In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:44:39 -0800, AJL
<noemail@none.com> wrote:

>On 1/19/2023 2:05 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 1/18/23 9:05 AM, AJL wrote:
>
>>> I'm surprised how far my key fob will transmit. So I hit the lock
>>> button twice and listen for the honk. Course it gets less useful
>>> as my hearing declines...
>
>> We tried this in the parking lot of the L.A. County Fair a while
>> back. Took quite a while, with occasional lamppost-climbs. Beeped
>> within 50-100 feet..

It's been 50 years and if they had fobs then, I didn't have one.

And I took a girl to the NY Mets game on a first date. When it was over,
I coudln't find the car. Very unlike me. Had to wait until almost
everyone left and then I could see it. I think the car was white but
that doesn't help if it's not in sight. It turned out she was 10 years
older than I was and probably didn't want some immature foolish guy, and
she told me she didn't want to go out again, but I she still went out
with me some more.
>
>My key fob does a bit better than that but I still have to be within the
>general area. If that fails I have an app (came with the car) that will
>locate it for me. The app will also remote start and pre-cool the car.
>When it's 105F+ outside (and 140F inside the locked car) I start it 5
>minutes before leaving the store. Cool store to cool car. Ain't life
>wonderful...
>
>> Better to actually REMEMBER where you parked :-(
>
>Yup. And of course our memory gets better with age...right?
>

On 1/21/23 9:50 AM, AJL wrote:
> On 1/21/2023 10:39 AM, micky wrote:
>
>> When I had a dark-green car, every time I turned the corner walking to
>> where my car should be, I coudln't find it and I thought it was stolen,
>> even when it was there.
>
> In one of my past lives you would be surprised at how many stolen car
> reports turned out to be misparked cars...

And then there's the story about the gun-toting little old lady who
forced the thieves out of her car only to find that her key didn't start
it and that it wasn't actually HER car.

--
Cheers, Bev
______________________________________________________
"Parasites plus suckers do not add up to a community."
-- Thomas Sowell

On 1/21/23 9:50 AM, AJL wrote:
> On 1/21/2023 10:39 AM, micky wrote:
>
>> When I had a dark-green car, every time I turned the corner walking to
>> where my car should be, I coudln't find it and I thought it was stolen,
>> even when it was there.
>
> In one of my past lives you would be surprised at how many stolen car
> reports turned out to be misparked cars...

I just updated my google Maps and found out how to mark my parking
location via the Help function. Tap the blue circle to find your
location and then tap the blue dot that it generates. I'm at home and
haven't been able to actually try it when I'm away. I tried it once
here and it offered me the option to save the parking place, but when I
tried it again it did nothing.

--
Cheers, Bev
______________________________________________________
"Parasites plus suckers do not add up to a community."
-- Thomas Sowell

On 2023-01-21 20:33, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 1/21/23 9:50 AM, AJL wrote:
>> On 1/21/2023 10:39 AM, micky wrote:
>>
>>> When I had a dark-green car, every time I turned the corner walking to
>>> where my car should be, I coudln't find it and I thought it was stolen,
>>> even when it was there.
>>
>> In one of my past lives you would be surprised at how many stolen car
>> reports turned out to be misparked cars...
>
> And then there's the story about the gun-toting little old lady who
> forced the thieves out of her car only to find that her key didn't start
> it and that it wasn't actually HER car.

LOL :-DD

However, I would not laugh if the car were mine and I had seen the
hollow of the gun pointed at me. I would need a doctor.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 1/21/2023 12:41 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 1/21/23 9:50 AM, AJL wrote:
>> On 1/21/2023 10:39 AM, micky wrote:

>>> When I had a dark-green car, every time I turned the corner
>>> walking to where my car should be, I coudln't find it and I
>>> thought it was stolen, even when it was there.

>> In one of my past lives you would be surprised at how many stolen
>> car reports turned out to be misparked cars...

I might add that those misparked "stolen" cars were often found by the
graveyard shift when all the other cars were gone. The "victims" were
then called to come get their car. If they couldn't be reached the cars
were towed. Bad day made worse...

> I just updated my google Maps and found out how to mark my parking
> location via the Help function. Tap the blue circle to find your
> location and then tap the blue dot that it generates. I'm at home
> and haven't been able to actually try it when I'm away. I tried it
> once here and it offered me the option to save the parking place,
> but when I tried it again it did nothing.

Perhaps because it thinks you are already at your recorded parking
space (home)?

On 1/21/23 11:51 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-01-21 20:33, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 1/21/23 9:50 AM, AJL wrote:
>>> On 1/21/2023 10:39 AM, micky wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I had a dark-green car, every time I turned the corner walking to
>>>> where my car should be, I coudln't find it and I thought it was stolen,
>>>> even when it was there.
>>>
>>> In one of my past lives you would be surprised at how many stolen car
>>> reports turned out to be misparked cars...
>>
>> And then there's the story about the gun-toting little old lady who
>> forced the thieves out of her car only to find that her key didn't start
>> it and that it wasn't actually HER car.

Apparently the guys reported the carjacking to the police and the woman
turned herself in and apologized. I hope it was a true story.

> LOL :-DD
>
> However, I would not laugh if the car were mine and I had seen the
> hollow of the gun pointed at me. I would need a doctor.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey
and car keys to teenage boys." -- P.J. O'Rourke

The Real Bev wrote:

> I just updated my google Maps and found out how to mark my parking
> location via the Help function. Tap the blue circle to find your
> location and then tap the blue dot that it generates. I'm at home and
> haven't been able to actually try it when I'm away. I tried it once
> here and it offered me the option to save the parking place, but when I
> tried it again it did nothing.

Hi The Real Bev,

I don't like to ask you to do work that I wouldn't do myself, but there's
no way I'm gonna create a Google Account on my phone to test this but...

But...

If you get a chance, can you test, for the team, out of the goodness of
your heart, if that find-my-car Google Maps feature works with offline
Google maps?

If it does work with the Offline Google Maps, then that negates the need
for the Internet.

Thanks!

On 1/21/23 12:22 PM, AJL wrote:
> On 1/21/2023 12:41 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 1/21/23 9:50 AM, AJL wrote:
>>> On 1/21/2023 10:39 AM, micky wrote:
>
>>>> When I had a dark-green car, every time I turned the corner
>>>> walking to where my car should be, I coudln't find it and I
>>>> thought it was stolen, even when it was there.
>
>>> In one of my past lives you would be surprised at how many stolen
>>> car reports turned out to be misparked cars...
>
> I might add that those misparked "stolen" cars were often found by the
> graveyard shift when all the other cars were gone. The "victims" were
> then called to come get their car. If they couldn't be reached the cars
> were towed. Bad day made worse...
>
>> I just updated my google Maps and found out how to mark my parking
>> location via the Help function. Tap the blue circle to find your
>> location and then tap the blue dot that it generates. I'm at home
>> and haven't been able to actually try it when I'm away. I tried it
>> once here and it offered me the option to save the parking place,
>> but when I tried it again it did nothing.
>
> Perhaps because it thinks you are already at your recorded parking
> space (home)?

Could be. No idea how it tells you where your car is when you ask...
Next time I go shopping I'll give it a shot.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey
and car keys to teenage boys." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On 1/21/23 1:58 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> I just updated my google Maps and found out how to mark my parking
>> location via the Help function. Tap the blue circle to find your
>> location and then tap the blue dot that it generates. I'm at home and
>> haven't been able to actually try it when I'm away. I tried it once
>> here and it offered me the option to save the parking place, but when I
>> tried it again it did nothing.
>
> Hi The Real Bev,
>
> I don't like to ask you to do work that I wouldn't do myself, but there's
> no way I'm gonna create a Google Account on my phone to test this but...
>
> But...
>
> If you get a chance, can you test, for the team, out of the goodness of
> your heart, if that find-my-car Google Maps feature works with offline
> Google maps?

That's exactly wht I'm going to try next time I go shopping. No
goodness involved, just curiosity!

I have various google accounts already. If they want to try to sell me
something or report my activities to the FBI it's a waste of their time,
not mine.

> If it does work with the Offline Google Maps, then that negates the need
> for the Internet.
>
> Thanks!
>

--
Cheers, Bev
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey
and car keys to teenage boys." -- P.J. O'Rourke

The Real Bev wrote:

> That's exactly wht I'm going to try next time I go shopping. No
> goodness involved, just curiosity.

But you need to download the offline map _ahead_ of time.
When you're at home.
Before you park your car.

I doubt it will work - but maybe Google made it so that it would work.
That's why I asked.

Here's how to do that (which is useful in and of itself, without parking).
*Download areas & navigate offline*
<https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6291838?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid>

> I have various google accounts already. If they want to try to sell me
> something or report my activities to the FBI it's a waste of their time,
> not mine.

While I understand that 'self centered' view perfectly well, there's more
to the story because you're actually harming others with that attitude.

It's a normal attitude by the way, so I'm not chastising you.
I'm just saying your attitude doesn't take into account you're harming me.

The problem with Google products on Android is they're sort of like a
suicide vest in that they harm everyone around you with their payload.

For example, you're uploading _my_ kid's contacts to Google, and you're
uploading _my_ Wi-Fi access point unique GPS location, etc.

I've always said it's rude for people to use Android with a Google Account.
It's like detonating a suicide vest which harms everyone around you.

On 1/21/23 2:35 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> That's exactly wht I'm going to try next time I go shopping. No
>> goodness involved, just curiosity.
>
> But you need to download the offline map _ahead_ of time.
> When you're at home.
> Before you park your car.
>
> I doubt it will work - but maybe Google made it so that it would work.
> That's why I asked.
>
> Here's how to do that (which is useful in and of itself, without parking).
> *Download areas & navigate offline*
> <https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6291838?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid>
>
>> I have various google accounts already. If they want to try to sell me
>> something or report my activities to the FBI it's a waste of their time,
>> not mine.
>
> While I understand that 'self centered' view perfectly well, there's more
> to the story because you're actually harming others with that attitude.
>
> It's a normal attitude by the way, so I'm not chastising you.
> I'm just saying your attitude doesn't take into account you're harming me.
>
> The problem with Google products on Android is they're sort of like a
> suicide vest in that they harm everyone around you with their payload.
>
> For example, you're uploading _my_ kid's contacts to Google, and you're
> uploading _my_ Wi-Fi access point unique GPS location, etc.
>
> I've always said it's rude for people to use Android with a Google Account.
> It's like detonating a suicide vest which harms everyone around you.

Please forgive me for thinking that's overly paranoid. I've never sent
you email. You're not in my contact list. Neither are your kids. Does
google know we've posted in usenet groups. Yup. Does it matter? Nope.
The FBI knows all about me up to 1995, and nothing has changed since
then. Is that frightening? Nope. Are they interested in anything
about me since then? Nope, and if they are it's their mistake.

What actual harm do you envision?

--
Cheers, Bev
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run
out of other people's money." --Maggie Thatcher

On 2023-01-21 15:04, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 1/21/23 2:35 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> That's exactly wht I'm going to try next time I go shopping.  No
>>> goodness involved, just curiosity.
>>
>> But you need to download the offline map _ahead_ of time.
>>       When you're at home.
>>            Before you park your car.
>>
>> I doubt it will work - but maybe Google made it so that it would work.
>> That's why I asked.
>>
>> Here's how to do that (which is useful in and of itself, without
>> parking).
>>   *Download areas & navigate offline*
>>
>> <https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6291838?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid>
>>
>>> I have various google accounts already.  If they want to try to sell
>>> me something or report my activities to the FBI it's a waste of their
>>> time, not mine.
>>
>> While I understand that 'self centered' view perfectly well, there's more
>> to the story because you're actually harming others with that attitude.
>>
>> It's a normal attitude by the way, so I'm not chastising you.
>> I'm just saying your attitude doesn't take into account you're harming
>> me.
>>
>> The problem with Google products on Android is they're sort of like a
>> suicide vest in that they harm everyone around you with their payload.
>>
>> For example, you're uploading _my_ kid's contacts to Google, and you're
>> uploading _my_ Wi-Fi access point unique GPS location, etc.
>>
>> I've always said it's rude for people to use Android with a Google
>> Account.
>> It's like detonating a suicide vest which harms everyone around you.
>
> Please forgive me for thinking that's overly paranoid.  I've never sent
> you email.  You're not in my contact list.  Neither are your kids.  Does
> google know we've posted in usenet groups.  Yup.  Does it matter?  Nope.
>  The FBI knows all about me up to 1995, and nothing has changed since
> then.  Is that frightening?  Nope.  Are they interested in anything
> about me since then?  Nope, and if they are it's their mistake.
>
> What actual harm do you envision?
>

You're talking to a paranoid narcissist who thinks he's important.

On 1/21/23 4:10 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-01-21 15:04, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 1/21/23 2:35 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's exactly wht I'm going to try next time I go shopping.  No
>>>> goodness involved, just curiosity.
>>>
>>> But you need to download the offline map _ahead_ of time.
>>>       When you're at home.
>>>            Before you park your car.
>>>
>>> I doubt it will work - but maybe Google made it so that it would work.
>>> That's why I asked.
>>>
>>> Here's how to do that (which is useful in and of itself, without
>>> parking).
>>>   *Download areas & navigate offline*
>>>
>>> <https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6291838?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid>
>>>
>>>> I have various google accounts already.  If they want to try to sell
>>>> me something or report my activities to the FBI it's a waste of their
>>>> time, not mine.
>>>
>>> While I understand that 'self centered' view perfectly well, there's more
>>> to the story because you're actually harming others with that attitude.
>>>
>>> It's a normal attitude by the way, so I'm not chastising you.
>>> I'm just saying your attitude doesn't take into account you're harming
>>> me.
>>>
>>> The problem with Google products on Android is they're sort of like a
>>> suicide vest in that they harm everyone around you with their payload.
>>>
>>> For example, you're uploading _my_ kid's contacts to Google, and you're
>>> uploading _my_ Wi-Fi access point unique GPS location, etc.
>>>
>>> I've always said it's rude for people to use Android with a Google
>>> Account.
>>> It's like detonating a suicide vest which harms everyone around you.
>>
>> Please forgive me for thinking that's overly paranoid.  I've never sent
>> you email.  You're not in my contact list.  Neither are your kids.  Does
>> google know we've posted in usenet groups.  Yup.  Does it matter?  Nope.
>>  The FBI knows all about me up to 1995, and nothing has changed since
>> then.  Is that frightening?  Nope.  Are they interested in anything
>> about me since then?  Nope, and if they are it's their mistake.
>>
>> What actual harm do you envision?
>>
>
> You're talking to a paranoid narcissist who thinks he's important.

I'm actually interested. Upon reflection, my life is probably an open
book. I get spam calls from home remodelers and Chinese women who want
to warn me about problems with my immigration documents and email from
women who have found me attractive, Nigerians with money to hide, and
pharmaceutical vendors who want to solve my erectile problem.

I can't imagine that anyone would find my activities/communication a
source of profit worth pursuing. Accordingly, I wonder what the people
who worry about such things worry about.

--
Cheers, Bev
I can picture a world without war, without hate. I can picture
us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

The Real Bev wrote:

> Please forgive me for thinking that's overly paranoid.

No. What I said was correct. You simply don't understand.
You don't know enough to understand. Unfortunately.

And that's OK. It's OK to be ignorant.
But you should _know_ that you're ignorant. That's all.

Most people don't understand a word of what I'm saying.
I doubt you do either.

It's not your fault.
Most people know nothing.

I know what Google uploads. I know what they do with Wi-Fi.
a. Why do you think I don't have a contacts.sqlite file The Real Bev?
b. Why do you think all my access points are hidden & with _nomap?

Do you think I'm stupid?
I know what you don't understand.

> I've never sent
> you email. You're not in my contact list. Neither are your kids.

Oh Jesus. It wasn't meant literally. Think about what I said please.
Read what I said again please. Don't take it literally.

You're harming _everyone_ around you by having that Google Account.
Again, I'm not chastising you.

Everyone in _your_ contact list is being harmed, even if I'm not in it.
Everyone anywhere near you who has Wi-Fi is harmed, even if it's not me.

That's what I meant by the suicide vest.
You don't have the knowledge I have to understand.

But you should trust that I'm not stupid.
I'm not like the iKooks are who think like kindergarten children do.

I'm expecting more from you, the Real Bev.
I don't really expect you to understand anything I say.

But I expect you to take what I say seriously.
It's like when the USA said Russia was invading.

The intelligence community knew a lot more than we did.
And I know a lot more than you do.

Again, I want to be very clear I'm not chastising you.
You don't know what I know.

But take me seriously.
Because your response above makes me think you think I'm stupid.

Simply because I know what you do not know.

> google know we've posted in usenet groups. Yup. Does it matter? Nope.

Well, that's a subject for debate. Certainly I called the FBI to report Rod
Speed seriously setting up a murder plot for me, and I told the FBI who I
was, so they certainly know that name (which was retired that very day).

And certainly they could figure out what name I moved to.
But I'm not hiding from a TLA.

Let me give you some sound advice, which is there are only two or three
people on this newsgroup who know more about Android than I do, and those
two or three people are a LOT smarter than I am (I readily admit that).

But you're not one of them.

So you really need to take what I say seriously if you want to learn
anything about privacy. You don't have to care about privacy, of course.

But take me seriously when I say if you don't care, you are putting
everyone around you at risk _because_ you don't care.

Again, I'm not chastising you because most people are stupid.
And most people don't care about other people.

I'm not. And I do.
> The FBI knows all about me up to 1995, and nothing has changed since
> then. Is that frightening? Nope.

I've had a TSSI security clearance for years, before I retired.
They know all about me too.

That isn't the point.
You don't just roll over and surrender just because they know who you are.

We're not hiding from the TLA's. We can't. Almost nobody can.
Even Osama couldn't hide from them for more than a decade.

And he certainly didn't get anywhere near a computer, now did he?

> Are they interested in anything
> about me since then? Nope, and if they are it's their mistake.

You don't get it but maybe you will over time.
We're not hiding from TLAs. We can't.

> What actual harm do you envision?

Below is a _hypothetical_ situation - consider it metaphor so you
understand the severity of the suicide vest you are wearing.

When I say "me" I mean _everyone_ you contact on your phone, or who is near
you, which "could" be me specifically, but I don't mean it below that way.

To wit...

If you have a Google Account set up on your Android phone... and if you're
doing all the "normal" things people who make that mistake do, then you're
violating the privacy of everybody around you every second of the day.

You may not realize that you have that suicide vest on and that it will not
only get you but everyone else, but you have it and you're detonating it.

To wit, why are you uploading to Google servers the EXACT GPS location of
my Wi-Fi radios, using the UNIQUE identifier for each of them, which only
traces back to me since the GPS and the BSSID are unique to my home?

Why?

To wit, why are you uploading to Google servers my contact information, and
that of my children, and their friends, simply because you don't realize
that using the GMail app does that automatically without your knowledge?

To wit... (this one you're probably not doing - but many people are)

Why are you uploading photos of my precious children at private and public
events and then uploading not only the photos but the EXACT GPS LOCATION
where they're taken, without my consent? With facial recognition also.

I could go on with the suicide vest you're wearing, but I don't want to
inundate you with information.

Bear in mind, the iKooks are so stupid they can't understand a word I said,
and even if they did, they're of so low IQ they'll forget in a day or two.

But I expect you to take my lesson seriously because I've never lied to you
and I've never spoken an incorrect fact to you - and you know that.

This is deadly serious.
You are wearing a suicide vest, and you don't care that You blow up, but
the problem, as I see it, is you are destroying everyone's privacy around
you.

All because you don't understand a word I just said.
Again, I'm not chastising you. It's not your fault.

But I'm sincerely trying to educate you.
You don't know enough to understand, most likely.

But take me seriously please.
Because what I say is correct.

On 21/01/2023 18:49, micky wrote:

> My car is distinctive because of the model and bumper stickers.

Some day you might want to look up what police profilers (& psychologists)
say about people with bumper stickers plastered all over their cars.

In article <tqi57b$1gv7$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

> Do you think I'm stupid?

don't ask questions for which you won't like the answer.

nospam wrote:

>> Do you think I'm stupid?
>
> don't ask questions for which you won't like the answer.

Hi nospam,

What's sad about you is you always respond like a kindergarten child would.

Instead of helping The Real Bev understand how horrible it is to enable
Google to control not only her privacy but that of everyone around her.

What's doubly sad is you're the _smartest_ of all the iKooks, which isn't
saying much as your IQ and lack of education is apparent in your responses.

But at least you could have tried to _help_ The Real Bev, instead of trying
to insult me, when that's impossible - and you're too stupid to know that.

I'm not trying to insult you - because that's equally impossible.

But I am trying to make the point you own no shame whatsoever, no morals,
no good intentions, etc., You're a despicably unprepossessing human piece
of shit, and you prove that every single day.

You have no intention of helping her understand what she's up against.
I do.

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 02:06:26 -0000 (UTC), grinch wrote:
> On 21/01/2023 18:49, micky wrote:
>
>> My car is distinctive because of the model and bumper stickers.
>
> Some day you might want to look up what police profilers (&
> psychologists) say about people with bumper stickers plastered all
> over their cars.

I've often been curious about that observation.
No bumper stickers here....

On 2023-01-22 00:04, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 1/21/23 2:35 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> That's exactly wht I'm going to try next time I go shopping.  No
>>> goodness involved, just curiosity.
>>
>> But you need to download the offline map _ahead_ of time.
>>       When you're at home.
>>            Before you park your car.
>>
>> I doubt it will work - but maybe Google made it so that it would work.
>> That's why I asked.
>>
>> Here's how to do that (which is useful in and of itself, without
>> parking).
>>   *Download areas & navigate offline*
>>
>> <https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6291838?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid>
>>
>>> I have various google accounts already.  If they want to try to sell
>>> me something or report my activities to the FBI it's a waste of their
>>> time, not mine.
>>
>> While I understand that 'self centered' view perfectly well, there's more
>> to the story because you're actually harming others with that attitude.
>>
>> It's a normal attitude by the way, so I'm not chastising you.
>> I'm just saying your attitude doesn't take into account you're harming
>> me.
>>
>> The problem with Google products on Android is they're sort of like a
>> suicide vest in that they harm everyone around you with their payload.
>>
>> For example, you're uploading _my_ kid's contacts to Google, and you're
>> uploading _my_ Wi-Fi access point unique GPS location, etc.
>>
>> I've always said it's rude for people to use Android with a Google
>> Account.
>> It's like detonating a suicide vest which harms everyone around you.
>
> Please forgive me for thinking that's overly paranoid.  I've never sent
> you email.  You're not in my contact list.  Neither are your kids.  Does
> google know we've posted in usenet groups.  Yup.  Does it matter?  Nope.
>  The FBI knows all about me up to 1995, and nothing has changed since
> then.  Is that frightening?  Nope.  Are they interested in anything
> about me since then?  Nope, and if they are it's their mistake.
>
> What actual harm do you envision?

None.

We, in Europe, are not concerned, as our data protection agencies have
not complained. And they are quite sensitive to Google's antics.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. wrote:

> We, in Europe, are not concerned, as our data protection agencies have
> not complained. And they are quite sensitive to Google's antics.

Does a typically configured Android in Europe NOT enable "Wi-Fi scanning"?

To The Real Bev,
a. Carlos is a moron (see why, below)
b. But it's not just Carlos who doesn't know what I know about privacy
c. You don't either - and that's OK

The point is that, if you want to believe ignorant people like Carlos is,
the you should ask them the answer to these rather simple questions below.

Plesae ask Carlos to tell you what his Android 12+ phone says for:
Android12 Settings > Location > Location Services >
Google Location Accuracy = (ask Carlos)
Wi-Fi scanning = (ask Carlos)
Bluetooth scanning = (ask Carlos)

Even if you have every app that needs GPS set to "Allow only while using
the app", many of those apps will ask EVERY TIME for "precise location".
Android12 Settings > Apps > Permission manager > Location > {app} >
Use precise location = (ask Carlos)

With respect to just these three well-known components of Android...
Google Location Accuracy = assisted_gps_enabled
Wi-Fi scanning = wifi_scan_always_enabled
Bluetooth scanning = ble_scan_always_enabled

Ask Carlos to tell you what these are set to for his Google Maps app.
android.permission.ACCESS_BACKGROUND_LOCATION
android.permission.ACCESS_COURSE_LOCATION
android.permission.ACCESS_FINE_LOCATION

My request is based on logic. And sense. And facts.
Ask Carlos how, in Europe, the answers will be any different, please.
Thanks.

On 2023-01-22 22:17, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> We, in Europe, are not concerned, as our data protection agencies have
>> not complained. And they are quite sensitive to Google's antics.
>
> Does a typically configured Android in Europe NOT enable "Wi-Fi scanning"?
>
> To The Real Bev,
> a. Carlos is a moron (see why, below)
> b. But it's not just Carlos who doesn't know what I know about privacy
> c. You don't either - and that's OK
>
> The point is that, if you want to believe ignorant people like Carlos
> is, the you should ask them the answer to these rather simple questions
> below.

I'm flattered. Instead of reasoning, you resort to insults, thus you
have lost the discussion.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 1/25/2023 5:14 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-01-22 22:17, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> We, in Europe, are not concerned, as our data protection agencies
>>> have not complained. And they are quite sensitive to Google's antics.
>>
>> Does a typically configured Android in Europe NOT enable "Wi-Fi
>> scanning"?
>>
>> To The Real Bev,
>> a. Carlos is a moron (see why, below)
>> b. But it's not just Carlos who doesn't know what I know about privacy
>> c. You don't either - and that's OK
>>
>> The point is that, if you want to believe ignorant people like Carlos
>> is, the you should ask them the answer to these rather simple
>> questions below.
>
> I'm flattered. Instead of reasoning, you resort to insults, thus you
> have lost the discussion.

There is nothing more flattering than being insulted by our favorite troll!

On 1/18/2023 9:05 AM, AJL wrote:
> On 1/17/2023 11:38 PM, sms wrote:
>
>> <https://www.insider.com/use-this-google-maps-trick-to-find-your-exact-parking-location-2017-8>
>
> I'm surprised how far my key fob will transmit. So I hit the lock button
> twice and listen for the honk. Course it gets less useful as my hearing
> declines...

On all of our vehicles I replaced the wimpy Toyota horn with these
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000F5DQWY>, though not for the purpose of
finding my car. However I have also used the emergency button on the
remote to locate my car, most recently in a multi-level parking garage.
A GPS locator would not help much in a multi-level garage where you
remember that X & Y location, but not the Z location.

On 2023-01-25 17:39, sms wrote:
> On 1/18/2023 9:05 AM, AJL wrote:
>> On 1/17/2023 11:38 PM, sms wrote:
>>
>>> <https://www.insider.com/use-this-google-maps-trick-to-find-your-exact-parking-location-2017-8>
>>
>> I'm surprised how far my key fob will transmit. So I hit the lock button
>> twice and listen for the honk. Course it gets less useful as my hearing
>> declines...
>
> On all of our vehicles I replaced the wimpy Toyota horn with these
> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000F5DQWY>, though not for the purpose of
> finding my car. However I have also used the emergency button on the
> remote to locate my car, most recently in a multi-level parking garage.
> A GPS locator would not help much in a multi-level garage where you
> remember that X & Y location, but not the Z location.

In those, I take a photo :-)

They usually have numbered slots, and if not, the columns are numbered,
and maybe with different colours based on the Z coordinate. I aim to get
all that and my plate registration, just in case it disappears.

To be on-topic, the photo I do with my mobile phone ;-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 1/25/2023 9:39 AM, sms wrote:

> I have also used the emergency button on the remote to locate my car

In both my cars the key fob's emergency button makes the car start
continuously honking. This may draw unwanted attention from folks
nearby thinking there's a problem and if nothing else can be annoying.
That's why I just press the lock button twice. That produces just one
honk which is usually all I need to get close enough to find it. If not
one second honk may sometimes be needed...