On 2022-02-21 4:41 p.m., Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 2/21/22 10:16, rabidR04CH wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Three version of Windows 95 as far as I know. You have the original,
>> one which added IE and then one which added USB support as far as I
>> recall.
>
> Mine was OSR2, which introduced DOS7.1 / FAT32, with USB support.
>
> [snip]

OK, so I might have gotten the order wrong. I figured the USB support
came after the IE bundling.

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On 2022-02-21 8:02 p.m., Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2022-02-21, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, I love Linux too, but for a desktop machine, it's gotta be
>> Win11.
>
> Not for me. Linux on the desktop here for over 20 years. Windows 11
> from what I can see is a nightmare. I have no desire to go where
> Microsoft would lead me.

Windows for me is a necessity to play games. If I didn't play anything
anymore, I doubt that I would use anything other than Linux. I'm
comfortable enough with it to make it my daily operating system.

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Ant wrote:
> In alt.comp.microsoft.windows rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>> On 2022-02-19 11:57 p.m., ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> rabidR04CH wrote:
>>>> On 2022-02-19 2:37 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote: (..snipped)
>>>> I used to get upset by a lot of this stuff, mostly because the default
>>>> conservative position on such thing is "surveillance bad." However,
>>>> getting things at no charge unlike how it used to be where even
>>>> upgrading from a small version increment was likely to cost money
>>>> (Windows 3.0 to 3.1, for example and I believe that the Second Edition
>>>> of Windows 98 was also a paid upgrade from the original), I don't mind
>>>> a little bit of anonymous surveillance to pay for a product with would
>>>> otherwise set me back a few hundred. There should, however, be a way
>>>> to pay Microsoft in exchange for removing some of this functionality
>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Win98SE was initially OEM only(new pcs).
>>> Shortly thereafter IE5 was available to the business and consume
>>> community as an upgrade to IE4 - 98SE 'rebranded' as an interim release
>>> was made available for W98 systems with/included in IE5 - the three
>>> biggest features were better USB support, DVD support and Internet
>>> Connection Sharing(two 98SE devices sharing the same internet connection)
>
>> So the upgrade to IE5 turned a regular Windows 98 to SE? I don't recall
>> that being the case but that might be accurate.
>
> Yeah, that didn't happen.
>
Yes, got it backwards.
Looked at my archive of Windows files - I added IE5 on a Win98SE CD
and labelled it - IE5 w 98SE.
IE5 was released on March 18 1999, 98SE 13 days earlier.

I also have from MSFT MSDN/Technet a 98SE with IE5(dated July 1999).

Sorry for the confusion.

Lol...it's time to clean out a few more no longer needed archived exe/iso's.

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"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote

|
| The desktop still has relevance to the consumer market. Microsoft is
| nowhere near losing its dominance, there. Apple has made some
| inroads, but its offerings are expensive, and simply don't have the
| wealth of available software that Windows does.
|

The desktop is fading fast outside of office work. Even
college students now usually prefer laptops, so they can
work at Starbucks. And most of them are not computer
literate. Macs are expensive, it's true, but
their share is growing. A growing number of people only
need a phone and maybe an e-book reader. At my local
Staples store, there's a big table of Google-ish tablets.
There are also a few Windows laptops, but they're not cheap.
Desktops? I think they have 3. Shrunken Compaq or HP
crap or some such.

I write software and do web design. I wrote my own code editor.
I edit photos. I write a bit. I email. I manage business tasks like
writing out estimates and receipts, doing my taxes, etc. And I
spend a fair amount of time online, reading news and researching
ideas. I have maybe 35 VBScripts and HTAs on my desktop that
I use for all sorts of tasks. My computer is a customized workshop.

If Microsoft are going to force people into a spyware kiosk
system I'll be better off on Linux. I won't have the software or
usability of WinXP/7. But neither do Win10/11. I have a Win10
computer now. I only use it for Zoom. The woman I live with
uses it for Office 365, for her work, because Microsoft make
great efforts to ensure that their office file formats will break in
older software. There's nothing else I want Win10 for. It's
bloated, slow spyware. I've had a heck of a time just trying to
stop auto-updating. I think I've accomplished it, then I boot
to a hairpulling message that tells me to wait because Microsoft
is using my computer!

I can now have Linux on a Raspberry Pi, with ergonomic keyboard
and mouse, for a bit over $100. If trends keep up then I expect
that's what I'll end up using. I'll retire my workshop and only use
a computer for online reading/research and email.

On 2022-02-22 08:39, Mayayana wrote:
> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote
>
> |
> | The desktop still has relevance to the consumer market. Microsoft is
> | nowhere near losing its dominance, there. Apple has made some
> | inroads, but its offerings are expensive, and simply don't have the
> | wealth of available software that Windows does.
> |
>
> The desktop is fading fast outside of office work. Even
> college students now usually prefer laptops, so they can
> work at Starbucks.

They all want to write the next great screenplay despite having no
imagination and even less life experience.

> And most of them are not computer
> literate. Macs are expensive, it's true, but
> their share is growing. A growing number of people only
> need a phone and maybe an e-book reader. At my local
> Staples store, there's a big table of Google-ish tablets.
> There are also a few Windows laptops, but they're not cheap.
> Desktops? I think they have 3. Shrunken Compaq or HP
> crap or some such.
>
> I write software and do web design. I wrote my own code editor.
> I edit photos. I write a bit. I email. I manage business tasks like
> writing out estimates and receipts, doing my taxes, etc. And I
> spend a fair amount of time online, reading news and researching
> ideas. I have maybe 35 VBScripts and HTAs on my desktop that
> I use for all sorts of tasks. My computer is a customized workshop.
>
> If Microsoft are going to force people into a spyware kiosk
> system I'll be better off on Linux. I won't have the software or
> usability of WinXP/7. But neither do Win10/11. I have a Win10
> computer now. I only use it for Zoom. The woman I live with
> uses it for Office 365, for her work, because Microsoft make
> great efforts to ensure that their office file formats will break in
> older software. There's nothing else I want Win10 for. It's
> bloated, slow spyware. I've had a heck of a time just trying to
> stop auto-updating. I think I've accomplished it, then I boot
> to a hairpulling message that tells me to wait because Microsoft
> is using my computer!
>
> I can now have Linux on a Raspberry Pi, with ergonomic keyboard
> and mouse, for a bit over $100. If trends keep up then I expect
> that's what I'll end up using. I'll retire my workshop and only use
> a computer for online reading/research and email.

I would tell you that it's best to decide what you primarily intend to
use the computer for and then decide which operating system best suits
your needs. I have two machines: one is recent and intended for gaming
so it runs Windows where my collection is readily available; the other
_was_ a decent gaming laptop which is now too old to be so and has
become a Linux workstation. I could keep Windows 10 on it and use it
without issue until the EOL of the version but what's the point? Linux
has no such EOL.

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On 2022-02-22 08:39, Mayayana wrote:
> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote
>
> |
> | The desktop still has relevance to the consumer market. Microsoft is
> | nowhere near losing its dominance, there. Apple has made some
> | inroads, but its offerings are expensive, and simply don't have the
> | wealth of available software that Windows does.
> |
>
> The desktop is fading fast outside of office work. Even
> college students now usually prefer laptops, so they can
> work at Starbucks.

Good thing I'm not a college student. I hate Starbucks coffee and I
would never want a laptop except for traveling.

By the way, there were no laptops (or any kind of PCs) back when I was
a college student, but don't students take their laptops to classes
and use them there to take notes?

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 01:02:27 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
<rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:

>On 2022-02-21, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, I love Linux too, but for a desktop machine, it's gotta be
>> Win11.
>
>Not for me. Linux on the desktop here for over 20 years.

That's fine. Each to his own.

For others, it's Macintosh, but for me it's Windows 11.

>Windows 11
>from what I can see is a nightmare.

You can undoubtedly find many people who would agree with that (there
are always many people who find any new version of Windows--or other
software--to be a nightmare), but not me. I've been using it since the
day it was released, and it's been fine

>I have no desire to go where
>Microsoft would lead me.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 21:31:20 -0500, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

>On 2022-02-21 8:02 p.m., Roger Blake wrote:
>> On 2022-02-21, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yeah, I love Linux too, but for a desktop machine, it's gotta be
>>> Win11.
>>
>> Not for me. Linux on the desktop here for over 20 years. Windows 11
>> from what I can see is a nightmare. I have no desire to go where
>> Microsoft would lead me.
>
>Windows for me is a necessity to play games.

I'll just add to my previous message in this thread. I like Windows
fine, but I play no games.

>If I didn't play anything
>anymore, I doubt that I would use anything other than Linux. I'm
>comfortable enough with it to make it my daily operating system.

On 2022-02-22 10:55, Ken Blake wrote:
>
> On 2022-02-22 08:39, Mayayana wrote:
>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> |
>> | The desktop still has relevance to the consumer market. Microsoft is
>> | nowhere near losing its dominance, there. Apple has made some
>> | inroads, but its offerings are expensive, and simply don't have the
>> | wealth of available software that Windows does.
>> |
>>
>> The desktop is fading fast outside of office work. Even
>> college students now usually prefer laptops, so they can
>> work at Starbucks.
>
>
> Good thing I'm not a college student. I hate Starbucks coffee and I
> would never want a laptop except for traveling.

I just recently tasted Starbucks coffee for the first time and I have to
say that it is some of the worst I've ever had, down there with Kicking
Horse and Folgers.

> By the way, there were no laptops (or any kind of PCs) back when I was
> a college student, but don't students take their laptops to classes
> and use them there to take notes?

Taking notes with them is much more convenient than a pad and paper,
that's for sure. I speak from experience having bought an iBook in my
last year of University.

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On 2022-02-22 11:00, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 01:02:27 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
> <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-21, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yeah, I love Linux too, but for a desktop machine, it's gotta be
>>> Win11.
>>
>> Not for me. Linux on the desktop here for over 20 years.
>
>
> That's fine. Each to his own.
>
> For others, it's Macintosh, but for me it's Windows 11.
>
>
>> Windows 11
>>from what I can see is a nightmare.
>
>
> You can undoubtedly find many people who would agree with that (there
> are always many people who find any new version of Windows--or other
> software--to be a nightmare), but not me. I've been using it since the
> day it was released, and it's been fine

Absolutely correct. I wanted to be able to say that Windows 11 was fine
for me as well and it is definitely better than 10, but since it keeps
returning some idiotic Star menu issue, I can't say that it's perfect.
You can't imagine how annoying it is to press the Start button and not
have the menu appear or only appear after you click like 50 times in a
row. I don't know what causes it but there doesn't seem to be a way to
fix it... not sfc, no restorehealth, no settings, no software removal, etc..

Here's a link about the problem but none of the fixes actually ever work.

<https://techpp.com/2022/02/10/windows-11-start-menu-not-working-fix/>

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In article <7l1a1hl2sbq4qj8cfo3behqbsge15mkuca@4ax.com>, Ken Blake
<Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> By the way, there were no laptops (or any kind of PCs) back when I was
> a college student, but don't students take their laptops to classes
> and use them there to take notes?

much more than just take notes, including whatever projects they are
working on.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 11:17:47 -0500, rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> wrote:

>On 2022-02-22 10:55, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-02-22 08:39, Mayayana wrote:
>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>> |
>>> | The desktop still has relevance to the consumer market. Microsoft is
>>> | nowhere near losing its dominance, there. Apple has made some
>>> | inroads, but its offerings are expensive, and simply don't have the
>>> | wealth of available software that Windows does.
>>> |
>>>
>>> The desktop is fading fast outside of office work. Even
>>> college students now usually prefer laptops, so they can
>>> work at Starbucks.
>>
>>
>> Good thing I'm not a college student. I hate Starbucks coffee and I
>> would never want a laptop except for traveling.
>
>I just recently tasted Starbucks coffee for the first time and I have to
>say that it is some of the worst I've ever had, down there with Kicking
>Horse and Folgers.
>
>> By the way, there were no laptops (or any kind of PCs) back when I was
>> a college student, but don't students take their laptops to classes
>> and use them there to take notes?
>
>Taking notes with them is much more convenient than a pad and paper,
>that's for sure. I speak from experience having bought an iBook in my
>last year of University.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 11:17:47 -0500, rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> wrote:

>On 2022-02-22 10:55, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-02-22 08:39, Mayayana wrote:
>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>> |
>>> | The desktop still has relevance to the consumer market. Microsoft is
>>> | nowhere near losing its dominance, there. Apple has made some
>>> | inroads, but its offerings are expensive, and simply don't have the
>>> | wealth of available software that Windows does.
>>> |
>>>
>>> The desktop is fading fast outside of office work. Even
>>> college students now usually prefer laptops, so they can
>>> work at Starbucks.
>>
>>
>> Good thing I'm not a college student. I hate Starbucks coffee and I
>> would never want a laptop except for traveling.
>
>I just recently tasted Starbucks coffee for the first time and I have to
>say that it is some of the worst I've ever had, down there with Kicking
>Horse and Folgers.

I don't know Kicking Horse or Folgers, but to me, Starbucks is not
"some of the worst," it's *THE* worst I've ever had.

>> By the way, there were no laptops (or any kind of PCs) back when I was
>> a college student, but don't students take their laptops to classes
>> and use them there to take notes?
>
>Taking notes with them is much more convenient than a pad and paper,
>that's for sure. I speak from experience having bought an iBook in my
>last year of University.

That's what I thought. When I was secretary of a local group, I used
to take notes for the minutes of our board meetings on my laptop.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 11:21:07 -0500, rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> wrote:

>On 2022-02-22 11:00, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 01:02:27 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
>> <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-02-21, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Yeah, I love Linux too, but for a desktop machine, it's gotta be
>>>> Win11.
>>>
>>> Not for me. Linux on the desktop here for over 20 years.
>>
>>
>> That's fine. Each to his own.
>>
>> For others, it's Macintosh, but for me it's Windows 11.
>>
>>
>>> Windows 11
>>>from what I can see is a nightmare.
>>
>>
>> You can undoubtedly find many people who would agree with that (there
>> are always many people who find any new version of Windows--or other
>> software--to be a nightmare), but not me. I've been using it since the
>> day it was released, and it's been fine
>
>Absolutely correct.

Absolutely correct for me, and apparently for you as well, but not for
everybody.

>I wanted to be able to say that Windows 11 was fine
>for me as well and it is definitely better than 10,

I agree, but again, not everyone would.

>but since it keeps
>returning some idiotic Star menu issue, I can't say that it's perfect.

Of course it's not perfect. No piece of software is perfect. If I were
in charge at Microsoft, I'd make umpteen changes. You would make
umpteen other changes, a third person would make still others... We're
all different, and what's perfect for one of us isn't perfect for
others.

>You can't imagine how annoying it is to press the Start button and not
>have the menu appear or only appear after you click like 50 times in a
>row. I don't know what causes it but there doesn't seem to be a way to
>fix it... not sfc, no restorehealth, no settings, no software removal, etc..

No such problem here.

>Here's a link about the problem but none of the fixes actually ever work.
>
><https://techpp.com/2022/02/10/windows-11-start-menu-not-working-fix/>

On 2022-02-22 12:02, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 11:17:47 -0500, rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-22 10:55, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2022-02-22 08:39, Mayayana wrote:
>>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>> |
>>>> | The desktop still has relevance to the consumer market. Microsoft is
>>>> | nowhere near losing its dominance, there. Apple has made some
>>>> | inroads, but its offerings are expensive, and simply don't have the
>>>> | wealth of available software that Windows does.
>>>> |
>>>>
>>>> The desktop is fading fast outside of office work. Even
>>>> college students now usually prefer laptops, so they can
>>>> work at Starbucks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Good thing I'm not a college student. I hate Starbucks coffee and I
>>> would never want a laptop except for traveling.
>>
>> I just recently tasted Starbucks coffee for the first time and I have to
>> say that it is some of the worst I've ever had, down there with Kicking
>> Horse and Folgers.
>
>
> I don't know Kicking Horse or Folgers, but to me, Starbucks is not
> "some of the worst," it's *THE* worst I've ever had.

If ever you're forced to drink Kicking Horse, expect a total lack of
flavour. As for Folgers, there's a reason it's usually the least
expensive coffee you'll find in the supermarket: none of its flavours
should be anywhere near anything calling itself coffee.

>>> By the way, there were no laptops (or any kind of PCs) back when I was
>>> a college student, but don't students take their laptops to classes
>>> and use them there to take notes?
>>
>> Taking notes with them is much more convenient than a pad and paper,
>> that's for sure. I speak from experience having bought an iBook in my
>> last year of University.
>
>
> That's what I thought. When I was secretary of a local group, I used
> to take notes for the minutes of our board meetings on my laptop.

It's a lot faster than writing, that's for sure and you're not likely to
suffer wrist strain like I used to when typing as opposed to writing.
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"Ken Blake" <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote

>
Good thing I'm not a college student. I hate Starbucks coffee and I
would never want a laptop except for traveling.
>
Me, too. Starbucks originally had high quality coffee, but
I didn't like it because it was burnt. Today it's just watery. But
I rarely buy any food out, anyway. My own cooking --
and coffee -- are better, cheaper, and don't produce non-recyclable
debris.

>
By the way, there were no laptops (or any kind of PCs) back when I was
a college student, but don't students take their laptops to classes
and use them there to take notes?
>

Apparently. From what I can gather, they're forced to buy
MS Office. Or these days they're assigned to work either
from Google Docs or Office 365. It's mostly online.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:10:26 -0500, rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> wrote:

>On 2022-02-22 12:02, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 11:17:47 -0500, rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-02-22 10:55, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-22 08:39, Mayayana wrote:
>>>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> |
>>>>> | The desktop still has relevance to the consumer market. Microsoft is
>>>>> | nowhere near losing its dominance, there. Apple has made some
>>>>> | inroads, but its offerings are expensive, and simply don't have the
>>>>> | wealth of available software that Windows does.
>>>>> |
>>>>>
>>>>> The desktop is fading fast outside of office work. Even
>>>>> college students now usually prefer laptops, so they can
>>>>> work at Starbucks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good thing I'm not a college student. I hate Starbucks coffee and I
>>>> would never want a laptop except for traveling.
>>>
>>> I just recently tasted Starbucks coffee for the first time and I have to
>>> say that it is some of the worst I've ever had, down there with Kicking
>>> Horse and Folgers.
>>
>>
>> I don't know Kicking Horse or Folgers, but to me, Starbucks is not
>> "some of the worst," it's *THE* worst I've ever had.
>
>If ever you're forced to drink Kicking Horse, expect a total lack of
>flavour.

That sounds much better than Starbucks. The problem with Starbucks is
not lack of flavor, it's *too much* flavor, and that flavor is burnt
and terrible.

>As for Folgers, there's a reason it's usually the least
>expensive coffee you'll find in the supermarket: none of its flavours
>should be anywhere near anything calling itself coffee.
>
>>>> By the way, there were no laptops (or any kind of PCs) back when I was
>>>> a college student, but don't students take their laptops to classes
>>>> and use them there to take notes?
>>>
>>> Taking notes with them is much more convenient than a pad and paper,
>>> that's for sure. I speak from experience having bought an iBook in my
>>> last year of University.
>>
>>
>> That's what I thought. When I was secretary of a local group, I used
>> to take notes for the minutes of our board meetings on my laptop.
>
>It's a lot faster than writing, that's for sure

If you say that, you must be a touch typist. I'm not.

>and you're not likely to
>suffer wrist strain like I used to when typing as opposed to writing.

On 2022-02-22 12:27, Mayayana wrote:
> "Ken Blake" <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
>
>
>>
> Good thing I'm not a college student. I hate Starbucks coffee and I
> would never want a laptop except for traveling.
>>
> Me, too. Starbucks originally had high quality coffee, but
> I didn't like it because it was burnt. Today it's just watery. But
> I rarely buy any food out, anyway. My own cooking --
> and coffee -- are better, cheaper, and don't produce non-recyclable
> debris.

All I can say for sure on my side is that Starbucks coffee was anything
but impressive and I have to wonder why people insist, daily, to spend
money there.

>>
> By the way, there were no laptops (or any kind of PCs) back when I was
> a college student, but don't students take their laptops to classes
> and use them there to take notes?
>>
>
> Apparently. From what I can gather, they're forced to buy
> MS Office. Or these days they're assigned to work either
> from Google Docs or Office 365. It's mostly online.

To collaborate on documents, what Google and Microsoft offer to
educational establishments is incomparable. There is nothing open-source
that compares favorably so I can imagine why they use it. Additionally,
Microsoft and Google benefit by selling these services at a small fee
because by the end of their university years, the students will have
written a bunch of documents in their format and gotten accustomed to
the interface of the software, rendering them unwilling to even consider
the competition.

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On 2022-02-22 1:06 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:10:26 -0500, rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-22 12:02, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 11:17:47 -0500, rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-22 10:55, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-02-22 08:39, Mayayana wrote:
>>>>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | The desktop still has relevance to the consumer market. Microsoft is
>>>>>> | nowhere near losing its dominance, there. Apple has made some
>>>>>> | inroads, but its offerings are expensive, and simply don't have the
>>>>>> | wealth of available software that Windows does.
>>>>>> |
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The desktop is fading fast outside of office work. Even
>>>>>> college students now usually prefer laptops, so they can
>>>>>> work at Starbucks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good thing I'm not a college student. I hate Starbucks coffee and I
>>>>> would never want a laptop except for traveling.
>>>>
>>>> I just recently tasted Starbucks coffee for the first time and I have to
>>>> say that it is some of the worst I've ever had, down there with Kicking
>>>> Horse and Folgers.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know Kicking Horse or Folgers, but to me, Starbucks is not
>>> "some of the worst," it's *THE* worst I've ever had.
>>
>> If ever you're forced to drink Kicking Horse, expect a total lack of
>> flavour.
>
>
> That sounds much better than Starbucks. The problem with Starbucks is
> not lack of flavor, it's *too much* flavor, and that flavor is burnt
> and terrible.

I don't recall what was wrong with it but know very well that it gave me
pain to know that I had to drink it. I could have thrown it out, but I
paid for it and wanted something with caffeine. I imagine the watery
dirt Starbucks calls coffee at least has caffeine.

>> As for Folgers, there's a reason it's usually the least
>> expensive coffee you'll find in the supermarket: none of its flavours
>> should be anywhere near anything calling itself coffee.
>>
>>>>> By the way, there were no laptops (or any kind of PCs) back when I was
>>>>> a college student, but don't students take their laptops to classes
>>>>> and use them there to take notes?
>>>>
>>>> Taking notes with them is much more convenient than a pad and paper,
>>>> that's for sure. I speak from experience having bought an iBook in my
>>>> last year of University.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's what I thought. When I was secretary of a local group, I used
>>> to take notes for the minutes of our board meetings on my laptop.
>>
>> It's a lot faster than writing, that's for sure
>
>
> If you say that, you must be a touch typist. I'm not.

I don't think that I'm any good at typing. I generally use about three
fingers on each of my hand. I surprise myself with which fingers I
actually use to type. However, my typing style is not one people who
learned how to type properly would be too proud of.

--
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 22:04:06 -0500, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

>They were soon gobbled up by AOL and released Netscape 6 which _no one_
>used because it was slow, even on the best hardware of the time, and did
>nothing to block Internet ads. It became completely irrelevant as a
>company soon thereafter.

There was a Netscape 6? I remember Netscape 5 and used MSIE before
switching to Firefox 1.0...

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:46:57 -0500, rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> wrote:

>However, it's amazing what Microsoft is offering, at a ridiculously low
>price, as far as gaming goes. For less than the cost of Netflix, you get
>access to all of Microsoft's stellar games and others. That, right
>there, is a gigantic step in the right direction.

They pretty much created the computer pinball genre with the 3-D Space
Cadet pinball that came with Win 98 - I remember wasting FAR too much
time on that and the other "pinballs" in that genre before moving on
to other things.

On 29.03.22 0:37, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 22:04:06 -0500, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>> They were soon gobbled up by AOL and released Netscape 6 which _no one_
>> used because it was slow, even on the best hardware of the time, and did
>> nothing to block Internet ads. It became completely irrelevant as a
>> company soon thereafter.
>
> There was a Netscape 6? I remember Netscape 5 and used MSIE before
> switching to Firefox 1.0...
>
have netscape navigater 9.0.0.6 installed just for fun.
It works. Sort of.....
With google for homepage,,,,, Yes.

On 3/28/2022 7:21 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote:
> On 29.03.22 0:37, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 22:04:06 -0500, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> They were soon gobbled up by AOL and released Netscape 6 which _no one_
>>> used because it was slow, even on the best hardware of the time, and did
>>> nothing to block Internet ads. It became completely irrelevant as a
>>> company soon thereafter.
>>
>> There was a Netscape 6? I remember Netscape 5 and used MSIE before
>> switching to Firefox 1.0...
>>
>  have netscape navigater 9.0.0.6 installed just for fun.
> It works. Sort of.....
> With google for homepage,,,,, Yes.

And the code from Netscape was reused in other projects,
so it is not like you have entirely escaped Netscape. Try
looking in a source tarball some time for "ns_" which is
a netscape routine.

Paul

On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 15:37:10 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 22:04:06 -0500, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>>They were soon gobbled up by AOL and released Netscape 6 which _no one_
>>used because it was slow, even on the best hardware of the time, and did
>>nothing to block Internet ads. It became completely irrelevant as a
>>company soon thereafter.
>
>There was a Netscape 6? I remember Netscape 5 and used MSIE before
>switching to Firefox 1.0...

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_(web_browser)>

According to info at that link, yes, there was indeed a Netscape 6, as
well as 7, 8, and 9.

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 22:04:06 -0500, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>> They were soon gobbled up by AOL and released Netscape 6 which _no one_
>> used because it was slow, even on the best hardware of the time, and did
>> nothing to block Internet ads. It became completely irrelevant as a
>> company soon thereafter.
>
> There was a Netscape 6? I remember Netscape 5 and used MSIE before
> switching to Firefox 1.0...

I used netscape 6 for quite a while. it was nice to have the integrated
email client as well.

Ads were not an issue in those days, so not sure why that was raised as a
criticism.

I may have also used netscape 7 briefly, but I moved to this new exciting
browser from mozilla called phoenix. It eventually became firefox :)

Never used IE <spit>