I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I want to save power. But one screen is used to display security cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?

On 5/19/2021 7:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine.  I want
> to save power.  But one screen is used to display security cameras so I
> want it to stay on.  Is there any way (some 3rd party program if
> necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?

Turn monitors on/and off

<https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/multi_monitor_tool.html>

On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:43:41 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com>
wrote:

>I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I want to save power. But one screen is used to display security cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?

https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/multi_monitor_tool.html

The Nirsoft tool linked above looks like it could be handy, but if not,
check around the site a bit. There are several utilities that deal with
monitors.

The tool above can be used from its GUI or from command line, so it might
be useful to set up a task that turns off all of the displays except the
one for the cameras.

On 5/19/21 5:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I want to save power. But one screen is used to display security cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?

Personally, I would keep my system, overall, simpler.

I would have just one monitor, and use task view or something better for
the job.

--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Windows 10 20H2
Firefox 87.0
Thunderbird 60.9.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Wed, 19 May 2021 10:56:30 -0600, "Snowshed." <kcomptutor@q.com> wrote:

>On 5/19/21 5:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I want to save power. But one screen is used to display security cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?
>
>Personally, I would keep my system, overall, simpler.
>
>I would have just one monitor, and use task view or something better for
>the job.

If you have the room for a second or third monitor, which I do, you'd
probably find that it's fantastic.

On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 12:43:41, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote
(my responses usually follow points raised):
>I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I want
>to save power. But one screen is used to display security cameras so I
>want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party program if
>necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?

Could you just take the computer out of that circuit, and connect the
cameras (or the recorder or whatever you're using to combine them)
direct to that monitor?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

No sense being pessimistic. It wouldn't work anyway.
- Penny Mayes, UMRA, 2014-August

On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:56:30 +0100, Snowshed. <kcomptutor@q.com> wrote:

> On 5/19/21 5:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I want to save power. But one screen is used to display security cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?
>
> Personally, I would keep my system, overall, simpler.
>
> I would have just one monitor, and use task view or something better for
> the job.

What a ridiculous thing to say. Why would I deliberately want to have less desktop space?

So this task view, whatever it is, does it magically project another screen holographically where there isn't one? How do I see more than one thing at once?

On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:56:30 +0100, Snowshed. <kcomptutor@q.com> wrote:

> On 5/19/21 5:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I want to save power. But one screen is used to display security cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?
>
> Personally, I would keep my system, overall, simpler.
>
> I would have just one monitor, and use task view or something better for
> the job.

How did the newsgroup line end up as:
alt.comp.os.windows-10,",alt.computerworkshop"

I accidentally missed a dot from it, then your newsreader mangled it even more.

On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:39:10 +0100, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

> On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:43:41 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I want to save power. But one screen is used to display security cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?
>
> https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/multi_monitor_tool.html
>
> The Nirsoft tool linked above looks like it could be handy, but if not,
> check around the site a bit. There are several utilities that deal with
> monitors.
>
> The tool above can be used from its GUI or from command line, so it might
> be useful to set up a task that turns off all of the displays except the
> one for the cameras.

Thanks, I'll give it a try.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 12:43:41, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote
> (my responses usually follow points raised):
>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I
>> want to save power. But one screen is used to display security
>> cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party
>> program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power
>> saving timeout?
>
> Could you just take the computer out of that circuit, and connect the
> cameras (or the recorder or whatever you're using to combine them)
> direct to that monitor?

IP cameras are usually a crap sandwich to deal with.

The companies only offer plugins that run a certain way,
limiting what the user can do with the camera.

You might not even be able to set up a solution under WINE.

Paul

On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 16:10:20, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised):
>J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 12:43:41, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com>
>>wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I
>>>want to save power. But one screen is used to display security
>>>cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party
>>>program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power
>>>saving timeout?
>> Could you just take the computer out of that circuit, and connect
>>the cameras (or the recorder or whatever you're using to combine
>>them) direct to that monitor?
>
>IP cameras are usually a crap sandwich to deal with.
>
>The companies only offer plugins that run a certain way,
>limiting what the user can do with the camera.
>
>You might not even be able to set up a solution under WINE.
>
> Paul
>
I did wonder. He didn't say they were IP cameras, but he didn't say they
weren't. He did use an s - cameras - so we know they are more than one,
but we don't know whether there's something like a recorder combining
them.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Life, liberty and the happiness of pursuit!

On 5/19/21 1:00 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:56:30 +0100, Snowshed. <kcomptutor@q.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/19/21 5:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I want to save power. But one screen is used to display security cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?
>>
>> Personally, I would keep my system, overall, simpler.
>>
>> I would have just one monitor, and use task view or something better for
>> the job.
>
> What a ridiculous thing to say. Why would I deliberately want to have less desktop space?
>
> So this task view, whatever it is, does it magically project another screen holographically where there isn't one? How do I see more than one thing at once?

Task view is the W10 crappy implementation of alternate desktops.

--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Windows 10 20H2
Firefox 87.0
Thunderbird 60.9.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 5/19/21 1:01 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:56:30 +0100, Snowshed. <kcomptutor@q.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/19/21 5:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I want to save power. But one screen is used to display security cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?
>>
>> Personally, I would keep my system, overall, simpler.
>>
>> I would have just one monitor, and use task view or something better for
>> the job.
>
> How did the newsgroup line end up as:
> alt.comp.os.windows-10,",alt.computerworkshop"
>
> I accidentally missed a dot from it, then your newsreader mangled it even more.

It's because the current version of Thunderbird is, IMO, a POS. I
accidentally upgraded, and haven't had the time to revert back to 60.9.1.

--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Windows 10 20H2
Firefox 87.0
Thunderbird 60.9.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 16:10:20, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote (my
> responses usually follow points raised):
>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 12:43:41, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com>
>>> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I
>>>> want to save power. But one screen is used to display security
>>>> cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party
>>>> program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power
>>>> saving timeout?
>>> Could you just take the computer out of that circuit, and connect
>>> the cameras (or the recorder or whatever you're using to combine
>>> them) direct to that monitor?
>>
>> IP cameras are usually a crap sandwich to deal with.
>>
>> The companies only offer plugins that run a certain way,
>> limiting what the user can do with the camera.
>>
>> You might not even be able to set up a solution under WINE.
>>
>> Paul
>>
> I did wonder. He didn't say they were IP cameras, but he didn't say they
> weren't. He did use an s - cameras - so we know they are more than one,
> but we don't know whether there's something like a recorder combining them.

IP cameras "fully work". When a participant doesn't give
stories about how awful they are, then it's an IP one :-)

The part that sucks, is the viewing options.

I have two composite/svideo cameras here, and their
resolution is a grand 640x480. You can't exactly
guard the crown jewels with 640x480. The guy who stole
the jewels, his head is only three pixels high and
three pixels wide. Looks bad in the police photo
"have you seen this man?". You need 4K cameras
if you want to surveil. Even if its only 5FPS.

Nobody uses USB cameras because... wiring. Try and cheaply
extend a USB3 cable. Can you ? I haven't tried. You can't have
much of a camera experience via USB2. Especially if the
same USB2 logic block, runs several ports off the same 480mbits.

Paul

On Wed, 19 May 2021 11:50:52 -0400, Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam>
wrote:

>On 5/19/2021 7:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine.  I want
>> to save power.  But one screen is used to display security cameras so I
>> want it to stay on.  Is there any way (some 3rd party program if
>> necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?
>
>Turn monitors on/and off
>
><https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/multi_monitor_tool.html>

That's sounds as though it is for controlling monitors on a fully
functioning machine. How will it manage to "turn off all but one
monitor at the power saving timeout?"

Unless of course that monitor has a second video feed for the security
cameras and is on a separate uncontrolled power supply.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Wed, 19 May 2021 18:38:56 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 16:10:20, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote (my
>> responses usually follow points raised):
>>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 12:43:41, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com>
>>>> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>>>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I
>>>>> want to save power. But one screen is used to display security
>>>>> cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party
>>>>> program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power
>>>>> saving timeout?
>>>> Could you just take the computer out of that circuit, and connect
>>>> the cameras (or the recorder or whatever you're using to combine
>>>> them) direct to that monitor?
>>>
>>> IP cameras are usually a crap sandwich to deal with.
>>>
>>> The companies only offer plugins that run a certain way,
>>> limiting what the user can do with the camera.
>>>
>>> You might not even be able to set up a solution under WINE.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>> I did wonder. He didn't say they were IP cameras, but he didn't say they
>> weren't. He did use an s - cameras - so we know they are more than one,
>> but we don't know whether there's something like a recorder combining them.
>
>IP cameras "fully work". When a participant doesn't give
>stories about how awful they are, then it's an IP one :-)
>
>The part that sucks, is the viewing options.
>
>I have two composite/svideo cameras here, and their
>resolution is a grand 640x480. You can't exactly
>guard the crown jewels with 640x480. The guy who stole
>the jewels, his head is only three pixels high and
>three pixels wide. Looks bad in the police photo
>"have you seen this man?". You need 4K cameras
>if you want to surveil. Even if its only 5FPS.
>
>Nobody uses USB cameras because... wiring. Try and cheaply
>extend a USB3 cable. Can you ? I haven't tried. You can't have
>much of a camera experience via USB2. Especially if the
>same USB2 logic block, runs several ports off the same 480mbits.

OTOH, not everyone needs 7K IP cams.

http://www.psxgroup.com/4k-5k-6k-7k-surveillance-cameras-whats-difference/

On 5/19/2021 8:20 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2021 11:50:52 -0400, Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/19/2021 7:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine.  I want
>>> to save power.  But one screen is used to display security cameras so I
>>> want it to stay on.  Is there any way (some 3rd party program if
>>> necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?
>>
>> Turn monitors on/and off
>>
>> <https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/multi_monitor_tool.html>
>
> That's sounds as though it is for controlling monitors on a fully
> functioning machine. How will it manage to "turn off all but one
> monitor at the power saving timeout?"
>
> Unless of course that monitor has a second video feed for the security
> cameras and is on a separate uncontrolled power supply.
>

Batch and something like

D:\_NirSoft\multimonitortool-x64\MultiMonitorTool.exe /TurnOff 2,3,4

Run by Task Scheduler or shortcut

Char Jackson wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2021 18:38:56 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 16:10:20, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote (my
>>> responses usually follow points raised):
>>>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 12:43:41, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com>
>>>>> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>>>>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I
>>>>>> want to save power. But one screen is used to display security
>>>>>> cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party
>>>>>> program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power
>>>>>> saving timeout?
>>>>> Could you just take the computer out of that circuit, and connect
>>>>> the cameras (or the recorder or whatever you're using to combine
>>>>> them) direct to that monitor?
>>>> IP cameras are usually a crap sandwich to deal with.
>>>>
>>>> The companies only offer plugins that run a certain way,
>>>> limiting what the user can do with the camera.
>>>>
>>>> You might not even be able to set up a solution under WINE.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>> I did wonder. He didn't say they were IP cameras, but he didn't say they
>>> weren't. He did use an s - cameras - so we know they are more than one,
>>> but we don't know whether there's something like a recorder combining them.
>> IP cameras "fully work". When a participant doesn't give
>> stories about how awful they are, then it's an IP one :-)
>>
>> The part that sucks, is the viewing options.
>>
>> I have two composite/svideo cameras here, and their
>> resolution is a grand 640x480. You can't exactly
>> guard the crown jewels with 640x480. The guy who stole
>> the jewels, his head is only three pixels high and
>> three pixels wide. Looks bad in the police photo
>> "have you seen this man?". You need 4K cameras
>> if you want to surveil. Even if its only 5FPS.
>>
>> Nobody uses USB cameras because... wiring. Try and cheaply
>> extend a USB3 cable. Can you ? I haven't tried. You can't have
>> much of a camera experience via USB2. Especially if the
>> same USB2 logic block, runs several ports off the same 480mbits.
>
> OTOH, not everyone needs 7K IP cams.
>
> http://www.psxgroup.com/4k-5k-6k-7k-surveillance-cameras-whats-difference/

I've tried pointing a camera out the front window, and for a person
on the street, their head is too few pixels to be of any use. That's
how you judge whether your setup has merit or not. Look
at a lot of police video in the news or on a news web site,
for example of cameras that were "desperately useless" for
the job. (In the past, there were a lot of filling stations
with bad video setups.) And cases where they really needed to
catch people, and the video can't be fixed, no matter how much whizzy
reconstruction filter passes you do.

You can guard a hallway with a 640x480, a narrow one. Any open space,
it's going to be more difficult to get a picture with enough
pixels for a head shot.

One company made a 100 megapixel camera, by using an ordinary
sensor and a rotating mirror, and stitching the images together.
And that could record license plates in the company parking lot.
But it couldn't do a proper recording of "someone walking by".
You might only get one frame with the person walking by
and the rest would be missed. From that, you could extract
a head with enough pixels, but not reproduce an action sequence.

Take your existing setup, do a "test walk" past it, then take
the sequence into your photo editor and see how many pixels
make up the head in the picture. And that will give you some idea
whether your camera serves any purpose or not.

A porch pirate might only be six feet from the camera,
and then you'll get a good result (with autofocus). If all
you want is porch pirate coverage, that shouldn't be too hard
to get right.

Paul

On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:39:10 +0100, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

> On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:43:41 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I want to save power. But one screen is used to display security cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?
>
> https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/multi_monitor_tool.html
>
> The Nirsoft tool linked above looks like it could be handy, but if not,
> check around the site a bit. There are several utilities that deal with
> monitors.
>
> The tool above can be used from its GUI or from command line, so it might
> be useful to set up a task that turns off all of the displays except the
> one for the cameras.

I tried it out, by simply manually disabling one monitor and reenabling it, but unfortunately that made Windows forget its position. Upon reenabling, it ended up as though it was a new monitor Windows had never seen before, and my desktop was not in the correct order.

On Thu, 20 May 2021 17:01:15 +0100, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:39:10 +0100, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:43:41 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I want to save power. But one screen is used to display security cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?
>>
>> https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/multi_monitor_tool.html
>>
>> The Nirsoft tool linked above looks like it could be handy, but if not,
>> check around the site a bit. There are several utilities that deal with
>> monitors.
>>
>> The tool above can be used from its GUI or from command line, so it might
>> be useful to set up a task that turns off all of the displays except the
>> one for the cameras.
>
> I tried it out, by simply manually disabling one monitor and reenabling it, but unfortunately that made Windows forget its position. Upon reenabling, it ended up as though it was a new monitor Windows had never seen before, and my desktop was not in the correct order.

I tried "turn off monitor" instead of "disable monitor", but that didn't do anything.

On May 20, 2021 at 9:01:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.03o74dupmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:39:10 +0100, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:43:41 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I want to
>>> save power. But one screen is used to display security cameras so I want
>>> it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party program if necessary) to
>>> turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?
>>
>> https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/multi_monitor_tool.html
>>
>> The Nirsoft tool linked above looks like it could be handy, but if not,
>> check around the site a bit. There are several utilities that deal with
>> monitors.
>>
>> The tool above can be used from its GUI or from command line, so it might
>> be useful to set up a task that turns off all of the displays except the
>> one for the cameras.
>
> I tried it out, by simply manually disabling one monitor and reenabling it,
> but unfortunately that made Windows forget its position. Upon reenabling, it
> ended up as though it was a new monitor Windows had never seen before, and my
> desktop was not in the correct order.

If this was macOS there might be a way to use AppleScript to do this (if
nothing else along with tying it to the command line. There is a discussion of
that here:

<https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/249447/change-display-arrangement-in-os-x-macos-programmatically>

You and I recently talked about why would people want the type of services I
have talked about... imagine if you could just go to a menu in Explorer and
toggle these different arrangements (or set up the menu as you wish in other
apps).

You might be able to get something similar with PowerShell:

<https://superuser.com/questions/1358092/automate-arrangement-of-multiple-displays-in-windows-10>

Sadly it is a bit more complex. With a quick look I do not see an app that
automates this for you.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Thu, 20 May 2021 03:43:55 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 18:38:56 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 16:10:20, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote (my
>>>> responses usually follow points raised):
>>>>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 12:43:41, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com>
>>>>>> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>>>>>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I
>>>>>>> want to save power. But one screen is used to display security
>>>>>>> cameras so I want it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party
>>>>>>> program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power
>>>>>>> saving timeout?
>>>>>> Could you just take the computer out of that circuit, and connect
>>>>>> the cameras (or the recorder or whatever you're using to combine
>>>>>> them) direct to that monitor?
>>>>> IP cameras are usually a crap sandwich to deal with.
>>>>>
>>>>> The companies only offer plugins that run a certain way,
>>>>> limiting what the user can do with the camera.
>>>>>
>>>>> You might not even be able to set up a solution under WINE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>> I did wonder. He didn't say they were IP cameras, but he didn't say they
>>>> weren't. He did use an s - cameras - so we know they are more than one,
>>>> but we don't know whether there's something like a recorder combining them.
>>> IP cameras "fully work". When a participant doesn't give
>>> stories about how awful they are, then it's an IP one :-)
>>>
>>> The part that sucks, is the viewing options.
>>>
>>> I have two composite/svideo cameras here, and their
>>> resolution is a grand 640x480. You can't exactly
>>> guard the crown jewels with 640x480. The guy who stole
>>> the jewels, his head is only three pixels high and
>>> three pixels wide. Looks bad in the police photo
>>> "have you seen this man?". You need 4K cameras
>>> if you want to surveil. Even if its only 5FPS.
>>>
>>> Nobody uses USB cameras because... wiring. Try and cheaply
>>> extend a USB3 cable. Can you ? I haven't tried. You can't have
>>> much of a camera experience via USB2. Especially if the
>>> same USB2 logic block, runs several ports off the same 480mbits.
>>
>> OTOH, not everyone needs 7K IP cams.
>>
>> http://www.psxgroup.com/4k-5k-6k-7k-surveillance-cameras-whats-difference/
>
>I've tried pointing a camera out the front window, and for a person
>on the street, their head is too few pixels to be of any use. That's
>how you judge whether your setup has merit or not. Look
>at a lot of police video in the news or on a news web site,
>for example of cameras that were "desperately useless" for
>the job. (In the past, there were a lot of filling stations
>with bad video setups.) And cases where they really needed to
>catch people, and the video can't be fixed, no matter how much whizzy
>reconstruction filter passes you do.
>
>You can guard a hallway with a 640x480, a narrow one. Any open space,
>it's going to be more difficult to get a picture with enough
>pixels for a head shot.
>
>One company made a 100 megapixel camera, by using an ordinary
>sensor and a rotating mirror, and stitching the images together.
>And that could record license plates in the company parking lot.
>But it couldn't do a proper recording of "someone walking by".
>You might only get one frame with the person walking by
>and the rest would be missed. From that, you could extract
>a head with enough pixels, but not reproduce an action sequence.
>
>Take your existing setup, do a "test walk" past it, then take
>the sequence into your photo editor and see how many pixels
>make up the head in the picture. And that will give you some idea
>whether your camera serves any purpose or not.
>
>A porch pirate might only be six feet from the camera,
>and then you'll get a good result (with autofocus). If all
>you want is porch pirate coverage, that shouldn't be too hard
>to get right.

It's one thing to get a nicely framed and focused shot of someone's smiling
face as they take your package off the porch, but it would also be nice to
get a clear shot of their car and its license plate. Daytime only, I guess.
It's a lot harder to get good video in the dark.

On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:00:40 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 20, 2021 at 9:01:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.03o74dupmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:39:10 +0100, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:43:41 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I want to
>>>> save power. But one screen is used to display security cameras so I want
>>>> it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party program if necessary) to
>>>> turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?
>>>
>>> https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/multi_monitor_tool.html
>>>
>>> The Nirsoft tool linked above looks like it could be handy, but if not,
>>> check around the site a bit. There are several utilities that deal with
>>> monitors.
>>>
>>> The tool above can be used from its GUI or from command line, so it might
>>> be useful to set up a task that turns off all of the displays except the
>>> one for the cameras.
>>
>> I tried it out, by simply manually disabling one monitor and reenabling it,
>> but unfortunately that made Windows forget its position. Upon reenabling, it
>> ended up as though it was a new monitor Windows had never seen before, and my
>> desktop was not in the correct order.
>
> If this was macOS there might be a way to use AppleScript to do this (if
> nothing else along with tying it to the command line. There is a discussion of
> that here:
>
>
> <https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/249447/change-display-arrangement-in-os-x-macos-programmatically>
>
> You and I recently talked about why would people want the type of services I
> have talked about... imagine if you could just go to a menu in Explorer and
> toggle these different arrangements (or set up the menu as you wish in other
> apps).
>
> You might be able to get something similar with PowerShell:
>
>
> <https://superuser.com/questions/1358092/automate-arrangement-of-multiple-displays-in-windows-10>
>
> Sadly it is a bit more complex. With a quick look I do not see an app that
> automates this for you.

Do you have access to a second monitor for a mac? If you think it's easy, prove yourself right and create a script to turn one off after say 10 minutes of inactivity, but leave the other powered up continuously.

On May 20, 2021 at 11:14:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.03pd9xfdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Thu, 20 May 2021 19:00:40 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 20, 2021 at 9:01:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.03o74dupmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:39:10 +0100, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:43:41 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine. I want to
>>>>> save power. But one screen is used to display security cameras so I want
>>>>> it to stay on. Is there any way (some 3rd party program if necessary) to
>>>>> turn off all but one monitor at the power saving timeout?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/multi_monitor_tool.html
>>>>
>>>> The Nirsoft tool linked above looks like it could be handy, but if not,
>>>> check around the site a bit. There are several utilities that deal with
>>>> monitors.
>>>>
>>>> The tool above can be used from its GUI or from command line, so it might
>>>> be useful to set up a task that turns off all of the displays except the
>>>> one for the cameras.
>>>
>>> I tried it out, by simply manually disabling one monitor and reenabling it,
>>> but unfortunately that made Windows forget its position. Upon reenabling,
>>> it
>>> ended up as though it was a new monitor Windows had never seen before, and
>>> my
>>> desktop was not in the correct order.
>>
>> If this was macOS there might be a way to use AppleScript to do this (if
>> nothing else along with tying it to the command line. There is a discussion
>> of
>> that here:
>>
>>
>>
>> <https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/249447/change-display-arrangement-in-os-x-macos-programmatically>
>>
>> You and I recently talked about why would people want the type of services I
>> have talked about... imagine if you could just go to a menu in Explorer and
>> toggle these different arrangements (or set up the menu as you wish in other
>> apps).
>>
>> You might be able to get something similar with PowerShell:
>>
>>
>>
>> <https://superuser.com/questions/1358092/automate-arrangement-of-multiple-displays-in-windows-10>
>>
>> Sadly it is a bit more complex. With a quick look I do not see an app that
>> automates this for you.
>
> Do you have access to a second monitor for a mac? If you think it's easy,
> prove yourself right and create a script to turn one off after say 10 minutes
> of inactivity, but leave the other powered up continuously.

I know you can rearrange them... but with a quick look I do not see a way to
put just one to sleep.

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On 5/20/2021 12:01 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:39:10 +0100, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:43:41 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have more than one monitor connected to a Windows 10 machine.  I
>>> want to save power.  But one screen is used to display security
>>> cameras so I want it to stay on.  Is there any way (some 3rd party
>>> program if necessary) to turn off all but one monitor at the power
>>> saving timeout?
>>
>> https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/multi_monitor_tool.html
>>
>> The Nirsoft tool linked above looks like it could be handy, but if not,
>> check around the site a bit. There are several utilities that deal with
>> monitors.
>>
>> The tool above can be used from its GUI or from command line, so it might
>> be useful to set up a task that turns off all of the displays except the
>> one for the cameras.
>
> I tried it out, by simply manually disabling one monitor and reenabling
> it, but unfortunately that made Windows forget its position.  Upon
> reenabling, it ended up as though it was a new monitor Windows had never
> seen before, and my desktop was not in the correct order.

Look at all of the options:
D:\_NirSoft\multimonitortool-x64\MultiMonitorTool.exe /MoveWindow 2
Title ".Overnight.bat" /WindowLeft 880 /WindowTop 2