nospam wrote:
>> #1: *Only iOS has targeted ads*; not Android.
>
> false.
>
>> #2: *Only on iOS should you see Google-inserted ads in YouTube videos*.
>
> false.
>
>> #3: *Only on iOS should you see ads anywhere on the phone*
>
> false.

Hi nospam,

At the risk of stating the obvious...
a. A "normal" adult, would first understand what I wrote. You didn't.
b. Then, a "normal" adult, if they disagreed, would say why. You can't.

You're not normal.
You're an iKook.

You disagree with all facts about iOS simply because you _hate_ them.
What shows your low IQ is you _never_ have any counter facts. Never.

*Your _entire_ belief system, nospam, is _completely_ imaginary.*
*Or... a lie*

Still.... it's sad that Steve's comparison doc doesn't cover these facts.

1. *Only iOS has targeted ads*. On Android, you can delete the system adid.
2. *Only iOS has google-inserted youtube ads*. On Android they don't exist.
3. *Only iOS has any ads*; on Android, you simply block them via firewalls.

nospam wrote:

> false. apple does not prevent any such thing and various firewalls
> exist.

Hi nospam,
I have an excellent memory, and Steve and I have both confronted you on
your brazen claim of imaginary fw functionality on the iOS App Store.

> this has been explained to you many times before. why do you continue
> to lie?

If you believe that we are "lying", then simply point to the free firewall
on the iOS App Store that Steve and I can download, right now, nospam.
*Name Just One*
>> On ad blockers, you can use a free firewall which will also block ads.
>> But not on iOS (all by its itty bitty self, nospam).
>
> yes on ios. i use several and they're very effective.

Again, if you are not brazenly lying, simply point to it on the App Store.
*Name Just One*

>> It always amazes me when people talk about problems that don't exist.
>
> then you must amaze yourself quite often.

What doesn't amaze me is how ignorant you are, nospam, of not only Android,
but you're also completely ignorant about how iOS works.

You will/can _never_ name a single iOS app you claim is on the App Store.

It's why I have to say, openly, you're a horridly despicable person nospam.
You own no shame. No honor. No adherence to truth.

You don't care that you have no credibility.
Nor that you brazenly fabricate iOS functionality that doesn't exist.

Your only goal is to defend Apple to the death; no matter what.

On 2/7/23 12:09 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> No idea. I use adblock plus, ublock origin and a hosts file.
>
> Hi The Real Bev,
>
> IMHO... Nobody should see ads or even targeted ads on Android.
> They should only see that on iOS (Seriously. See below for proof.)
....

Mea culpa. We (or at least I) had gotten off track and the discussion
involved computers rather than Android/IOS.

I'm unwilling to root my phone, and use it so little that the ads I'm
forced to see are only a minor annoyance.

--
Cheers,
Bev
------------------------------------------------------
"Give me all your brains or I'll blow your money out!"
--Anonymous Unsuccessful Bank Robber

In article <trudq1$b0kr$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

>
> 1. *Only iOS has targeted ads*. On Android, you can delete the system adid.

you don't understand how ad targeting works and how to block it.

> 2. *Only iOS has google-inserted youtube ads*. On Android they don't exist.

only if the user chooses to block them, which ios users can also do.

> 3. *Only iOS has any ads*; on Android, you simply block them via firewalls.

same on ios.

In article <truebp$b2r9$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

> I have an excellent memory,

clearly not

>
> > this has been explained to you many times before. why do you continue
> > to lie?
>
> If you believe that we are "lying", then simply point to the free firewall
> on the iOS App Store that Steve and I can download, right now, nospam.
> *Name Just One*

as i said, it's been explained to you many times before.

if you have the excellent memory you claim to have, then you would
remember at least one of those times.

The Real Bev wrote:

> I'm unwilling to root my phone, and use it so little that the ads I'm
> forced to see are only a minor annoyance.

Hi The Real Bev,

There are two reasons why you do NOT have to root your phone to not see
ads, one of which is that none of the apps I suggested need root.

The other is that I knew you wouldn't want to root your Android phone.

I know you (from your posts); so I was just making sure you knew that you
never have to see an ad on Android if you do what I do (which you won't).

The point is that free tools exist on Android which don't require root.
Also the Android operating system allows you to delete the advertising id.

In a thread about the most important differences between Android and iOS,
it's important for me to make the distinction, although Steve can't learn.

I hope at least you can.
*Only on iOS should you ever see ads or targeted ads*; not on Android.

nospam wrote:

> if you have the excellent memory you claim to have, then you would
> remember at least one of those times.

Your ability to brazenly lie to your own mother is clear to all, nospam.
You have no shame. No honor. No sense of guilt. No credibility. Nothing.

It's a common trait for you contemptible iKooks to be detestable liars.

nospam wrote:

>> 1. *Only iOS has targeted ads*. On Android, you can delete the system adid.
>
> you don't understand how ad targeting works and how to block it.

No. It's you nospam who doesn't understand that only on iOS will you see
targeted ads, or even ads for that matter. Never on Android.

*Steve needs to add to his doc that ads are only on iOS nowadays.*

>> 2. *Only iOS has google-inserted youtube ads*. On Android they don't exist.
>
> only if the user chooses to block them, which ios users can also do.

No. You have no memory nospam that we covered this in detail in the past.
I have an excellent memory (e.g., we discussed "Video Tube" & "My Tube".

The reason you can't understand what we covered in depth, nospam, is, well,
to put it bluntly, you're too stupid to comprehend that they have ads.

Just different ads.
But they still have ads.

We covered this, nospam, multiple times - and yet you completely forget.
You don't own the IQ to understand a single word I just said, do you?

*Steve needs to add to his doc that ads are only on iOS nowadays.*

>> 3. *Only iOS has any ads*; on Android, you simply block them via firewalls.
>
> same on ios.

All you do, nospam, is the same that Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Snit, and the
rest of the uneducated low-IQ iKooks do, is rehash the same denials
forever.

No iKook has the capacity to learn.
As a result, you iKooks are ignorant of everything about iOS and Android.

The end result is that if you're seeing ads, and especially if you're
seeing targeted ads, and you don't want to - then you are only on iOS.

Android doesn't have them.
Ask me how I know this.

*Steve needs to add to his doc that ads are only on iOS nowadays.*

Am 07.02.23 um 20:41 schrieb The Real Bev:
> No idea. I use adblock plus, ublock origin and a hosts file. The only
> ads I see are the ones youtube forces you to watch for a few seconds
> before they let you click SKIP. I have also trained my mind to not
> actually see ads -- billboards, etc.
>
>> How do I know if an ad is a targeted ad from Google or just random?

https://mybrowseraddon.com/adblocker-for-youtube.html

For Firefox.

On 2/7/2023 11:41 AM, The Real Bev wrote:

<snip>

> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?

What makes you believe that most people don't use Ad Blockers? I think
that most people don't use hosts files and have no idea what they are.
Thanks for reminding me to update my hosts file using the text file from
<https://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm>.

One nice thing I've noticed recently is that many web sites that
complain about ad blockers now have an option to "continue with out
unblocking" in small print, below where they ask you to unblock ads. I
think that it's because even without ads they benefit from you visiting
their site since there are often affiliate links that could be clicked
on, and they realized that most people would not unblock ads to continue
to their site.

--
“How beautiful it is to stay silent when someone expects you to be
enraged.” ― Giada De Laurentiis

In article <ts0j41$8ddr$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> What makes you believe that most people don't use Ad Blockers?

industry stats.

<https://www.statista.com/statistics/804008/ad-blocking-reach-usage-us/>
In 2019, roughly 25.8 percent of internet users were blocking
advertising on their connected devices. This figure is expected to
keep growing (albeit slowly) which loosely translated means that a
quarter of paid advertising messages will never reach their
audiences.

> I think
> that most people don't use hosts files and have no idea what they are.

for good reason. *much* better alternatives exist.

On 2/8/2023 8:37 AM, sms wrote:
> On 2/7/2023 11:41 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?
>
> What makes you believe that most people don't use Ad Blockers? I think
> that most people don't use hosts files and have no idea what they are.
> Thanks for reminding me to update my hosts file using the text file from
> <https://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm>.

As a side note, I tried a different hosts file since the mvps file
doesn't appear to be being updated. Big mistake. I used one from
<https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts>. It totally screwed things up and
it prevented me from deleting or over-writing it. I had to do a System
Restore to fix it. Fortunately I had a restore point that was only about
two weeks old.

In article <ts0q8m$9m2p$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> As a side note, I tried a different hosts file since the mvps file
> doesn't appear to be being updated. Big mistake.

yes it is a mistake to use a hosts file when far better options exist.

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> *Only on iOS should you ever see ads or targeted ads*; not on Android.

To help people understand that if they're seeing ads, they're on iOS,
because Android doesn't have ads anymore if you know how to set it up,
I opened this separate thread on that one topic alone to teach others.

*If you're seeing ads, especially targeted ads - you're on iOS (not Android)*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/jbBVESGcKSA>

While the iKooks will deny every fact they're unaware of (which is, let's
be sincere, almost every fact about iOS), I provided many backup cites.

On 2023-02-07 19:49, RonTheGuy wrote:
> On Feb 07, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article<news:OLvEL.71818$jiuc.36142@fx44.iad>):
>
>>> Where do those ads go though?
>>> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?
>>
>> Google stopped this practice long ago. They get data on people elsewise
>> - in large part from companies that sell their data about you to them
>> via various aggregators.
>
> Thanks for letting me know Google stopped scanning the email for things to
> send you ads about but where do those ads you spoke about show up?

Not that I know.

For example, if you get an email on google with your flight plan, google
takes note, and if your plane delays or is cancelled, google tells you.
You may like this or not, but it sure is convenient: my relatives found
out their flight was cancelled, while the company had said nothing. They
would have arrived to the airport and be stuck, but thanks to google
they knew in advance and had booked another flight (free of cost).

I never got ads directly from Google in my email, and I have at least
one gmail account since the start, or almost. However, when using
webmail I could see related adverts on the sides of the browser.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

To help people understand that if they're seeing ads, they're on iOS,
(because Android doesn't have ads anymore if you know how to set it up),
I opened this separate thread on that one topic alone to teach others.

*If you're seeing ads, especially targeted ads - you're on iOS (not Android)*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/jbBVESGcKSA>

While the iKooks will deny every fact they're unaware of (which is, let's
face it, almost every fact about iOS), I provided many backup cites.

The iKooks will supply none.
And yet, the iKooks will deny every fact everyone else already knows.

Just watch.

nospam wrote:

>> As a side note, I tried a different hosts file since the mvps file
>> doesn't appear to be being updated. Big mistake.
>
> yes it is a mistake to use a hosts file when far better options exist.

Of the common consumer platforms, only on iOS is the hosts impossible.

Android can use any hosts file, without root, for free, nospam.
<https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/blob/master/ADBLOCKING.md>
All by its itty bitty self, nospam.

While Apple advertises privacy, it's only on iOS that it doesn't exist.

That only iOS has ads nowadays is what Steve needs to add to his doc.

Details here (with cites).
*If you're seeing ads, especially targeted ads - you're on iOS (not Android)*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/jbBVESGcKSA>

On 2/8/2023 11:28 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-02-07 19:49, RonTheGuy wrote:
>> On Feb 07, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
>> (in article<news:OLvEL.71818$jiuc.36142@fx44.iad>):
>>
>>>> Where do those ads go though?
>>>> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?
>>>
>>> Google stopped this practice long ago.  They get data on people elsewise
>>> - in large part from companies that sell their data about you to them
>>> via various aggregators.
>>
>> Thanks for letting me know Google stopped scanning the email for
>> things to
>> send you ads about but where do those ads you spoke about show up?
>
> Not that I know.
>
> For example, if you get an email on google with your flight plan, google
> takes note, and if your plane delays or is cancelled, google tells you.
> You may like this or not, but it sure is convenient: my relatives found
> out their flight was cancelled, while the company had said nothing. They
> would have arrived to the airport and be stuck, but thanks to google
> they knew in advance and had booked another flight (free of cost).

It convenient but it's a little creepy.

In article <ts0tg8$nokp$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

> To help people understand that if they're seeing ads, they're on iOS,

do newspapers count?

> (because Android doesn't have ads anymore if you know how to set it up),

to the surprise of absolutely nobody, you're moving the goalposts
again. first you said no ads, now it's only 'if you know how to set it
up'.

ios also doesn't have ads 'if you know how to set it up'. nor does mac,
windows or linux.

> I opened this separate thread on that one topic alone to teach others.

there's only one person who needs to be taught. the problem is that
person is incapable of learning.

In article <ts0ucb$nrd7$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

>
> Android can use any hosts file, without root, for free

a hosts file is primitive and doesn't work that well.

as has been said, there are far more effective and much easier to
manage options.

On 2023-02-08 20:52, sms wrote:
> On 2/8/2023 11:28 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-02-07 19:49, RonTheGuy wrote:
>>> On Feb 07, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
>>> (in article<news:OLvEL.71818$jiuc.36142@fx44.iad>):
>>>
>>>>> Where do those ads go though?
>>>>> They're not sent into the gmail email account itself, are they?
>>>>
>>>> Google stopped this practice long ago.  They get data on people
>>>> elsewise
>>>> - in large part from companies that sell their data about you to them
>>>> via various aggregators.
>>>
>>> Thanks for letting me know Google stopped scanning the email for
>>> things to
>>> send you ads about but where do those ads you spoke about show up?
>>
>> Not that I know.
>>
>> For example, if you get an email on google with your flight plan,
>> google takes note, and if your plane delays or is cancelled, google
>> tells you. You may like this or not, but it sure is convenient: my
>> relatives found out their flight was cancelled, while the company had
>> said nothing. They would have arrived to the airport and be stuck, but
>> thanks to google they knew in advance and had booked another flight
>> (free of cost).
>
> It convenient but it's a little creepy.

I think you can opt out.

It also collects receipts and makes a table for you, I think. Doesn't
work for me, because I have them on a different email.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2/8/23 8:37 AM, sms wrote:
> On 2/7/2023 11:41 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?
>
> What makes you believe that most people don't use Ad Blockers?

They complain about ads. QED! No idea about the proportion, but there
seem to be quite a few of them.

> I think
> that most people don't use hosts files and have no idea what they are.
> Thanks for reminding me to update my hosts file using the text file from
> <https://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm>.

I think you're correct here. I can't remember where I downloaded my
huge one, but I also have a bigger hosts.deny from
https://github.com/Ultimate-Hosts-Blacklist/Ultimate.Hosts.Blacklist

Belt and suspenders...

> One nice thing I've noticed recently is that many web sites that
> complain about ad blockers now have an option to "continue with out
> unblocking" in small print, below where they ask you to unblock ads. I
> think that it's because even without ads they benefit from you visiting
> their site since there are often affiliate links that could be clicked
> on, and they realized that most people would not unblock ads to continue
> to their site.

I've seen some 'continue' notes in small print at sites that want you to
subscribe. Drudge frequently points to articles in newspapers that
demand a subscription before they let you see the article. They
actually think that Kalifornians and other out-of-staters are willing to
subscribe to the East Podunk Journal?

--
Cheers, Bev
You know it's time to clean the refrigerator when
something closes the door from the inside.

On 2023-02-08 21:33, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 2/8/23 8:37 AM, sms wrote:
>> On 2/7/2023 11:41 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I don't understand why people don't use adblockers.  Can you explain?
>>
>> What makes you believe that most people don't use Ad Blockers?
>
> They complain about ads.  QED!  No idea about the proportion, but there
> seem to be quite a few of them.
>
>>  I think that most people don't use hosts files and have no idea what
>> they are.
>> Thanks for reminding me to update my hosts file using the text file from
>> <https://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm>.
>
> I think you're correct here.  I can't remember where I downloaded my
> huge one, but I also have a bigger hosts.deny from
> https://github.com/Ultimate-Hosts-Blacklist/Ultimate.Hosts.Blacklist
>
> Belt and suspenders...

I think you need to keep the file updated frequently.

>
>> One nice thing I've noticed recently is that many web sites that
>> complain about ad blockers now have an option to "continue with out
>> unblocking" in small print, below where they ask you to unblock ads. I
>> think that it's because even without ads they benefit from you visiting
>> their site since there are often affiliate links that could be clicked
>> on, and they realized that most people would not unblock ads to continue
>> to their site.
>
> I've seen some 'continue' notes in small print at sites that want you to
> subscribe.  Drudge frequently points to articles in newspapers that
> demand a subscription before they let you see the article.  They
> actually think that Kalifornians and other out-of-staters are willing to
> subscribe to the East Podunk Journal?

Or Spaniards :-D

--
Cheers, Carlos.

nospam wrote:
> In article <ts0q8m$9m2p$2@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> As a side note, I tried a different hosts file since the mvps file
>> doesn't appear to be being updated. Big mistake.
>
> yes it is a mistake to use a hosts file when far better options exist.
>

I didn't realize you can even use a hosts file on an iphone.

How does that work?

I might want to try for the hell of it.

nospam wrote:

>> (because Android doesn't have ads anymore if you know how to set it up),
>
> to the surprise of absolutely nobody, you're moving the goalposts
> again. first you said no ads, now it's only 'if you know how to set it
> up'.

Idiot.

Even for you, nospam, that's just the desperate excuse of an idiot.
Neither Google nor Apple want you to NOT see ads.

The difference is that *if you can't block those ads, you're on iOS*.

The reason is the biggest difference between iOS and Android, which is that
Apple flatly prohibits tons (and tons!) of app functionality. Google can't.

Like NewPipe, NetGuard and completely wiping out the advertising ID.

> ios also doesn't have ads 'if you know how to set it up'. nor does mac,
> windows or linux.

You have no shame, nospam.
No honor.
No pride.

All you do, every day, is lie about imaginary iOS functionality, nospam.

1. Tell us how to completely remove the advertising ID on iOS nospam.
HINT: You can't. *You lied*.

2. Tell us the app to download that watches YouTube without ads, nospam.
HINT: You can't. *You lied*.

3. Tell us the app to download that loads any ad-blocking host file,
nospam, (all by its itty bitty self... not tethered to a Mac).
HINT: You can't. *You lied*
>> I opened this separate thread on that one topic alone to teach others.
>
> there's only one person who needs to be taught. the problem is that
> person is incapable of learning.

You iKooks nospam have only seven responses to facts that you _hate_.

When you have used up the first six, you resort to ad hominem attacks.

Which is the purest way to know you're desperate because you _hate_ that
you can't find even a single reference that backs up any of your lies.

*The point remains that if you're still seeing ads, then you're on iOS.*
--
If I haven't mentioned it before, one of the _biggest_ difference between
iOS and Android is Apple prevents tons of app functionality. Google can't.