On 14/03/2024 21:17, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 14/03/2024 in message <usvndc$1r5i7$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:
>
>>> The question now is why does the Roku box play Mellow Magic cleanly
>>> but the radio doesn't? The Roku connects to the Tenda Mesh system by
>>> WiFi, the radio is plugged into a Tenda module. I wonder if the
>>> module has a problem? The radio only has a wired connection. I could
>>> set up my powerline network and see what that does.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Correct me if I am wrong: Am I right in thinking that your AV reciever
>> has an integrated audio streamer that pulls radio streams off the
>> internet, and that you can use either wi Fi or an ethernet cable for
>> internet connectivity?
>
> An integrate streamer yes, ethernet cable only.
>
>
>> Do you know Exactly what the URL the AV reciever is using for sourcing
>> the Mellow Magic? Try playing that URL on a PC and see what the audio
>> is like?
>
> No, it's a "black box" as far as that sort of information is concerned.
> The firmware is the latest available but hasn't updated for ages.
>
>
>> Can you change the URL the AV reciever uses for Mellow Magic for one
>> that you have listened to on a PC that sounds OK?
>
> No.
>
>
>> Or is it one of those "walled garden" of audio sources that your AV
>> reciever is tied to?
>
> Yes, walled garden.

This is one of the reasons why I like my own personal DNS (Pi hole) and
making *everything* network connected use this DNS instead of your ISP's
provided DNS.

It is then trivial to look at the DNS lookup logs, filter the list for
all DNS requests made by a specific device on my network, and voila, I
have the http(s) URL!

Obviously this falls down if a device makes a connection to a specific
IP address directly as that does not require DNS lookup.

Wireshark put on a Raspberry Pi and plugged into a network port that is
set to mirror the traffic on the port connected to your AV reciever will
soon sort that :-)

>> I have a sony that is tied to the vTuner ecosystem.
>>
>> Sony stopped paying royalties to vTuner so the internet radio section
>> of the sony is deader than a dodo!
>
> That's one of the reasons I prefer a different box for each function in
> theory it's cheaper than replacing one multi function unit.
>
> I suppose I should bring one of my spare machines into service as a
> media streamer. It can have Freeview and satellite dish inputs plus
> streaming and I would have more control over it. Might be an interesting
> project?

Yes, I have PCIe cards that have a Freeview tuner AND a Freesat Tuner on
board in my computers

I've seen PCIe cards that have 8 freeview tuners on board and cards with
8 Freesat tuners on board.

A RTLSDR could be used for FM, DAB and DAB Plus.

That reminds me, is Mellow Magic avaible on Freesat?

You can also get the Silicon Dust Quattro tuner which puts 4 freeview
signals on your home network, and there is the Kathrein EXIP 414 to put
4 freesat signals on the Network.

This saves you having to build and maintain a media server as the
streams are based on Sat>IP and VLC, Kodi, DVBviewer can access them
directly.

On 15/03/2024 in message <ut12j5$26jpe$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

>>I suppose I should bring one of my spare machines into service as a media
>>streamer. It can have Freeview and satellite dish inputs plus streaming
>>and I would have more control over it. Might be an interesting project?
>
>
>Yes, I have PCIe cards that have a Freeview tuner AND a Freesat Tuner on
>board in my computers
>
>I've seen PCIe cards that have 8 freeview tuners on board and cards with 8
>Freesat tuners on board.
>
>A RTLSDR could be used for FM, DAB and DAB Plus.
>
>That reminds me, is Mellow Magic avaible on Freesat?

Magic is but not Mellow Magic, it's the runt of the family!

>You can also get the Silicon Dust Quattro tuner which puts 4 freeview
>signals on your home network, and there is the Kathrein EXIP 414 to put 4
>freesat signals on the Network.

I have dusted off my HP Z230 and installed Universal Media Player!

Is there such a thing as a PCIe card that streams radio? All my searches
are leading me up blind alleys.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Captcha is thinking of stopping the use of pictures with traffic lights as
cyclists don't know what they are.

On 16/03/2024 13:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 15/03/2024 in message <ut12j5$26jpe$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:
>
>>> I suppose I should bring one of my spare machines into service as a
>>> media streamer. It can have Freeview and satellite dish inputs plus
>>> streaming and I would have more control over it. Might be an
>>> interesting  project?
>>
>>
>> Yes, I have PCIe cards that have a Freeview tuner AND a Freesat Tuner
>> on board in my computers
>>
>> I've seen PCIe cards that have 8 freeview tuners on board and cards
>> with 8 Freesat tuners on board.
>>
>> A RTLSDR could be used for FM, DAB and DAB Plus.
>>
>> That reminds me, is Mellow Magic avaible on Freesat?
>
> Magic is but not Mellow Magic, it's the runt of the family!
>
>> You can also get the Silicon Dust Quattro tuner which puts 4 freeview
>> signals on your home network, and there is the Kathrein EXIP 414 to
>> put 4 freesat signals on the Network.
>
> I have dusted off my HP Z230 and installed Universal Media Player!
>
> Is there such a thing as a PCIe card that streams radio? All my searches
> are leading me up blind alleys.
>

From the Man that gave you Ventoy and Bluestacks.... :-)

I give you RTL SDR....

SDR is software defined radio where all the tuning, demodulation etc is
all done in software.

https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/

The RTL-SDR is a USB dongle and there are several versions depending on
the tuner on board.

(DAB radio is 174 MHz to 230 NHz)

The Welle.io software is here:

https://www.welle.io/

https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/RTL-SDR

Be warned, the RTL SDR and associated software is a real tinkerers
paradise and and to get the best out of, don't be surprised if you end
up using Linux.....

https://www.rtl-sdr.com/

https://radio-hobbyist.com/rtl-sdr-install-config/

On 16/03/2024 in message <ut530g$33b19$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

>On 16/03/2024 13:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>On 15/03/2024 in message <ut12j5$26jpe$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:
>>
>>>>I suppose I should bring one of my spare machines into service as a
>>>>media streamer. It can have Freeview and satellite dish inputs plus
>>>>streaming and I would have more control over it. Might be an
>>>>interesting  project?
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, I have PCIe cards that have a Freeview tuner AND a Freesat Tuner on
>>>board in my computers
>>>
>>>I've seen PCIe cards that have 8 freeview tuners on board and cards with
>>>8 Freesat tuners on board.
>>>
>>>A RTLSDR could be used for FM, DAB and DAB Plus.
>>>
>>>That reminds me, is Mellow Magic avaible on Freesat?
>>
>>Magic is but not Mellow Magic, it's the runt of the family!
>>
>>>You can also get the Silicon Dust Quattro tuner which puts 4 freeview
>>>signals on your home network, and there is the Kathrein EXIP 414 to put 4
>>>freesat signals on the Network.
>>
>>I have dusted off my HP Z230 and installed Universal Media Player!
>>
>>Is there such a thing as a PCIe card that streams radio? All my searches
>>are leading me up blind alleys.
>>
>
>
>From the Man that gave you Ventoy and Bluestacks.... :-)
>
>I give you RTL SDR....
>
>SDR is software defined radio where all the tuning, demodulation etc is
>all done in software.
>
>https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/
>
>The RTL-SDR is a USB dongle and there are several versions depending on
>the tuner on board.
>
>(DAB radio is 174 MHz to 230 NHz)
>
>The Welle.io software is here:
>
>https://www.welle.io/
>
>https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/RTL-SDR
>
>Be warned, the RTL SDR and associated software is a real tinkerers
>paradise and and to get the best out of, don't be surprised if you end up
>using Linux.....
>
>https://www.rtl-sdr.com/
>
>https://radio-hobbyist.com/rtl-sdr-install-config/

Thanks again :-)

Will look in detail tomorrow.

Some discoveries today:

My Yamaha AV receiver does WiFi and the reception of Mellow Magic is
excellent. One more test tomorrow - a different Ethernet cable before I
make a final decision.

Going back to your input re codecs I have set up JellyFin, Universal Media
Player and Plex and tested them today by streaming to my Roku. The
picture quality for JellyFin and Universal Media Server is noticeably
better than Plex which, presumably, reflects the codecs they use?

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Those are my principles – and if you don’t like them, well, I have
others.
(Groucho Marx)

On 16/03/2024 in message <xn0ojekzp5i1r1z00e@news.individual.net> Jeff
Gaines wrote:

>>From the Man that gave you Ventoy and Bluestacks.... :-)
>>
>>I give you RTL SDR....
>>
>>SDR is software defined radio where all the tuning, demodulation etc is
>>all done in software.
>>
>>https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/
>>
>>The RTL-SDR is a USB dongle and there are several versions depending on
>>the tuner on board.

Mellow Magic was back to burbling occasionally with the AV Receiver
connected by Ethernet cable, really weird.

Is there an Internet radio version of the RTL SDR? Ideally I would like a
Roku on a PCIe card so I can pick up Internet radio then something to
stream it to my home network via DLNA.

How old is welle-io? I had a crude DAB radio from Creative Labs many moons
ago that needed software to decode it and the name sounds familiar.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Are you confused about gender?
Try milking a bull, you'll learn real quick.

On 17/03/2024 15:13, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 16/03/2024 in message <xn0ojekzp5i1r1z00e@news.individual.net> Jeff
> Gaines wrote:
>
>>> From the Man that gave you Ventoy and Bluestacks.... :-)
>>>
>>> I give you RTL SDR....
>>>
>>> SDR is software defined radio where all the tuning, demodulation etc
>>> is all done in software.
>>>
>>> https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/
>>>
>>> The RTL-SDR is a USB dongle and there are several versions depending
>>> on the tuner on board.
>
> Mellow Magic was back to burbling occasionally with the AV Receiver
> connected by Ethernet cable, really weird.
>
> Is there an Internet radio version of the RTL SDR? Ideally I would like
> a Roku on a PCIe card so I can pick up Internet radio then something to
> stream it to my home network via DLNA.
>
> How old is welle-io? I had a crude DAB radio from Creative Labs many
> moons ago that needed software to decode it and the name sounds familiar.
>
When you say burbling. does it sound like bubbling or boiling mud?

That is a sympton of marginal DAB+ signal reception, i.e the signal
quality has gone down too low even when there is enough signal strength.

So two possibilities.....

the walled garden that you get your Mellow Magic from is feeding from a
DAB+ tuner with marginal signal quality in which case a complaint to the
walled garden provider or via the AV amp manufacturer?

Or the AV reciever is giving you Mellow Magic from the DAB/DAB+ section
than from the walled garden of radio stations?

On 16/03/2024 22:38, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 16/03/2024 in message <ut530g$33b19$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:
>
>> On 16/03/2024 13:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 15/03/2024 in message <ut12j5$26jpe$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I suppose I should bring one of my spare machines into service as a
>>>>> media streamer. It can have Freeview and satellite dish inputs plus
>>>>> streaming and I would have more control over it. Might be an
>>>>> interesting  project?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I have PCIe cards that have a Freeview tuner AND a Freesat
>>>> Tuner  on board in my computers
>>>>
>>>> I've seen PCIe cards that have 8 freeview tuners on board and cards
>>>> with 8 Freesat tuners on board.
>>>>
>>>> A RTLSDR could be used for FM, DAB and DAB Plus.
>>>>
>>>> That reminds me, is Mellow Magic avaible on Freesat?
>>>
>>> Magic is but not Mellow Magic, it's the runt of the family!
>>>
>>>> You can also get the Silicon Dust Quattro tuner which puts 4
>>>> freeview signals on your home network, and there is the Kathrein
>>>> EXIP 414 to  put 4 freesat signals on the Network.
>>>
>>> I have dusted off my HP Z230 and installed Universal Media Player!
>>>
>>> Is there such a thing as a PCIe card that streams radio? All my
>>> searches are leading me up blind alleys.
>>>
>>
>>
>> From the Man that gave you Ventoy and Bluestacks.... :-)
>>
>> I give you RTL SDR....
>>
>> SDR is software defined radio where all the tuning, demodulation etc
>> is all done in software.
>>
>> https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/
>>
>> The RTL-SDR is a USB dongle and there are several versions depending
>> on the tuner on board.
>>
>> (DAB radio is 174 MHz to 230 NHz)
>>
>> The Welle.io software is here:
>>
>> https://www.welle.io/
>>
>> https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/RTL-SDR
>>
>> Be warned, the RTL SDR and associated software is a real tinkerers
>> paradise and and to get the best out of, don't be surprised if you end
>> up using Linux.....
>>
>> https://www.rtl-sdr.com/
>>
>> https://radio-hobbyist.com/rtl-sdr-install-config/
>
> Thanks again :-)
>
> Will look in detail tomorrow.
>
> Some discoveries today:
>
> My Yamaha AV receiver does WiFi and the reception of Mellow Magic is
> excellent. One more test tomorrow - a different Ethernet cable before I
> make a final decision.

If there was a defective ethernet cable, you'd expect other internet
streams to be affected at the same time as bad mellow Magic?

> Going back to your input re codecs I have set up JellyFin, Universal
> Media Player and Plex  and tested them today by streaming to my Roku.

Its not just codecs,

It also depends on home network bandwidth and where the source media is
coming from in the case of internet streams.

If its your own personal media, then there could be some on the fly
transcoding going on such as AVI to MPG or to MP4 etc.

It all depends on what formats the server supports and serves up and
what formats your client players can work with and whether your source
media needs transcoding if its not a supported format.

Transcoding will imtroduce artefacts...

Its better to have a server AND client that can natively support all
formats your audio and video is in.

If transcoding is unavoidable, then it is better to upcode to a better
qaulity format than to downcode to a poorer quality format.....

There are tools out there that can batch transcode your video and audio
library as this will reduce the server or client load if it has to do on
the fly transcoding.

S.

> The picture quality for JellyFin and Universal Media Server is
> noticeably better than Plex which, presumably, reflects the codecs they
> use?
>

On 17/03/2024 in message <ut7g3a$3m6ed$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

>When you say burbling. does it sound like bubbling or boiling mud?
>
>That is a sympton of marginal DAB+ signal reception, i.e the signal
>quality has gone down too low even when there is enough signal strength.

I haven't heard boiling mud, are they a 60's band?

I have put an enquiry in with Yamaha, be interesting to see if they have
any ideas.

The Roku receives it fine but is very difficult to control with my Harmony
Hub. It is limited to up, down, left, right, home & enter pretty well. The
problem is it doesn't start with the same screen twice :-(

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
I've been through the desert on a horse with no name.
It was a right bugger to get him back when he ran off.

On 18/03/2024 12:50, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 17/03/2024 in message <ut7g3a$3m6ed$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:
>
>> When you say burbling. does it sound like bubbling or boiling mud?
>>
>> That is a sympton of marginal DAB+ signal reception, i.e the signal
>> quality has gone down too low even when there is enough signal strength.
>
> I haven't heard boiling mud, are they a 60's band?
>
> I have put an enquiry in with Yamaha, be interesting to see if they have
> any ideas.
>
> The Roku receives it fine but is very difficult to control with my
> Harmony Hub. It is limited to up, down, left, right, home & enter pretty
> well. The problem is it doesn't start with the same screen twice :-(
>

LOL, not a 60's band, its the sound the DAB radio makes when reception
is poor quality.....

On 18/03/2024 18:33, SH wrote:
> On 18/03/2024 12:50, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> On 17/03/2024 in message <ut7g3a$3m6ed$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:
>>
>>> When you say burbling. does it sound like bubbling or boiling mud?
>>>
>>> That is a sympton of marginal DAB+ signal reception, i.e the signal
>>> quality has gone down too low even when there is enough signal strength.
>>
>> I haven't heard boiling mud, are they a 60's band?
>>
>> I have put an enquiry in with Yamaha, be interesting to see if they
>> have any ideas.
>>
>> The Roku receives it fine but is very difficult to control with my
>> Harmony Hub. It is limited to up, down, left, right, home & enter
>> pretty well. The problem is it doesn't start with the same screen
>> twice :-(
>>
>
>
> LOL, not a 60's band, its the sound the DAB radio makes when reception
> is poor quality.....
>
>

P.S. it would not surprise me if the walled garden that is providing
radio streams to your yamaha has a bank of DAB tuners with digital audio
outputs which are then fed into a media server.... so when the reception
is marginal, the DAB tuner then boils mud and that gets fed to the media
server......

On 16/03/2024 22:38, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 16/03/2024 in message <ut530g$33b19$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:
>
>> On 16/03/2024 13:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 15/03/2024 in message <ut12j5$26jpe$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I suppose I should bring one of my spare machines into service as a
>>>>> media streamer. It can have Freeview and satellite dish inputs plus
>>>>> streaming and I would have more control over it. Might be an
>>>>> interesting  project?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I have PCIe cards that have a Freeview tuner AND a Freesat
>>>> Tuner  on board in my computers
>>>>
>>>> I've seen PCIe cards that have 8 freeview tuners on board and cards
>>>> with 8 Freesat tuners on board.
>>>>
>>>> A RTLSDR could be used for FM, DAB and DAB Plus.
>>>>
>>>> That reminds me, is Mellow Magic avaible on Freesat?
>>>
>>> Magic is but not Mellow Magic, it's the runt of the family!
>>>
>>>> You can also get the Silicon Dust Quattro tuner which puts 4
>>>> freeview signals on your home network, and there is the Kathrein
>>>> EXIP 414 to  put 4 freesat signals on the Network.
>>>
>>> I have dusted off my HP Z230 and installed Universal Media Player!
>>>
>>> Is there such a thing as a PCIe card that streams radio? All my
>>> searches are leading me up blind alleys.
>>>
>>
>>
>> From the Man that gave you Ventoy and Bluestacks.... :-)
>>
>> I give you RTL SDR....
>>
>> SDR is software defined radio where all the tuning, demodulation etc
>> is all done in software.
>>
>> https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/
>>
>> The RTL-SDR is a USB dongle and there are several versions depending
>> on the tuner on board.
>>
>> (DAB radio is 174 MHz to 230 NHz)
>>
>> The Welle.io software is here:
>>
>> https://www.welle.io/
>>
>> https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/RTL-SDR
>>
>> Be warned, the RTL SDR and associated software is a real tinkerers
>> paradise and and to get the best out of, don't be surprised if you end
>> up using Linux.....
>>
>> https://www.rtl-sdr.com/
>>
>> https://radio-hobbyist.com/rtl-sdr-install-config/
>
> Thanks again :-)
>
> Will look in detail tomorrow.
>
> Some discoveries today:
>
> My Yamaha AV receiver does WiFi and the reception of Mellow Magic is
> excellent. One more test tomorrow - a different Ethernet cable before I
> make a final decision.
>
> Going back to your input re codecs I have set up JellyFin, Universal
> Media Player and Plex  and tested them today by streaming to my Roku.
> The picture quality for JellyFin and Universal Media Server is
> noticeably better than Plex which, presumably, reflects the codecs they
> use?
>

finally found a PCIe DAB+ tuner....

https://www.audioscience.com/internet/products/tuner_cards/asi8821.htm

They are professional grade used by companies to monitor their radio
transmissions, this card can have up to 8 DAB+ audio signals....

As its a niche end use, expect these to cost arm and a leg.... :-)

Then you've got to work out how to stream the 8 DAB+ stations over the
home network as RTSP streams. :-)

On 16/03/2024 22:38, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 16/03/2024 in message <ut530g$33b19$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:
>
>> On 16/03/2024 13:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 15/03/2024 in message <ut12j5$26jpe$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I suppose I should bring one of my spare machines into service as a
>>>>> media streamer. It can have Freeview and satellite dish inputs plus
>>>>> streaming and I would have more control over it. Might be an
>>>>> interesting  project?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I have PCIe cards that have a Freeview tuner AND a Freesat
>>>> Tuner  on board in my computers
>>>>
>>>> I've seen PCIe cards that have 8 freeview tuners on board and cards
>>>> with 8 Freesat tuners on board.
>>>>
>>>> A RTLSDR could be used for FM, DAB and DAB Plus.
>>>>
>>>> That reminds me, is Mellow Magic avaible on Freesat?
>>>
>>> Magic is but not Mellow Magic, it's the runt of the family!
>>>
>>>> You can also get the Silicon Dust Quattro tuner which puts 4
>>>> freeview signals on your home network, and there is the Kathrein
>>>> EXIP 414 to  put 4 freesat signals on the Network.
>>>
>>> I have dusted off my HP Z230 and installed Universal Media Player!
>>>
>>> Is there such a thing as a PCIe card that streams radio? All my
>>> searches are leading me up blind alleys.
>>>
>>
>>
>> From the Man that gave you Ventoy and Bluestacks.... :-)
>>
>> I give you RTL SDR....
>>
>> SDR is software defined radio where all the tuning, demodulation etc
>> is all done in software.
>>
>> https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/
>>
>> The RTL-SDR is a USB dongle and there are several versions depending
>> on the tuner on board.
>>
>> (DAB radio is 174 MHz to 230 NHz)
>>
>> The Welle.io software is here:
>>
>> https://www.welle.io/
>>
>> https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/RTL-SDR
>>
>> Be warned, the RTL SDR and associated software is a real tinkerers
>> paradise and and to get the best out of, don't be surprised if you end
>> up using Linux.....
>>
>> https://www.rtl-sdr.com/
>>
>> https://radio-hobbyist.com/rtl-sdr-install-config/
>
> Thanks again :-)
>
> Will look in detail tomorrow.
>
> Some discoveries today:
>
> My Yamaha AV receiver does WiFi and the reception of Mellow Magic is
> excellent. One more test tomorrow - a different Ethernet cable before I
> make a final decision.
>
> Going back to your input re codecs I have set up JellyFin, Universal
> Media Player and Plex  and tested them today by streaming to my Roku.
> The picture quality for JellyFin and Universal Media Server is
> noticeably better than Plex which, presumably, reflects the codecs they
> use?
>

Oh and this one:

https://www.sonifex.co.uk/radiocards/pc-dab1-4.shtml

On 18/03/2024 in message <utad4g$cjuh$2@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

>Oh and this one:
>
>https://www.sonifex.co.uk/radiocards/pc-dab1-4.shtml

I don't have an aerial so was hoping for something like that which would
stream Internet radio.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Are you confused about gender?
Try milking a bull, you'll learn real quick.