 18.06.22 um 17:53 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> Ah, Thunderbird on a pretend computer! :-) I use Thunderbird for
> email. For NetNews/Usenet, I use a *real* client. :-)

Tin? Insecure old crap born roughly 30years ago. Offered on a website
without https with download from a ftp-server. Both perhaps acceptable
in the last century.

You claim to be an expert? *ROTFLSTC*

IIRC, Dialog's filtering is based on Hamster's.

Very very old crap I stopped using 2002. Both btw.

I will never ever in my life use an "$OS$" again which is nothing less
than the female chaos in Gates's brain.

> Anyway, happy killfiling and happy reading. Have a nice day.

Have a cool weekend.

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

On 6/18/22 2:23 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 18.06.22 um 17:53 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
>> Ah, Thunderbird on a pretend computer! :-) I use Thunderbird for
>> email. For NetNews/Usenet, I use a *real* client. :-)
>
> Tin? Insecure old crap born roughly 30years ago. Offered on a website
> without https with download from a ftp-server. Both perhaps acceptable
> in the last century.

I really liked tin. I zipped through it, selecting what I wanted to
read, and then read it. When I switched to Netscape I missed tin's
features... until I forgot about them. Still, liking it isn't shameful.

--
Cheers, Bev
People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's
safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs. --Unknown

Am 18.06.22 um 23:50 schrieb The Real Bev:
> On 6/18/22 2:23 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 18.06.22 um 17:53 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
>>> Ah, Thunderbird on a pretend computer! :-) I use Thunderbird for
>>> email. For NetNews/Usenet, I use a *real* client. :-)
>>
>> Tin? Insecure old crap born roughly 30years ago. Offered on a website
>> without https with download from a ftp-server. Both perhaps acceptable
>> in the last century.
>
> I really liked tin. I zipped through it, selecting what I wanted to
> read, and then read it. When I switched to Netscape I missed tin's
> features... until I forgot about them. Still, liking it isn't shameful.

It certainly isn't.
But Frank wanted to brag but he chose the wrong lever.

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Am 18.06.22 um 20:40 schrieb The Real Bev:
> On 6/18/22 1:30 AM, Martin Τrautmann wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 22:53:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> So, get a phone with a different operating system if you need control.
>>
>> Ok, I'll build one of my own
>
> When we got our first computer in 1977 hubby had to write his own BIOS.
> How hard could it be?

Very hard. Believe me. Programming of a today's OS ist quite different.
Once you have the OS you can't use the machine for anything else than to
be proud.

--
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On 6/18/22 10:59 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 18.06.22 um 20:40 schrieb The Real Bev:
>> On 6/18/22 1:30 AM, Martin Τrautmann wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 22:53:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> So, get a phone with a different operating system if you need control.
>>>
>>> Ok, I'll build one of my own
>>
>> When we got our first computer in 1977 hubby had to write his own BIOS.
>> How hard could it be?
>
> Very hard. Believe me. Programming of a today's OS ist quite different.
> Once you have the OS you can't use the machine for anything else than to
> be proud.

I'm joking, of course. I did a little FORTRAN programming for some
accounting crap, and quite a bit of dBaseII stuff, but I really hate
programming. I just can't think in the required detail. Hubby and son
love it, though.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do.
They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy,
they'd have indoor plumbing by now." -- Ann Coulter

Am 19.06.22 um 08:36 schrieb The Real Bev:
> On 6/18/22 10:59 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Very hard. Believe me. Programming of a today's OS ist quite different.
>> Once you have the OS you can't use the machine for anything else than to
>> be proud.
>
> I'm joking, of course. I did a little FORTRAN programming for some
> accounting crap, and quite a bit of dBaseII stuff, but I really hate
> programming. I just can't think in the required detail. Hubby and son
> love it, though.

I did some Basic, Cobol and Fortran programming back in the late 70s on
large scale/mainframe computers at a Polytechnical Institute in
Switzerland. To be honest: Forgotten almost everything ...

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

On 6/18/22 11:57 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 19.06.22 um 08:36 schrieb The Real Bev:
>> On 6/18/22 10:59 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Very hard. Believe me. Programming of a today's OS ist quite different.
>>> Once you have the OS you can't use the machine for anything else than to
>>> be proud.
>>
>> I'm joking, of course. I did a little FORTRAN programming for some
>> accounting crap, and quite a bit of dBaseII stuff, but I really hate
>> programming. I just can't think in the required detail. Hubby and son
>> love it, though.
>
> I did some Basic, Cobol and Fortran programming back in the late 70s on
> large scale/mainframe computers at a Polytechnical Institute in
> Switzerland. To be honest: Forgotten almost everything ...

Hubby learned to program when his company sent him to DC to figure out
why some software wasn't working. At the time he knew NOTHING about
programming. After looking at the printouts he had a Eureka moment: "I
see the problem -- some idiot keeps writing j=j+1 !"

He learned to program reading those FORTRAN printouts and ultimately
discovered the problem. Ultimately he was described as 'speaking
FORTRAN like a native'.

Son learned BASIC at 11, fixing the programs in the '101 BASIC Games'
book. He skipped FORTRAN and went on to C...

I envy them.

--
Cheers, Bev
Organized people will never know the sheer joyous ecstasy of finding
something that was believed to have been irretrievably lost.
-- D. Stern

Joerg Lorenz wrote:

> But Frank wanted to brag but he chose the wrong lever.

Joerg Lorenz has the factual assessment cognition of a very small child.

Fact is...
*Frank knows more about Usenet than Joerg & probably more than most of us.

And I'm no fan of Frank's unprepossessing personality.
I simply tell it as it is.

On the other hand, Joerg is a moron of the piece of shit worthless kind.
To be in Joerg's killfile is the best thing that could happen to Usenet.

Back on topic, only Frank, Andy Burns, and I tried to help the OP.
It's up to the OP to take advantage of that friendly help, or not.
--
Everyone else who posted, IMHO, simply wasted everyone's time & energy.

Carlos E. R. wrote:

> Anyway, if they are set on the idea that no, you must not have this
> feature, no amount of moaning will get it back.
>
> They claimed security concerns.
>
> So, get a phone with a different operating system if you need control.

I appreciate that the OP and Frank, in particular, brought up the Android
11+ storage-option hurdles that none of the rest of us (AFAICT) had any
clue about, which I appreciate.

I've learned a _lot_ from this thread (as I do from almost every thread
where the iKooks and the morons don't destroy anyway).

Given what we know now, I give it _zero_ chance Google will be receptive to
a "suggestion" since in fact, AFAICT, nothing is wrong.

What "seems" to have happened is simply Google changed the way things are
done, where, before, there were certain APIs to store app data on the
external sdcard, and now there are _different_ APIs to do that task.

The difference being _only_ the app can access that store external data.
Which sounds like a good idea to me (borrowed from Apple most likely).

Hence, here are my assessments of the known facts (AFAICT):
a. Google changed the APIs for good reasons in Android 11+
b. Any app is welcome to change their APIs at any time thereafter
c. I tested the OP's suggested app, OsmAnd~ which seemed to work just fine

Hence as far as I can tell, if there is an app extent that does not store
its data on the external sdcard, it's not Google but the app developers
that folks would need to complain to.

Am I wrong?
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Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information.