On 9/21/23 11:32, sms wrote:
> On 9/21/2023 9:53 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 9/21/23 09:44, sms wrote:
>>> On 9/20/2023 10:59 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 9/20/23 4:01 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yep, here he is again pretending to give advice that was given 3 hours
>>>>> earlier.
>>>>
>>>> You think that's bad, try signing up with Nextdoor for a while.
>>>> Apparently some people regard it as a write-only medium.  The site
>>>> itself is incompetent, frequently not publishing posts for days.
>>>>   Whatever problems usenet has, it's so far ahead of everything else
>>>> that there's no point in even thinking about what's #2.
>>>
>>> Facebook was supposed to be launching a feature that was kind of like
>>> Nextdoor, called "Neighborhoods."
>>>
>>> Nextdoor is a clusterf$%k, hopelessly awful design. Since they don't
>>> get much advertising they endlessly repeat the same ads. They kick
>>> people off if they disagree with their posts.
>>>
>>
>> That sounds like Facebook.
>
> Facebook is not nearly as bad.
>
> Nextdoor Redux
> 1. What is this bug?
> 2. Why is there a helicopter circling?
> 3. My cat ran away but came home.
> 4. My catalytic converter was stolen.
> 5. My neighbor put garbage into my bin. Is that legal?
> 6. How much should I pay for house cleaning?
> 7. Speeding ice cream truck in my neighborhood.
> 8. I just saw a coyote.
> 9. I saw a lot of police cars, what's going on?
> 10. My car got broken into.
> 11. My drain is clogged.
> 12. Suspicious person caught on my Ring camera.
> 13. My Amazon package was stolen.
> 14. I got a 1600 on my SATs, I got a 5 on 27 different AP tests, I won
> six national science competitions, I’m home for the summer from ______
> Ivy League university, and I’m available for tutoring.
> 15. My neighbor is wasting water.
> 16. Someone stole fruit from my tree.
> 17. Someone is parking in front of my house.
> 18. Someone cut me off in traffic.
> 19. Did anyone feel the earthquake?
> 20. How much should a house cleaner cost?
> 21. What was that big boom sound?
>

ADHD thoughts
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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> Because Android people are smarter than iPhone people and I don't read
> the iPhone group...
>
> Daughter's newest iPhone is frequently wrong when it gives her location
> to google maps. In theory she's been in Moab for 18 hours now, and I
> know she's on a tour bus elsewhere and she just emailed me a photo.
> Stuff like this is frequent.

What do you mean by 'gives her location to google maps'? You mean when the
app is open it puts the pin in the wrong place? Or some kind of feature
where it records her location and sends it to you?

If the latter, if the app doesn't have location access set to 'always',
it'll only get the correct location when the app is open on the screen. The
app running in the background may still think it is whereever it was when
the app was last foregrounded.

Lack of 'precise location' would mean the location is approximate but I
don't know how coarse it is. I just did a test with Apple Maps and it gave
about a 5 mile radius which did include my correct location.

> Is this a generic iPhone thing or is there something wrong with her
> particular phone?

I suppose it could be that GPS is broken and it's relying on wifi hotspots.
But that seems unlikely.

Theo

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

> Because Android people are smarter than iPhone people and I don't read
> the iPhone group...

Hi The Real Bev,
As Vanguard had suggested, all you need to do is add this newsgroup:
misc.phone.mobile.iphone

BTW, I'm always on all the common consumer operating system newsgroups.
What's _different_ about the iPhone newsgroup is that they're zealots.

On any other operating system newsgroup, the concentration of zealots is
not 90% wacko liars to 10% normal. Only on the Apple newsgroups is it.

> Daughter's newest iPhone is frequently wrong when it gives her location
> to google maps. In theory she's been in Moab for 18 hours now, and I
> know she's on a tour bus elsewhere and she just emailed me a photo.
> Stuff like this is frequent.
>
> Is this a generic iPhone thing or is there something wrong with her
> particular phone?

I'll let the iPhone owners help you with that question where they can find
out what has already been said to help you on this issue clicking here...
*iPhone Question*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/i3GYnAsMt0M>

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote

> I don't have any Apple products, so no iPhones, either. In Android, I
> use MobiaWIA's GPS Status & Toolbox (paid $2.14 for the Pro version) app
> which lets me clear the GPS tables (Manage A-GPS state) to reset and get
> new data. The options under there are:

For the advantage of the Android owners on this newsgroup, I suggest.
*SatStat* FOSS (free, ad free, gsf free)
<https://gitlab.com/mvglasow/satstat>
<https://f-droid.org/packages/com.vonglasow.michael.satstat/>

Vanguard and I have had this discussion in gory detail where the summary is
I strongly suspect the app he recommends simply copied the FOSS code based
on the similarities of the two apps is astoundingly close page by page.

In other words, my suggestion is you reward the original developer.
Not the copycat.
--
Note: I have no proof of the copycat action - so compare the apps yourself.

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote
>
>> I don't have any Apple products, so no iPhones, either. In Android, I
>> use MobiaWIA's GPS Status & Toolbox (paid $2.14 for the Pro version) app
>> which lets me clear the GPS tables (Manage A-GPS state) to reset and get
>> new data. The options under there are:
>
> For the advantage of the Android owners on this newsgroup, I suggest.
> *SatStat* FOSS (free, ad free, gsf free)
> <https://gitlab.com/mvglasow/satstat>
> <https://f-droid.org/packages/com.vonglasow.michael.satstat/>
>
> Vanguard and I have had this discussion in gory detail where the summary is
> I strongly suspect the app he recommends simply copied the FOSS code based
> on the similarities of the two apps is astoundingly close page by page.
>
> In other words, my suggestion is you reward the original developer.
> Not the copycat.

The only discussion where I remember discussing Network Cellular Info
(NCI), not GPS Status mentioned here, where Erholt Rhein tried to claim
NCI purloined code from Cellular-Z (CZ) was in:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/0gQmj3dQWTc/m/CmDHqqEPBgAJ

I proved that NCI did *not* copy CZ's code as it was impossible
considering NCI came out 2 years before any dev started on CZ. CZ was a
wet dream when NCI was already out. The argument was CZ was free (no
payware version), I should've picked CZ, but that was an impossibility
since CZ didn't exist until 2 years after I was looking for this type of
app. Oh yes, I must use what doesn't yet exist, and what I'm using must
surely be purloined code of an app that didn't exist until 2 years
later.

That you mention NCI stole code from SatStat sure smacks of Erholt's
similar but unfounded (and proved wrong) claim about NCI stealing code
for the CZ app. Are you Erholt under the Wally J nym? Else, please
give a reference to that discussion we had were you claim NCI stole code
from SatStat.

Now you're trying to perpetrate the unfounded claim that NCI stole code
from SatStat. Yawn, same FUD crap Erholt tried to spew. How many other
apps that show satellite info are you going to claim stole code? Seems
every app that isn't your choice must be the one everyone else is
stealing code from.

On 9/21/23 1:50 PM, Theo wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Because Android people are smarter than iPhone people and I don't read
>> the iPhone group...
>>
>> Daughter's newest iPhone is frequently wrong when it gives her location
>> to google maps. In theory she's been in Moab for 18 hours now, and I
>> know she's on a tour bus elsewhere and she just emailed me a photo.
>> Stuff like this is frequent.
>
> What do you mean by 'gives her location to google maps'? You mean when the
> app is open it puts the pin in the wrong place? Or some kind of feature
> where it records her location and sends it to you?

Her icon on google maps is in a place she was and is labeled something
like "23 Hours ago". Presumably that was the last time she used google
maps AND had wifi/data access.

> If the latter, if the app doesn't have location access set to 'always',
> it'll only get the correct location when the app is open on the screen. The
> app running in the background may still think it is whereever it was when
> the app was last foregrounded.
>
> Lack of 'precise location' would mean the location is approximate but I
> don't know how coarse it is. I just did a test with Apple Maps and it gave
> about a 5 mile radius which did include my correct location.
>
>> Is this a generic iPhone thing or is there something wrong with her
>> particular phone?
>
> I suppose it could be that GPS is broken and it's relying on wifi hotspots.
> But that seems unlikely.

Nope, just the setting.

--
Cheers, Bev
"I don't trust carry-out food. When you find hair in my cooking
you don't hafta worry about where it came from!" -- Dinette Set

On 9/20/23 10:15 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 21.09.23 um 05:56 schrieb The Real Bev:
>> I think the Always/Only When Using dichotomy is the problem. The
>> difference might be hundreds or even thousands of miles since she last
>> used Maps and she generally doesn't need to know where she is -- that's
>> the bus driver's job unless he's lost, which has happened. If she can
>> send me a photo surely she should also have location services at that
>> exact time and place, and google maps would update.
>
> No it isn't. If the location service is activated the phone is tracking
> the exact point on this planet permanently. "only When Using" means only
> that Google Maps has only access to location data when open. Not more
> and not less.

Yup.

Is cell access necessary, or is wifi sufficient all by itself?
... OK, I answered my own question by logging in to a different account
with which I'm sharing my location and there I am! Wifi, but airplane
mode for cell service.

This is a surprise: If I turn on cell service and turn off wifi, google
maps doesn't update my location. Keepgo claims to use both T-Mobile and
AT&T, and I have 5 bars outside my house...

--
Cheers, Bev
"I don't trust carry-out food. When you find hair in my cooking
you don't hafta worry about where it came from!" -- Dinette Set

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote

> The only discussion where I remember discussing Network Cellular Info
> (NCI), not GPS Status mentioned here,

Oh yeah. My mistake. I've read EVERY SINGLE POST in this Andriod newsgroup
for a decade or whatever - so I mix 'em up sometimes. You are correct.

I was wrong.

> I proved that NCI did *not* copy CZ's code as it was impossible
> considering NCI came out 2 years before any dev started on CZ.

Yup. You are right. I'm wrong. I'm never afraid to admit a mistake.

> Now you're trying to perpetrate the unfounded claim that NCI stole code
> from SatStat.

You're getting too defensive about a simple observation, Vanguard.
I know you try to be helpful - so do I.

You recommend payware apps.
I recommend freeware equivalents.

Chill out.

> How many other
> apps that show satellite info are you going to claim stole code? Seems
> every app that isn't your choice must be the one everyone else is
> stealing code from.

Chill out.

I recommend free apps. You recommend payware.
Same functionality in both cases.

I get it that you want to reward developers.
Trust me - I reward them too - as I test their code for them. A lot.
Just look at my links in the XDA site and you see I test their code a lot.

As for rewarding developers, I just told moments ago the developer of the
App Finder that he should put a donation link into his app code.
http://skyica.com

It's my opinion that the instant you buy an app off the Google Play Store,
you not only give 30% (or whatever) of the cut to Google and not to the
developer, but just the process of buying stuff on a phone makes it
radioactive.

My phone is not radioactive. Yours is.

If I lose my phone, I lose nothing in terms of my privacy.
You have to guard your radioactive phone forever from the loss of privacy.

You need all sorts of protections on your phone BECAUSE it's radioactive.
I don't.

I don't even have a PIN.
I don't live in a slum. And my phone isn't radioactive (that's why).

In summary, you get too emotional about a difference in philosophy.
a. You buy stuff - I prefer to reward developers by testing their code.
b. Your phone is radioactive so you have to protect it forever.
c. My phone isn't radioactive - I can lose it and I only lose a phone.

Different people do different things.
But both of us are caring people who want others to have good answers.

That's how we're similar (even as we're completely different).

On 9/21/23 2:54 AM, Chris in Makati wrote:

> But the point you're missing is that Bev is using Google Maps to track
> her daughter's location remotely, presumably using the "Location
> Sharing" function in Google. If the Location Services setting for the
> Google Maps app is set to "When Using", Google Maps will only update
> the location to Google when the app is being used. If it's set to
> "Always" the app will update the location to Google continuously even
> if the app itself is closed. That's why it needs to be set to
> "Always".
>
>>RealBev's daughter should also make sure that the location service is
>>activated in the first place and the location is set to "Precise Location".
>
> Correct. She needs to check that setting as well.

Done and done.

As I mentioned in a post a few moments ago, google maps updates from
wifi, but not from cellular. Is this the general rule or something
specific to the cheap Keepgo SIM? I find it surprising that wifi would
be available in places where cell service is nonexistent. Capitol Reef
UT area, for instance.

--
Cheers, Bev
I bought a tape called "Subliminal Advertising"
The next day I bought 47 more.

On 9/21/23 7:44 AM, sms wrote:
> On 9/20/2023 10:59 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 9/20/23 4:01 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, here he is again pretending to give advice that was given 3 hours
>>> earlier.
>>
>> You think that's bad, try signing up with Nextdoor for a while.
>> Apparently some people regard it as a write-only medium.  The site
>> itself is incompetent, frequently not publishing posts for days.
>>  Whatever problems usenet has, it's so far ahead of everything else
>> that there's no point in even thinking about what's #2.
>
> Facebook was supposed to be launching a feature that was kind of like
> Nextdoor, called "Neighborhoods."
>
> Nextdoor is a clusterf$%k, hopelessly awful design. Since they don't get
> much advertising they endlessly repeat the same ads. They kick people
> off if they disagree with their posts.

Adblock Plus eliminates the ads -- I just see the constant blurbs for ND
itself on the right side of the page, but that's become invisible now.

I've been banned three times so far. It's not so much disagreement, but
butthurtness that causes people to complain about other posters. The
interface is SOOOO much worse than Facebook's, and I wouldn't have
thought that was possible. I could forgive almost anything if their
threading actually worked and if the 'notifications' made the noted post
obvious when you click the notification.

The worst part is realizing how dumb people are. Apparently you don't
have to figure out ANYTHING to join, which says a lot.

--
Cheers, Bev
I bought a tape called "Subliminal Advertising"
The next day I bought 47 more.

On 9/21/23 9:32 AM, sms wrote:
> On 9/21/2023 9:53 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 9/21/23 09:44, sms wrote:
>>> On 9/20/2023 10:59 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 9/20/23 4:01 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yep, here he is again pretending to give advice that was given 3 hours
>>>>> earlier.
>>>>
>>>> You think that's bad, try signing up with Nextdoor for a while.
>>>> Apparently some people regard it as a write-only medium.  The site
>>>> itself is incompetent, frequently not publishing posts for days.
>>>>   Whatever problems usenet has, it's so far ahead of everything else
>>>> that there's no point in even thinking about what's #2.
>>>
>>> Facebook was supposed to be launching a feature that was kind of like
>>> Nextdoor, called "Neighborhoods."
>>>
>>> Nextdoor is a clusterf$%k, hopelessly awful design. Since they don't
>>> get much advertising they endlessly repeat the same ads. They kick
>>> people off if they disagree with their posts.
>>>
>>
>> That sounds like Facebook.
>
> Facebook is not nearly as bad.

FB is definitely better. More configurable, for one thing -- especially
if you use Social Fixer.

> Nextdoor Redux
> 1. What is this bug?
> 2. Why is there a helicopter circling?
> 3. My cat ran away but came home.
> 4. My catalytic converter was stolen.
> 5. My neighbor put garbage into my bin. Is that legal?
> 6. How much should I pay for house cleaning?
> 7. Speeding ice cream truck in my neighborhood.
> 8. I just saw a coyote.
> 9. I saw a lot of police cars, what's going on?
> 10. My car got broken into.
> 11. My drain is clogged.
> 12. Suspicious person caught on my Ring camera.
> 13. My Amazon package was stolen.
> 14. I got a 1600 on my SATs, I got a 5 on 27 different AP tests, I won
> six national science competitions, I’m home for the summer from ______
> Ivy League university, and I’m available for tutoring.
> 15. My neighbor is wasting water.
> 16. Someone stole fruit from my tree.
> 17. Someone is parking in front of my house.
> 18. Someone cut me off in traffic.
> 19. Did anyone feel the earthquake?
> 20. How much should a house cleaner cost?
> 21. What was that big boom sound?

You just be local to me. The coyote thing is a long-standing wrangle
between the people who feed them and the people who want to kill them
and everyone in between. PLUS we have bears!

You missed complaints about the homeless. I mentioned the recent
addition of useless Metro Ambassadors (they carry radios!) traveling in
a group and observing the 3 sleeping homeless men and got
congratulations from ND because over 5K people read my post; it's
generated hundreds of posts, mostly arguing.

--
Cheers, Bev
I bought a tape called "Subliminal Advertising"
The next day I bought 47 more.

On 21 Sep 2023 20:43:14 -0700 The Real Bev wrote:
>On 9/21/23 1:50 PM, Theo wrote:
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Because Android people are smarter than iPhone people and I don't read
>>> the iPhone group...
>>>
>>> Daughter's newest iPhone is frequently wrong when it gives her location
>>> to google maps. In theory she's been in Moab for 18 hours now, and I
>>> know she's on a tour bus elsewhere and she just emailed me a photo.
>>> Stuff like this is frequent.
>>
>> What do you mean by 'gives her location to google maps'? You mean when the
>> app is open it puts the pin in the wrong place? Or some kind of feature
>> where it records her location and sends it to you?
>
>Her icon on google maps is in a place she was and is labeled something
>like "23 Hours ago". Presumably that was the last time she used google
>maps AND had wifi/data access.

I would have thought an iphone should be able to find its location with
just gps, but might take many minutes to do it. That delay is called the
'time to fix' and depends on the number of satellites it can see (so not
inside a bus - hold it against a window on the equator-facing side) and,
and also how long it is and how far it is from the last fix. My last phone
(which was a cheap Indian Sailfish one) could take 20 minutes - which is
actually why I started using an iPhone (4s) which had a much better gps
and could do it in 5 minutes. (If iphones can no longer do that I'll stop
using them. I only use old ones I've given.)

As to the original question, I've lost the plot. Is Chris right - you're
tracking your daughter using google maps' location sharing? What's the
relevance of the photo?

>
>> If the latter, if the app doesn't have location access set to 'always',
>> it'll only get the correct location when the app is open on the screen. The
>> app running in the background may still think it is whereever it was when
>> the app was last foregrounded.
>>
>> Lack of 'precise location' would mean the location is approximate but I
>> don't know how coarse it is. I just did a test with Apple Maps and it gave
>> about a 5 mile radius which did include my correct location.
>>
>>> Is this a generic iPhone thing or is there something wrong with her
>>> particular phone?
>>
>> I suppose it could be that GPS is broken and it's relying on wifi hotspots.
>> But that seems unlikely.
>
>Nope, just the setting.
>
>

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Am 22.09.23 um 09:03 schrieb Dave Royal:
> I would have thought an iphone should be able to find its location with
> just gps,

My experience confirms this. And it is also valid for Android/Pixel.

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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/21/23 2:54 AM, Chris in Makati wrote:
>
>> But the point you're missing is that Bev is using Google Maps to track
>> her daughter's location remotely, presumably using the "Location
>> Sharing" function in Google. If the Location Services setting for the
>> Google Maps app is set to "When Using", Google Maps will only update
>> the location to Google when the app is being used. If it's set to
>> "Always" the app will update the location to Google continuously even
>> if the app itself is closed. That's why it needs to be set to
>> "Always".
>>
>>> RealBev's daughter should also make sure that the location service is
>>> activated in the first place and the location is set to "Precise Location".
>>
>> Correct. She needs to check that setting as well.
>
> Done and done.
>
> As I mentioned in a post a few moments ago, google maps updates from
> wifi, but not from cellular. Is this the general rule or something
> specific to the cheap Keepgo SIM?

Not a general rule, but a setting. Mobile/cellular data use can be toggled
universally or per-app. Your daughter has probably disabled cellular use
for google maps.

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote
>
>> I don't have any Apple products, so no iPhones, either. In Android, I
>> use MobiaWIA's GPS Status & Toolbox (paid $2.14 for the Pro version) app
>> which lets me clear the GPS tables (Manage A-GPS state) to reset and get
>> new data. The options under there are:
>
> For the advantage of the Android owners on this newsgroup, I suggest.
> *SatStat* FOSS (free, ad free, gsf free)
> <https://gitlab.com/mvglasow/satstat>
> <https://f-droid.org/packages/com.vonglasow.michael.satstat/>
>
> Vanguard and I have had this discussion in gory detail where the summary is
> I strongly suspect the app he recommends simply copied the FOSS code based
> on the similarities of the two apps is astoundingly close page by page.
>
> In other words, my suggestion is you reward the original developer.
> Not the copycat

You clearly don't understand how FOSS works. It encourages sharing of code,
by design. It's clearly described in all FOSS licenses.

On 9/21/23 23:08, The Real Bev wrote:
> As I mentioned in a post a few moments ago, google maps updates from
> wifi, but not from cellular.  Is this the general rule or something
> specific to the cheap Keepgo SIM?  I find it surprising that wifi would
> be available in places where cell service is nonexistent.  Capitol Reef
> UT area, for instance.
>

I think it's because they're trying to save cell service.
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On 9/22/23 12:03 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
> On 21 Sep 2023 20:43:14 -0700 The Real Bev wrote:
>>On 9/21/23 1:50 PM, Theo wrote:
>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Because Android people are smarter than iPhone people and I don't read
>>>> the iPhone group...
>>>>
>>>> Daughter's newest iPhone is frequently wrong when it gives her location
>>>> to google maps. In theory she's been in Moab for 18 hours now, and I
>>>> know she's on a tour bus elsewhere and she just emailed me a photo.
>>>> Stuff like this is frequent.
>>>
>>> What do you mean by 'gives her location to google maps'? You mean when the
>>> app is open it puts the pin in the wrong place? Or some kind of feature
>>> where it records her location and sends it to you?
>>
>>Her icon on google maps is in a place she was and is labeled something
>>like "23 Hours ago". Presumably that was the last time she used google
>>maps AND had wifi/data access.
>
> I would have thought an iphone should be able to find its location with
> just gps, but might take many minutes to do it. That delay is called the
> 'time to fix' and depends on the number of satellites it can see (so not
> inside a bus - hold it against a window on the equator-facing side) and,
> and also how long it is and how far it is from the last fix. My last phone
> (which was a cheap Indian Sailfish one) could take 20 minutes - which is
> actually why I started using an iPhone (4s) which had a much better gps
> and could do it in 5 minutes. (If iphones can no longer do that I'll stop
> using them. I only use old ones I've given.)
>
> As to the original question, I've lost the plot. Is Chris right - you're
> tracking your daughter using google maps' location sharing? What's the
> relevance of the photo?

If she could send me a photo in email it would seem to imply that she
has SOME sort of internet access via either wifi or cell, right? And if
she has that, google maps should reflect her location, right? IF she
was using location services 'always' instead of 'only when using Maps',
right?

>>> If the latter, if the app doesn't have location access set to 'always',
>>> it'll only get the correct location when the app is open on the screen. The
>>> app running in the background may still think it is whereever it was when
>>> the app was last foregrounded.

Bingo!

>>> Lack of 'precise location' would mean the location is approximate but I
>>> don't know how coarse it is. I just did a test with Apple Maps and it gave
>>> about a 5 mile radius which did include my correct location.
>>>
>>>> Is this a generic iPhone thing or is there something wrong with her
>>>> particular phone?
>>>
>>> I suppose it could be that GPS is broken and it's relying on wifi hotspots.
>>> But that seems unlikely.
>>
>>Nope, just the setting.

--
Cheers, Bev
"I don't trust carry-out food. When you find hair in my cooking
you don't hafta worry about where it came from!" -- Dinette Set

On 9/21/23 23:27, The Real Bev wrote:
> I've been banned three times so far.  It's not so much disagreement, but
> butthurtness that causes people to complain about other posters.  The
> interface is SOOOO much worse than Facebook's, and I wouldn't have
> thought that was possible.  I could forgive almost anything if their
> threading actually worked and if the 'notifications' made the noted post
> obvious when you click the notification.
>
> The worst part is realizing how dumb people are.  Apparently you don't
> have to figure out ANYTHING to join, which says a lot.
>
>

So reporting someone is an instant ban? That's ridiculous.
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On 9/22/23 8:21 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/21/23 23:27, The Real Bev wrote:
>> I've been banned three times so far.  It's not so much disagreement, but
>> butthurtness that causes people to complain about other posters.  The
>> interface is SOOOO much worse than Facebook's, and I wouldn't have
>> thought that was possible.  I could forgive almost anything if their
>> threading actually worked and if the 'notifications' made the noted post
>> obvious when you click the notification.
>>
>> The worst part is realizing how dumb people are.  Apparently you don't
>> have to figure out ANYTHING to join, which says a lot.
>
> So reporting someone is an instant ban? That's ridiculous.

Everybody is supposed to be "nice". If you say something rude or
disparaging or just negative that offends someone who wants to complain,
it's up to the moderator what happens next. The nature of the rude
comment -- or its truth -- is kind of irrelevant, the important thing is
the niceness and the moderator's feelings.

Using an un-PC word is problematical. I posted something using the
phrase "whatever the politically-correct word for 'retarded' is now..."
and had my post deleted. I complained on the grounds that 'retarded'
(delayed) was less denigrating than 'mentally-challenged' and the mod
said (s)he would think about it. Nothing so far, and that was over a
week ago.

I continue because it's the only source, albeit minimal, of genuinely
local news, but it's a pretty damn good outrage stimulus for when I'm
feeling just way too placid :-)

--
Cheers, Bev (Registered Linux User 85683)
Some people have told me they don't think a fat penguin really
embodies the grace of Linux, which just tells me they have never seen
an angry penguin charging at them in excess of 100mph. They'd be a
lot more careful about what they say if they had. -- Linus Torvalds

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote
>>
>>> I don't have any Apple products, so no iPhones, either. In Android, I
>>> use MobiaWIA's GPS Status & Toolbox (paid $2.14 for the Pro version) app
>>> which lets me clear the GPS tables (Manage A-GPS state) to reset and get
>>> new data. The options under there are:
>>
>> For the advantage of the Android owners on this newsgroup, I suggest.
>> *SatStat* FOSS (free, ad free, gsf free)
>> <https://gitlab.com/mvglasow/satstat>
>> <https://f-droid.org/packages/com.vonglasow.michael.satstat/>
>>
>> Vanguard and I have had this discussion in gory detail where the summary is
>> I strongly suspect the app he recommends simply copied the FOSS code based
>> on the similarities of the two apps is astoundingly close page by page.
>>
>> In other words, my suggestion is you reward the original developer.
>> Not the copycat
>
> You clearly don't understand how FOSS works. It encourages sharing of code,
> by design. It's clearly described in all FOSS licenses.

How does anyone steal/borrow/fork code from a project that doesn't yet
exist? As with Erholt claiming Network Cellular Info (NCI) stole code
from Cellular-Z (CZ), the latter of which is FOSS which means you can't
steal code, how could NCI steal code from SatStat when SatStat didn't
exist yet?

M2Catalyst got the app repository from Wilysis back in 2014. The app
page still mentions Wilysis:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wilysis.cellinfolite
^^^^^^^
M2Catalyst explains what happened to the Wilysis apps at:

https://www.m2catalyst.com/faq
http://wilysis.com/services/apps

When Googling on "wilysis network cellular info", I can find articles
back to June 2014.

Best I can tell at the Gitlab project for SatStat is version 1.0
appeared Sept 2013. F-droid doesn't give any history on the app. They
only list the 3.x versions back to 2017.

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.vonglasow.michael.satstat/

The SatStat author's web site doesn't give history info, either.

https://mvglasow.gitlab.io/satstat/

Although there have been requests to Gitlab to add a project create date
on the main page, Gitlab has not done so yet. Trying to find when a
project was created there is impossible. Best you can do is sort Tags
by oldest. A project create date doesn't mean when code was released,
and tags to the first released version don't say when coding started, or
where the code came from. Since Michael von Glasow has been a member
since May 2014, who owned the project before that for there to be a 1.0
release back in Sept 2013? Glasow is the only member listed for the
SatStat Gitlab project. Gitlab says the user was created May 6, 2014,
but what does it mean that he wasn't granted access until Mar 3, 2019?

SatStat was published under the GNU GPLv3 license described at:

https://gitlab.com/mvglasow/satstat/-/blob/master/LICENSE

Both Wilysis and the SatStat Gitlab project look to have started about
the same time (within a few months of each other). I've found nothing
to indicate M2Catalyst's NCI app (acquired from Wilysis) used code from
the SatStat project. You can find information on M2Catalyst (e.g.,
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/m2catalyst). Glasow has
contributed to several Gitlab projects. I cannot find evidence to
support Wally's claim M2Catalyst (Wilysis) stole/forked/borrowed/used
code from the SatStat project. The license says those that use the
source code must add an acknowledgement in some file in the distribution
of a forked project. There's no repository for NCI to see its files.

Like to see Wally's validation that NCI was built from SatStat.
Similarity in GUI is not proof. The Outlook Express 3-pane view has
been used by umpteen e-mail clients for decades. Seems Wally is trying
to elevate his choice of app by throwing mud at other similar apps.

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote

> Like to see Wally's validation that NCI was built from SatStat.

Hi Vanguard,

I like you. I completely understand you. You have a caring soul.

I realize you, of all people, are somewhat one in a million, like I am,
where you actually _care_ that people get good answers to questions.

People like Chris are different - they're like cockroaches who are on
Usenet only for their personal amusement - where all Chris wants to do is
argue about what "he thinks" FOSS means - but that's not the point here.

The point I am trying to make is extremely important.
My point is that there are free apps which do what you paid for.

That's the point.

And it's not YOU I'm trying to reach by explaining that to you Vanguard.
I already know you enjoy paying for apps that you can get for free.

What I'm trying to do is edify the other people on this newsgroup Vanguard.
They can get, for free, the exactly same functionality that you pay for.

Steve does this all the time.
He promotes adware and payware apps that I can easily get for free.

My point is only that, Vanguard.
*The same functionality can be had for free and without ads*

That's the strategic point.

You and Chris seem to want to deal with the completely unrelated topic of
what FOSS means (to Chris) and why you enjoy paying for apps.

I completely understand both you and Chris, Vanguard.
You're not difficult to understand (especially Chris - who is a child).
*It's you who doesn't understand me.*

My goal is to provide everyone with the best apps for free without ads.
And without Google spyware if possible.

*If you don't know that by now, then you have a problem, Vanguard*

I am like you in that I _care_ people get good answers.

To that end I am purposefully helpful to the team because I _care_ that the
team can get the best functionality without ads, without cost or spyware.

For _that_ purpose, I "suggest" this app which replaces the functionality
that you pay for (bear in mind it takes intelligence to find these apps).

<https://gitlab.com/mvglasow/satstat>
<https://f-droid.org/packages/com.vonglasow.michael.satstat/>

If you LOVE to pay for what you can get for free - that's your decision.
Me? I strive to use intelligence to find an app that does it for free.
--
If you want to reward the developers - you can always donate to them.

On 2023-09-23 11:09, Wally J wrote:
> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote
>
>> Like to see Wally's validation that NCI was built from SatStat.
>
> Hi Vanguard,
>
> I like you. I completely understand you. You have a caring soul.
>
> I realize you, of all people, are somewhat one in a million, like I am,
> where you actually _care_ that people get good answers to questions.

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