On 2023-12-01 05:27, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 11/30/23 7:17 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 11/30/23 08:40, Newyana2 wrote:
>>> "candycanearter07" <no@thanks.net> wrote
>>>
>>> | >    I would nominate an alternate solution: I replaced
>>> | > my car radio with a small storage cabinet that I made
>>> | > to fit the opening. I don't have a computer in the car
>>> | > and don't turn on my cellphone most of the time...
>>> | > Very peaceful, and no logins. :)
>>> |
>>> | Is it an older car? Most current cars have a built in screen
>>> instead of
>>> | a solo radio, which would be hard/impossible to remove and would
>>> | probably destroy something.
>>>
>>>     It had a screen but that didn't do much other
>>> than control the radio. What I removed was basically
>>> a big, blocky radio and CD player. I think I got in under
>>> the wire. All it took was a few screws and pulling some
>>> plugs to give me extra real estate in the dashboard.
>>>
>>>    I expect you're right about newer cars. You can
>>> probably unplug the screen box, but if you're controlling
>>> things like heat on a touchpad screen then you'd lose
>>> critical functionality.
>>>
>>>    I'm hoping that I won't need to buy a new car.
>>> The spying. The superfluous complexity. The extra
>>> nags. I hate to think of how expensive repairs are
>>> going to be. For example, the $42K repair for a
>>> Rivian bumper:
>>>
>>> https://www.theautopian.com/heres-why-that-rivian-r1t-repair-cost-42000-after-just-a-minor-fender-bender/
>>>
>>>    And how long will the sensors and computer chips
>>> be available? I'm hoping that if I ever need another car
>>> it will be after this Rube Goldberg mania and it won't
>>> have a massager in the arm rest or a built-in, bossy
>>> lady telling me that I'm not driving the proper route
>>> to my destination. :)
>>
>> Most industries seem to be going that way, not just cars.
>
> The dumbing down of the world, especially the US.  How are we going to
> produce enough smart people to keep it running?

By importing them, as always :-D

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On 12/1/23 2:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-12-01 05:27, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 11/30/23 7:17 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> On 11/30/23 08:40, Newyana2 wrote:
...
>>>>    And how long will the sensors and computer chips
>>>> be available? I'm hoping that if I ever need another car
>>>> it will be after this Rube Goldberg mania and it won't
>>>> have a massager in the arm rest or a built-in, bossy
>>>> lady telling me that I'm not driving the proper route
>>>> to my destination. :)
>>>
>>> Most industries seem to be going that way, not just cars.
>>
>> The dumbing down of the world, especially the US.  How are we going to
>> produce enough smart people to keep it running?
>
> By importing them, as always :-D

From Mars?

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The next day I bought 47 more.

On 2023-12-01 17:32, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 12/1/23 2:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-12-01 05:27, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 11/30/23 7:17 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> On 11/30/23 08:40, Newyana2 wrote:
> ...
>>>>>    And how long will the sensors and computer chips
>>>>> be available? I'm hoping that if I ever need another car
>>>>> it will be after this Rube Goldberg mania and it won't
>>>>> have a massager in the arm rest or a built-in, bossy
>>>>> lady telling me that I'm not driving the proper route
>>>>> to my destination. :)
>>>>
>>>> Most industries seem to be going that way, not just cars.
>>>
>>> The dumbing down of the world, especially the US.  How are we going
>>> to produce enough smart people to keep it running?
>>
>> By importing them, as always :-D
>
> From Mars?

Einstein was from Europe, to name just one.

Many current scientists and engineers come from Asia.

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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 12/1/23 10:49 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-12-01 17:32, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 12/1/23 2:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-12-01 05:27, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 11/30/23 7:17 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>> On 11/30/23 08:40, Newyana2 wrote:
>> ...
>>>>>>    And how long will the sensors and computer chips
>>>>>> be available? I'm hoping that if I ever need another car
>>>>>> it will be after this Rube Goldberg mania and it won't
>>>>>> have a massager in the arm rest or a built-in, bossy
>>>>>> lady telling me that I'm not driving the proper route
>>>>>> to my destination. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Most industries seem to be going that way, not just cars.
>>>>
>>>> The dumbing down of the world, especially the US.  How are we going
>>>> to produce enough smart people to keep it running?
>>>
>>> By importing them, as always :-D
>>
>> From Mars?
>
> Einstein was from Europe, to name just one.

A few others, of course. No big names...

> Many current scientists and engineers come from Asia.

Given the spread of American junk food and "music", how far behind can
our educational system be?

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Cheers, Bev
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Did Rose Kennedy have a black dress?

On 2023-12-02 00:55, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 12/1/23 10:49 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-12-01 17:32, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 12/1/23 2:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-12-01 05:27, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> On 11/30/23 7:17 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/30/23 08:40, Newyana2 wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>>>>    And how long will the sensors and computer chips
>>>>>>> be available? I'm hoping that if I ever need another car
>>>>>>> it will be after this Rube Goldberg mania and it won't
>>>>>>> have a massager in the arm rest or a built-in, bossy
>>>>>>> lady telling me that I'm not driving the proper route
>>>>>>> to my destination. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most industries seem to be going that way, not just cars.
>>>>>
>>>>> The dumbing down of the world, especially the US.  How are we going
>>>>> to produce enough smart people to keep it running?
>>>>
>>>> By importing them, as always :-D
>>>
>>>  From Mars?
>>
>> Einstein was from Europe, to name just one.
>
> A few others, of course.  No big names...
>
>> Many current scientists and engineers come from Asia.
>
> Given the spread of American junk food and "music", how far behind can
> our educational system be?

I don't know about the American education system, but I know about the
Canadian one first hand, and it is wonderful for those that want to
benefit from it. Specially newcomers do, we found the local system
wonderfully better than those we left behind.

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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 12/1/23 4:29 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-12-02 00:55, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 12/1/23 10:49 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-12-01 17:32, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 12/1/23 2:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-12-01 05:27, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/30/23 7:17 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/30/23 08:40, Newyana2 wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>    And how long will the sensors and computer chips
>>>>>>>> be available? I'm hoping that if I ever need another car
>>>>>>>> it will be after this Rube Goldberg mania and it won't
>>>>>>>> have a massager in the arm rest or a built-in, bossy
>>>>>>>> lady telling me that I'm not driving the proper route
>>>>>>>> to my destination. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most industries seem to be going that way, not just cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The dumbing down of the world, especially the US.  How are we going
>>>>>> to produce enough smart people to keep it running?
>>>>>
>>>>> By importing them, as always :-D
>>>>
>>>>  From Mars?
>>>
>>> Einstein was from Europe, to name just one.
>>
>> A few others, of course.  No big names...
>>
>>> Many current scientists and engineers come from Asia.
>>
>> Given the spread of American junk food and "music", how far behind can
>> our educational system be?
>
> I don't know about the American education system, but I know about the
> Canadian one first hand, and it is wonderful for those that want to
> benefit from it. Specially newcomers do, we found the local system
> wonderfully better than those we left behind.

Here (Kalifornia) children in wealthy neighborhoods do OK because the
entire community knows the value of education and makes sure their
children get one. Not so much in lower-middle-class and lower
neighborhoods. Or even middle-class neighborhoods.

The really smart kids will probably do well (captains of industry, drug
kingpins, whatever...) but the other 95% are in deep shit.

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Cheers, Bev
"It's too bad stupidity isn't painful." - A. S. LaVey