Touch ID Not Returning With iPhone 13
https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/23/iphone-13-no-touch-id-under-display/

"The global health crisis and daily wearing of a face mask increased demand
for Touch ID, as Face ID doesn't work while a user is wearing a face
covering."

"The second-generation iPhone SE is currently the only iPhone within the
lineup that features Touch ID, but it has made a recent reappearance in the
iPad. With the latest-generation iPad Air, Apple engineers were able to
embed Touch ID into the Power Button."

On 8/23/2021 4:35 PM, NewsKrawler wrote:
> Touch ID Not Returning With iPhone 13
> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/23/iphone-13-no-touch-id-under-display/
>
> "The global health crisis and daily wearing of a face mask increased demand
> for Touch ID, as Face ID doesn't work while a user is wearing a face
> covering."
>
> "The second-generation iPhone SE is currently the only iPhone within the
> lineup that features Touch ID, but it has made a recent reappearance in the
> iPad. With the latest-generation iPad Air, Apple engineers were able to
> embed Touch ID into the Power Button."

What a shame. As
<https://www.tomsguide.com/news/iphone-13-the-one-feature-we-really-want-reportedly-wont-make-the-cut>
states, "It’s one more reason why some may want to wait for the iPhone
14 instead."

My wife is getting her iPhone SE2020 from her employer today. In her
occupation FaceID is just not acceptable.

NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:

> "The global health crisis and daily wearing of a face mask increased demand
> for Touch ID, as Face ID doesn't work while a user is wearing a face
> covering."

So use a passcode.

In comp.mobile.ipad sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 8/23/2021 4:35 PM, NewsKrawler wrote:
> > Touch ID Not Returning With iPhone 13
> > https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/23/iphone-13-no-touch-id-under-display/
> >
> > "The global health crisis and daily wearing of a face mask increased demand
> > for Touch ID, as Face ID doesn't work while a user is wearing a face
> > covering."
> >
> > "The second-generation iPhone SE is currently the only iPhone within the
> > lineup that features Touch ID, but it has made a recent reappearance in the
> > iPad. With the latest-generation iPad Air, Apple engineers were able to
> > embed Touch ID into the Power Button."

> What a shame. As
> <https://www.tomsguide.com/news/iphone-13-the-one-feature-we-really-want-reportedly-wont-make-the-cut>
> states, "It???s one more reason why some may want to wait for the iPhone
> 14 instead."

> My wife is getting her iPhone SE2020 from her employer today. In her
> occupation FaceID is just not acceptable.

What type of work?
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In article <9ZmdndJ9h-Z-8Ln8nZ2dnUU7-emdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

>
> > My wife is getting her iPhone SE2020 from her employer today. In her
> > occupation FaceID is just not acceptable.
>
> What type of work?

assistant troll manager.

Am 24.08.21 um 02:12 schrieb sms:
> On 8/23/2021 4:35 PM, NewsKrawler wrote:
>> Touch ID Not Returning With iPhone 13
>> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/23/iphone-13-no-touch-id-under-display/
>>
>> "The global health crisis and daily wearing of a face mask increased demand
>> for Touch ID, as Face ID doesn't work while a user is wearing a face
>> covering."
>>
>> "The second-generation iPhone SE is currently the only iPhone within the
>> lineup that features Touch ID, but it has made a recent reappearance in the
>> iPad. With the latest-generation iPad Air, Apple engineers were able to
>> embed Touch ID into the Power Button."
>
> What a shame. As
> <https://www.tomsguide.com/news/iphone-13-the-one-feature-we-really-want-reportedly-wont-make-the-cut>
> states, "It’s one more reason why some may want to wait for the iPhone
> 14 instead."
>
> My wife is getting her iPhone SE2020 from her employer today. In her
> occupation FaceID is just not acceptable.

Face ID is acceptable in all occupations. You are again spreading FUD
and braindead nonsense. Yesterday I explained to you why Touch-ID won't
come back.

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On 8/23/2021 7:35 PM, NewsKrawler wrote:
> Touch ID Not Returning With iPhone 13
> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/23/iphone-13-no-touch-id-under-display/
>
> "The global health crisis...

Why not restrict its use to the vaccinated, too?

On 2021-08-24, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <9ZmdndJ9h-Z-8Ln8nZ2dnUU7-emdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
><ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>
>> > My wife is getting her iPhone SE2020 from her employer today. In her
>> > occupation FaceID is just not acceptable.
>>
>> What type of work?
>
> assistant troll manager.

*giggle* Thanks. I needed that this morning. : )

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On 2021-08-24 02:23, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

> Face ID is acceptable in all occupations. You are again spreading FUD
> and braindead nonsense. Yesterday I explained to you why Touch-ID won't
> come back.

Heree, face masks requires indoors. So people who work in stores always
have face masks. Same with health care workers.

I have used Apple Pay very little in the last 1.5 years because using
actual credit card for tap/pay is easier than fiddling with the phone.

If I had still been on 6s, this would be a non issue because of Touch ID
and the fact that on 6s proximity to POS terminal is enough to put it
into payment mode (with Xs I have to double click first, then wait for
faceID to fail, then click enter passcode, then enter the pascode, then
selct card and then put phone near terminal)

There should be a way to disable FaceID for say 15 minutes at which
poijt any need for authentication would automatically pop up the
passcode keypad right away.

On 8/24/2021 11:23 AM, JF Mezei wrote:
> On 2021-08-24 02:23, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>
>> Face ID is acceptable in all occupations. You are again spreading FUD
>> and braindead nonsense. Yesterday I explained to you why Touch-ID won't
>> come back.
>
>
> Heree, face masks requires indoors. So people who work in stores always
> have face masks. Same with health care workers.
>
> I have used Apple Pay very little in the last 1.5 years because using
> actual credit card for tap/pay is easier than fiddling with the phone.

I have used primarily Google Pay and Samsung Pay because a sufficient
number of businesses I go to don't accept NFC payments so Samsung Pay is
very useful. The number of non-NFC businesses has been generally going
down (though one place I go often, Daiso, dropped NFC payments for some
reason, and they get upset when you use Samsung Pay since they don't
understand that it isn't NFC).

My most-used credit card gives 3% flat rate cash back on mobile wallet
purchases so there's an incentive to use that card instead of a 2% card
since it's 50% higher cash back.

> If I had still been on 6s, this would be a non issue because of Touch ID
> and the fact that on 6s proximity to POS terminal is enough to put it
> into payment mode (with Xs I have to double click first, then wait for
> faceID to fail, then click enter passcode, then enter the pascode, then
> selct card and then put phone near terminal)

Yeah, that's the annoying scenario you see in stores, now once again
since the mask mandates are back. What's really annoying is when people
take off their mask to use FaceID instead of just using the passcode.
But as you point out, it isn't just FaceID that makes it slower than a
phone with TouchID, the whole process is longer.

But don't you understand that you're supposed to buy an Apple Watch to
get around the issues with FaceID? You're not going with the program!

> There should be a way to disable FaceID for say 15 minutes at which
> poijt any need for authentication would automatically pop up the
> passcode keypad right away.

That would be an excellent idea. Alas, it would be a tacit admission by
Apple of how impractical and annoying FaceID often is so forget about it
happening.

Once TouchID returns to to the iPhone, whether it's in the 14 or 15, I'm
sure we'll see people here proclaiming that prior to Apple's
implementation of TouchID 2, fingerprint scanning simply didn't work.

I suppose that I could have gone with the SE2020 instead of the Xr as an
upgrade to my 6s Plus, but the 4.7" screen was too small for me. The 6s
Plus still worked fine but lacked eSIM, which I wanted for foreign
travel so when the Xr went on sale for $211.75 I decided that it was
time to upgrade.

In article <sg3io0$bud$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Once TouchID returns to to the iPhone, whether it's in the 14 or 15, I'm
> sure we'll see people here proclaiming that prior to Apple's
> implementation of TouchID 2, fingerprint scanning simply didn't work.

the main reason apple hasn't released in-screen fingerprint sensors is
because the technology isn't ready yet.

existing android implementations are slow, unreliable and easily
spoofed. they're worse than a dedicated sensor.

apple's implementation of an in-screen fingerprint sensor, should it
ever be released (not a given), will not only work well, but it will
also be more secure than existing solutions, just as their face id did
versus previous facial recognition implementations.

On Aug 24, 2021, JF Mezei wrote
(in article <0PaVI.88864$Qp7.8815@fx46.iad>):

> On 2021-08-24 02:23, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>
> > Face ID is acceptable in all occupations. You are again spreading FUD
> > and braindead nonsense. Yesterday I explained to you why Touch-ID won't
> > come back.
>
> Heree, face masks requires indoors. So people who work in stores always
> have face masks. Same with health care workers.

....and this is a problem, why?
>
> I have used Apple Pay very little in the last 1.5 years because using
> actual credit card for tap/pay is easier than fiddling with the phone.

Who fiddles with the phone for ApplePay? I use my Apple Watch, so much simpler than hauling out either a phone, or diging a card out of my wallet.
>
> If I had still been on 6s, this would be a non issue because of Touch ID
> and the fact that on 6s proximity to POS terminal is enough to put it
> into payment mode (with Xs I have to double click first, then wait for
> faceID to fail, then click enter passcode, then enter the pascode, then
> selct card and then put phone near terminal)

My iPhone 8+ has been working just fine, and I have no reason to move on to an iP12, or iP13 just yet.
>
> There should be a way to disable FaceID for say 15 minutes at which
> poijt any need for authentication would automatically pop up the
> passcode keypad right away.

An awkward solution for a non problem.

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On Aug 24, 2021, sms wrote
(in article <sg3io0$bud$1@dont-email.me>):

> On 8/24/2021 11:23 AM, JF Mezei wrote:
> > On 2021-08-24 02:23, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> >
> > > Face ID is acceptable in all occupations. You are again spreading FUD
> > > and braindead nonsense. Yesterday I explained to you why Touch-ID won't
> > > come back.
> >
> >
> > Heree, face masks requires indoors. So people who work in stores always
> > have face masks. Same with health care workers.
> >
> > I have used Apple Pay very little in the last 1.5 years because using
> > actual credit card for tap/pay is easier than fiddling with the phone.
>
> I have used primarily Google Pay and Samsung Pay because a sufficient
> number of businesses I go to don't accept NFC payments so Samsung Pay is
> very useful. The number of non-NFC businesses has been generally going
> down (though one place I go often, Daiso, dropped NFC payments for some
> reason, and they get upset when you use Samsung Pay since they don't
> understand that it isn't NFC).
>
> My most-used credit card gives 3% flat rate cash back on mobile wallet
> purchases so there's an incentive to use that card instead of a 2% card
> since it's 50% higher cash back.
>
> > If I had still been on 6s, this would be a non issue because of Touch ID
> > and the fact that on 6s proximity to POS terminal is enough to put it
> > into payment mode (with Xs I have to double click first, then wait for
> > faceID to fail, then click enter passcode, then enter the pascode, then
> > selct card and then put phone near terminal)
>
> Yeah, that's the annoying scenario you see in stores, now once again
> since the mask mandates are back. What's really annoying is when people
> take off their mask to use FaceID instead of just using the passcode.
> But as you point out, it isn't just FaceID that makes it slower than a
> phone with TouchID, the whole process is longer.
>
> But don't you understand that you're supposed to buy an Apple Watch to
> get around the issues with FaceID? You're not going with the program!

Hell! I am using my Gen4 Apple Watch for all my ApplePay transactions, and have been doing so with my iPhone 8+ in my pocket.

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On 8/23/2021 8:56 PM, Ant wrote:
> In comp.mobile.ipad sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

<snip>

>> My wife is getting her iPhone SE2020 from her employer today. In her
>> occupation FaceID is just not acceptable.
>
> What type of work?

Health care. Masks are mandatory in health care settings. Her iPhone
goes off seemingly non-stop, especially when she's on-call, beginning at
6:30 a.m.. Including many weekends. At home FaceID would be fine, but
not at work. That's why she chose the iPhone SE 2020. TouchID is much
more convenient.

I wonder how many people realize how ubiquitous the iPhone has become in
the health care setting. Secure messaging, secure photography, secure
e-mail, all the HIPAA compliant tasks that Android was not trusted with.
HIPAA compliance is a huge industry. Last time I had a minor out-patient
blepharoplasty procedure the doctor was taking before and after photos.
He could not just share them in the iCloud, he had to use a secure photo
app that is very expensive to license.

It's unclear what is taking Apple so long. Under-screen 3D fingerprint
sensors are extremely reliable, faster than facial recognition, have
fewer false negatives as well as far fewer false positives, and are
nearly impossible to spoof. There was one problem in the beginning where
the fingerprint sensor was "learning" the pattern of a screen protector
instead of the actual finger, but that was in the first generation and
was quickly fixed in software. Now we're on the third generation of
under-screen fingerprint scanners and everyone agrees that it's the best
bio-metric for a phone.

I'm sure when Apple finally implements the under screen fingerprint
sensor it will be just as good as the currently available systems, and
address the usability and security issues inherent in facial
recognition, but it's been years since their patents were granted. I
know that they don't like being dependent on other suppliers for
technology but since they don't make their own screens there's no way
around this.

<https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2021/07/15/apple-iphone-13-pro-max-touch-id-design-upgrade-iphone-12-pro-max/?sh=4aba67efbb76>

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote
> JF Mezei wrote
>> Joerg Lorenz wrote
>>
>> > Face ID is acceptable in all occupations. You are again spreading FUD
>> > and braindead nonsense. Yesterday I explained to you why Touch-ID won't
>> > come back.
>>
>> Heree, face masks requires indoors. So people who work in stores always
>> have face masks. Same with health care workers.
>
> ...and this is a problem, why?
>>
>> I have used Apple Pay very little in the last 1.5 years because using
>> actual credit card for tap/pay is easier than fiddling with the phone.

> Who fiddles with the phone for ApplePay?

I use the phone for applepay. I don’t fiddle with it,
I take it out of my pocket with the thumb on the
home button and wave it at the terminal.

> I use my Apple Watch,

Fuck charging that damned thing every night.

> so much simpler than hauling out either a
> phone, or diging a card out of my wallet.

But farting around charging it every night is far more hassle.

>> If I had still been on 6s, this would be a non issue because of Touch ID
>> and the fact that on 6s proximity to POS terminal is enough to put it
>> into payment mode (with Xs I have to double click first, then wait for
>> faceID to fail, then click enter passcode, then enter the pascode, then
>> selct card and then put phone near terminal)
>
> My iPhone 8+ has been working just fine, and I have no reason to move on
> to an iP12, or iP13 just yet.
>>
>> There should be a way to disable FaceID for say 15 minutes at which
>> poijt any need for authentication would automatically pop up the
>> passcode keypad right away.
>
> An awkward solution for a non problem.

It isn't a non problem when you pay for everything using applepay
and are required to wear a mask all the time when not at home.

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote
> On Aug 24, 2021, sms wrote
> (in article <sg3io0$bud$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 8/24/2021 11:23 AM, JF Mezei wrote:
>> > On 2021-08-24 02:23, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> >
>> > > Face ID is acceptable in all occupations. You are again spreading FUD
>> > > and braindead nonsense. Yesterday I explained to you why Touch-ID
>> > > won't
>> > > come back.
>> >
>> >
>> > Heree, face masks requires indoors. So people who work in stores always
>> > have face masks. Same with health care workers.
>> >
>> > I have used Apple Pay very little in the last 1.5 years because using
>> > actual credit card for tap/pay is easier than fiddling with the phone.
>>
>> I have used primarily Google Pay and Samsung Pay because a sufficient
>> number of businesses I go to don't accept NFC payments so Samsung Pay is
>> very useful. The number of non-NFC businesses has been generally going
>> down (though one place I go often, Daiso, dropped NFC payments for some
>> reason, and they get upset when you use Samsung Pay since they don't
>> understand that it isn't NFC).
>>
>> My most-used credit card gives 3% flat rate cash back on mobile wallet
>> purchases so there's an incentive to use that card instead of a 2% card
>> since it's 50% higher cash back.
>>
>> > If I had still been on 6s, this would be a non issue because of Touch
>> > ID
>> > and the fact that on 6s proximity to POS terminal is enough to put it
>> > into payment mode (with Xs I have to double click first, then wait for
>> > faceID to fail, then click enter passcode, then enter the pascode, then
>> > selct card and then put phone near terminal)
>>
>> Yeah, that's the annoying scenario you see in stores, now once again
>> since the mask mandates are back. What's really annoying is when people
>> take off their mask to use FaceID instead of just using the passcode.
>> But as you point out, it isn't just FaceID that makes it slower than a
>> phone with TouchID, the whole process is longer.
>>
>> But don't you understand that you're supposed to buy an Apple Watch to
>> get around the issues with FaceID? You're not going with the program!

> Hell! I am using my Gen4 Apple Watch for all my ApplePay transactions,
> and have been doing so with my iPhone 8+ in my pocket.

But have to fart around charging the damned thing every night.

Fuck that.

On 8/24/2021 3:43 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2021, JF Mezei wrote
> (in article <0PaVI.88864$Qp7.8815@fx46.iad>):
>
>> On 2021-08-24 02:23, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>
>>> Face ID is acceptable in all occupations. You are again spreading FUD
>>> and braindead nonsense. Yesterday I explained to you why Touch-ID won't
>>> come back.
>>
>> Heree, face masks requires indoors. So people who work in stores always
>> have face masks. Same with health care workers.
>
> ...and this is a problem, why?

It's only a problem if you want to quickly unlock a phone that has only
FaceID, and you don't own an Apple Watch. I'm sure that you realize that
despite what Apple may desire, the vast majority of iPhone users don't
own an Apple Watch.

>> I have used Apple Pay very little in the last 1.5 years because using
>> actual credit card for tap/pay is easier than fiddling with the phone.
>
> Who fiddles with the phone for ApplePay? I use my Apple Watch, so much simpler than hauling out either a phone, or diging a card out of my wallet.

Again, I'm sure that you realize that despite what Apple may desire, the
vast majority of iPhone users don't own an Apple Watch.

>> If I had still been on 6s, this would be a non issue because of Touch ID
>> and the fact that on 6s proximity to POS terminal is enough to put it
>> into payment mode (with Xs I have to double click first, then wait for
>> faceID to fail, then click enter passcode, then enter the pascode, then
>> selct card and then put phone near terminal)
>
> My iPhone 8+ has been working just fine, and I have no reason to move on to an iP12, or iP13 just yet.

iPhone 8 Plus, not iPhone 8+. You may have no reason to move on, but in
the words of Bernard Bailey: “When science discovers the center of the
universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to find they are not it.”

There are legitimate reasons people have for buying newer models,
including better cameras, bezel-less (mostly) screen, dual SIM, 4x4 MIMO
antennas, larger screens, and faster processors. Sadly, FaceID is the
only biometric on these newer, larger screen, phones.

>> There should be a way to disable FaceID for say 15 minutes at which
>> poijt any need for authentication would automatically pop up the
>> passcode keypad right away.
>
> An awkward solution for a non problem.

Actually it would be a clever workaround for a very common problem. And
it wouldn't require any new hardware.

In article <sg3u6t$nc3$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> It's unclear what is taking Apple so long.

it's very clear. the technology for in-screen fingerprint sensors is
nowhere near good enough, as can be seen by the existing
implementations.

<https://www.androidcentral.com/in-screen-fingerprint-sensors-suck>
Both optical and ultrasonic sensors are hidden underneath a phone's
display and allow you to place your finger on a small designated area
of it. Ultrasonic sensors are more expensive than the already costly
optical ones, but they have the potential of being faster and more
secure thanks to the additional data they capture.

In-screen fingerprint sensors are slow and unreliable. Stop using
them.

So far, the implementation of both these technologies has
left...well...a lot to be desired.

Being slower than regular fingerprint sensors is the best case
scenario. The worst is having these in-screen sensors regularly
misread your fingerprint, requiring you to give multiple attempts
before your phone finally unlocks.

So far, my experience with the Galaxy S10 has been a mixed bag.
There are times when it registers my fingerprint just fine and others
in which it completely fails to work at all. This is the best version
of an in-screen sensor that's yet to hit the market, but even so, it
feels like a major step backwards compared to tried-and-true
traditional sensors.

> Under-screen 3D fingerprint
> sensors are extremely reliable, faster than facial recognition, have
> fewer false negatives as well as far fewer false positives, and are
> nearly impossible to spoof.

all demonstrably false.

<https://www.businessinsider.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-fingerprint-sensor-t
ricked-using-3d-printer-2019-4>
A Galaxy S10 owner with a 3D printer and a photo of his own
fingerprint was able to spoof the ultrasonic in-display fingerprint
sensor on his smartphone ‹ and he said he can do it in "15 minutes."

<https://www.tomsguide.com/us/in-screen-fingerprint-tinfoil-flaw,news-28
574.html>
Chinese researchers at Tencent's Xuanwu Lab discovered earlier this
year that they were able to unlock handsets simply by placing a piece
of opaque reflective material ‹ i.e., aluminum foil ‹ over the
in-screen fingerprint readers.

> There was one problem in the beginning where
> the fingerprint sensor was "learning" the pattern of a screen protector
> instead of the actual finger, but that was in the first generation and
> was quickly fixed in software.

that was samsung, and a rather significant flaw.

had that happened with apple, the trolls would never live it down.

the fact you dismiss it as being no big deal shows just how much of a
troll you really are.

you're also ignoring the ongoing issues where reflective foil and
adhesive tape can spoof it (see above), and also that only very few
screen protectors are compatible (even with samsung).

> Now we're on the third generation of
> under-screen fingerprint scanners and everyone agrees that it's the best
> bio-metric for a phone.

nope. not everyone.

nearly every review for in-screen fingerprint sensors states that it's
slow, unreliable and easily spoofed. again, see above.

the latest generation is better, but it's still nowhere near as good as
a dedicated capacitive sensor.

> I'm sure when Apple finally implements the under screen fingerprint
> sensor it will be just as good as the currently available systems,

apple's version, if they do release it (not a guarantee) will be much
better than existing in-screen fingerprint sensors, just as their face
id was much better than previously existing facial recognition.

> and
> address the usability and security issues inherent in facial
> recognition,

usability is only an issue with masks, which is temporary and one which
could not have been predicted ~7 years ago, when face id development
began.

further, the security of face id is much, much better than touch id and
*far* more secure than an in-screen fingerprint sensor.

'facial recognition' on android is a joke, which can be spoofed with a
photo.

i think it was samsung that was spoofed using a selfie taken with
another phone in the hands-on area, literally just minutes after being
announced to the world.

> but it's been years since their patents were granted.

that's entirely meaningless.

like many companies, apple patents all sorts of stuff. 83 patents were
issued today alone.

> I know that they don't like being dependent on other suppliers for
> technology but since they don't make their own screens there's no way
> around this.

apple doesn't manufacture their own displays, however, they are made to
apple's own specs, as are all of their custom parts.

as steve jobs famously once said, other companies use the displays we
reject.

In article <sg4161$6kb$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> >> There should be a way to disable FaceID for say 15 minutes at which
> >> poijt any need for authentication would automatically pop up the
> >> passcode keypad right away.
> >
> > An awkward solution for a non problem.
>
> Actually it would be a clever workaround for a very common problem. And
> it wouldn't require any new hardware.

actually, it would make it not secure, which would be bad.

if the phone is lost or stolen during that window, *anyone* could make
multiple purchases.

On Aug 24, 2021, Rod Speed wrote
(in article <ioldt4Fm909U1@mid.individual.net>):

> Savageduck<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote
> > JF Mezei wrote
> > > Joerg Lorenz wrote
> > >
> > > > Face ID is acceptable in all occupations. You are again spreading FUD
> > > > and braindead nonsense. Yesterday I explained to you why Touch-ID won't
> > > > come back.
> > >
> > > Heree, face masks requires indoors. So people who work in stores always
> > > have face masks. Same with health care workers.
> >
> > ...and this is a problem, why?
> > >
> > > I have used Apple Pay very little in the last 1.5 years because using
> > > actual credit card for tap/pay is easier than fiddling with the phone.
>
> > Who fiddles with the phone for ApplePay?
>
> I use the phone for applepay. I don’t fiddle with it,
> I take it out of my pocket with the thumb on the
> home button and wave it at the terminal.

That is what I did before I got my Apple Watch.
>
> > I use my Apple Watch,
>
> Fuck charging that damned thing every night.

I got used to the idea after a few nights.
>
> > so much simpler than hauling out either a
> > phone, or diging a card out of my wallet.
>
> But farting around charging it every night is far more hassle.
Once you have a charging routine down it is no hassle at all.
>
> > > If I had still been on 6s, this would be a non issue because of Touch ID
> > > and the fact that on 6s proximity to POS terminal is enough to put it
> > > into payment mode (with Xs I have to double click first, then wait for
> > > faceID to fail, then click enter passcode, then enter the pascode, then
> > > selct card and then put phone near terminal)
> >
> > My iPhone 8+ has been working just fine, and I have no reason to move on
> > to an iP12, or iP13 just yet.
> > >
> > > There should be a way to disable FaceID for say 15 minutes at which
> > > poijt any need for authentication would automatically pop up the
> > > passcode keypad right away.
> >
> > An awkward solution for a non problem.
>
> It isn't a non problem when you pay for everything using applepay
> and are required to wear a mask all the time when not at home.

That said, I am still using my iPhone 8+ with TouchID.

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Savageduck

On Aug 24, 2021, Rod Speed wrote
(in article <iole05Fm9hiU1@mid.individual.net>):

> Savageduck<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote
> > On Aug 24, 2021, sms wrote
> > (in article <sg3io0$bud$1@dont-email.me>):
> >
> > > On 8/24/2021 11:23 AM, JF Mezei wrote:
> > > > On 2021-08-24 02:23, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Face ID is acceptable in all occupations. You are again spreading FUD
> > > > > and braindead nonsense. Yesterday I explained to you why Touch-ID
> > > > > won't
> > > > > come back.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Heree, face masks requires indoors. So people who work in stores always
> > > > have face masks. Same with health care workers.
> > > >
> > > > I have used Apple Pay very little in the last 1.5 years because using
> > > > actual credit card for tap/pay is easier than fiddling with the phone.
> > >
> > > I have used primarily Google Pay and Samsung Pay because a sufficient
> > > number of businesses I go to don't accept NFC payments so Samsung Pay is
> > > very useful. The number of non-NFC businesses has been generally going
> > > down (though one place I go often, Daiso, dropped NFC payments for some
> > > reason, and they get upset when you use Samsung Pay since they don't
> > > understand that it isn't NFC).
> > >
> > > My most-used credit card gives 3% flat rate cash back on mobile wallet
> > > purchases so there's an incentive to use that card instead of a 2% card
> > > since it's 50% higher cash back.
> > >
> > > > If I had still been on 6s, this would be a non issue because of Touch
> > > > ID
> > > > and the fact that on 6s proximity to POS terminal is enough to put it
> > > > into payment mode (with Xs I have to double click first, then wait for
> > > > faceID to fail, then click enter passcode, then enter the pascode, then
> > > > selct card and then put phone near terminal)
> > >
> > > Yeah, that's the annoying scenario you see in stores, now once again
> > > since the mask mandates are back. What's really annoying is when people
> > > take off their mask to use FaceID instead of just using the passcode.
> > > But as you point out, it isn't just FaceID that makes it slower than a
> > > phone with TouchID, the whole process is longer.
> > >
> > > But don't you understand that you're supposed to buy an Apple Watch to
> > > get around the issues with FaceID? You're not going with the program!
>
> > Hell! I am using my Gen4 Apple Watch for all my ApplePay transactions,
> > and have been doing so with my iPhone 8+ in my pocket.
>
> But have to fart around charging the damned thing every night.
>
> Fuck that.

Ok! To each his own.

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Regards,
Savageduck

On Aug 24, 2021, sms wrote
(in article <sg4161$6kb$1@dont-email.me>):

> On 8/24/2021 3:43 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> > On Aug 24, 2021, JF Mezei wrote
> > (in article <0PaVI.88864$Qp7.8815@fx46.iad>):
> >
> > > On 2021-08-24 02:23, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> > >
> > > > Face ID is acceptable in all occupations. You are again spreading FUD
> > > > and braindead nonsense. Yesterday I explained to you why Touch-ID won't
> > > > come back.
> > >
> > > Heree, face masks requires indoors. So people who work in stores always
> > > have face masks. Same with health care workers.
> >
> > ...and this is a problem, why?
>
> It's only a problem if you want to quickly unlock a phone that has only
> FaceID, and you don't own an Apple Watch. I'm sure that you realize that
> despite what Apple may desire, the vast majority of iPhone users don't
> own an Apple Watch.
>
> > > I have used Apple Pay very little in the last 1.5 years because using
> > > actual credit card for tap/pay is easier than fiddling with the phone.
> >
> > Who fiddles with the phone for ApplePay? I use my Apple Watch, so much simpler than hauling out either a phone, or diging a card out of my wallet.
>
> Again, I'm sure that you realize that despite what Apple may desire, the
> vast majority of iPhone users don't own an Apple Watch.
>
> > > If I had still been on 6s, this would be a non issue because of Touch ID
> > > and the fact that on 6s proximity to POS terminal is enough to put it
> > > into payment mode (with Xs I have to double click first, then wait for
> > > faceID to fail, then click enter passcode, then enter the pascode, then
> > > selct card and then put phone near terminal)
> >
> > My iPhone 8+ has been working just fine, and I have no reason to move on to an iP12, or iP13 just yet.
>
> iPhone 8 Plus, not iPhone 8+.

A tad pedantic. OK iPhone 8 Plus.

> You may have no reason to move on, but in
> the words of Bernard Bailey: “When science discovers the center of the
> universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to find they are not it.”

I will update when it suits me, for now my iP 8 Plus serves me well, and I have no reason to abandon it.
>
>
> There are legitimate reasons people have for buying newer models,
> including better cameras, bezel-less (mostly) screen, dual SIM, 4x4 MIMO
> antennas, larger screens, and faster processors. Sadly, FaceID is the
> only biometric on these newer, larger screen, phones.

I use dedicated cameras. The other stuff is not critical for me, for other folks maybe.
>
>
> > > There should be a way to disable FaceID for say 15 minutes at which
> > > poijt any need for authentication would automatically pop up the
> > > passcode keypad right away.
> >
> > An awkward solution for a non problem.
>
> Actually it would be a clever workaround for a very common problem. And
> it wouldn't require any new hardware.

Then go for it.

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Savageduck

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Savageduck<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote
>> > JF Mezei wrote
>> > > Joerg Lorenz wrote
>> > >
>> > > > Face ID is acceptable in all occupations. You are again spreading
>> > > > FUD
>> > > > and braindead nonsense. Yesterday I explained to you why Touch-ID
>> > > > won't
>> > > > come back.
>> > >
>> > > Heree, face masks requires indoors. So people who work in stores
>> > > always
>> > > have face masks. Same with health care workers.
>> >
>> > ...and this is a problem, why?
>> > >
>> > > I have used Apple Pay very little in the last 1.5 years because using
>> > > actual credit card for tap/pay is easier than fiddling with the
>> > > phone.
>>
>> > Who fiddles with the phone for ApplePay?
>>
>> I use the phone for applepay. I don’t fiddle with it,
>> I take it out of my pocket with the thumb on the
>> home button and wave it at the terminal.
>
> That is what I did before I got my Apple Watch.

But not possible with Face ID iphones when wearing masks.

>> > I use my Apple Watch,
>>
>> Fuck charging that damned thing every night.
>
> I got used to the idea after a few nights.

I never get used to fucked design like that
and I have always hated wearing watches too.

>> > so much simpler than hauling out either a
>> > phone, or diging a card out of my wallet.
>>
>> But farting around charging it every night is far more hassle.

> Once you have a charging routine down it is no hassle at all.

It’s a major hassle having to take the damned thing off ever night.

>> > > If I had still been on 6s, this would be a non issue because of Touch
>> > > ID
>> > > and the fact that on 6s proximity to POS terminal is enough to put it
>> > > into payment mode (with Xs I have to double click first, then wait
>> > > for
>> > > faceID to fail, then click enter passcode, then enter the pascode,
>> > > then
>> > > selct card and then put phone near terminal)
>> >
>> > My iPhone 8+ has been working just fine, and I have no reason to move
>> > on
>> > to an iP12, or iP13 just yet.
>> > >
>> > > There should be a way to disable FaceID for say 15 minutes at which
>> > > poijt any need for authentication would automatically pop up the
>> > > passcode keypad right away.
>> >
>> > An awkward solution for a non problem.
>>
>> It isn't a non problem when you pay for everything using applepay
>> and are required to wear a mask all the time when not at home.
>
> That said, I am still using my iPhone 8+ with TouchID.

Sure but what is being discussed is convenience with Face ID and
masks which many of us have to wear when not at home now.

On 2021-08-24 20:09, nospam wrote:

> actually, it would make it not secure, which would be bad.
>
> if the phone is lost or stolen during that window, *anyone* could make
> multiple purchases.

The suggestion was to disable FaceID temporarily so phone goes right
away to keypad entry for PIN/password. So no purchases possible if phoe
list duringf that time.

In article <TpiVI.91074$Qp7.62192@fx46.iad>, JF Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>
> The suggestion was to disable FaceID temporarily so phone goes right
> away to keypad entry for PIN/password.

it already does that.