On 5/13/2021 11:51 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 5/13/2021 5:48 AM, Peter Johnson wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 May 2021 11:59:11 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 11 May 2021 16:17:13 +0100, Peter Johnson
>>> <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 11 May 2021 05:37:41 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Peter Johnson wrote:
>>>>>> I'm looking for a simple, straight forward image viewer to replace
>>>>>> Windows Photo Viewer which has served well for many years.
>>>>>> Don't want or need image management or anything fancy. Just want
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>> able to click on an image to view it and then use a back/forward
>>>>>> arrow
>>>>>> to view other images in the same folder.
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>
>>>> It was the old Windows Photo Viewer that I've been using but there's
>>>> something about the jpgs produced by my new phone (Samsung Galaxy S10)
>>>> that it doesn't like, displaying an error message about low memory,
>>>> but it will open the same jpgs if processed through Paint Shop Pro and
>>>> re-saved.
>>>
>>> I have the Samsung Galaxy S20 and I've seen no problems viewing jpgs
>>> with
>>> Windows Photo Viewer in Win 10. Before the S20, I had the S7 and before
>>> that the S3, no problems with any of those, as well.
>>>
>>> As far as photo viewers go, I haven't found anything that beats Windows
>>> Photo Viewer. It's one of the few things that Microsoft got right. I've
>>> tried IrfanView in the past, based on recommendations here, and quickly
>>> dumped it. Others seem to like it, though.
>>
>> The problem seems to be one of those things that infect Windows, go on
>> for years, with various iterations on the OS, affect thousands,
>> possibly millions, of users and no-one really has any idea of what
>> causes them or how to fix them.
>>
>> There are dozens of messages about this issue with the photo viewer,
>> this one picked at random:
>> https://superuser.com/questions/1509194/windows-photo-viewer-cant-run-because-not-enough-memory
>>
>>
>> In my case the problems is not caused by the number of programs open
>> or a shortage of memory.
>
>
> I can't help with your problem, but a quick comment about the sentence
> above: Problems are never caused by the *number* of programs open.
> Problems can be caused by how much memory they use or how much of the
> CPU they use.
>
> Posts in newsgroups and web forums often contain the advice to check how
> many programs start automatically and reduce their number. It's always
> poor advice. Their number is irrelevant. What's important is *which*
> programs start automatically--what the programs do, not how many of them
> there are.
>
<https://www.guru99.com/best-photo-image-viewer-windows.html>

On 5/13/21 6:19 AM, s|b wrote:
> On Tue, 11 May 2021 15:36:11 -0700, T wrote:
>
>> 1+
>
> +2
>

From what I see, IrfanView support the most formats too. That is why I
started install it. ("My graphics artist
sent me this drawing and I can't open it!")

Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote in
news:echk9ghe47j0r68t6lc9p5q1c9bfho8uu0@4ax.com:

> I'm looking for a simple, straight forward image viewer to replace
> Windows Photo Viewer which has served well for many years.
> Don't want or need image management or anything fancy. Just want to be
> able to click on an image to view it and then use a back/forward arrow
> to view other images in the same folder.
> Thanks.

I can't remember if this one was mentioned, but if not:

https://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm

I also use Irfanview, the favorite here, but for my needs, it's a little
overkill.

Good luck.

On Fri, 14 May 2021 at 03:22:15, Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised):
>Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote in
>news:echk9ghe47j0r68t6lc9p5q1c9bfho8uu0@4ax.com:
>
>> I'm looking for a simple, straight forward image viewer to replace
>> Windows Photo Viewer which has served well for many years.
>> Don't want or need image management or anything fancy. Just want to be
>> able to click on an image to view it and then use a back/forward arrow
>> to view other images in the same folder.
>> Thanks.
>
>I can't remember if this one was mentioned, but if not:
>
>https://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm
>
>I also use Irfanview, the favorite here, but for my needs, it's a little
>overkill.
>
>Good luck.

I've never thought of IrfanView as overkill - but I suppose I see what
you mean! However, it achieves all that it does (I'm sure there are bits
I haven't found out about yet!) in far fewer megabytes [and - therefore?
- faster] than most alternatives.

But you can just use it as a viewer without being aware of what else it
can do; I _think_ I did, initially. (So long ago I can't remember.)

I also have faststone; actually, I think both can do much the same (i.
e. arguably faststone is "overkill" too); I suspect it's a matter of
which UI you got used to first. FastStone is good too.
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On Thu, 13 May 2021 09:59:29 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:

>>
>> There are dozens of messages about this issue with the photo viewer,
>> this one picked at random:
>> https://superuser.com/questions/1509194/windows-photo-viewer-cant-run-because-not-enough-memory
>>
>> In my case the problems is not caused by the number of programs open
>> or a shortage of memory.
>> Wouldn't argue with the idea of it being something to do with file
>> size vis a vis photo viewer.
>
>Didn't you see my other post ?
>
>The root cause is the ICC Profile added to the JPG.
>It throws the Photo Viewer into the ditch.
>
>Try to fix this on the Android end - make
>pictures without that profile added to it.
>

I did see your other post, thanks, but failed to absorb it.
Not sure how to remove the profile from the camera app, if it is
possible, but I suppose I could look for another camera app that
doesn't include it.

Peter Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, 13 May 2021 09:59:29 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> There are dozens of messages about this issue with the photo viewer,
>>> this one picked at random:
>>> https://superuser.com/questions/1509194/windows-photo-viewer-cant-run-because-not-enough-memory
>>>
>>> In my case the problems is not caused by the number of programs open
>>> or a shortage of memory.
>>> Wouldn't argue with the idea of it being something to do with file
>>> size vis a vis photo viewer.
>> Didn't you see my other post ?
>>
>> The root cause is the ICC Profile added to the JPG.
>> It throws the Photo Viewer into the ditch.
>>
>> Try to fix this on the Android end - make
>> pictures without that profile added to it.
>>
>
> I did see your other post, thanks, but failed to absorb it.
> Not sure how to remove the profile from the camera app, if it is
> possible, but I suppose I could look for another camera app that
> doesn't include it.

I tried some more experiments, using Android JPG images from
a sample page, and I'm not able to reproduce the problem.
The image sample set had a couple different ICC Profiles.

The other possibility, is the Android images are one of these
types. More likely to be available on newer Android devices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format

My Windows 10 VM, had an HEIC package from Microsoft installed
from the Windows Store, and I didn't put that there.

The question would be, whether the viewer in Windows gets its
image type support from external DLLs, or all of the features
are contained in the executable.

There are only a few image type decoders around.

GSpot was good for movies.
MediaInfo was also a movie viewer.
FFMPEG, FFProbe could be used to probe an image.

Maybe the Properties in Irfanview, can help you deal
with a basic decoding of what these images are. So we
can find a solution for you.

Paul

On 5/15/2021 11:56 AM, Paul wrote:
> Peter Johnson wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 09:59:29 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> There are dozens of messages about this issue with the photo viewer,
>>>> this one picked at random:
>>>> https://superuser.com/questions/1509194/windows-photo-viewer-cant-run-because-not-enough-memory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my case the problems is not caused by the number of programs open
>>>> or a shortage of memory.
>>>> Wouldn't argue with the idea of it being something to do with file
>>>> size vis a vis photo viewer.
>>> Didn't you see my other post ?
>>>
>>> The root cause is the ICC Profile added to the JPG.
>>> It throws the Photo Viewer into the ditch.
>>>
>>> Try to fix this on the Android end - make
>>> pictures without that profile added to it.
>>>
>>
>> I did see your other post, thanks, but failed to absorb it. Not sure
>> how to remove the profile from the camera app, if it is
>> possible, but I suppose I could look for another camera app that
>> doesn't include it.
>
> I tried some more experiments, using Android JPG images from
> a sample page, and I'm not able to reproduce the problem.
> The image sample set had a couple different ICC Profiles.
>
> The other possibility, is the Android images are one of these
> types. More likely to be available on newer Android devices.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format
>
> My Windows 10 VM, had an HEIC package from Microsoft installed
> from the Windows Store, and I didn't put that there.
>
> The question would be, whether the viewer in Windows gets its
> image type support from external DLLs, or all of the features
> are contained in the executable.
>
> There are only a few image type decoders around.
>
> GSpot was good for movies.
> MediaInfo was also a movie viewer.
> FFMPEG, FFProbe could be used to probe an image.
>
> Maybe the Properties in Irfanview, can help you deal
> with a basic decoding of what these images are. So we
> can find a solution for you.
>
>    Paul
When you look at the Information on the pictures stored in the JPG
format remember there are three types. In Irfanview terminology, one
is accessed from the Information Icon that is active when a picture is
viewed. The second is found as a button at the EXIF bottom of the
information window. and the other is a second IPCTinfo button in the
Information window.

When you click Information picture basic are presented, file date, sizes
colors, etc. When you click EXIFinfo you get some very specific
information about the camera used to create the picture, focal length of
he lens, resolution, and a couple dozen more. IPCTinfo is more personal
information such as Author, Copyright, Keywords, Credits, etc.

Most jpg pictures have something on he Information page, Some viewer do
not safe the EXIF info and the IPCT info.

It is possible Photo Viewer has problems when it finds the EXIF and IPCT
information.

> There are only a few image type decoders around.
>
> GSpot was good for movies.
> MediaInfo was also a movie viewer.

MediaInfo is still alive and well and it displays media information for
both movies and images.

> FFMPEG, FFProbe could be used to probe an image.

On 5/11/21 2:59 AM, Peter Johnson wrote:
> I'm looking for a simple, straight forward image viewer to replace
> Windows Photo Viewer which has served well for many years.
> Don't want or need image management or anything fancy. Just want to be
> able to click on an image to view it and then use a back/forward arrow
> to view other images in the same folder.

https://www.xnview.com/

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