On 2023-12-18 12:36, Wally J wrote:
> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>
>>> What's to the right of the last D-K test result quartile, Hemidactylus?
>> I'm not playing your silly gotcha game with poorly put questions, Morlock.
>> If the D-K effect evaporates into artifact there's nothing but shapes in
>> clouds. The graphs mean nothing. That you are still clinging to D-K shows
>> you haven't gotten the memo.
>
> Don't worry Hemidactylus,
>
> I knew you never read their seminal papers, so you have no clue whom they
> studied, just like Alan Baker is a liar that he teaches racing since he
> doesn't even know the difference between a bimmer and a beamer (which grew
> up as racing terms)
LOL!

Oh, Arlen... ...I don't need to lie.

Here's my page at DriverDB:

<https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/alan-baker>

Here's me in my RF98 Van Diemen Honda:

<https://martinsactionphotography.smugmug.com/2019-SCCBC-Race-6-Sunday-October-13-2019/i-cVjrfp9/A>

And here is the Sports Car Club of BC Race Drivers Committee (i.e. the
instructors):

<https://www.sccbc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/dt-7-scaled-1800x650.jpg>

That's me kneeling by the front wheel in the sunglasses.

'The Race Drivers Committee organizes and operates the SCCBC Race Driver
Training Program. The driver training program is an important part of
preparing to enter the sport of racing at Mission and is a prerequisite
to acquiring a Novice race license. The twice annual Race Driver
Training program provides unparalleled instruction on handling vehicles
under extreme conditions. For more information, visit the Race Drivers
Training Program page.

Membership on the Race Drivers Committee is by invitation only. The
committee is comprised of some of the best racers in British Columbia.
Most committee members have won championships in their class while
others have done consistently well over the years and have proven
themselves capable of excelling in all race conditions.'

And here's the archived version of the page on the Race Drivers Committee:

<https://web.archive.org/web/20230422005048/https://www.sccbc.net/about-sccbc/race-drivers/>

'Race Drivers Committee Chairman Alan Baker'

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>
>>> What's to the right of the last D-K test result quartile, Hemidactylus?
>> I'm not playing your silly gotcha game with poorly put questions, Morlock.
>> If the D-K effect evaporates into artifact there's nothing but shapes in
>> clouds. The graphs mean nothing. That you are still clinging to D-K shows
>> you haven't gotten the memo.
>
> Don't worry Hemidactylus,
>
> I knew you never read their seminal papers, so you have no clue whom they
> studied, just like Alan Baker is a liar that he teaches racing since he
> doesn't even know the difference between a bimmer and a beamer (which grew
> up as racing terms) just as nospam constantly claims imaginary apps for iOS
> that don't exist, just as Alan Baker always claims every fact is a lie,
> etc.
>
> Hemidactylus, Alan Browne, Snit, Alan Baker, Lewis, nospam, et al.
>
> You iKooks all _hate_ facts.
> You iKooks all _fear_ facts, in fact.
>
> Hence, you fear (and hate) anyone who presents facts to an Apple newsgroup.
>
> Yes, I know you iKooks better than you know yourselves, Hemidactylus.
> a. None of you iKooks has an IQ that even approaches normal
> b. None of you iKooks has any education above high school as a result
> c. But worse, you're all completely ignorant of everything you speak about
>
> You have no idea what a quartile is and yet it's used many times in the
> seminal D-K papers, Hemidactylus, as it's an important inflection point.
>
> Every one of you strange iKooks owns completely imaginary belief systems.
> None of you strange iKooks makes any assessment based on the facts.
>
> *The iKooks is a religious zealot.*
>
> Which, by the way, truth be told, is exactly the reason why Alan Browne
> thinks that anyone who is not a religious zealot is an "it", and why Jolly
> Roger thinks anyone who is not a religious zealot is a "loser", and why
> Alan Baker thinks anyone who is not a religious zealot is "gay", etc.

I posted multiple links showing the whole concept of D-K itself is flawed
and instead of acknowledging that you march out some trivial graphs and
still cling to the concept. This shows you are an uncritical ideologue. No
surprise there. It’s like me saying phrenology is flawed and pointing to
some expert debunkings and you asking me to examine a bump on your head
because head bumps are fundamental to understanding your idee fixe of
“iKooks”.

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
>
>> Regardless of its needs, no woman or man should be called upon to
>> sacrifice their dignity to it.
>
> *To the adults on these childish Apple OS newsgroups...*
>
> a. [JR] The first person calls people "losers" & thinks that is clever.
> b. [Baker] The next calls people gay & thinks that's really clever.
> b. [Browne] The third calls people an "it", thinking that's also clever.
>
> Isn't that strange?
> A. This doesn't happen on the adult operating systems newsgroups.
> B. It's only on the child-like Apple operating system newsgroups.
> C. Why?
>
> Specifically:
> *Why do you think these people repeatedly act & think like children do?*
>
> NOTE: It's their _only_ response to facts about Apple that they hate.

Somebody who brags about adulthood and expertise as you do is most likely
neither an adult nor expert in anything. The only reason you keep coming
here is to make up for some embarrassingly shameful shortcomings you must
have. We are forced to suffer the effects of your inadequacies and
insecurities. Nobody posts like you do without having some severe
psychological issues. Glad I’m not you. Schadenfreude is an amazing thing.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-12-18 12:36, Wally J wrote:
>> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>>
>>>> What's to the right of the last D-K test result quartile, Hemidactylus?
>>> I'm not playing your silly gotcha game with poorly put questions, Morlock.
>>> If the D-K effect evaporates into artifact there's nothing but shapes in
>>> clouds. The graphs mean nothing. That you are still clinging to D-K shows
>>> you haven't gotten the memo.
>>
>> Don't worry Hemidactylus,
>>
>> I knew you never read their seminal papers, so you have no clue whom they
>> studied, just like Alan Baker is a liar that he teaches racing since he
>> doesn't even know the difference between a bimmer and a beamer (which grew
>> up as racing terms)
> LOL!
>
> Oh, Arlen... ...I don't need to lie.
>
> Here's my page at DriverDB:
>
> <https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/alan-baker>
>
> Here's me in my RF98 Van Diemen Honda:
>
> <https://martinsactionphotography.smugmug.com/2019-SCCBC-Race-6-Sunday-October-13-2019/i-cVjrfp9/A>
>
> And here is the Sports Car Club of BC Race Drivers Committee (i.e. the
> instructors):
>
> <https://www.sccbc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/dt-7-scaled-1800x650.jpg>
>
> That's me kneeling by the front wheel in the sunglasses.
>
> 'The Race Drivers Committee organizes and operates the SCCBC Race Driver
> Training Program. The driver training program is an important part of
> preparing to enter the sport of racing at Mission and is a prerequisite
> to acquiring a Novice race license. The twice annual Race Driver
> Training program provides unparalleled instruction on handling vehicles
> under extreme conditions. For more information, visit the Race Drivers
> Training Program page.
>
> Membership on the Race Drivers Committee is by invitation only. The
> committee is comprised of some of the best racers in British Columbia.
> Most committee members have won championships in their class while
> others have done consistently well over the years and have proven
> themselves capable of excelling in all race conditions.'
>
> And here's the archived version of the page on the Race Drivers Committee:
>
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20230422005048/https://www.sccbc.net/about-sccbc/race-drivers/>
>
> 'Race Drivers Committee Chairman Alan Baker'
>
Hah! Arlen is an F1 driver so there! You will respect his authority on all
things like he’s the know-it-all version of Cartman from South Park. He’s
probably a pilot, yachtsman, and former Delta operator who spent a decade
in the Activity.

Or he’s just an empty braggart with no life and nothing to show for all the
hours wasted in mommy’s basement being an obnoxious snot on usenet groups.
He should thank us all profusely for even recognizing he exists.

On 2023-12-18 14:07, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-12-18 12:36, Wally J wrote:
>>> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>>>
>>>>> What's to the right of the last D-K test result quartile, Hemidactylus?
>>>> I'm not playing your silly gotcha game with poorly put questions, Morlock.
>>>> If the D-K effect evaporates into artifact there's nothing but shapes in
>>>> clouds. The graphs mean nothing. That you are still clinging to D-K shows
>>>> you haven't gotten the memo.
>>>
>>> Don't worry Hemidactylus,
>>>
>>> I knew you never read their seminal papers, so you have no clue whom they
>>> studied, just like Alan Baker is a liar that he teaches racing since he
>>> doesn't even know the difference between a bimmer and a beamer (which grew
>>> up as racing terms)
>> LOL!
>>
>> Oh, Arlen... ...I don't need to lie.
>>
>> Here's my page at DriverDB:
>>
>> <https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/alan-baker>
>>
>> Here's me in my RF98 Van Diemen Honda:
>>
>> <https://martinsactionphotography.smugmug.com/2019-SCCBC-Race-6-Sunday-October-13-2019/i-cVjrfp9/A>
>>
>> And here is the Sports Car Club of BC Race Drivers Committee (i.e. the
>> instructors):
>>
>> <https://www.sccbc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/dt-7-scaled-1800x650.jpg>
>>
>> That's me kneeling by the front wheel in the sunglasses.
>>
>> 'The Race Drivers Committee organizes and operates the SCCBC Race Driver
>> Training Program. The driver training program is an important part of
>> preparing to enter the sport of racing at Mission and is a prerequisite
>> to acquiring a Novice race license. The twice annual Race Driver
>> Training program provides unparalleled instruction on handling vehicles
>> under extreme conditions. For more information, visit the Race Drivers
>> Training Program page.
>>
>> Membership on the Race Drivers Committee is by invitation only. The
>> committee is comprised of some of the best racers in British Columbia.
>> Most committee members have won championships in their class while
>> others have done consistently well over the years and have proven
>> themselves capable of excelling in all race conditions.'
>>
>> And here's the archived version of the page on the Race Drivers Committee:
>>
>> <https://web.archive.org/web/20230422005048/https://www.sccbc.net/about-sccbc/race-drivers/>
>>
>> 'Race Drivers Committee Chairman Alan Baker'
>>
> Hah! Arlen is an F1 driver so there! You will respect his authority on all
> things like he’s the know-it-all version of Cartman from South Park. He’s
> probably a pilot, yachtsman, and former Delta operator who spent a decade
> in the Activity.

But, but... ...he misspelled "beemer" as "beamer".

He can't possibly know ANYTHING!

LOL!

>
> Or he’s just an empty braggart with no life and nothing to show for all the
> hours wasted in mommy’s basement being an obnoxious snot on usenet groups.
> He should thank us all profusely for even recognizing he exists.

Or, yeah... ...that's probably it.

:-)

On 2023-12-18 17:07, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-12-18 12:36, Wally J wrote:
>>> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>>>
>>>>> What's to the right of the last D-K test result quartile, Hemidactylus?
>>>> I'm not playing your silly gotcha game with poorly put questions, Morlock.
>>>> If the D-K effect evaporates into artifact there's nothing but shapes in
>>>> clouds. The graphs mean nothing. That you are still clinging to D-K shows
>>>> you haven't gotten the memo.
>>>
>>> Don't worry Hemidactylus,
>>>
>>> I knew you never read their seminal papers, so you have no clue whom they
>>> studied, just like Alan Baker is a liar that he teaches racing since he
>>> doesn't even know the difference between a bimmer and a beamer (which grew
>>> up as racing terms)
>> LOL!
>>
>> Oh, Arlen... ...I don't need to lie.
>>
>> Here's my page at DriverDB:
>>
>> <https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/alan-baker>
>>
>> Here's me in my RF98 Van Diemen Honda:
>>
>> <https://martinsactionphotography.smugmug.com/2019-SCCBC-Race-6-Sunday-October-13-2019/i-cVjrfp9/A>
>>
>> And here is the Sports Car Club of BC Race Drivers Committee (i.e. the
>> instructors):
>>
>> <https://www.sccbc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/dt-7-scaled-1800x650.jpg>
>>
>> That's me kneeling by the front wheel in the sunglasses.
>>
>> 'The Race Drivers Committee organizes and operates the SCCBC Race Driver
>> Training Program. The driver training program is an important part of
>> preparing to enter the sport of racing at Mission and is a prerequisite
>> to acquiring a Novice race license. The twice annual Race Driver
>> Training program provides unparalleled instruction on handling vehicles
>> under extreme conditions. For more information, visit the Race Drivers
>> Training Program page.
>>
>> Membership on the Race Drivers Committee is by invitation only. The
>> committee is comprised of some of the best racers in British Columbia.
>> Most committee members have won championships in their class while
>> others have done consistently well over the years and have proven
>> themselves capable of excelling in all race conditions.'
>>
>> And here's the archived version of the page on the Race Drivers Committee:
>>
>> <https://web.archive.org/web/20230422005048/https://www.sccbc.net/about-sccbc/race-drivers/>
>>
>> 'Race Drivers Committee Chairman Alan Baker'
>>
> Hah! Arlen is an F1 driver so there! You will respect his authority on all
> things like he’s the know-it-all version of Cartman from South Park. He’s
> probably a pilot, yachtsman, and former Delta operator who spent a decade
> in the Activity.

At a bar near him it's claimed he's also a Nobel Laureate in Physics,
Economics and Literature as well as a Fields Medal double dipper.

> Or he’s just an empty braggart with no life and nothing to show for all the
> hours wasted in mommy’s basement being an obnoxious snot on usenet groups.
> He should thank us all profusely for even recognizing he exists.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

> Somebody who brags about adulthood and expertise as you do is most likely
> neither an adult nor expert in anything.

Hi Hemidactylus,

I study all you strange iKooks so I likely know you better than you know
yourself, especially I study why you hate the truth about Apple products.

What separates iKooks mostly from normal people is that iKooks are strange
religious zealots who don't understand facts and who are ignorant of them.

Yet, iKooks form completely imaginary belief systems based on no facts.
*Which is why iKooks are so deathly afraid of facts.*
*And of the mere messenger bearing facts.*

Hence, you have to admit, iKooks are very strange people indeed, so when
you try to claim I don't have the education that I do, think again please.

Tell that to Chris who fabricated a PhD in the biological sciences and yet
he immediately ridiculed the use of "vehicle" in terms of immunology.

HINT: Nobody who took even one immunology class would say thats that.

Same as Alan Baker who insists that he "teaches racing" and owns a BMW and
yet he doesn't even know the first thing about what BMW racing vehicles are
called. Similar with Alan Browne who claims to understand how Apple
products work and yet he's never once ever heard of the walled garden.
Likewise with Jolly Roger who claims to understand how Apple releases
software and yet for years claimed a lie that simply wasn't true (i.e.,
Apple only fully supports a single release for Mac and/or iOS is the only
truth there is despite Jolly Roger claiming otherwise for years on end).

It's the same with you, Hemidactylus. Liars you iKooks are. All liars.
You don't know the first thing about the D-K research papers.

Hell, you don't even know what's to the left of the first quartile mark and
what's to the right of the last one - which is fundamental to their
research.

*If you don't even know that - you know absolutely nothing, Hemidactylus.*

Which was my point.
You "think" you understand D-K but it's clear you've _never_ read the
papers (hence, you know absolutely nothing about what those graphs mean).

You don't even know about the English test, for example, Hemidactylus.
That's how ignorant you are.

And that's OK.
But you can't _claim_ to be "not ignorant" when it's clear you are.
*That's what iKooks do*, Hemidactylus.

> The only reason you keep coming
> here is to make up for some embarrassingly shameful shortcomings you must
> have. We are forced to suffer the effects of your inadequacies and
> insecurities. Nobody posts like you do without having some severe
> psychological issues. Glad I�m not you. Schadenfreude is an amazing thing.

No. You're wrong. I've told you iKooks many times why I'm here. You just
are too stupid to comprehend that people are actually honest and tell the
truth about Apple products.

It astounds you, in fact, that there are people that don't lie to defend
Apple's honor to the death, Hemidactylus.

You're disappointed, in fact, that there are people who do NOT gloat about
how much profit Apple makes off of the ignorant iKooks, Hemidactylus.

It shocks you that anyone would tell the truth about Apple, Hemidactylus.
So be it.
--
I'm here to learn from others and to add value to the topic, and, for the
child-like Apple newsgroups, I'm here to show the iKooks for what they are.

*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

> Hah! He is an F1 driver so there!

Notice that you iKooks have to build an imaginary strawman, that I'm an F1
Driver, just so that you have something (anything!) to say to negate it.
*Facts mean absolutely nothing to you iKooks.*

I never said I was a racer; however I do own both a bimmer & a beemer.
And we can look up the cite which shows Alan Baker never heard of them.

Think about that.
Think real hard about that.

It's the _first_ think you learn about BMWs, Hemidactylus.
Yes. The first thing.

If you don't know the difference between a bimmer and a beemer, especially
in racing circuits, then people will immediately assess you as a moron.

Which is why I assessed Alan Baker as a moron.
At least he admitted, at the time, he never heard the words used.

But who the hell is in racing circuits that never heard of those words?
Nobody right?

Only an iKook would.
*Facts mean absolutely nothing to you iKooks.*

Just like Chris claimed he had a PhD and yet he never heard the word
"vehicle" used in immunological terms - so he ridiculed that usage.

Who would do that?
Nobody right?

Only an iKook.
*Facts mean absolutely nothing to you iKooks.*

> You will respect his authority on all
> things like he's the know-it-all version of Cartman from South Park. He's
> probably a pilot, yachtsman, and former Delta operator who spent a decade
> in the Activity.

Unlike you iKooks, Hemidactylus, I wasn't told my whole life I was stupid.
Poor Jolly Roger was. So was Alan Baker. And Alan Browne. And you too.

In a way, I feel sorry for you all but you being stupid is NOT what makes
you iKooks after all. Even your religious zealotry isn't what makes you so
very strange.

It's that you are so stupid you don't realize how incredibly stupid you are
(and then you spout this bullshit about you understanding D-K for example).

You don't know the first thing about D-K, Hemidactylus.
Just like Alan Baker doesn't know the first thing about beemers or bimmers.
And like Alan Browne doesn't know the first thing about the walled garden.

Yet, you're too stupid to realize that simple fact.

> Or he�s just an empty braggart with no life and nothing to show for all the
> hours wasted in mommy's basement being an obnoxious snot on usenet groups.
> He should thank us all profusely for even recognizing he exists.

There's a good reason I expose iKooks for the disgusting people you are.
--
I'm here to learn from others and to add value to the topic, and, for the
child-like Apple newsgroups, I'm here to show the iKooks for what they are.

*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

> I posted multiple links showing the whole concept of D-K itself is flawed
> and instead of acknowledging that you march out some trivial graphs and
> still cling to the concept. This shows you are an uncritical ideologue. No
> surprise there. It�s like me saying phrenology is flawed and pointing to
> some expert debunkings and you asking me to examine a bump on your head
> because head bumps are fundamental to understanding your idee fixe of
> iKooks.

You don't even _understand_ the D-K papers, Hemidactylus.
And you claim they're flawed?

What kind of strange person does that?
You iKooks do.

But normal people don't do that.
Again. You need to read the seminal D-K papers, Hemidactylus.

HINT: Every single person with any skill is on those Dunning-Kruger graphs.

Note that if you don't even know _that_, then you know nothing about D-K.
Which is my point.

You iKooks are so incredibly stupid that you "think" you know everything.
And yet... you know absolutely nothing.

a. Jolly Roger knows nothing about how Apple updates releases.
(but that doesn't stop him from claiming Apple fully updates all)
b. Alan Browne knows nothing about the walled garden.
(but that doesn't stop him from claiming it simply doesn't exist)
c. Alan Baker knows nothing about just about everything.
(but that doesn't stop him from calling absolutely all facts a lie)
etc.

What's no longer shocking about you iKooks, Hemidactylus, is that you are
so very confident that you think you know something - and yet - you know
absolutely nothing.

It's so easy to prove you iKooks know absolutely nothing, Hemidactylus.

Look at this example where Alan Baker claimed header lines can't be changed
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/EiNl6hyMBDo/>

Who is _that_ stupid?
Nobody right?

But you iKooks are.
Alan Baker knows nothing about headers, yet he still confidently claims
(over and over again) that they can't be spoofed. Who is that stupid?

You are the same as Alan Baker, Hemidactylus.

You know nothing about D-K - and that's clearly shown many times over.
And yet, you feel so very confident to claim it's flawed?

What kind of strange person does that, Hemidactylus?
--
Every iKook tries to make facts go away with their childish taunts.
a. iKook [JR] person calls people "losers" & he thinks that is clever.
b. iKook [Baker] calls people "gay" & thinks he's being very clever.
c. iKook [Browne] calls people an "it", thinking that's oh so very clever.

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

> At a bar near him it's claimed he's also a Nobel Laureate in Physics,
> Economics and Literature as well as a Fields Medal double dipper.

You have to admit, every time Alan Browne uses the word "it" for a person,
it proves my point that the iKooks are rather strange people indeed.

He actually believes he's being clever.
I'm not kidding.

I know these iKooks better than they know themselves.
He thinks he's hurting my feelings.

But all he's doing is showing the world that I'm 100% right about iKooks.
--
Note: This is the very same iKook who claimed he has never heard of the
term "walled garden" and because he is ignorant of it, it doesn't exist!

On 2023-12-18 15:07, Wally J wrote:
> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>
>> Hah! He is an F1 driver so there!
>
> Notice that you iKooks have to build an imaginary strawman, that I'm an F1
> Driver, just so that you have something (anything!) to say to negate it.
> *Facts mean absolutely nothing to you iKooks.*
>
> I never said I was a racer; however I do own both a bimmer & a beemer.
> And we can look up the cite which shows Alan Baker never heard of them.

Please... ...show us those cites.

I never said I hadn't heard of them; not to be taken literally anyway. I
was being FACETIOUS.

>
> Think about that.
> Think real hard about that.
>
> It's the _first_ think you learn about BMWs, Hemidactylus.
> Yes. The first thing.

No, actually. Some people are given to using slang and some are not.

>
> If you don't know the difference between a bimmer and a beemer, especially
> in racing circuits, then people will immediately assess you as a moron.

My peers don't think so...

....nor do my students.

:-)

On 2023-12-18 14:56, Wally J wrote:
> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>
>> Somebody who brags about adulthood and expertise as you do is most likely
>> neither an adult nor expert in anything.
>
> Hi Hemidactylus,
>
> I study all you strange iKooks so I likely know you better than you know
> yourself, especially I study why you hate the truth about Apple products.
>
> What separates iKooks mostly from normal people is that iKooks are strange
> religious zealots who don't understand facts and who are ignorant of them.
>
> Yet, iKooks form completely imaginary belief systems based on no facts.
> *Which is why iKooks are so deathly afraid of facts.*
> *And of the mere messenger bearing facts.*
>
> Hence, you have to admit, iKooks are very strange people indeed, so when
> you try to claim I don't have the education that I do, think again please.
>
> Tell that to Chris who fabricated a PhD in the biological sciences and yet
> he immediately ridiculed the use of "vehicle" in terms of immunology.
>
> HINT: Nobody who took even one immunology class would say thats that.
>
> Same as Alan Baker who insists that he "teaches racing" and owns a BMW and
> yet he doesn't even know the first thing about what BMW racing vehicles are
> called.

Most of the people who race BMWs at Mission call them "Pro 3s"...

....because that's the name of the CLASS they almost all run.

:-)

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>
>> I posted multiple links showing the whole concept of D-K itself is flawed
>> and instead of acknowledging that you march out some trivial graphs and
>> still cling to the concept. This shows you are an uncritical ideologue. No
>> surprise there. Itขs like me saying phrenology is flawed and pointing to
>> some expert debunkings and you asking me to examine a bump on your head
>> because head bumps are fundamental to understanding your idee fixe of
>> iKooks.
>
> You don't even _understand_ the D-K papers, Hemidactylus.
> And you claim they're flawed?
>
> What kind of strange person does that?
> You iKooks do.
>
> But normal people don't do that.
> Again. You need to read the seminal D-K papers, Hemidactylus.
>
I have. And where do you think I got the quote: “Participants were 65
Cornell University undergraduates from a variety of courses in psychology
who earned extra credit for their participation” and realized the lemon
juice guy was used merely as an illustrative anecdote. McArthur Wheeler
wasn’t a part of the study as you claimed since he wasn’t one of the
Cornell undergrads. I called you on this ignorant comment “Dunning & Kruger
studied that rather peculiar lemon-juice covered bank robber” and you
lashed out at me.

I also read this, which you as a propagandist will continue to ignore:
https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/persistent-irony-dunning-kruger-effect

[quote]“The persistent popularity of the DKE meme may say more about our
psychological foibles than the DKE itself does. Excessive self-confidence
is more noticeable (and objectionable) than excessive modesty, so it may
appear to require a special explanation. Our pattern-seeking minds find it
easier to embrace a causal explanation with a satisfying human story
(‘stupid people are too stupid to know they are stupid’) than an impersonal
statistical force (regression-to-the mean). The causal story is then
protected by a confirmation bias, whereby we count supporting examples in
its favour, whilst explaining away the counter-examples. If we see an
expert wracked by self-doubt, we may attribute this to a different
phenomenon (‘imposter syndrome’), failing to notice that this contradicts
the idea that competence begets self-knowledge.

There is a self-satisfied air of superiority when the DKE is ‘weaponised’
as a way to dismiss the views of others, or to impugn their intelligence.
Calling someone out as a victim of the DKE seems watertight, because any
denials can be taken to confirm the lack of awareness that the insult
implies. But the irony is that to namecheck the DKE in this way shows a
lack of awareness of the evidence, so any air of superiority is only an
illusion.”[end quote]

Let that sink in Arlen. You are a poster boy for namechecking and
weaponizing the DKE. You only illustrate your own ignorance of which you
are ironically very unaware. Why did you not now the DKE had been found
wanting by so many independent researchers? Because you are an empty
propagandist.
>
> HINT: Every single person with any skill is on those Dunning-Kruger graphs.
>
> Note that if you don't even know _that_, then you know nothing about D-K.
> Which is my point.
>
> You iKooks are so incredibly stupid that you "think" you know everything.
> And yet... you know absolutely nothing.
>
> a. Jolly Roger knows nothing about how Apple updates releases.
> (but that doesn't stop him from claiming Apple fully updates all)
> b. Alan Browne knows nothing about the walled garden.
> (but that doesn't stop him from claiming it simply doesn't exist)
> c. Alan Baker knows nothing about just about everything.
> (but that doesn't stop him from calling absolutely all facts a lie)
> etc.
>
> What's no longer shocking about you iKooks, Hemidactylus, is that you are
> so very confident that you think you know something - and yet - you know
> absolutely nothing.
>
> It's so easy to prove you iKooks know absolutely nothing, Hemidactylus.
>
> Look at this example where Alan Baker claimed header lines can't be changed
> <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/EiNl6hyMBDo/>
>
> Who is _that_ stupid?
> Nobody right?
>
> But you iKooks are.
> Alan Baker knows nothing about headers, yet he still confidently claims
> (over and over again) that they can't be spoofed. Who is that stupid?
>
> You are the same as Alan Baker, Hemidactylus.
>
> You know nothing about D-K - and that's clearly shown many times over.
> And yet, you feel so very confident to claim it's flawed?
>
> What kind of strange person does that, Hemidactylus?
Examples:

https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1215&context=numeracy

https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1188&context=numeracy

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2022.840180/full

https://gwern.net/doc/iq/2020-gignac.pdf

And yet you shoot the messenger.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-12-18 14:56, Wally J wrote:
>> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>>
>>> Somebody who brags about adulthood and expertise as you do is most likely
>>> neither an adult nor expert in anything.
>>
>> Hi Hemidactylus,
>>
>> I study all you strange iKooks so I likely know you better than you know
>> yourself, especially I study why you hate the truth about Apple products.
>>
>> What separates iKooks mostly from normal people is that iKooks are strange
>> religious zealots who don't understand facts and who are ignorant of them.
>>
>> Yet, iKooks form completely imaginary belief systems based on no facts.
>> *Which is why iKooks are so deathly afraid of facts.*
>> *And of the mere messenger bearing facts.*
>>
>> Hence, you have to admit, iKooks are very strange people indeed, so when
>> you try to claim I don't have the education that I do, think again please.
>>
>> Tell that to Chris who fabricated a PhD in the biological sciences and yet
>> he immediately ridiculed the use of "vehicle" in terms of immunology.
>>
>> HINT: Nobody who took even one immunology class would say thats that.
>>
>> Same as Alan Baker who insists that he "teaches racing" and owns a BMW and
>> yet he doesn't even know the first thing about what BMW racing vehicles are
>> called.
>
> Most of the people who race BMWs at Mission call them "Pro 3s"...
>
> ...because that's the name of the CLASS they almost all run.
>
> :-)
>
Arlen is an abusive serially nymshifting to bypass killfiles poseur who is
obsessed with “iKooks”. A very sad yet amusing state for a person to be
in…and unaware of how ridiculous he looks to pretty much every one posting
here, even those who are at odds with each other.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-12-18 12:36, Wally J wrote:
>> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>>
>>>> What's to the right of the last D-K test result quartile, Hemidactylus?
>>> I'm not playing your silly gotcha game with poorly put questions, Morlock.
>>> If the D-K effect evaporates into artifact there's nothing but shapes in
>>> clouds. The graphs mean nothing. That you are still clinging to D-K shows
>>> you haven't gotten the memo.
>>
>> Don't worry Hemidactylus,
>>
>> I knew you never read their seminal papers, so you have no clue whom they
>> studied, just like Alan Baker is a liar that he teaches racing since he
>> doesn't even know the difference between a bimmer and a beamer (which grew
>> up as racing terms)
> LOL!
>
> Oh, Arlen... ...I don't need to lie.
>
> Here's my page at DriverDB:
>
> <https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/alan-baker>
>
Does it diminish you in any way that Checo is ranked 3rd on that DriverDB
Top 100? I wonder if Arlen even knows who that is. My fave driver. I was
all set to watch him on his home turf on both TVs (one cockpit view) and he
wrecked 1st lap! Sad.
>
> Here's me in my RF98 Van Diemen Honda:
>
> <https://martinsactionphotography.smugmug.com/2019-SCCBC-Race-6-Sunday-October-13-2019/i-cVjrfp9/A>
>
Oh wow open wheel! I have a Civic so I was expecting a tricked out street
car. Nope!
>
> And here is the Sports Car Club of BC Race Drivers Committee (i.e. the
> instructors):
>
> <https://www.sccbc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/dt-7-scaled-1800x650.jpg>
>
> That's me kneeling by the front wheel in the sunglasses.
>
> 'The Race Drivers Committee organizes and operates the SCCBC Race Driver
> Training Program. The driver training program is an important part of
> preparing to enter the sport of racing at Mission and is a prerequisite
> to acquiring a Novice race license. The twice annual Race Driver
> Training program provides unparalleled instruction on handling vehicles
> under extreme conditions. For more information, visit the Race Drivers
> Training Program page.
>
> Membership on the Race Drivers Committee is by invitation only. The
> committee is comprised of some of the best racers in British Columbia.
> Most committee members have won championships in their class while
> others have done consistently well over the years and have proven
> themselves capable of excelling in all race conditions.'
>
> And here's the archived version of the page on the Race Drivers Committee:
>
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20230422005048/https://www.sccbc.net/about-sccbc/race-drivers/>
>
> 'Race Drivers Committee Chairman Alan Baker'
>
I think you established your bonafides. That Arlen is hung up on what
people call BMWs is ridiculous. Who cares.

I mostly like watching garage shows. There was one focused on modding JDMs.
I actually saw an old Skyline (I assume) a few months back locally with the
driver on the passenger side. Was stock and not modded at all.

I am also at a loss as to why people do the stance car look. Or maybe it’s
more the negative camber thing. Lowering was my thing in the late 80s with
a Nissan pickup (with some subwoofer bass but not competition). But the
camber look makes no sense. I guess every generation tries to be more
ridiculous than the preceding one. The mumble rap makes no sense either and
I grew up on hiphop.

*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

>> Again. You need to read the seminal D-K papers, Hemidactylus.
>>
> I have.

With all due respect, you have not.
That is clear from everything you claimed about it.

You don't know the first thing about what the seminal D-K papers said.

Just as...
a. nospam constantly fabricates imaginary functionality
b. But when asked to point out the app he claims exists...
c. He never can do something as simple as *name just one*

All you iKooks are the same, Hemidaqctylus.
As it's obvious you _never_ read the seminal Dunning-Kruger papers.

You iKooks are perfect examples of those to the left of the first quartile.

"People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities
in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest
that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who
are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only
do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate
choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive
ability to realize it. Paradoxically, improving the skills of
participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence,
helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities."

If you accept, Hemidactylus, that I have higher degrees, you have to
understand how frustrating it is to try to converse with you iKooks.

There's absolutely nothing even slightly complex you iKooks can comprehend.
Nothing.

That's frustrating, because EVERYTHING you say, is always dead wrong.
Which, let's face is - is the epitome of the iKook's belief system.

> And where do you think I got the quote: "Participants were 65
> Cornell University undergraduates from a variety of courses in psychology
> who earned extra credit for their participation" and realized the lemon
> juice guy was used merely as an illustrative anecdote.

You are an idiot, Hemidactylus. An utter unfathomably ignorant idiot.
<https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10626367/>

Read the abstract, you idiot.
*Do you see "grammar" in that abstract, you idiot.*

My point isn't to call you an idiot, Hemidactylus; it's to show the world
that EVERYTHING the iKooks say is out of their own sheer & utter ignorance.

You "think" you can dig up a quote and then that quote you think you
understood well enough to dispute what I said, based on the facts.

This conversation is PERFECT for showing EXACTLY what the iKooks are.

> McArthur Wheeler
> wasn't a part of the study as you claimed since he wasn't one of the
> Cornell undergrads. I called you on this ignorant comment "Dunning & Kruger
> studied that rather peculiar lemon-juice covered bank robber" and you
> lashed out at me.

The seminal papers by Dunning & Kruger were about cognitive bias in
assessing one's own skills, Hemidactylus. You iKooks are in the low end.

The problem is you iKooks are hampered by
a. No education whatsoever
b. No ability to comprehend anything
c. No desire to understand anything either

All you iKooks ever do is guess.

a. Alan Browne guessed there's no walled garden
(because _he_ was ignorant that it exists)
b. JollY Roger guessed Apple fully patches older releases
(because _he_ was ignorant that they don't)
c. Alan Baker guessed how to race vehicles
(because _he_ is ignorant of the first things in racing)
etc.

All you iKooks always just guess because you do not own the mental capacity
to comprehend something as simple as the Dunning Kruger seminal papers.

> I also read this, which you as a propagandist will continue to ignore:
> https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/persistent-irony-dunning-kruger-effect

Look Hemidactylus. I have higher degrees. You do not. Mine are in tough
subjects. You could barely pass high school algebra.

I understand that science isn't always black and white, Hemidactylus.
You do not.

Hell, you don't even understand your own cite above for God's sake.
That's why it's no longer shocking how incredibly wrong you iKooks are.

Nor is it shocking that you're entire argument starts with Donald Trump.
Mine don't.

Here are mine:
<https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10626367/>
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8992690/>
<https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-021-01101-z>
etc.

None of my cites start with Donald Trump.
Yours do.
> Let that sink in.

You are an ignorant iKook, Hemidactylus, which is why it's so frustrating
dealing with people like you who can't comprehend even their own cites.

Your own cite says this, you iKook:
"For all four studies in the paper, and for many studies since,
the same general pattern emerged. Poor performers overestimated
themselves much more than did those who were truly competent.
This is the signature pattern of the DKE."

Let _that_ sink in, given iKooks are to the left of the 1st quartile mark.
a. Alan Baker is and was a "poor performer" his entire life
b. Alan Browne is and was a "poor performer" his entire life
c. Lewis is and was a "poor performer" his entire life
d. Jolly Roger is and was a "poor performer" his entire life
e. Chris is and was a "poor performer" his entire life
f. Snit is and was a "poor performer" his entire life
g. Rod Speed is and was a "poor performer" his entire life
etc.

I know this because you iKooks can't fathom the simplest of things.
a. No iKook has an IQ that even approaches normal
b. As a direct result, no iKook owns something as common as a degree
c. Nor does any iKooks know the first thing about what he speaks of

You're all unfathomably ignorant of EVERYTHING you speak of, Hemidactylus.
Even when you try to lie and claim you've read the seminal D-K papers.

> You are a poster boy for namechecking and
> weaponizing the DKE. You only illustrate your own ignorance of which you
> are ironically very unaware. Why did you not now the DKE had been found
> wanting by so many independent researchers? Because you are an empty
> propagandist.

You believe that and yet you don't even know what D-K effects are.
Do you realize I said EVERYONE fits on the D-K graphs, Hemidactylus?

You. Me. My mother. Your favorite college professor.
Hell, even a race-car driver fits on the D-K scale, you iKook.

What you do NOT realize is EVERYTHING you think is completely wrong.
Because you don't own a mental capacity to understand the simplest things.

It's the basic hallmark of all you low-IQ uneducated ignorant iKooks.

>> HINT: Every single person with any skill is on those Dunning-Kruger graphs.

That. That is what you do not understand.

>> What kind of strange person does that, Hemidactylus?
> Examples:
>
> https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1215&context=numeracy
> https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1188&context=numeracy
> https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2022.840180/full
> https://gwern.net/doc/iq/2020-gignac.pdf
> And yet you shoot the messenger.

You are an idiot. Or more precisely, you're a classic iKook.
a. You know nothing
b. Yet you don't realize that
c. So you guess
d. And when caught guessing, you lie

What you need to do _before_ you go about 'dissing the seminal D-K results
is you have to first _understand_ them. After that, you're welcome to come
back and discuss why you disagree with the results, Hemidactylus.

All you're doing above is desperately googling for a cite (any cite, it
doesn't matter to you) that says something about D-K and that's it.

It's what you iKooks do.

The fact is:
a. You have absolutely no idea what the D-K papers actually say.
b. Worse, you lied that you read them
c. Or, if you ever did, as with Alan Browne who says there's
no walled garden, you didn't understand a thing about them.

This conversation is classic for what it's like to deal with you iKooks.
Like Alan Baker claiming to teach racing, he's a liar because _everything_
he says shows he doesn't know the simplest thing about what he claims.
--
Hemidactylus is like Chris who tried to claim he had a PhD and yet he
didn't know the simplest words that everyone in that field would know.

Same with Alan Baker. Alan Browne. Lewis. Jolly Roger. All of them.

*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

> He is an abusive serially nymshifting to bypass killfiles poseur who is
> obsessed with iKooks. A very sad yet amusing state for a person to be
> in, and unaware of how ridiculous he looks to pretty much every one posting
> here, even those who are at odds with each other.

I feel sorry for you rather strange iKooks, Hemidactylus. I really do.

a. None of you own an IQ even approaching normal, and, as a result,
b. None of you iKooks has any education to speak of, but worse...
c. Because of that, you're completely ignorant of almost everything.

But being completely ignorant of all that Apple does isn't why Jolly Roger
claimed for years that Apple fully patched older releases, Hemidactylus.

Being completely ignorant that the walled garden exists isn't what makes
Alan Browne repeatedly claim, in classic Trumpian fashion, that the walled
garden can't exist simply because he's never recognized it.

Being completely ignorant that anyone can change their headers isn't what
makes Alan Baker repeatedly claim that the newsreader directive must be
true or being completely ignorant of all things around racing isn't what
makes Alan Baker a liar...

No.
Having a low IQ, no education & being ignorant isn't what makes you iKooks.

What makes you iKooks is you religiously defend everything Apple to the
death, and yet, you understand absolutely nothing about what Apple does.

Take nospam, for example.
a. Clearly he has the highest IQ of all the iKooks, right?
b. And yet, he's _constantly_ fabricating imaginary apps that do not exist.

Why?
The only valid answer is he's an iKook.

He can't comprehend the simplest things about Apple, Hemidactylus.
Neither can you.

In this situation, you can't fathom the simplest thing about D-K results.
--
I can.
You can't.
That's why you hate me.
So be it.

*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

> Does it diminish you in any way that Checo is ranked 3rd on that DriverDB
> Top 100? I wonder if Arlen even knows who that is. My fave driver. I was
> all set to watch him on his home turf on both TVs (one cockpit view) and he
> wrecked 1st lap! Sad.

I don't know a damn thing about racing.
But then, I've never claimed to be a "racer" nor a "teacher" of racing.

Alan Baker doesn't know a damn thing about anything.

But that never stopped him from claiming you can't change your headers.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/EiNl6hyMBDo/>

Repeatedly, and endlessly, Alan Baker said it couldn't be done.
Who is that stupid, Hemidactylus?

Nobody, right?
But iKooks are.

Likewise with Jolly Roger claiming that Apple fully patches older releases.
Who is _that_ stupid, Hemidactylus?

Nobody, right.
But iKooks are.

Similarly with Alan Browne claiming he's never experienced the walled
garden. Who is _that_ stupid that they don't know what it is?

Nobody, right?
But iKooks are.

Same as with nospam claiming that there are apps that show Wi-Fi signal
strength for all available access points, when they simply do not exist.

Who constantly fabricates imaginary app functionality, Hemidactylus?

Nobody, right?
But iKooks do.

You iKooks are strange people far to the left of the first D-K quartile.

>> Here's me in my RF98 Van Diemen Honda:
>>
>> <https://martinsactionphotography.smugmug.com/2019-SCCBC-Race-6-Sunday-October-13-2019/i-cVjrfp9/A>
>>
> Oh wow open wheel! I have a Civic so I was expecting a tricked out street
> car. Nope!

Notice that the ONLY thing you iKooks _can_ do, is make childish remarks.
Which brings us back to the topic at hand.

*Q: Why do these rather strange iKooks repeatedly call people an "it"?*

I know why.
Do you?

> I think you established your bonafides. That he is hung up on what
> people call BMWs is ridiculous. Who cares.

Heh heh heh... Chris tried the same trick when he ridiculed the use of the
word "vehicle" in immunological contexts - because he was chilishly trying
to get out of the simple fact that he doesn't know the first thing about
immunology - even after having "claimed" to have a PhD in the sciences.

It's the same with Alan Baker.

He doesn't know the first thing about BMWs.
He just doesn't.

But he _thinks_ he does.
Which is exactly why he belongs in the first quartile of the D-K results.

> I am also at a loss as to why people do the stance car look.

While I've written tutorials on the net on why passenger vehicle brake
rotors do not warp (even though ignorant people like iKooks think they do),
and while I've written tutorials on many BMW repairs (e.g., the ABS control
module), I do not claim to be an expert in anything related to car repairs.

Sure, I can change a clutch plate & flywheel - and I've written the
step-by-step tutorial on rec.autos.tech that shows others how to, but I
don't claim to be an expert in something that I'm not an expert in.

That's the fundamental difference between iKooks and normal people.
a. Normal people are to the right of the middle quartiles; while...
b. ... all the iKooks are far to the left.
--
Unfortunately, there isn't a single iKook that understands that sentence.

On 2023-12-18 21:36, Wally J wrote:
> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>
>> Does it diminish you in any way that Checo is ranked 3rd on that DriverDB
>> Top 100? I wonder if Arlen even knows who that is. My fave driver. I was
>> all set to watch him on his home turf on both TVs (one cockpit view) and he
>> wrecked 1st lap! Sad.
>
> I don't know a damn thing about racing.
> But then, I've never claimed to be a "racer" nor a "teacher" of racing.
>
> Alan Baker doesn't know a damn thing about anything.

I know enough about racing to have started in 2012...

....and been invited to instruct just 4 years later.

>> I think you established your bonafides. That he is hung up on what
>> people call BMWs is ridiculous. Who cares.
>
> Heh heh heh... Chris tried the same trick when he ridiculed the use of the
> word "vehicle" in immunological contexts - because he was chilishly trying
> to get out of the simple fact that he doesn't know the first thing about
> immunology - even after having "claimed" to have a PhD in the sciences.
>
> It's the same with Alan Baker.

Other than that you tried to claim that a facetious comment about
"bimmer" vs "beemer" meant that I couldn't possibly be telling the truth
about being a racing driver and race driving instructor.

>
> He doesn't know the first thing about BMWs.
> He just doesn't.

I know I own one.

On 2023-12-18 17:22, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-12-18 12:36, Wally J wrote:
>>> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>>>
>>>>> What's to the right of the last D-K test result quartile, Hemidactylus?
>>>> I'm not playing your silly gotcha game with poorly put questions, Morlock.
>>>> If the D-K effect evaporates into artifact there's nothing but shapes in
>>>> clouds. The graphs mean nothing. That you are still clinging to D-K shows
>>>> you haven't gotten the memo.
>>>
>>> Don't worry Hemidactylus,
>>>
>>> I knew you never read their seminal papers, so you have no clue whom they
>>> studied, just like Alan Baker is a liar that he teaches racing since he
>>> doesn't even know the difference between a bimmer and a beamer (which grew
>>> up as racing terms)
>> LOL!
>>
>> Oh, Arlen... ...I don't need to lie.
>>
>> Here's my page at DriverDB:
>>
>> <https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/alan-baker>
>>
> Does it diminish you in any way that Checo is ranked 3rd on that DriverDB
> Top 100? I wonder if Arlen even knows who that is. My fave driver. I was
> all set to watch him on his home turf on both TVs (one cockpit view) and he
> wrecked 1st lap! Sad.

Yep... ...and it was such a foolish wreck.

There's a saying in racing:

"You can't win a race on the first lap, but you can certainly lose it".

>>
>> Here's me in my RF98 Van Diemen Honda:
>>
>> <https://martinsactionphotography.smugmug.com/2019-SCCBC-Race-6-Sunday-October-13-2019/i-cVjrfp9/A>
>>
> Oh wow open wheel! I have a Civic so I was expecting a tricked out street
> car. Nope!

From the moment I decided to go racing, I knew I really wanted to race
an open wheel class. And top of my list was definitely what was still
commonly called "Formula Ford" (but by the time I got one, officially
called "Formula F" to reflect the /F/ord and Honda /F/it engines that
were legal by then).

>>
>> And here is the Sports Car Club of BC Race Drivers Committee (i.e. the
>> instructors):
>>
>> <https://www.sccbc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/dt-7-scaled-1800x650.jpg>
>>
>> That's me kneeling by the front wheel in the sunglasses.
>>
>> 'The Race Drivers Committee organizes and operates the SCCBC Race Driver
>> Training Program. The driver training program is an important part of
>> preparing to enter the sport of racing at Mission and is a prerequisite
>> to acquiring a Novice race license. The twice annual Race Driver
>> Training program provides unparalleled instruction on handling vehicles
>> under extreme conditions. For more information, visit the Race Drivers
>> Training Program page.
>>
>> Membership on the Race Drivers Committee is by invitation only. The
>> committee is comprised of some of the best racers in British Columbia.
>> Most committee members have won championships in their class while
>> others have done consistently well over the years and have proven
>> themselves capable of excelling in all race conditions.'
>>
>> And here's the archived version of the page on the Race Drivers Committee:
>>
>> <https://web.archive.org/web/20230422005048/https://www.sccbc.net/about-sccbc/race-drivers/>
>>
>> 'Race Drivers Committee Chairman Alan Baker'
>>
> I think you established your bonafides. That Arlen is hung up on what
> people call BMWs is ridiculous. Who cares.

Are you kidding? I'm just amused by it.

:-)

>
> I mostly like watching garage shows. There was one focused on modding JDMs.
> I actually saw an old Skyline (I assume) a few months back locally with the
> driver on the passenger side. Was stock and not modded at all.
>
> I am also at a loss as to why people do the stance car look. Or maybe it’s
> more the negative camber thing. Lowering was my thing in the late 80s with
> a Nissan pickup (with some subwoofer bass but not competition). But the
> camber look makes no sense. I guess every generation tries to be more
> ridiculous than the preceding one. The mumble rap makes no sense either and
> I grew up on hiphop.

Like in so many things, "stance" is an example of taking something that
does make sense (a certain amount of negative camber DOES enhance
cornering grip) and taking it to ridiculous extremes. Look at any racing
series and you'll see some degree of negative camber on both axles; more
for narrower tires, and less for wider. The tuner crowd just sees that
and turns it up to eleven.

:-)

On 2023-12-18 21:14, Wally J wrote:
> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>
>>> Again. You need to read the seminal D-K papers, Hemidactylus.
>>>
>> I have.
>
> With all due respect, you have not.

This is precisely like you latching on to my comments about "bimmer" and
"beemer" and deciding I can't possibly be a race driving instructor
because of it.

> This conversation is classic for what it's like to deal with you iKooks.
> Like Alan Baker claiming to teach racing, he's a liar because _everything_
> he says shows he doesn't know the simplest thing about what he claims.

I am a race driving instructor, Arlen.

That's simply a fact.

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>
>>> Again. You need to read the seminal D-K papers, Hemidactylus.
>>>
>> I have.
>
> With all due respect, you have not.
> That is clear from everything you claimed about it.
>
> You don't know the first thing about what the seminal D-K papers said.
>
> Just as...
> a. nospam constantly fabricates imaginary functionality
> b. But when asked to point out the app he claims exists...
> c. He never can do something as simple as *name just one*
>
> All you iKooks are the same, Hemidaqctylus.
> As it's obvious you _never_ read the seminal Dunning-Kruger papers.
>
> You iKooks are perfect examples of those to the left of the first quartile.
>
> "People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities
> in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest
> that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who
> are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only
> do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate
> choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive
> ability to realize it. Paradoxically, improving the skills of
> participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence,
> helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities."
>
> If you accept, Hemidactylus, that I have higher degrees, you have to
> understand how frustrating it is to try to converse with you iKooks.
>
From Cracker Jack U? You surely know how to pile high and deeper, I’ll give
you that.
>
> There's absolutely nothing even slightly complex you iKooks can comprehend.
> Nothing.
>
> That's frustrating, because EVERYTHING you say, is always dead wrong.
> Which, let's face is - is the epitome of the iKook's belief system.
>
>> And where do you think I got the quote: "Participants were 65
>> Cornell University undergraduates from a variety of courses in psychology
>> who earned extra credit for their participation" and realized the lemon
>> juice guy was used merely as an illustrative anecdote.
>
> You are an idiot, Hemidactylus. An utter unfathomably ignorant idiot.
> <https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10626367/>
>
> Read the abstract, you idiot.
> *Do you see "grammar" in that abstract, you idiot.*
>
> My point isn't to call you an idiot, Hemidactylus; it's to show the world
> that EVERYTHING the iKooks say is out of their own sheer & utter ignorance.
>
> You "think" you can dig up a quote and then that quote you think you
> understood well enough to dispute what I said, based on the facts.
>
> This conversation is PERFECT for showing EXACTLY what the iKooks are.
>
>> McArthur Wheeler
>> wasn't a part of the study as you claimed since he wasn't one of the
>> Cornell undergrads. I called you on this ignorant comment "Dunning & Kruger
>> studied that rather peculiar lemon-juice covered bank robber" and you
>> lashed out at me.
>
> The seminal papers by Dunning & Kruger were about cognitive bias in
> assessing one's own skills, Hemidactylus. You iKooks are in the low end.
>
So you will not admit your silly error about whether they actually studied
the lemon juice guy as you asserted. You are covering for your juvenile
embarrassment.
>
> The problem is you iKooks are hampered by
> a. No education whatsoever
> b. No ability to comprehend anything
> c. No desire to understand anything either
>
> All you iKooks ever do is guess.
>
> a. Alan Browne guessed there's no walled garden
> (because _he_ was ignorant that it exists)
> b. JollY Roger guessed Apple fully patches older releases
> (because _he_ was ignorant that they don't)
> c. Alan Baker guessed how to race vehicles
> (because _he_ is ignorant of the first things in racing)
> etc.
>
> All you iKooks always just guess because you do not own the mental capacity
> to comprehend something as simple as the Dunning Kruger seminal papers.
>
Unlike you I don’t interpret these papers as Holy Gospel. I am skeptical
and in Popperian fashion think sacred cows need to stand up to rigid
treatment. So I have gone much further than you in my intellectual
development and seen the emperor may not have clothes. The DK effect
appears as an artifact. We are pattern seeking creatures. No doubt you are
gullible enough to see a face on Mars.
>
>> I also read this, which you as a propagandist will continue to ignore:
>> https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/persistent-irony-dunning-kruger-effect
>
> Look Hemidactylus. I have higher degrees. You do not. Mine are in tough
> subjects. You could barely pass high school algebra.
>
Basket weaving is tough. Especially underwater. Congrats on that.
>
> I understand that science isn't always black and white, Hemidactylus.
> You do not.
>
> Hell, you don't even understand your own cite above for God's sake.
> That's why it's no longer shocking how incredibly wrong you iKooks are.
>
> Nor is it shocking that you're entire argument starts with Donald Trump.
> Mine don't.
>
> Here are mine:
> <https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10626367/>
> <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8992690/>

Do you even read your cites? This one says:
“Our explanation of the DK effect is based on the fact that the data are
bounded. This feature of the data has not received much attention, with the
exception of Burson et al. (2006), who concluded that the boundary
restriction “is an important concern that should be addressed in future
research;” and Krajc and Ortmann (2008), who noted that students in the
bottom quartile can only make optimistic errors placing themselves into a
higher quartile, while students in the top quartile can only make
pessimistic errors placing themselves in a lower quartile.

The remark by Krajc and Ortmann provides the essence of our story. Consider
a brilliant student who typically scores 95 or 99 points out of 100.
Because of the bound at 100, there is not much room to predict higher than
her ability but there is plenty of room to predict lower, so she would
typically predict 85 or 90, thus underestimating her score. The same
happens at the bottom end of the scale, where there is a bound of 0 and a
student would typically overestimate. This simple observation is the basis
of our model.”

And: “In this article, we have attempted to provide an explanation of the
DK effect which does not require any psychological explanation. By
specifying a simple statistical model which explicitly takes the (random)
boundary constraints into account, we achieve a near-perfect fit, thus
demonstrating that the DK effect is a statistical artifact. In other words:
there is an effect, but it does not reflect human nature.”

The abstract says: “An explanation of the Dunning–Kruger effect is provided
which does not require any psychological explanation, because it is derived
as a statistical artifact. This is achieved by specifying a simple
statistical model which explicitly takes the (random) boundary constraints
into account. The model fits the data almost perfectly.”

Again: “does not require any psychological explanation”

If you weren’t so intellectually dishonest you would stop for more than a
brief moment and reflect on this. You can’t because your arrogance prevents
it.

> <https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-021-01101-z>
> etc.
>
> None of my cites start with Donald Trump.
> Yours do.
>
>> Let that sink in.
>
> You are an ignorant iKook, Hemidactylus, which is why it's so frustrating
> dealing with people like you who can't comprehend even their own cites.
>
> Your own cite says this, you iKook:
> "For all four studies in the paper, and for many studies since,
> the same general pattern emerged. Poor performers overestimated
> themselves much more than did those who were truly competent.
> This is the signature pattern of the DKE."
>
There is the apparent pattern, but there is also its explanation. I doubt
you have the intellectual capacity to distinguish the two. The debunkers of
DKE go with artefact over psychological explanation. That interpretation
pulls the rug from under you and turns your favored weapon into a wet
noodle. You are unskilled and unaware because your polemics cloud your
judgement.

> Let _that_ sink in, given iKooks are to the left of the 1st quartile mark.
> a. Alan Baker is and was a "poor performer" his entire life
> b. Alan Browne is and was a "poor performer" his entire life
> c. Lewis is and was a "poor performer" his entire life
> d. Jolly Roger is and was a "poor performer" his entire life
> e. Chris is and was a "poor performer" his entire life
> f. Snit is and was a "poor performer" his entire life
> g. Rod Speed is and was a "poor performer" his entire life
> etc.
>
> I know this because you iKooks can't fathom the simplest of things.
> a. No iKook has an IQ that even approaches normal
> b. As a direct result, no iKook owns something as common as a degree
> c. Nor does any iKooks know the first thing about what he speaks of
>
> You're all unfathomably ignorant of EVERYTHING you speak of, Hemidactylus.
> Even when you try to lie and claim you've read the seminal D-K papers.
>
>> You are a poster boy for namechecking and
>> weaponizing the DKE. You only illustrate your own ignorance of which you
>> are ironically very unaware. Why did you not now the DKE had been found
>> wanting by so many independent researchers? Because you are an empty
>> propagandist.
>
> You believe that and yet you don't even know what D-K effects are.
> Do you realize I said EVERYONE fits on the D-K graphs, Hemidactylus?
>
> You. Me. My mother. Your favorite college professor.
> Hell, even a race-car driver fits on the D-K scale, you iKook.
>
> What you do NOT realize is EVERYTHING you think is completely wrong.
> Because you don't own a mental capacity to understand the simplest things.
>
> It's the basic hallmark of all you low-IQ uneducated ignorant iKooks.
>
>>> HINT: Every single person with any skill is on those Dunning-Kruger graphs.
>
> That. That is what you do not understand.
>
>
>>> What kind of strange person does that, Hemidactylus?
>> Examples:
>>
>> https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1215&context=numeracy
>> https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1188&context=numeracy
>> https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2022.840180/full
>> https://gwern.net/doc/iq/2020-gignac.pdf
>> And yet you shoot the messenger.
>
> You are an idiot. Or more precisely, you're a classic iKook.
> a. You know nothing
> b. Yet you don't realize that
> c. So you guess
> d. And when caught guessing, you lie
>
> What you need to do _before_ you go about 'dissing the seminal D-K results
> is you have to first _understand_ them. After that, you're welcome to come
> back and discuss why you disagree with the results, Hemidactylus.
>
> All you're doing above is desperately googling for a cite (any cite, it
> doesn't matter to you) that says something about D-K and that's it.
>
> It's what you iKooks do.
>
> The fact is:
> a. You have absolutely no idea what the D-K papers actually say.
> b. Worse, you lied that you read them
> c. Or, if you ever did, as with Alan Browne who says there's
> no walled garden, you didn't understand a thing about them.
>
> This conversation is classic for what it's like to deal with you iKooks.
> Like Alan Baker claiming to teach racing, he's a liar because _everything_
> he says shows he doesn't know the simplest thing about what he claims.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-12-18 17:22, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2023-12-18 12:36, Wally J wrote:
>>>> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> What's to the right of the last D-K test result quartile, Hemidactylus?
>>>>> I'm not playing your silly gotcha game with poorly put questions, Morlock.
>>>>> If the D-K effect evaporates into artifact there's nothing but shapes in
>>>>> clouds. The graphs mean nothing. That you are still clinging to D-K shows
>>>>> you haven't gotten the memo.
>>>>
>>>> Don't worry Hemidactylus,
>>>>
>>>> I knew you never read their seminal papers, so you have no clue whom they
>>>> studied, just like Alan Baker is a liar that he teaches racing since he
>>>> doesn't even know the difference between a bimmer and a beamer (which grew
>>>> up as racing terms)
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> Oh, Arlen... ...I don't need to lie.
>>>
>>> Here's my page at DriverDB:
>>>
>>> <https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/alan-baker>
>>>
>> Does it diminish you in any way that Checo is ranked 3rd on that DriverDB
>> Top 100? I wonder if Arlen even knows who that is. My fave driver. I was
>> all set to watch him on his home turf on both TVs (one cockpit view) and he
>> wrecked 1st lap! Sad.
>
> Yep... ...and it was such a foolish wreck.
>
> There's a saying in racing:
>
> "You can't win a race on the first lap, but you can certainly lose it".
>
>>>
>>> Here's me in my RF98 Van Diemen Honda:
>>>
>>> <https://martinsactionphotography.smugmug.com/2019-SCCBC-Race-6-Sunday-October-13-2019/i-cVjrfp9/A>
>>>
>> Oh wow open wheel! I have a Civic so I was expecting a tricked out street
>> car. Nope!
>
> From the moment I decided to go racing, I knew I really wanted to race
> an open wheel class. And top of my list was definitely what was still
> commonly called "Formula Ford" (but by the time I got one, officially
> called "Formula F" to reflect the /F/ord and Honda /F/it engines that
> were legal by then).
>
>>>
>>> And here is the Sports Car Club of BC Race Drivers Committee (i.e. the
>>> instructors):
>>>
>>> <https://www.sccbc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/dt-7-scaled-1800x650.jpg>
>>>
>>> That's me kneeling by the front wheel in the sunglasses.
>>>
>>> 'The Race Drivers Committee organizes and operates the SCCBC Race Driver
>>> Training Program. The driver training program is an important part of
>>> preparing to enter the sport of racing at Mission and is a prerequisite
>>> to acquiring a Novice race license. The twice annual Race Driver
>>> Training program provides unparalleled instruction on handling vehicles
>>> under extreme conditions. For more information, visit the Race Drivers
>>> Training Program page.
>>>
>>> Membership on the Race Drivers Committee is by invitation only. The
>>> committee is comprised of some of the best racers in British Columbia.
>>> Most committee members have won championships in their class while
>>> others have done consistently well over the years and have proven
>>> themselves capable of excelling in all race conditions.'
>>>
>>> And here's the archived version of the page on the Race Drivers Committee:
>>>
>>> <https://web.archive.org/web/20230422005048/https://www.sccbc.net/about-sccbc/race-drivers/>
>>>
>>> 'Race Drivers Committee Chairman Alan Baker'
>>>
>> I think you established your bonafides. That Arlen is hung up on what
>> people call BMWs is ridiculous. Who cares.
>
> Are you kidding? I'm just amused by it.
>
> :-)
>
>>
>> I mostly like watching garage shows. There was one focused on modding JDMs.
>> I actually saw an old Skyline (I assume) a few months back locally with the
>> driver on the passenger side. Was stock and not modded at all.
>>
>> I am also at a loss as to why people do the stance car look. Or maybe it’s
>> more the negative camber thing. Lowering was my thing in the late 80s with
>> a Nissan pickup (with some subwoofer bass but not competition). But the
>> camber look makes no sense. I guess every generation tries to be more
>> ridiculous than the preceding one. The mumble rap makes no sense either and
>> I grew up on hiphop.
>
> Like in so many things, "stance" is an example of taking something that
> does make sense (a certain amount of negative camber DOES enhance
> cornering grip) and taking it to ridiculous extremes. Look at any racing
> series and you'll see some degree of negative camber on both axles; more
> for narrower tires, and less for wider. The tuner crowd just sees that
> and turns it up to eleven.
>
> :-)
>
Thanks for your very knowledgable reply. I was wondering if the hellaflush
look is because the popularity of drift racing.

On 2023-12-19 03:17, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-12-18 17:22, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-12-18 12:36, Wally J wrote:
>>>>> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's to the right of the last D-K test result quartile, Hemidactylus?
>>>>>> I'm not playing your silly gotcha game with poorly put questions, Morlock.
>>>>>> If the D-K effect evaporates into artifact there's nothing but shapes in
>>>>>> clouds. The graphs mean nothing. That you are still clinging to D-K shows
>>>>>> you haven't gotten the memo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't worry Hemidactylus,
>>>>>
>>>>> I knew you never read their seminal papers, so you have no clue whom they
>>>>> studied, just like Alan Baker is a liar that he teaches racing since he
>>>>> doesn't even know the difference between a bimmer and a beamer (which grew
>>>>> up as racing terms)
>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Oh, Arlen... ...I don't need to lie.
>>>>
>>>> Here's my page at DriverDB:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/alan-baker>
>>>>
>>> Does it diminish you in any way that Checo is ranked 3rd on that DriverDB
>>> Top 100? I wonder if Arlen even knows who that is. My fave driver. I was
>>> all set to watch him on his home turf on both TVs (one cockpit view) and he
>>> wrecked 1st lap! Sad.
>>
>> Yep... ...and it was such a foolish wreck.
>>
>> There's a saying in racing:
>>
>> "You can't win a race on the first lap, but you can certainly lose it".
>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's me in my RF98 Van Diemen Honda:
>>>>
>>>> <https://martinsactionphotography.smugmug.com/2019-SCCBC-Race-6-Sunday-October-13-2019/i-cVjrfp9/A>
>>>>
>>> Oh wow open wheel! I have a Civic so I was expecting a tricked out street
>>> car. Nope!
>>
>> From the moment I decided to go racing, I knew I really wanted to race
>> an open wheel class. And top of my list was definitely what was still
>> commonly called "Formula Ford" (but by the time I got one, officially
>> called "Formula F" to reflect the /F/ord and Honda /F/it engines that
>> were legal by then).
>>
>>>>
>>>> And here is the Sports Car Club of BC Race Drivers Committee (i.e. the
>>>> instructors):
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.sccbc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/dt-7-scaled-1800x650.jpg>
>>>>
>>>> That's me kneeling by the front wheel in the sunglasses.
>>>>
>>>> 'The Race Drivers Committee organizes and operates the SCCBC Race Driver
>>>> Training Program. The driver training program is an important part of
>>>> preparing to enter the sport of racing at Mission and is a prerequisite
>>>> to acquiring a Novice race license. The twice annual Race Driver
>>>> Training program provides unparalleled instruction on handling vehicles
>>>> under extreme conditions. For more information, visit the Race Drivers
>>>> Training Program page.
>>>>
>>>> Membership on the Race Drivers Committee is by invitation only. The
>>>> committee is comprised of some of the best racers in British Columbia.
>>>> Most committee members have won championships in their class while
>>>> others have done consistently well over the years and have proven
>>>> themselves capable of excelling in all race conditions.'
>>>>
>>>> And here's the archived version of the page on the Race Drivers Committee:
>>>>
>>>> <https://web.archive.org/web/20230422005048/https://www.sccbc.net/about-sccbc/race-drivers/>
>>>>
>>>> 'Race Drivers Committee Chairman Alan Baker'
>>>>
>>> I think you established your bonafides. That Arlen is hung up on what
>>> people call BMWs is ridiculous. Who cares.
>>
>> Are you kidding? I'm just amused by it.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>>
>>> I mostly like watching garage shows. There was one focused on modding JDMs.
>>> I actually saw an old Skyline (I assume) a few months back locally with the
>>> driver on the passenger side. Was stock and not modded at all.
>>>
>>> I am also at a loss as to why people do the stance car look. Or maybe it’s
>>> more the negative camber thing. Lowering was my thing in the late 80s with
>>> a Nissan pickup (with some subwoofer bass but not competition). But the
>>> camber look makes no sense. I guess every generation tries to be more
>>> ridiculous than the preceding one. The mumble rap makes no sense either and
>>> I grew up on hiphop.
>>
>> Like in so many things, "stance" is an example of taking something that
>> does make sense (a certain amount of negative camber DOES enhance
>> cornering grip) and taking it to ridiculous extremes. Look at any racing
>> series and you'll see some degree of negative camber on both axles; more
>> for narrower tires, and less for wider. The tuner crowd just sees that
>> and turns it up to eleven.
>>
>> :-)
>>
> Thanks for your very knowledgable reply. I was wondering if the hellaflush
> look is because the popularity of drift racing.

That's probably a part of it, and for drifting, having more negative
camber on the tires probably just makes it easier to get them spinning.

And racing cars and how they function (and consequently their design)
has been a passion of mine since I was maybe 12.

On 2023-12-19, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-12-18 21:36, Wally J wrote:
>> *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote
>>
>>> Does it diminish you in any way that Checo is ranked 3rd on that
>>> DriverDB Top 100? I wonder if Arlen even knows who that is. My fave
>>> driver. I was all set to watch him on his home turf on both TVs (one
>>> cockpit view) and he wrecked 1st lap! Sad.
>>
>> I don't know a damn thing about racing. But then, I've never claimed
>> to be a "racer" nor a "teacher" of racing.
>>
>> Alan Baker doesn't know a damn thing about anything.
>
> I know enough about racing to have started in 2012...
>
> ...and been invited to instruct just 4 years later.

Unless you have photos of old racing books, Arlen won't believe you. 🤣

>>> I think you established your bonafides. That he is hung up on what
>>> people call BMWs is ridiculous. Who cares.
>>
>> Heh heh heh... Chris tried the same trick when he ridiculed the use
>> of the word "vehicle" in immunological contexts - because he was
>> chilishly trying to get out of the simple fact that he doesn't know
>> the first thing about immunology - even after having "claimed" to
>> have a PhD in the sciences.
>>
>> It's the same with Alan Baker.
>
> Other than that you tried to claim that a facetious comment about
> "bimmer" vs "beemer" meant that I couldn't possibly be telling the
> truth about being a racing driver and race driving instructor.
>
>>
>> He doesn't know the first thing about BMWs. He just doesn't.
>
> I know I own one.

It's not even an exclusive club. BMWs aren't huge fucking secrets. I
have only owned BMW cars since 2001, and while I don't do my own
repairs, I can certainly tell you where to connect jumper cables, how to
do routine maintenance, and so on. Arlen acts like "knowing the first
thing about BMWs" is some huge achievement when it just isn't.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR