On Mon, 15 Nov 2021 at 09:02:28, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote
(my responses usually follow points raised):
>On 11/15/2021 12:27 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>
>>> Big Al wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cameo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Using the verb "to google" for doing a web search is almost like
>>>>>using the verb "to xerox" for making a copy. Xerox doesn't dominate the
>>>>> world of copy machines the way it used to, but the term is still
>>>>>so widely used that it would be almost always understand.
>>>>> Kleenex
>>> Xerox
>>> Kleenex
>>> Velcro
>>> Jell-o
>>> ...
>>> Here's a list of ~30 more.
>>>
>>>https://www.businessinsider.com/google-taser-xerox-brand-names-generic
>>>-words-2018-5
>> Don't you use a Hoover over there? That would be the top generic
>>name here ...
>
>
>Another one I forgot about. But that's a UK (and perhaps other
>English-speaking coountries) term, and is never (almost never?) used in
>the US.
>
That's interesting - I didn't know Hoover wasn't a common term in US (if
anything, I'd have assumed it was a US company).
>
Jell-o almost unknown in UK. Further complicated by the fact that the
generic term for the dessert made from flavoured coloured diluted
gelatin(e) is in UK jelly, which in US means the substance made from
fruits and sugar that comes in jars and is spread on bread and butter -
which in UK is known as jam (with, for some reason, the exception of
where the source fruit is cranberry or bramble). [Yes, I know UK jam and
US jelly are not identical in all circumstances, but it's an
approximation.]
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Listen, three-eyes, don't you try to out-wierd me, I get stranger things than
you free with my breakfast cereal. (Zaphod Beeblebrox in the link episode)

On 11/16/2021 2:43 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Nov 2021 at 09:02:28, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote
> (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>On 11/15/2021 12:27 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Big Al wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cameo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Using the verb "to google" for doing a web search is almost like
>>>>>>using the verb "to xerox" for making a copy. Xerox doesn't dominate the
>>>>>> world of copy machines the way it used to, but the term is still
>>>>>>so widely used that it would be almost always understand.
>>>>>> Kleenex
>>>> Xerox
>>>> Kleenex
>>>> Velcro
>>>> Jell-o
>>>> ...
>>>> Here's a list of ~30 more.
>>>>
>>>>https://www.businessinsider.com/google-taser-xerox-brand-names-generic
>>>>-words-2018-5
>>> Don't you use a Hoover over there? That would be the top generic
>>>name here ...
>>
>>
>>Another one I forgot about. But that's a UK (and perhaps other
>>English-speaking coountries) term, and is never (almost never?) used in
>>the US.
>>
> That's interesting - I didn't know Hoover wasn't a common term in US (if
> anything, I'd have assumed it was a US company).

Yes, it is, or at least was. The brand name is well known here, but it
never became a verb the way it did in the UK.

--
Ken

On Mon, 15 Nov 2021 at 12:21:51, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote
(my responses usually follow points raised):
[]
>By the way, another one just crossed my mind: Band-Aid
>
Yes. Meaning that the charity music concert of that name lost a lot of
its impact in UK.

(To some extent, I think the UK "brand-generic" for such things was then
Elastoplast, but it was - probably due to its relative clumsiness -
never as universal as Band-Aid is in US, and the generic "a plaster" was
probably as common.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Listen, three-eyes, don't you try to out-wierd me, I get stranger things than
you free with my breakfast cereal. (Zaphod Beeblebrox in the link episode)

On 11/15/2021 8:27 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Char Jackson wrote:
>
>> Big Al wrote:
>>
>>> Cameo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Using the verb "to google" for doing a web search is almost like
>>>> using the verb "to xerox" for making a copy. Xerox doesn't dominate the
>>>> world of copy machines the way it used to, but the term is still so
>>>> widely used that it would be almost always understand.
>>>> Kleenex
>>
>> Xerox
>> Kleenex
>> Velcro
>> Jell-o
>> ...
>>
>> Here's a list of ~30 more.
>> https://www.businessinsider.com/google-taser-xerox-brand-names-generic-words-2018-5
>>
>
> Don't you use a Hoover over there?  That would be the top generic name
> here ...

I think in the US people think of Prez Hoover first when they hear that
name.

Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On 11/15/2021 12:27 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>  Don't you use a Hoover over there?  That would be the top generic
>>>> name here ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Another one I forgot about.  But that's a UK (and perhaps other
>>> English-speaking coountries) term, and is never (almost never?) used
>>> in the US.
>>>
>> That's interesting - I didn't know Hoover wasn't a common term in US (if
>> anything, I'd have assumed it was a US company).
>
>
> Yes, it is, or at least was. The brand name is well known here, but it
> never became a verb the way it did in the UK.
>
I've only heard the 'Hoover' term as a verb form and it was a long time ago.
As an 9th grader I and a few other youngster(older and same age) had a
job for the church(cleaning the church facilities). My boss J.R.
Rigelski always used the term 'hoover' instead of 'vacuum'.
J.R. born in the U.S. with parents who emigrated from Poland in 1896.

Hooover, fyi...is now owned by Haier, a Chinese multinational Corp.

--
....w¡ñ§±¤ñ

On 11/11/2021 6:16 AM, Cameo wrote:
> Windows has some nice landscape wallpapers but I don't know how to find
> out where they were shot. Is there a way to find out?
>

windows extract stock wallpapers - Google Search
https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+extract+stock+wallpapers

I suspect those wallpapers are copy-righted??? :)

Ken Blake wrote:
> On 11/15/2021 11:42 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 11/15/2021 11:27 AM, Cameo wrote:
>>> On 11/15/2021 4:47 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On 11/14/2021 4:21 PM, Big Al wrote:
>>>>> On 11/14/21 5:17 PM, this is what Cameo wrote:
>>>>>>> Using the verb "to google" for doing a web search is almost like
>>>>>>> using the verb "to xerox" for making a copy. Xerox doesn't
>>>>>>> dominate the world of copy machines the way it used to, but the
>>>>>>> term is still so widely used that it would be almost always
>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Kleenex
>>>>
>>>> Yes, thanks. I knew there was another common example I wanted to
>>>> mention, but I couldn't think of it.
>>>>
>>>> Frigidaire used to be another example, but it's rarely used for
>>>> "refrigerator" these days. Victrola is another one no longer common.
>>>
>>> Fridge is used as its shorter version though.
>>
>>
>> I can't be sure, but I think "fridge" is short for "reFRIGErator," not
>> "Frigidaire."
>>
>> Also I think "fridge" is much common in the UK than in the US.
>
>
> By the way, another one just crossed my mind: Band-Aid
>
Don't forget a few others - Taser, Q-Tips, Wite-Out, Velcro, Frisbee....

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msft mvp 2007-2020

On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 18:07:20 -0500, Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 11/10/21 5:16 PM, this is what Cameo wrote:
>> Windows has some nice landscape wallpapers but I don't know how to find out where they were shot. Is there a way to find out?
>I've gone to google images and there is a little camera icon in the search box. Click it, and it will allow you to upload a photo and it
>will then search for similar images on the web. It won't tell you where it is, but maybe one of the finds will tell you.

When using that option Google Images also gives you the original URL
which often give further information.

Definitely not foolproof but a great resource!!

On Mon, 15 Nov 2021 09:02:28 -0700, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com>
wrote:

>> Don't you use a Hoover over there? That would be the top generic name here ...
>
>
>Another one I forgot about. But that's a UK (and perhaps other
>English-speaking coountries) term, and is never (almost never?) used in
>the US.
>
>
Dunno but I've heard that usage in Canada

On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 23:23:53 +0100, Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid>
wrote:

>I think in the US people think of Prez Hoover first when they hear that
>name.

In my generation they would have thought of the FBI chief...

On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 10:39:07 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Don't forget a few others - Taser, Q-Tips, Wite-Out, Velcro, Frisbee....

The difference of course being that all of these except for the first
one are household / office products.

(At least I hope so!)

J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Nov 2021 at 09:02:28, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote
> (my responses usually follow points raised):
>> On 11/15/2021 12:27 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Char Jackson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Big Al wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cameo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Using the verb "to google" for doing a web search is almost like
>>>>>> using the verb "to xerox" for making a copy. Xerox doesn't dominate the
>>>>>> world of copy machines the way it used to, but the term is still
>>>>>> so widely used that it would be almost always understand.
>>>>>> Kleenex
>>>> Xerox
>>>> Kleenex
>>>> Velcro
>>>> Jell-o
>>>> ...
>>>> Here's a list of ~30 more.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/google-taser-xerox-brand-names-generic
>>>> -words-2018-5
>>> Don't you use a Hoover over there? That would be the top generic
>>> name here ...
>>
>>
>> Another one I forgot about. But that's a UK (and perhaps other
>> English-speaking coountries) term, and is never (almost never?) used in
>> the US.
>>
> That's interesting - I didn't know Hoover wasn't a common term in US (if
> anything, I'd have assumed it was a US company).
>>
> Jell-o almost unknown in UK.

Yep. Only known through films/tv.

> Further complicated by the fact that the
> generic term for the dessert made from flavoured coloured diluted
> gelatin(e) is in UK jelly, which in US means the substance made from
> fruits and sugar that comes in jars and is spread on bread and butter -
> which in UK is known as jam (with, for some reason, the exception of
> where the source fruit is cranberry or bramble).

I think that's because bramble/cranberry jelly are different to other UK
fruit jams: they don't have any bits in them. You can also get bramble jam
with bits in.

There's also mint jelly which UKers have with lamb.

> [Yes, I know UK jam and
> US jelly are not identical in all circumstances, but it's an
> approximation.]

The other big UK/US difference is "Band-aid". It has no generic meaning
here. It's also an uncommon brand so difficult to guess what it's referring
to.

...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 11/15/2021 11:42 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On 11/15/2021 11:27 AM, Cameo wrote:
>>>> On 11/15/2021 4:47 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>> On 11/14/2021 4:21 PM, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/14/21 5:17 PM, this is what Cameo wrote:
>>>>>>>> Using the verb "to google" for doing a web search is almost like
>>>>>>>> using the verb "to xerox" for making a copy. Xerox doesn't
>>>>>>>> dominate the world of copy machines the way it used to, but the
>>>>>>>> term is still so widely used that it would be almost always
>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kleenex
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, thanks. I knew there was another common example I wanted to
>>>>> mention, but I couldn't think of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frigidaire used to be another example, but it's rarely used for
>>>>> "refrigerator" these days. Victrola is another one no longer common.
>>>>
>>>> Fridge is used as its shorter version though.
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't be sure, but I think "fridge" is short for "reFRIGErator," not
>>> "Frigidaire."
>>>
>>> Also I think "fridge" is much common in the UK than in the US.
>>
>>
>> By the way, another one just crossed my mind: Band-Aid
>>
> Don't forget a few others - Taser, Q-Tips,

>Wite-Out,

That's Tippex here

> Velcro, Frisbee....
>