"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
news:ucnis9$2opcq$2@dont-email.me...
> On 2023-08-30 06:05, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>> news:uclmd1$2cn32$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 2023-08-25 06:39, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:uc8to2$3mlh4$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 2023-08-24 06:53, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uc57nt$2vg3q$6@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 2023-08-23 05:22, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:uc3s0h$2ovkl$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-21 18:45, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:06:36 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:ubr2vh$viq6$4@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-19 04:23, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:27:51 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-18 21:10, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 13:08:28 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-18 11:16, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 08:43:25 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ubls3p$3sqta$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-17 10:52, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then there are high finance charges, insurance costs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking at your 2nd set of tires at 3 times the cost of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite, please!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcmag.com/news/the-unexpected-problem-with-evs-they-tire-quickly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know, you should really consider finding out this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before promoting the latest geewhiz tech
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Further requests will be ignored.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And where are your bullshit cites for insurance and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finance charges?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason they go through tires faster is that owners are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so taken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the stunning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceleration of even cheap BEVs that they're constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rabbit starts and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slamming on the brakes. This has been recognized as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first time EV owners.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Early Tesla users broke transmissions regularly because of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Be fair:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVs do tend to be heavier than IC cars of the same size.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The difference may not be as large as some of our trolls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insist...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...but taking out the IC drivetrain and putting in one of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motors and a large battery pack does add weight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they are stunningly quicker. 0-60 in under 4 seconds is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not rare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the Rivian architecture. Each wheel has it's own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motor. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimate 4 wheel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of that has anything to refute that heavier vehicles use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up tires
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more quickly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously: don't argue against things that are obviously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wtf is your damage today, Alan? I'm not arguing for or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything. I'm noting that I like Rivian's architecture.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You deflected away from the simple fact that one of the reasons
>>>>>>>>>>>> EVs wear
>>>>>>>>>>>> tires more quickly is that--everything else being equal--they
>>>>>>>>>>>> weigh MORE.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And the ultra low rolling resistance tires wear faster... and
>>>>>>>>>>> cost quite a
>>>>>>>>>>> bit more.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually they wear longer being made out of stiffer compounds to
>>>>>>>>>> help achieve that rolling
>>>>>>>>>> ease. Easy rollers are notorious for being a poor choice for
>>>>>>>>>> handling on ICE cars because
>>>>>>>>>> they simply aren't sticky enough. The reason BEVs handle as well
>>>>>>>>>> as they do is because
>>>>>>>>>> the heavy batteries dramatically lower the center of gravity and
>>>>>>>>>> without a heavy engine at
>>>>>>>>>> one end or the other, can achieve perfect 50/50 f/r weight
>>>>>>>>>> distribution. Factor in modern
>>>>>>>>>> traction management systems, and BEVs usually handle better than
>>>>>>>>>> an equivalent ICE. This
>>>>>>>>>> gives sports car level handling with a big sedan comfortable
>>>>>>>>>> ride. This better handling
>>>>>>>>>> helps contribute to safety as it makes it easier to maintain
>>>>>>>>>> control over the vehicle.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The higher pressures require a stronger, therefore more massive,
>>>>>>>>>> tire. Thicker walls,
>>>>>>>>>> heavier belts, etc..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dude.... ...just stop talking.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You clearly don't know a THING about tires and what makes them
>>>>>>>>> wear fast or slow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suppose you claim you do?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tell me what is the wear ratings for your typical ultralow rolling
>>>>>>>> resistance tire using an an EV as opposed to say a 50,000 mile tire
>>>>>>>> you might find on your average ICE?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Already done, sonny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you don't know and you refuse to find out.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I mean I already provided specific examples of a regular tire and
>>>>> an EV tire for the same EV in the exact same size.
>>>>
>>>> No, you haven't. Look above.. there is absolutely nothing there.
>>>>
>>>> otherwise cite the post you claim you did that in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Already done... ...at least twice.
>>
>> We acknowledge your inability to cite where in your references they
>> support the claims you've made.
>>
>>
>
> I've posted the link to the previous post at least twice.

On 2023-08-30 08:01, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
> news:ucnis9$2opcq$2@dont-email.me...
>> On 2023-08-30 06:05, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uclmd1$2cn32$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 2023-08-25 06:39, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uc8to2$3mlh4$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 2023-08-24 06:53, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uc57nt$2vg3q$6@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-23 05:22, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:uc3s0h$2ovkl$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-21 18:45, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 10:06:36 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ubr2vh$viq6$4@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-19 04:23, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:27:51 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-18 21:10, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 13:08:28 -0700, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-18 11:16, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 08:43:25 -0500, "Scout"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ubls3p$3sqta$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-17 10:52, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then there are high finance charges, insurance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> costs, You're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking at your 2nd set of tires at 3 times the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost of standard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite, please!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcmag.com/news/the-unexpected-problem-with-evs-they-tire-quickly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know, you should really consider finding out this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before promoting the latest geewhiz tech
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Further requests will be ignored.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And where are your bullshit cites for insurance and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finance charges?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason they go through tires faster is that owners
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are so taken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the stunning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceleration of even cheap BEVs that they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly doing jack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rabbit starts and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slamming on the brakes.  This has been recognized as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an issue with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first time EV owners.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Early Tesla users broke transmissions regularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Be fair:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVs do tend to be heavier than IC cars of the same size.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The difference may not be as large as some of our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insist...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...but taking out the IC drivetrain and putting in one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motors and a large battery pack does add weight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they are stunningly quicker.  0-60 in under 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seconds is not rare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the Rivian architecture.  Each wheel has it's own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motor. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimate 4 wheel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of that has anything to refute that heavier vehicles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use up tires
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more quickly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously: don't argue against things that are obviously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wtf is your damage today, Alan?   I'm not arguing for or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything.  I'm noting that I like Rivian's architecture.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You deflected away from the simple fact that one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons EVs wear
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tires more quickly is that--everything else being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> equal--they weigh MORE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And the ultra low rolling resistance tires wear faster...
>>>>>>>>>>>> and cost quite a
>>>>>>>>>>>> bit more.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually they wear longer being made out of stiffer compounds
>>>>>>>>>>> to help achieve that rolling
>>>>>>>>>>> ease.  Easy rollers are notorious for being a poor choice for
>>>>>>>>>>> handling on ICE cars because
>>>>>>>>>>> they simply aren't sticky enough.  The reason BEVs handle as
>>>>>>>>>>> well as they do is because
>>>>>>>>>>> the heavy batteries dramatically lower the center of gravity
>>>>>>>>>>> and without a heavy engine at
>>>>>>>>>>> one end or the other, can achieve perfect 50/50 f/r weight
>>>>>>>>>>> distribution. Factor in modern
>>>>>>>>>>> traction management systems, and BEVs usually handle better
>>>>>>>>>>> than an equivalent ICE. This
>>>>>>>>>>> gives sports car level handling with a big sedan comfortable
>>>>>>>>>>> ride. This better handling
>>>>>>>>>>> helps contribute to safety as it makes it easier to maintain
>>>>>>>>>>> control over the vehicle.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The higher pressures require a stronger, therefore more
>>>>>>>>>>> massive, tire. Thicker walls,
>>>>>>>>>>> heavier belts, etc..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dude.... ...just stop talking.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You clearly don't know a THING about tires and what makes them
>>>>>>>>>> wear fast or slow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suppose you claim you do?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tell me what is the wear ratings for your typical ultralow
>>>>>>>>> rolling resistance tire using an an EV as opposed to say a
>>>>>>>>> 50,000 mile tire you might find on your average ICE?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Already done, sonny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then you don't know and you refuse to find out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I mean I already provided specific examples of a regular tire
>>>>>> and an EV tire for the same EV in the exact same size.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, you haven't. Look above.. there is absolutely nothing there.
>>>>>
>>>>> otherwise cite the post you claim you did that in.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Already done... ...at least twice.
>>>
>>> We acknowledge your inability to cite where in your references they
>>> support the claims you've made.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I've posted the link to the previous post at least twice.
>
> Which doesn't support what you claim.
>
>

In message <uclnjc$2dj1n$1@dont-email.me>
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2023-08-21 07:32, Scout wrote:
>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>> news:ubo8mo$b55s$4@dont-email.me...
>>> On 2023-08-18 06:15, Scout wrote:
>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ublroe$3sqta$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 2023-08-17 10:29, Scout wrote:
>>>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ublg5a$3r264$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 2023-08-17 06:57, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:ubjet1$3emc8$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:16, News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:04 PM, JAB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:

[very long discussion snipped]

Well, it's been interesting to hear about how many American homes have
frankly third-world electrical wiring. Can't even install a charger
of about 7 kW without huge expense.

OTOH, maybe it's a load of old baloney.

David

On 2023-08-21 09:09, Scout wrote:
>
>
> Instead we have people like you ruling from on-high what the people MUST
> do because you somehow thing you know more about their lives than they do.

You are so incredibly full of shit.

I have never said a single thing about anyone doing anything because
they "MUST".

I have rebutted your bullshit claims about the cost of installing a
simple electrical circuit.

'Average Cost for a Home EV Charger and Installation

The average cost to have an EV charger installed at your home is around
$2,200. This cost will include the installation labor cost of hiring a
licensed electrician to handle the wiring project. The cost of the
electric wire and connectors to support a 50-amp 240V line, as well as
the level-2 charging unit. All local permits and inspections as needed,
and complete cleanup of the work area once the installation is
completed. Note: This cost does not include any type of solar charging
features.'

<https://www.costimates.com/costs/electricity-outlets/ev-charger-station/>

That's a far cry from your claims of $10,000...