The native Android11 one is laughable. I updated 110 of my 230 apps
yesterday -- which took all day. The battery usage monitor claims that
Google Play Store used 2% of the battery during 29 minutes of usage.
Aside from that I took two photos . The battery indicator showed
something like 45%.

What's wrong with this picture?

I assume that the internals are doing stuff that uses the battery and
that I can't do anything about it, I just want to KNOW WTF that is.

--
Cheers, Bev
I'd rather not have neighbors. If I can see them, they're too close.
In fact, if I can see them through a rifle scope, they're too close.
-- Anonymous Coward

I enjoy helping people who are worth helping (i.e., not spammers).

So I took a look at your problem, but I was just keying off the title (as
the body of your message confused me)... where I ran a search for "battery
monitor" in the best free adfree gsfree Android App Finder there ever was.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=scadica.aq>

Wouldn't you know it, when I saved the App Finder results directly to an
Excel spreadsheet, there were 3,923 results - which is too much to compare.

Since App Finder has fantastic filters available nowhere else in the world,
I was able to hone down the apps based on filtering criteria to this if
you're willing to put up with ads (as it has the greatest satisfaction).
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gsamlabs.bbm>

You can run that search of the Google Play Store from your PC now, BTW.
<https://skyica.com/>

On 9/7/23 6:30 PM, Wally J wrote:
> I enjoy helping people who are worth helping (i.e., not spammers).
>
> So I took a look at your problem, but I was just keying off the title (as
> the body of your message confused me)... where I ran a search for "battery
> monitor" in the best free adfree gsfree Android App Finder there ever was.
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=scadica.aq>
>
> Wouldn't you know it, when I saved the App Finder results directly to an
> Excel spreadsheet, there were 3,923 results - which is too much to compare.
>
> Since App Finder has fantastic filters available nowhere else in the world,
> I was able to hone down the apps based on filtering criteria to this if
> you're willing to put up with ads (as it has the greatest satisfaction).
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gsamlabs.bbm>

Thanks, I'll give it a shot. I was hoping for a personal recommendation.

> You can run that search of the Google Play Store from your PC now, BTW.
> <https://skyica.com/>

--
Cheers, Bev
SAVE GAS, FART IN A JAR

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gsamlabs.bbm>
>
> Thanks, I'll give it a shot. I was hoping for a personal recommendation.

Understood. Yes, that recommendation was based on search results.

As for me, I don't personally bother with battery monitors as my batter in
my free Samsung (which is two years old now) could start my car, it's so
big. I don't even charge it at night anymore. Just when it needs it.

Someone else will help you, I'm sure. Good luck.
I hope you find what you are looking for.

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote

> I hope you find what you are looking for.

With the newer Android phones, the battery could start your car but I care
that people get the answers they seek - it's just the way I'm wired.

So I looked for you on one of my older Android phones in my spare drawer
where I too had issues with batteries in the past - so I researched the
best battery monitors available on Android - and just found them for you.

These three app I had tested long ago and found them to be useful then.
(I'm sure there is a writeup on them from me in the archives.)

I always order apps in the preferred order, so this is my order.
And I always provide the links (even though that's a lot of work)
so that there is no ambiguity in the names of the suggested apps.

Battery Dog for Android by Ferenc Hechler 10K+ Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sf.andbatdog.batterydog>

BatteryBot Battery Indicator by Darshan Computing, LLC
4.3 59.1K reviews 5M+ Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.darshancomputing.BatteryIndicator>

BetterBatteryStats by Sven Knispel 4.4 11.3K reviews 100K+ Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asksven.betterbatterystats>

As always, they are free, ad free and most likely gsf free
(there's no way on my phone to pay so every app must be free).

Let us know if any of those three apps work out for you please.
--
Some people are on Usenet for their amusement but I'm here to learn from
others and to help others learn from me - where together we add value.

In message <uddpak$35s4h$1@dont-email.me>
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> The native Android11 one is laughable. I updated 110 of my 230 apps
> yesterday -- which took all day. The battery usage monitor claims that
> Google Play Store used 2% of the battery during 29 minutes of usage. Aside
> from that I took two photos . The battery indicator showed something like
> 45%.
>
> What's wrong with this picture?
>
> I assume that the internals are doing stuff that uses the battery and that
> I can't do anything about it, I just want to KNOW WTF that is.

Do I understand you to say that the Play Store only used 2%, but something
else used 45%, or you were down to 45% from some (presumably high) figure
before the update started?

The Play Store usage would cover the finding and transport of your
upgrades, but I would assume (rightly or wrongly!) that the installation
is not actually done /by/ the Play Store, therefore the battery usage
during installation would not be ascribed to it.

If anyone has accurate insight, I think we'd be grateful.

David

On 9/8/23 8:15 AM, David Higton wrote:
> In message <uddpak$35s4h$1@dont-email.me>
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The native Android11 one is laughable. I updated 110 of my 230 apps
>> yesterday -- which took all day. The battery usage monitor claims that
>> Google Play Store used 2% of the battery during 29 minutes of usage. Aside
>> from that I took two photos . The battery indicator showed something like
>> 45%.
>>
>> What's wrong with this picture?
>>
>> I assume that the internals are doing stuff that uses the battery and that
>> I can't do anything about it, I just want to KNOW WTF that is.
>
> Do I understand you to say that the Play Store only used 2%, but something
> else used 45%, or you were down to 45% from some (presumably high) figure
> before the update started?

#1. The % is based on usage since the last 100% charge.

> The Play Store usage would cover the finding and transport of your
> upgrades, but I would assume (rightly or wrongly!) that the installation
> is not actually done /by/ the Play Store, therefore the battery usage
> during installation would not be ascribed to it.

The updates are happening over wifi, but the wifi % was low. The whole
is far greater than the sum of the listed parts.

> If anyone has accurate insight, I think we'd be grateful.

--
Cheers, Bev
"The object in life is not to be on the side of the
majority, but to be insane in such a useful way that
they can't commit you." -- Mark Edwards

On 9/8/23 12:19 AM, Wally J wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gsamlabs.bbm>

Deleted this morning. I looked at the generic monitor and found that
the new one had used 3% of the battery. Ha!

>> Thanks, I'll give it a shot. I was hoping for a personal recommendation.
>
> Understood. Yes, that recommendation was based on search results.
>
> As for me, I don't personally bother with battery monitors as my batter in
> my free Samsung (which is two years old now) could start my car, it's so
> big. I don't even charge it at night anymore. Just when it needs it.

Pixel2 battery is laughably small. I doubt that there's anything I can
do that will seriously improve battery usage, so it's really just curiosity.

> Someone else will help you, I'm sure. Good luck.
> I hope you find what you are looking for.

--
Cheers, Bev
"The object in life is not to be on the side of the
majority, but to be insane in such a useful way that
they can't commit you." -- Mark Edwards

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> The native Android11 one is laughable. I updated 110 of my 230 apps
> yesterday -- which took all day. The battery usage monitor claims that
> Google Play Store used 2% of the battery during 29 minutes of usage.
> Aside from that I took two photos . The battery indicator showed
> something like 45%.
>
> What's wrong with this picture?
>
> I assume that the internals are doing stuff that uses the battery and
> that I can't do anything about it, I just want to KNOW WTF that is.

First off, there's no such thing as "native Android [NN]". IIRC, you
have some kind of Google Pixel, so you're probably referring to that.

I don't know about yours, but my (Samsung Galaxy A51, Android 13)
'Battery usage' page also has 'Screen on time:' and 'Screen off time:'
entries (in addition to the entries for the individual apps).

It does *not* say how much battery capacity is used by the screen
during the 'Screen on time', but for most 'simple' users, the battery
usage by the screen is probably more that the (reported) battery useage
from the apps.

For example for my phone, the battery went from 85 (upper limit) to
65%, so 20% down, but the sum of the reported percentages of the apps is
only 6.1%. So the other nearly 14% was used by the screen.

"Elementary, dear Watson!"

Bottom line: (Non-blank) Screens use power, silly things! :-)

On Thu, 7 Sep 2023 17:19:30 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
wrote:

>The native Android11 one is laughable. I updated 110 of my 230 apps
>yesterday -- which took all day. The battery usage monitor claims that
>Google Play Store used 2% of the battery during 29 minutes of usage.
>Aside from that I took two photos . The battery indicator showed
>something like 45%.
>
>What's wrong with this picture?
>
>I assume that the internals are doing stuff that uses the battery and
>that I can't do anything about it, I just want to KNOW WTF that is.
Bev,

I just installed the BatteryBot that Wally recommended to see if it
was better than AccuBattery which I have used for years. From what I
saw, it is not. AccuBattery gives much more detailed info than
BatteryBot. It is free, but does have ads which are getting more
annoying every year.

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

On Fri, 08 Sep 2023 13:40:33 -0500, jetjock <jetjock@unkown.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Sep 2023 17:19:30 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>The native Android11 one is laughable. I updated 110 of my 230 apps
>>yesterday -- which took all day. The battery usage monitor claims that
>>Google Play Store used 2% of the battery during 29 minutes of usage.
>>Aside from that I took two photos . The battery indicator showed
>>something like 45%.
>>
>>What's wrong with this picture?
>>
>>I assume that the internals are doing stuff that uses the battery and
>>that I can't do anything about it, I just want to KNOW WTF that is.
>Bev,
>
> I just installed the BatteryBot that Wally recommended to see if it
>was better than AccuBattery which I have used for years. From what I
>saw, it is not. AccuBattery gives much more detailed info than
>BatteryBot. It is free, but does have ads which are getting more
>annoying every year.

I forgot to add that BatteryBot gives individual app battery usage,
while AccuBattery does not. But it does give a whole lot of more
details.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

jetjock <jetjock@unkown.com> wrote

>> I just installed the BatteryBot that Wally recommended to see if it
>>was better than AccuBattery which I have used for years. From what I
>>saw, it is not. AccuBattery gives much more detailed info than
>>BatteryBot. It is free, but does have ads which are getting more
>>annoying every year.
>
> I forgot to add that BatteryBot gives individual app battery usage,
> while AccuBattery does not. But it does give a whole lot of more
> details.

Thanks for testing the suggested free adfree and gsffree battery monitor
tools for TheRealBev (and others) to benefit from.

As I said, I tested all the free ad free battery monitors and came up with
that short list of three that seemed to do the job on my older Androids.

Nowadays, with my three-year old free Galaxy A325G, I don't even think
about the battery anymore - but on older Androids, it was paramount.

Let's hope TheRealBev can get a chance to test some of these and report
back to the team so that everyone pitches in to add value for all of us.

Battery Dog for Android by Ferenc Hechler
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sf.andbatdog.batterydog>

BatteryBot Battery Indicator by Darshan Computing, LLC
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.darshancomputing.BatteryIndicator>

BetterBatteryStats by Sven Knispel
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asksven.betterbatterystats>

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

> Pixel2 battery is laughably small. I doubt that there's anything I can
> do that will seriously improve battery usage, so it's really just curiosity.

I don't disagree as I deleted it myself just yesterday after testing.

I ran a survey of all the available free battery monitors years ago
(which I had forgotten about until I dug into my old-phone drawer for you).

On those older phones, I had battery issues so I installed 3 utilities.
Check out the best three free ad free (probably GSF free) apps I sent you.

Battery Dog for Android by Ferenc Hechler
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sf.andbatdog.batterydog>

BatteryBot Battery Indicator by Darshan Computing, LLC
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.darshancomputing.BatteryIndicator>

BetterBatteryStats by Sven Knispel
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asksven.betterbatterystats>

Let us know how they work out for you if you test them out.

Although I did see the jetcock admonition that AccuBattery adware gives more
detailed info than BatteryBot does (while BatteryBot gives individual app
battery usage,while AccuBattery does not).

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote

> Battery Dog for Android by Ferenc Hechler
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sf.andbatdog.batterydog>
>
> BatteryBot Battery Indicator by Darshan Computing, LLC
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.darshancomputing.BatteryIndicator>
>
> BetterBatteryStats by Sven Knispel
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asksven.betterbatterystats>

Drat. I just clicked on the links (to make sure they were still good) and
it seems that jetcock picked the only viable app out of the three.

The BBS Knispel apps seems to cost money now, and the BatteryDog is like a
watchdog, but it's not all that user friendly (based on a quick peek).

So the only viable app for TheRealBev to test, seems to be the same one
that jetcock tested - based on that little bit of information I just
gleaned from reading the Google Play Store pages.
--
Note: I tested all of these but it was years ago - but we might be able to
find the writup I'm sure I wrote and posted to this Android newsgroup then.

On 9/8/23 10:50 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The native Android11 one is laughable. I updated 110 of my 230 apps
>> yesterday -- which took all day. The battery usage monitor claims that
>> Google Play Store used 2% of the battery during 29 minutes of usage.
>> Aside from that I took two photos . The battery indicator showed
>> something like 45%.
>>
>> What's wrong with this picture?
>>
>> I assume that the internals are doing stuff that uses the battery and
>> that I can't do anything about it, I just want to KNOW WTF that is.
>
> First off, there's no such thing as "native Android [NN]". IIRC, you
> have some kind of Google Pixel, so you're probably referring to that.

Yup. Pixel2. Small battery. Just wondering what IT is doing that I
wish it weren't. The percentages given do not add up to 100. Why so
secretive? What is google afraid we'll find out?

> I don't know about yours, but my (Samsung Galaxy A51, Android 13)
> 'Battery usage' page also has 'Screen on time:' and 'Screen off time:'
> entries (in addition to the entries for the individual apps).
>
> It does *not* say how much battery capacity is used by the screen
> during the 'Screen on time', but for most 'simple' users, the battery
> usage by the screen is probably more that the (reported) battery useage
> from the apps.
>
> For example for my phone, the battery went from 85 (upper limit) to
> 65%, so 20% down, but the sum of the reported percentages of the apps is
> only 6.1%. So the other nearly 14% was used by the screen.
>
> "Elementary, dear Watson!"
>
> Bottom line: (Non-blank) Screens use power, silly things! :-)
>

--
Cheers, Bev
Will give investment advice for food.

On 9/8/23 1:57 PM, Wally J wrote:
> Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote
>
>> Battery Dog for Android by Ferenc Hechler
>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sf.andbatdog.batterydog>
>>
>> BatteryBot Battery Indicator by Darshan Computing, LLC
>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.darshancomputing.BatteryIndicator>
>>
>> BetterBatteryStats by Sven Knispel
>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asksven.betterbatterystats>
>
> Drat. I just clicked on the links (to make sure they were still good) and
> it seems that jetcock picked the only viable app out of the three.
>
> The BBS Knispel apps seems to cost money now, and the BatteryDog is like a
> watchdog, but it's not all that user friendly (based on a quick peek).
>
> So the only viable app for TheRealBev to test, seems to be the same one
> that jetcock tested - based on that little bit of information I just
> gleaned from reading the Google Play Store pages.

Giving AccuBattery a try. It wants some full charges before it offers
an opinion about battery health. So far, so good.

--
Cheers, Bev
Will give investment advice for food.

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

> Giving AccuBattery a try. It wants some full charges before it offers
> an opinion about battery health. So far, so good.

Thanks for testing AccuBattery out for the team as it appears likely the
best two tools (so far anyway) are AccuBatttery & BBB (Better Battery Bot).

*Accu​Battery* by Digibites, Contains ads, Contains In-app purchases
Rated 4.7 stars out of 459K reviews with 10M+ Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.digibites.accubattery>

*BatteryBot Battery Indicator* by Darshan Computing (free, adfree, gsfree)
Rated 4.3 stars out of 59.1K reviews with 5M+ Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.darshancomputing.BatteryIndicator>

Please let us know how it works out as we're all part of the same team.

On 9/8/23 10:30 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 9/8/23 1:57 PM, Wally J wrote:
>> Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote
>>
>>> Battery Dog for Android by Ferenc Hechler
>>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sf.andbatdog.batterydog>
>>>
>>> BatteryBot Battery Indicator by Darshan Computing, LLC
>>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.darshancomputing.BatteryIndicator>
>>>
>>> BetterBatteryStats by Sven Knispel
>>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asksven.betterbatterystats>
>>
>> Drat. I just clicked on the links (to make sure they were still good) and
>> it seems that jetcock picked the only viable app out of the three.
>>
>> The BBS Knispel apps seems to cost money now, and the BatteryDog is like a
>> watchdog, but it's not all that user friendly (based on a quick peek).
>>
>> So the only viable app for TheRealBev to test, seems to be the same one
>> that jetcock tested - based on that little bit of information I just
>> gleaned from reading the Google Play Store pages.
>
> Giving AccuBattery a try. It wants some full charges before it offers
> an opinion about battery health. So far, so good.

Since then it's used 3% of the battery while telling me nothing about
what's actually consuming the battery. Deleted.

I give up.

--
Cheers, Bev
"We thought about one of those discount store caskets, but,
frankly, we were worried about the quality."
-- mortuary commercial

On 10/09/2023 07:42, The Real Bev wrote:
> Since then it's used 3% of the battery while telling me nothing about
> what's actually consuming the battery. Deleted.
>
> I give up.

Coming in late here: on my Pixel 6, Android 13, there is Settings => Battery =>
Battery Usage which gives a percentage for each application, sorted by
percentage. I take it you either don't have that or it's not good enough?

--
Cheers,
David
Web: https://www.satsignal.eu

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/8/23 10:50 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The native Android11 one is laughable. I updated 110 of my 230 apps
> >> yesterday -- which took all day. The battery usage monitor claims that
> >> Google Play Store used 2% of the battery during 29 minutes of usage.
> >> Aside from that I took two photos . The battery indicator showed
> >> something like 45%.
> >>
> >> What's wrong with this picture?
> >>
> >> I assume that the internals are doing stuff that uses the battery and
> >> that I can't do anything about it, I just want to KNOW WTF that is.
> >
> > First off, there's no such thing as "native Android [NN]". IIRC, you
> > have some kind of Google Pixel, so you're probably referring to that.
>
> Yup. Pixel2. Small battery. Just wondering what IT is doing that I
> wish it weren't. The percentages given do not add up to 100. Why so
> secretive? What is google afraid we'll find out?

Huh? Didn't you read/understand my (below quoted) comments about the
*screen* using the majority/rest of the battery drain!?

Especially note the 'Bottom line:'.

> > I don't know about yours, but my (Samsung Galaxy A51, Android 13)
> > 'Battery usage' page also has 'Screen on time:' and 'Screen off time:'
> > entries (in addition to the entries for the individual apps).
> >
> > It does *not* say how much battery capacity is used by the screen
> > during the 'Screen on time', but for most 'simple' users, the battery
> > usage by the screen is probably more that the (reported) battery useage
> > from the apps.
> >
> > For example for my phone, the battery went from 85 (upper limit) to
> > 65%, so 20% down, but the sum of the reported percentages of the apps is
> > only 6.1%. So the other nearly 14% was used by the screen.
> >
> > "Elementary, dear Watson!"
> >
> > Bottom line: (Non-blank) Screens use power, silly things! :-)

On 9/10/23 7:19 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/8/23 10:50 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> > The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> The native Android11 one is laughable. I updated 110 of my 230 apps
>> >> yesterday -- which took all day. The battery usage monitor claims that
>> >> Google Play Store used 2% of the battery during 29 minutes of usage.
>> >> Aside from that I took two photos . The battery indicator showed
>> >> something like 45%.
>> >>
>> >> What's wrong with this picture?
>> >>
>> >> I assume that the internals are doing stuff that uses the battery and
>> >> that I can't do anything about it, I just want to KNOW WTF that is.
>> >
>> > First off, there's no such thing as "native Android [NN]". IIRC, you
>> > have some kind of Google Pixel, so you're probably referring to that.
>>
>> Yup. Pixel2. Small battery. Just wondering what IT is doing that I
>> wish it weren't. The percentages given do not add up to 100. Why so
>> secretive? What is google afraid we'll find out?
>
> Huh? Didn't you read/understand my (below quoted) comments about the
> *screen* using the majority/rest of the battery drain!?

The screen is listed and is, of course, the major use. I'm interested
in the UNLISTED usage. Current example:

Screen 17%
Phone idle 10%
Camera 7%
Wifi 3%
Android System 2%
Google play services 1%
Android OS 1%
TOTAL: 41%
BATTERY REMAINING: 37%
Total: 78%

This leaves 22% of the battery drain a mystery. Internal working?
Rounding error? Magic? That's the stuff I want to know about.

I have to assume that the 'native' battery monitor also uses 3% of the
battery, so the apps just add another 3% without providing any
improvement. Is the 'native' battery thing included in 'Android
system' or 'Android OS'? Apparently not, since those are 2% and 1%.

> Especially note the 'Bottom line:'.
>
>> > I don't know about yours, but my (Samsung Galaxy A51, Android 13)
>> > 'Battery usage' page also has 'Screen on time:' and 'Screen off time:'
>> > entries (in addition to the entries for the individual apps).
>> >
>> > It does *not* say how much battery capacity is used by the screen
>> > during the 'Screen on time', but for most 'simple' users, the battery
>> > usage by the screen is probably more that the (reported) battery useage
>> > from the apps.
>> >
>> > For example for my phone, the battery went from 85 (upper limit) to
>> > 65%, so 20% down, but the sum of the reported percentages of the apps is
>> > only 6.1%. So the other nearly 14% was used by the screen.
>> >
>> > "Elementary, dear Watson!"
>> >
>> > Bottom line: (Non-blank) Screens use power, silly things! :-)

--
Cheers, Bev
I'd rather not have neighbors. If I can see them, they're too close.
In fact, if I can see them through a rifle scope, they're too close.
-- Anonymous Coward

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/10/23 7:19 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 9/8/23 10:50 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> > The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> The native Android11 one is laughable. I updated 110 of my 230 apps
> >> >> yesterday -- which took all day. The battery usage monitor claims that
> >> >> Google Play Store used 2% of the battery during 29 minutes of usage.
> >> >> Aside from that I took two photos . The battery indicator showed
> >> >> something like 45%.
> >> >>
> >> >> What's wrong with this picture?
> >> >>
> >> >> I assume that the internals are doing stuff that uses the battery and
> >> >> that I can't do anything about it, I just want to KNOW WTF that is.
> >> >
> >> > First off, there's no such thing as "native Android [NN]". IIRC, you
> >> > have some kind of Google Pixel, so you're probably referring to that.
> >>
> >> Yup. Pixel2. Small battery. Just wondering what IT is doing that I
> >> wish it weren't. The percentages given do not add up to 100. Why so
> >> secretive? What is google afraid we'll find out?
> >
> > Huh? Didn't you read/understand my (below quoted) comments about the
> > *screen* using the majority/rest of the battery drain!?
>
> The screen is listed and is, of course, the major use. I'm interested
> in the UNLISTED usage. Current example:
>
> Screen 17%
> Phone idle 10%
> Camera 7%
> Wifi 3%
> Android System 2%
> Google play services 1%
> Android OS 1%
> TOTAL: 41%
> BATTERY REMAINING: 37%
> Total: 78%
>
> This leaves 22% of the battery drain a mystery. Internal working?
> Rounding error? Magic? That's the stuff I want to know about.

I see. As said, my phone doesn't show the percentage used by the
screen, hence my comments/questions.

But your phone doesn't seem to show the usage for all apps. Strictly
speaking, it lists only one app, Camera.

In your original post you said "Google Play Store used 2%", but in
this post, it mentions "Google play services", not Google Play Store.

On my phone, it lists both Google Play Services and Google Play Store
(even when not updating) and some four normal (non-system) apps, so it's
strange that your list doesn't list any normal apps (except Camera).

> I have to assume that the 'native' battery monitor also uses 3% of the
> battery, so the apps just add another 3% without providing any
> improvement. Is the 'native' battery thing included in 'Android
> system' or 'Android OS'? Apparently not, since those are 2% and 1%.

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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

>> Giving AccuBattery a try. It wants some full charges before it offers
>> an opinion about battery health. So far, so good.
>
> Since then it's used 3% of the battery while telling me nothing about
> what's actually consuming the battery. Deleted.

What happened with *BatteryBot Battery Indicator* by Darshan?
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.darshancomputing.BatteryIndicator>

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

>> Huh? Didn't you read/understand my (below quoted) comments about the
>> *screen* using the majority/rest of the battery drain!?
>
> The screen is listed and is, of course, the major use.

As a somewhat related planning-ahead technical aside, some screens,
apparently, use less power if the background is black versus white.

For my Galaxy A325G screen, I always use a black background, partly for
that reason, and partly because they can fingerprint your screen image.

It's finesse... I know... but all experts evolve into finesse over time.

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

>> Wifi 3%
>
> I see. As said, my phone doesn't show the percentage used by the
> screen, hence my comments/questions.

While the Wi-Fi is only 3% for TheRealBev, in many cases it can be more.
Particularly when on the move where the scanning happens frequently.

Hence another battery-efficiency finesse bit is that there are settings to
reduce the Wi-Fi drain on the battery on my Android 12 (now 13) system.

Settings > Developer options > Wi-Fi scan throttling = on/off
"Saves battery and improves network performance."