Why is the most important feature in Android not in the Google Doc?
https://blog.esper.io/what-is-project-mainline/

REVIEW SMS GOOGLE DOC <review@smsgoogledoc.com> wrote:

> Why is the most important feature in Android not in the Google Doc?
> https://blog.esper.io/what-is-project-mainline/

Tbe major difference between the two phone lines is that Apple promises to
keep you safe and Google promises not to be evil - and both do neither.
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On 2/6/2023 7:37 AM, Bugsy wrote:
> REVIEW SMS GOOGLE DOC <review@smsgoogledoc.com> wrote:
>
>> Why is the most important feature in Android not in the Google Doc?
>> https://blog.esper.io/what-is-project-mainline/
>
> Tbe major difference between the two phone lines is that Apple promises to
> keep you safe and Google promises not to be evil - and both do neither.

LOL, actually iOS also promises to protect your privacy. If you use
Google's services, whether on iOS or Android, you should not expect privacy.

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In article <trro1u$36ock$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> LOL, actually iOS also promises to protect your privacy.

it does in a variety of ways.

> If you use
> Google's services, whether on iOS or Android, you should not expect privacy.

google's services are not part of ios.

On 6. Feb 2023 at 16:37:55 CET, "Bugsy" <bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:

> Google promises not to be evil

That was a loooong time ago...

Am 07.02.23 um 09:00 schrieb Bernd Froehlich:
> On 6. Feb 2023 at 16:37:55 CET, "Bugsy" <bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:
>
>> Google promises not to be evil
>
> That was a loooong time ago...

Google gets more evil every day. I avoid them wherever I can.

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Bugsy <bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:
> REVIEW SMS GOOGLE DOC <review@smsgoogledoc.com> wrote:
>
>> Why is the most important feature in Android not in the Google Doc?
>> https://blog.esper.io/what-is-project-mainline/
>
> Tbe major difference between the two phone lines is that Apple promises to
> keep you safe and Google promises not to be evil - and both do neither.

As opposed to the government which promises to keep you safe and to not be
evil yet fails at both. The difference is the government can actually harm
you.

On 2/7/2023 12:00 AM, Bernd Froehlich wrote:
> On 6. Feb 2023 at 16:37:55 CET, "Bugsy" <bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:
>
>> Google promises not to be evil
>
> That was a loooong time ago...

I still like the Gmail man video
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR4jTvxPruw>.
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badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Why is the most important feature in Android not in the Google Doc?
>>> https://blog.esper.io/what-is-project-mainline/
>>
>> Tbe major difference between the two phone lines is that Apple promises to
>> keep you safe and Google promises not to be evil - and both do neither.
>
> As opposed to the government which promises to keep you safe and to not be
> evil yet fails at both. The difference is the government can actually harm
> you.

Can't agree more with you on the government and Apple and Google saying
they are spying on you so that they can keep you safe from harm.

I read the esper blog. Did you read it? I didn't really understand it.
What do you think of what it says?
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On Feb 07, 2023, sms wrote
(in article<news:trttmb$3qafi$2@dont-email.me>):

>>> Google promises not to be evil
>>
>> That was a loooong time ago...
>
> I still like the Gmail man video
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR4jTvxPruw>.

I liked the part where the lady with a cat named Dandy overcooked her
lasagna and the GMail man wanted to give her advertisements for an itching
ointment. "The two get together and an ad is born."

Where do those ads go though?
They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?

Ron, the humblest guy in town.

On 2023-02-07 12:12, RonTheGuy wrote:
> On Feb 07, 2023, sms wrote
> (in article<news:trttmb$3qafi$2@dont-email.me>):
>
>>>> Google promises not to be evil
>>>
>>> That was a loooong time ago...
>>
>> I still like the Gmail man video
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR4jTvxPruw>.
>
> I liked the part where the lady with a cat named Dandy overcooked her
> lasagna and the GMail man wanted to give her advertisements for an itching
> ointment. "The two get together and an ad is born."
>
> Where do those ads go though?
> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?

Google stopped this practice long ago. They get data on people elsewise
- in large part from companies that sell their data about you to them
via various aggregators.

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committee

On Feb 07, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<news:OLvEL.71818$jiuc.36142@fx44.iad>):

>> Where do those ads go though?
>> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?
>
> Google stopped this practice long ago. They get data on people elsewise
> - in large part from companies that sell their data about you to them
> via various aggregators.

Thanks for letting me know Google stopped scanning the email for things to
send you ads about but where do those ads you spoke about show up?

I see some ads when I browse the web. Is it there?
There are some ads that I see when I use some apps. Is it there?

How do I know if an ad is a targeted ad from Google or just random?

Ron, the humblest guy in town.

On 2023-02-07 13:49, RonTheGuy wrote:
> On Feb 07, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article<news:OLvEL.71818$jiuc.36142@fx44.iad>):
>
>>> Where do those ads go though?
>>> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?
>>
>> Google stopped this practice long ago. They get data on people elsewise
>> - in large part from companies that sell their data about you to them
>> via various aggregators.
>
> Thanks for letting me know Google stopped scanning the email for things to
> send you ads about but where do those ads you spoke about show up?
>
> I see some ads when I browse the web. Is it there?
> There are some ads that I see when I use some apps. Is it there?
>
> How do I know if an ad is a targeted ad from Google or just random?

All sorts of sites gather data on what you're looking at and sell that
info to Google, Amazon, etc. and so on. via various aggregators who have
"hooks" built into those site web pages.

There are various "blockers" you can install in your browser, or use an
up to date version of Safari, that will reduce that. There are services
you can pay that will (claimed) go about demanding your private data be
removed. No idea how effective that is.

You don't 'know' if it's targeted, but I wouldn't lean to coincidence
very much.

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On 2/6/23 7:37 AM, Bugsy wrote:
> REVIEW SMS GOOGLE DOC <review@smsgoogledoc.com> wrote:
>
>> Why is the most important feature in Android not in the Google Doc?
>> https://blog.esper.io/what-is-project-mainline/
>
> Tbe major difference between the two phone lines is that Apple promises to
> keep you safe and Google promises not to be evil - and both do neither.

I thought google stopped promising that.

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On 2/7/23 1:27 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 07.02.23 um 09:00 schrieb Bernd Froehlich:
>> On 6. Feb 2023 at 16:37:55 CET, "Bugsy" <bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:
>>
>>> Google promises not to be evil
>>
>> That was a loooong time ago...
>
> Google gets more evil every day. I avoid them wherever I can.

They may be evil, but they sure are convenient.

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Salesmen welcome -- dog food is expensive

On 2/7/23 10:49 AM, RonTheGuy wrote:
> On Feb 07, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article<news:OLvEL.71818$jiuc.36142@fx44.iad>):
>
>>> Where do those ads go though?
>>> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?
>>
>> Google stopped this practice long ago. They get data on people elsewise
>> - in large part from companies that sell their data about you to them
>> via various aggregators.
>
> Thanks for letting me know Google stopped scanning the email for things to
> send you ads about but where do those ads you spoke about show up?
>
> I see some ads when I browse the web. Is it there?
> There are some ads that I see when I use some apps. Is it there?

No idea. I use adblock plus, ublock origin and a hosts file. The only
ads I see are the ones youtube forces you to watch for a few seconds
before they let you click SKIP. I have also trained my mind to not
actually see ads -- billboards, etc.

> How do I know if an ad is a targeted ad from Google or just random?

I don't understand why people don't use adblockers. Can you explain?

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On 2023-02-07 14:36, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 2/7/23 1:27 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 07.02.23 um 09:00 schrieb Bernd Froehlich:
>>> On 6. Feb 2023 at 16:37:55 CET, "Bugsy" <bugsy@zimage.comBUGSY> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Google promises not to be evil
>>>
>>> That was a loooong time ago...
>>
>> Google gets more evil every day. I avoid them wherever I can.
>
> They may be evil, but they sure are convenient.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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On 2023-02-07 14:41, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 2/7/23 10:49 AM, RonTheGuy wrote:
>> On Feb 07, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
>> (in article<news:OLvEL.71818$jiuc.36142@fx44.iad>):
>>
>>>> Where do those ads go though?
>>>> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?
>>>
>>> Google stopped this practice long ago.  They get data on people
>>> elsewise - in large part from companies that sell their data about
>>> you to them via various aggregators.
>>
>> Thanks for letting me know Google stopped scanning the email for
>> things to
>> send you ads about but where do those ads you spoke about show up?
>>
>> I see some ads when I browse the web. Is it there?
>> There are some ads that I see when I use some apps. Is it there?
>
> No idea.  I use adblock plus, ublock origin and a hosts file.  The only
> ads I see are the ones youtube forces you to watch for a few seconds
> before they let you click SKIP.  I have also trained my mind to not
> actually see ads -- billboards, etc.

There is a YT ad blocker.

>
>> How do I know if an ad is a targeted ad from Google or just random?
>
> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?

Some sites require you remove the adblocker to see them. Some are even
worth it - at least temporarily.

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“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

On 2/7/23 11:45 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-02-07 14:41, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 2/7/23 10:49 AM, RonTheGuy wrote:
>>> On Feb 07, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
>>> (in article<news:OLvEL.71818$jiuc.36142@fx44.iad>):
>>>
>>>>> Where do those ads go though?
>>>>> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?
>>>>
>>>> Google stopped this practice long ago.  They get data on people
>>>> elsewise - in large part from companies that sell their data about
>>>> you to them via various aggregators.
>>>
>>> Thanks for letting me know Google stopped scanning the email for
>>> things to
>>> send you ads about but where do those ads you spoke about show up?
>>>
>>> I see some ads when I browse the web. Is it there?
>>> There are some ads that I see when I use some apps. Is it there?
>>
>> No idea.  I use adblock plus, ublock origin and a hosts file.  The only
>> ads I see are the ones youtube forces you to watch for a few seconds
>> before they let you click SKIP.  I have also trained my mind to not
>> actually see ads -- billboards, etc.
>
> There is a YT ad blocker.

I don't use it enough to worry about it.

>>> How do I know if an ad is a targeted ad from Google or just random?
>>
>> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?
>
> Some sites require you remove the adblocker to see them. Some are even
> worth it - at least temporarily.

Back when I bothered it frequently didn't work because of the contents
of my hosts file, which I wasn't about to rename and then rename again.

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In article <truabu$3rn67$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>
> >> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?
> >
> > Some sites require you remove the adblocker to see them. Some are even
> > worth it - at least temporarily.
>
> Back when I bothered it frequently didn't work because of the contents
> of my hosts file, which I wasn't about to rename and then rename again.

it's much easier to use an adblocker, which is constantly kept up to
date and can also be easily disabled if necessary.

The Real Bev wrote:

> No idea. I use adblock plus, ublock origin and a hosts file.

Hi The Real Bev,

IMHO... Nobody should see ads or even targeted ads on Android.
They should only see that on iOS (Seriously. See below for proof.)

I always care that people, you and the lurkers, get accurate information.
And I realize the iKooks (viciously) _hate_ that I give accurate data.

So be it...

AFAIK, you can't easily change a hosts file on an iPhone or Android without
root but if you know what you're doing, you can use free system firewalls.

But not on iOS (which is crippled by Apple preventing app functionality).

You used to be able to push a hosts file to Android from Windows though.
https://www.howtogeek.com/140576/how-to-edit-the-hosts-file-on-android-and-block-web-sites/
Never on iOS.

On ad blockers, you can use a free firewall which will also block ads.
<https://netguard.me/>
But not on iOS (all by its itty bitty self, nospam).

Bear in mind the NetGuard on the Google Play Store is prevented, by Google,
from doing all of its really nice magic on ad blocks - so sideload instead.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.faircode.netguard>

If I haven't mentioned it before, one of the _biggest_ difference between
iOS and Android is Apple prevents tons of app functionality. Google can't.

> The only
> ads I see are the ones youtube forces you to watch for a few seconds
> before they let you click SKIP.

It always amazes me when people talk about problems that don't exist.
All your problems should only exist on iOS; not ever on Android, Bev.

You're on Android, The Real Bev, right?
So why don't you just use the free FOSS Google YouTube client instead?
<https://newpipe.net/>
It never shows any ads (and it can do other things like downloading).

This is not possible on iOS no matter how much nospam lies about it.

If I haven't mentioned it before, one of the _biggest_ difference between
iOS and Android is Apple prevents tons of app functionality. Google can't.

> I have also trained my mind to not
> actually see ads -- billboards, etc.

I do the same. Except for the moving ones... oh look! A squirrel!!!!
:)
>> How do I know if an ad is a targeted ad from Google or just random?
>
> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers. Can you explain?

You should only see targeted ads if you're on iOS; never on Android.
You shouldn't even _see_ any ads on Android, The Real Bev. Only on iOS.

On Android, the OS has a button to completely remove the advertising ID.
Again, this is something which is (AFAIK) impossible to do on iOS.

If I haven't mentioned it before, one of the _biggest_ difference between
iOS and Android is Apple prevents tons of app functionality. Google can't.

I wonder if _any_ of those huge differences between Android and iOS are in
Steve's document. Probably not. Steve thinks he knows Android but he
doesn't know Android any better than you do or than I do. Probably less.

The biggest difference between Android and iOS is that Apple prevents the
user from doing all these things that the user _wants_ to do, The Real Bev.

Steve is unaware of that because it's not anywhere in his document.
It's clear Steve has no interest in making his doc what he claims it is.
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nospam wrote:

>>>> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.� Can you explain?
>>>
>>> Some sites require you remove the adblocker to see them. Some are even
>>> worth it - at least temporarily.
>>
>> Back when I bothered it frequently didn't work because of the contents
>> of my hosts file, which I wasn't about to rename and then rename again.
>
> it's much easier to use an adblocker, which is constantly kept up to
> date and can also be easily disabled if necessary.

Hi The Real Bev, (via nospam's post),

Have I ever steered you wrong(ly)?
Never, right?

have you ever found a fact from me to be wrong, The Real Bev?
Never, right?

The problem as I see it, Bev, is you're asking for advice, but the people
who provided it to you - don't know anything about iOS nor Android.

So I need you to listen, and at least respond that you understood. OK?

It's clear none of the iKooks knows _anything_ about either iOS or Android.
And, since Steve doesn't mention it in his doc, he doesn't know either.

But I need you to at least be _aware_ of the facts I am brining to you.
Sigh. The iKooks _hate_ me for bringing up facts for you... but so be it.

There are huge differences between Android & iOS which Steve does NOT
put in his document - mainly because - I guess - he doesn't know them.

But I do.

#1: *Only iOS has targeted ads*; not Android.
See my previous explanation of native Android removal of the ad id.
<https://www.androidpolice.com/google-delete-android-advertising-ids/>

#2: *Only on iOS should you see Google-inserted ads in YouTube videos*.
See my previous explanation of the FOSS Google YouTube app.
<https://newpipe.net/>

#3: *Only on iOS should you see ads anywhere on the phone*
See my previous explanation of the FOSS Firewall app.
<https://netguard.me/>

I know you (from your posts), The Real Bev; so I do not expect you to do
any of those three things; but I do expect you to _understand_ they exist.

The iKooks, even if they understood, would never admit that they exist.

So I just need you to note that you _understood_ those simple ad-related
things, because none of that (last I checked) is in Steve's document.

And all of it should be since it's a huge difference between iOS & Android.
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In article <trub5s$ao6m$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

> AFAIK, you can't easily change a hosts file on an iPhone or Android without
> root but if you know what you're doing, you can use free system firewalls.
>
> But not on iOS (which is crippled by Apple preventing app functionality).

false. apple does not prevent any such thing and various firewalls
exist.

this has been explained to you many times before. why do you continue
to lie?

> On ad blockers, you can use a free firewall which will also block ads.
> But not on iOS (all by its itty bitty self, nospam).

yes on ios. i use several and they're very effective.

> It always amazes me when people talk about problems that don't exist.

then you must amaze yourself quite often.

In article <truc35$ar7o$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

> The problem as I see it, Bev, is you're asking for advice, but the people
> who provided it to you - don't know anything about iOS nor Android.

talking about yourself again, i see.

>
> #1: *Only iOS has targeted ads*; not Android.

false.

> #2: *Only on iOS should you see Google-inserted ads in YouTube videos*.

false.

> #3: *Only on iOS should you see ads anywhere on the phone*

false.

nospam wrote:

>> LOL, actually iOS also promises to protect your privacy.
>
> it does in a variety of ways.

Unlike the iKooks, I can easily agree with anyone who says a cogent
statement which nospam did just now.

While the iPhone has huge privacy holes (e.g., the most zero-day bugs of
any smartphone ever built), Apple _does_ try to make the iPhone, by default
anyway, more private than does Google for the default Android setup.

Google makes almost no attempt, IMHO, in making the default Android setup
more private, and worse, most Android owners are extremely rude people.

These rude Android owners think nothing of leaving the Android phone in the
default Google-applied settings to upload _your_ private contacts to Google
servers, for example.

These rude Android owners think nothing of uploading _your_ private home
GPS location and _unique_ access point SSN (so to speak, via the BSSID).

I can't get a straight answer out of the ignorant iKooks, so I don't know
yet if the Apple Google app setup does the same things; it probably does.

In _that_ way I then only partially agree with nospam's assessment on iOS
privacy, because iOS would only be private if you install no Google apps.

>> If you use
>> Google's services, whether on iOS or Android, you should not expect privacy.
>
> google's services are not part of ios.

By default, I agree with nospam that iOS is set up to be more private than
is Android by default; however, that's only if you never install Google
apps onto iOS, and, remember, Apple & Google have a huge search business.

Even with Apple selling your privacy to Google for search business by
default, I would still agree with nospam that iOS is, by default, a bit
more private than Android is, by default.

However...

For an _intelligent_ user (i.e., nobody on the Apple newsgroup, and maybe
only a handful of people on the Android newsgroup), it's the other way.

If you know how to set up Android, you will _always_ be (far) more private.
I doubt Steve has _any_ of this in his "differences" document. Does he?
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which, in this case, is to explain the details of the privacy differences.