In article <sg652j$3le$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sorry for the DM link, but I can't get the full text of the paper right
> now.
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3381630/Time-dump-passwords-weakest-l
> ink-cyber-security-Experts-call-use-fingerprints-make-safer-online.html

that link is from 4.5 years ago and very much outdated.

their claim
€ Average person is thought to have to remember at least 19 passwords

is wrong.

two years ago, lastpass stated that the average person needs to know
approximately 100 passwords, based on how many items their users store.

that is not surprising, given how many web sites people use which
require an account.

it's also why people reuse the same password on most, if not all of
them.

unfortunately, passwords are not going away any time soon.

On 8/25/2021 11:59 AM, RonTheGuy wrote:
> On Aug 25, 2021, Chris wrote
> (in article<news:sg5fn3$j31$3@dont-email.me>):
>>>> A six digit pass code is certainly as secure, but probably more secure
>>>> than FaceID.
>>>
>>> The issue is that it is now simpler and faster to just take credit card
>>> and tap. This isn't about security.
>>
>> It is about security. Biometrics are more secure than PINs, there's no
>> debate about that.
>
> Where do you get your statistics from?

I think he gets them from Sears.

Wilf <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote
> nospam wrote

>> Being slower than regular fingerprint sensors is the best case
>> scenario. The worst is having these in-screen sensors regularly
>> misread your fingerprint, requiring you to give multiple attempts
>> before your phone finally unlocks.

> For me, the more traditional fingerprint sensors (iPhone 6s etc.) rarely
> worked

Only had it fail on my 6s the once, wet finger.

> and I usually ended up using the passcode. I re-entered the fingerprint
> data on many occasions, to no avail.

You must be a freak or wear your fingerprints down somehow.

On 25/08/2021 at 22:03, Rod Speed wrote:
> Wilf <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote
>> nospam wrote
>
>>> Being slower than regular fingerprint sensors is the best case
>>> scenario. The worst is having these in-screen sensors regularly
>>> misread your fingerprint, requiring you to give multiple attempts
>>> before your phone finally unlocks.
>
>> For me, the more traditional fingerprint sensors (iPhone 6s etc.) rarely
>> worked
>
> Only had it fail on my 6s the once, wet finger.
>
>> and I usually ended up using the passcode. I re-entered the fingerprint
>> data on many occasions, to no avail.
>
> You must be a freak or wear your fingerprints down somehow.
>

That's so very kind of you. Yeah, I emery them every night, don't you know.

--
Wilf

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
> Average person is thought to have to remember at least 19 passwords

Average person can remember their phone password.

If you're claiming otherwise, then it's just more proof iOS owners are dumb.

Besides, there are plenty of free open source ad free password management
tools (maybe not on iOS but on real operating systems there are).

On 8/25/2021 2:36 PM, Wilf wrote:
> On 25/08/2021 at 22:03, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Wilf <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote
>>> nospam wrote
>>
>>>>     Being slower than regular fingerprint sensors is the best case
>>>>     scenario. The worst is having these in-screen sensors regularly
>>>>     misread your fingerprint, requiring you to give multiple attempts
>>>>     before your phone finally unlocks.
>>
>>> For me, the more traditional fingerprint sensors (iPhone 6s etc.) rarely
>>> worked
>>
>> Only had it fail on my 6s the once, wet finger.
>>
>>> and I usually ended up using the passcode.  I re-entered the fingerprint
>>> data on many occasions, to no avail.
>>
>> You must be a freak or wear your fingerprints down somehow.
>>
>
> That's so very kind of you.  Yeah, I emery them every night, don't you
> know.

There are some people for whom fingerprint readers don't work well. I
had no problem with the reader on my 6s Plus or my Galaxy Note 9. My
wife's iPhone 7 worked fine but her Galaxy S10E (reader in the power
button) doesn't work well because with the case on the phone it's
difficult to get a finger flat on the sensor.

I traveled to China twice with the same colleague. China scans
fingerprints of all arrivals using technology similar to Livescan. The
scanner never work for her but they work fine for me.

In article <sg6dfo$1io0$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Robin Goodfellow
<Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:

> > Average person is thought to have to remember at least 19 passwords
>
> Average person can remember their phone password.

maybe so, but there's a shitload more passwords to remember than just
the one for the phone.

you've also stated on numerous occasions that you do not use a password
on your phone.

> If you're claiming otherwise, then it's just more proof iOS owners are dumb.

you take the lead on that.

> Besides, there are plenty of free open source ad free password management
> tools

only because people need to remember so many passwords for so many
websites.

you're arguing against yourself.

> (maybe not on iOS but on real operating systems there are).

ios is a real operating system, with many password managers available,
including a multi-platform one that's part of the os itself.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>>> Average person is thought to have to remember at least 19 passwords
>>
>> Average person can remember their phone password.
>
> maybe so, but there's a shitload more passwords to remember than just
> the one for the phone.

Agreed, and I personally probably have hundreds of em, but as I said, nobody
easily forgets the password on a phone that they use day in and day out.

> you've also stated on numerous occasions that you do not use a password
> on your phone.

Apple security is weakest from the Internet threat so Apple, naturally,
advertises only where Apple is stronger, which is the threat of someone
chasing after you and knocking you on the ground to pull the phone from your
dying grasp.

Apple fools idiots like you into thinking the bigger threat is that which
will almost never happen to the vast majority - while ignoring the Internet
threat (nobody has more zero-day holes found every day than does Apple).

Apple is smart by focusing only on where they're stronger.
It's Apple's customer who is stupid because they believe that's the threat.

It's not.
The Internet is the threat.

>> If you're claiming otherwise, then it's just more proof iOS owners are dumb.
>
> you take the lead on that.

In your desperation to defend the huge weaknesses in Apple's implementation,
you resort to childishness which betrays your awareness of those iOS flaws.

>> Besides, there are plenty of free open source ad free password management
>> tools
>
> only because people need to remember so many passwords for so many
> websites.
>
> you're arguing against yourself.

You didn't understand in the least that most people don't easily forget
their phone password even as they may have hundreds of web site passwords.
>> (maybe not on iOS but on real operating systems there are).
>
> ios is a real operating system, with many password managers available,
> including a multi-platform one that's part of the os itself.

The biggest problem with iOS is that it's _not_ a real operating system.
In fact, it's the huge limitations of iOS that make iOS only a toy OS.

Hell, iOS can't even easily delete a folder (see the thread on Apple101).
iOS can't even list out the installed programs to an editable text file.

There's no difference really between Chrome OS and iOS in terms of choice.

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
> JF Mezei wrote
>> sms wrote

>>> A six digit pass code is certainly as secure,
>>> but probably more secure than FaceID.

>> The issue is that it is now simpler and faster to just
>> take credit card and tap. This isn't about security.

Or use an iphone with Touch ID.

> BTW: Apple and Google are not welcome to be part
> of the financial system and converting to parabanks.

Only by fools that don’t have a clue.

> They are becoming really dangerous

Bullshit.

> and monopolistic.

More bullshit. You are free to use existing banks if you prefer.

> This constitutes an enormous risk for the society and the economy.

Bullshit.

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote
>> sms wrote

>>> A six digit pass code is certainly as secure,
>>> but probably more secure than FaceID.

>> The issue is that it is now simpler and faster to just
>> take credit card and tap. This isn't about security.

Yes it is with the more dodgy merchants.
> It is about security. Biometrics are more secure
> than PINs, there's no debate about that.

And there isn't even a PIN when you wave the contactless card at
the terminal and no PIN is required if you use a Touch ID iphone.

Wilf <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Wilf <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote
>>> nospam wrote
>>>> Being slower than regular fingerprint sensors is the best case
>>>> scenario. The worst is having these in-screen sensors regularly
>>>> misread your fingerprint, requiring you to give multiple attempts
>>>> before your phone finally unlocks.
>>> For me, the more traditional fingerprint
>>> sensors (iPhone 6s etc.) rarely worked
>> Only had it fail on my 6s the once, wet finger.
>>> and I usually ended up using the passcode. I re-entered
>>> the fingerprint data on many occasions, to no avail.
>> You must be a freak or wear your fingerprints down somehow.

> That's so very kind of you.

You must be a freak if nothing wears your fingerprints down.
Or your 6s is faulty.

> Yeah, I emery them every night, don't you know.

Some work does wear fingerprints down.

Am 26.08.21 um 08:09 schrieb Rod Speed:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
>> They are becoming really dangerous
>
> Bullshit.
>
>> and monopolistic.
>
> More bullshit. You are free to use existing banks if you prefer.
>
>> This constitutes an enormous risk for the society and the economy.
>
> Bullshit.

Fact is: Google and Apple play no relevant role in the financial system
outside the US. And they probably never will.

With the backdoor on iOS-devices Apple committed suicide anyway.

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
> Touch ID Not Returning With iPhone 13
> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/23/iphone-13-no-touch-id-under-display/
>
> "The global health crisis and daily wearing of a face mask increased demand
> for Touch ID, as Face ID doesn't work while a user is wearing a face
> covering."
>
> "The second-generation iPhone SE is currently the only iPhone within the
> lineup that features Touch ID, but it has made a recent reappearance in the
> iPad. With the latest-generation iPad Air, Apple engineers were able to
> embed Touch ID into the Power Button."
>

Maybe this is why we are being forced to use facial recognition and have
our phones scanned.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/08/25/federal-facial-recognition-expansion/

In article <sg81sd$pqp$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe this is why we are being forced to use facial recognition and have
> our phones scanned.
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/08/25/federal-facial-recognition-expansion/

nope. that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with face id on
iphones.

Am 26.08.21 um 14:36 schrieb badgolferman:
> Maybe this is why we are being forced to use facial recognition and have
> our phones scanned.
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/08/25/federal-facial-recognition-expansion/

Hä?
You understood exactly nothing of this article.

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

On 2021-08-26 02:39, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

> Fact is: Google and Apple play no relevant role in the financial system
> outside the US. And they probably never will.

Apple plays a major role in the Irish banking system since it has forced
irish banks to build bigger and bigger piggy banks and hire all
leprechauins available to count all the coins Apple has deposited in
Ireland totalling hundreds of billions. :-)

For Apple Pay, Apple isn't "in" the financial system, but plays a major
role a service provider to "print" credit cards onto Phones and collect
percentage of transactions.

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote

>>> They are becoming really dangerous

>> Bullshit.

>>> and monopolistic.

>> More bullshit. You are free to use existing banks if you prefer.

>>> This constitutes an enormous risk for the society and the economy.

>> Bullshit.

> Fact is: Google and Apple play no relevant
> role in the financial system outside the US.

That’s bullshit with ApplePay and GooglePay.

> And they probably never will.

Bullshit.

> With the backdoor on iOS-devices Apple committed suicide anyway.

There is no backdoor and I bet it has no effect on the sales of
apple products given that google does much worse snooping.

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
> NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote

>> Touch ID Not Returning With iPhone 13
>> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/23/iphone-13-no-touch-id-under-display/
>>
>> "The global health crisis and daily wearing of a face mask increased
>> demand
>> for Touch ID, as Face ID doesn't work while a user is wearing a face
>> covering."
>>
>> "The second-generation iPhone SE is currently the only iPhone within the
>> lineup that features Touch ID, but it has made a recent reappearance in
>> the
>> iPad. With the latest-generation iPad Air, Apple engineers were able to
>> embed Touch ID into the Power Button."

> Maybe this is why we are being forced to use facial recognition

We aren't, you are free to have an SE 2020.

> and have our phones scanned.

> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/08/25/federal-facial-recognition-expansion/