Am 07.03.22 um 06:32 schrieb The Real Bev:
> I just noticed that it claims to be incompatible with
> TB38

Are you surprised? Currently we stand 91.6.2
TB 38 was released in 2016.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird

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On 03/06/2022 10:50 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 07.03.22 um 06:32 schrieb The Real Bev:
>> I just noticed that it claims to be incompatible with
>> TB38
>
> Are you surprised? Currently we stand 91.6.2
> TB 38 was released in 2016.

I had it long before v38. I suppose that happened (if it did) during an
automatic update. I should never have checked that box :-(

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird

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Am 07.03.22 um 08:23 schrieb The Real Bev:
> I had it long before v38. I suppose that happened (if it did) during an
> automatic update. I should never have checked that box :-(

I tried to suggest an update of your dusty TB with lame wings.
And your Linux - I guess - will have about the same age. It is full of
security holes like a Swiss Emmentaler.

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Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Mar 2022 10:11:52 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 17:49:48 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
> ><robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>On 2022-03-06 17:27, Ken Blake wrote:
> >>> On 6 Mar 2022 15:48:39 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> mechanic <mechanic@example.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 20:42:30 -0500, nospam wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <lDVZnXVdBBJiFwOg@a.a>, J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> it's not the device or os that limits it, but rather the email client
> >>>>>> and/or email provider, some of which are only imap.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unfortunately some clients are not very good at it!
> >>>>
> >>>> Indeed. For example in Thunderbird you cannot have a 'Global Inbox',
> >>>> i.e. one Inbox for all mail from several IMAP accounts.
> >>>
> >>> Alas yes.
> >>
> >>You can switch to "Unified" folder view, in which all input folders are
> >>shown grouped and is easier to see which has new email.
> >
> >Thanks. I just did. I'll try it for a while, but I'm not sure it has
> >nay significant advantage for me.
>
> It's only been a few hours, but yes I like it and I think I'll stay
> with it. Thanks again.

I tried it as well, but - as I have many, many folders and subfolders
- it's way too messy for me.

In (View -> Folders ->) 'All' view, the folder list in my folder pane
is just a bit longer than [1] the pane, so I can easily select the
desired top-level folder and open it.

In 'Unified' view the list is some 16 screens long and hence an
absolute pain to navigate.

Which once more shows "Different strokes for different folks!".

[1] It would fit in the pane if Thunderbird could include IMAP accounts
in the 'Global Inbox'! :-(

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 at 22:12:36, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote (my
> responses usually FOLLOW):
> >Am 06.03.22 um 21:55 schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John):
> >> On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 at 09:27:52, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
> >> (my responses usually FOLLOW):
> >> []
> >>> I use IMAP because that's what my e-mail provider provides, but as I
> >>> just said in another message, to me it has no real advantage over
> >>> POP3.
> >>>
> >> Which provider is it that only provides IMAP?
> >
> >Very many. It is too expensive to maintain such an outdated
> >infrastructure and support the users.
>
> The majority of ones I've looked at do still do so. (I suspect the cost
> is fairly minimal.) Sure, they give you the IMAP settings first, may
> even not mention the POP option when setting things up by default.
> >
> >IMAP can do everything POP can and a lot more!
> >
> Just out of curiosity: if someone - for whatever reason, even if only
> perversity - decides he only wants POP functionality, but only has
> access to an IMAP service: _can_ it be constrained to provide POP-like
> functionality, or does it _always_ provide more?

With sufficient kludge/hacks an IMAP e-mail account can mostly be made
to provide POP-like functionality.

While the IMAP *protocol* can indeed do 'everything' the POP protocol
can do, and more, there are aspects outside the protocols, which may
still favour POP over IMAP.

I already gave an example of the 'Global Inbox' (one Inbox for all
mail from several accounts) functionality in Thunderbird [1], which is
only available for POP accounts.

Another example is that you cannot have a single folder structure
accross multiple IMAP servers. In practice that probably means that you
will have to have one 'home' IMAP server which carries all your main
folders and have only Inbox(/Drafts/Sent/etc.) folders on each of the
other non-'home' IMAP servers. It also means that you will have to move
mail from your non-'home' servers to the appropriate folders on your
'home' server. Not a big deal, but also not an advantage of IMAP.

These are some of the issues I've encountered. Maybe there are others,
maybe not.

FWIW, I use a combination of POP and IMAP accounts. Mostly POP,
because of the Global Inbox and single folder structure aspects, and an
IMAP account (because that particular MSP (Mail SP) has a misbehaving
spam filtering system which cannot be turned off)

[1] Other/earlier e-mail clients like Outlook Express, Windows Mail and
Windows Live Mail - and probably many others - had/have similar
functionality.

In article <t05bvk.14k0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank
Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> > >IMAP can do everything POP can and a lot more!
> > >
> > Just out of curiosity: if someone - for whatever reason, even if only
> > perversity - decides he only wants POP functionality, but only has
> > access to an IMAP service: _can_ it be constrained to provide POP-like
> > functionality, or does it _always_ provide more?
>
> With sufficient kludge/hacks an IMAP e-mail account can mostly be made
> to provide POP-like functionality.

documented functionality is not a kludge/hack.

copying mail to a local store, the pop-like functionality that people
frequently mention, is trivial to do with imap, no kludge/hack needed.

the problem is that in doing so, reading email is now limited to only
that one device, in a world where people have numerous devices.

> While the IMAP *protocol* can indeed do 'everything' the POP protocol
> can do, and more, there are aspects outside the protocols, which may
> still favour POP over IMAP.
>
> I already gave an example of the 'Global Inbox' (one Inbox for all
> mail from several accounts) functionality in Thunderbird [1], which is
> only available for POP accounts.

that is a limitation of thunderbird, not pop/imap.

> Another example is that you cannot have a single folder structure
> accross multiple IMAP servers. In practice that probably means that you
> will have to have one 'home' IMAP server which carries all your main
> folders and have only Inbox(/Drafts/Sent/etc.) folders on each of the
> other non-'home' IMAP servers. It also means that you will have to move
> mail from your non-'home' servers to the appropriate folders on your
> 'home' server. Not a big deal, but also not an advantage of IMAP.

that's also a function of the email client, not pop/imap, and without
the need for a 'home server'.

On 3/6/2022 8:20 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

> Regardless of whether you use IMAP or POP3, if you do regular backups,
> it is ALSO on the backup media. If you don't do regular backups to
> eternal media, you're playing with fire, and not just for that reason.
>
> So as far as I'm concerned, that's not a big advantage of IMAP.
>
> I use IMAP, but to me there's no real advantage to using it.

OMG, I don't think anyone still uses POP3. The advantages of IMAP are
enormous.

“It's best not to argue with people who are determined to lose. Once
you've told them about a superior alternative, your responsibility is
fulfilled and you can allow them to lose in peace.” ― Mark Crispin,
inventor of the iMAP e-mail protocol

On 03/07/2022 12:02 PM, sms wrote:
> On 3/6/2022 8:20 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> Regardless of whether you use IMAP or POP3, if you do regular backups,
>> it is ALSO on the backup media. If you don't do regular backups to
>> eternal media, you're playing with fire, and not just for that reason.
>>
>> So as far as I'm concerned, that's not a big advantage of IMAP.
>>
>> I use IMAP, but to me there's no real advantage to using it.
>
> OMG, I don't think anyone still uses POP3. The advantages of IMAP are
> enormous.

I do on the accounts that are important to me. Thunderbird displays the
trivial IMAP accounts in a really stupid way. I don't have the IMAP
accounts on my phone, just the POP(3) accounts. Not looking forward to
having to switch my REAL accounts because google gets its panties in a wad.

> “It's best not to argue with people who are determined to lose. Once
> you've told them about a superior alternative, your responsibility is
> fulfilled and you can allow them to lose in peace.” ― Mark Crispin,
> inventor of the iMAP e-mail protocol

If the "superior" attributes are of no interest, why are they superior?

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had to worry about where the next meal would come from."
-- Peter S. Drucker, who invented management

On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 at 14:30:20, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
(my responses usually FOLLOW):
>On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 20:55:45 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 at 09:27:52, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
>>(my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>[]
>>>I use IMAP because that's what my e-mail provider provides, but as I
>>>just said in another message, to me it has no real advantage over
>>>POP3.
>>>
>>Which provider is it that only provides IMAP?
>
>
>Godaddy. I *think* it only provides IMAP but it was long ago enough
>that I might be misremembering.

https://uk.godaddy.com/help/server-and-port-settings-for-workspace-email-
6949
suggests both.
[]
--
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Can a blue man sing the whites?

On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 at 12:02:47, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
(my responses usually FOLLOW):
>On 3/6/2022 8:20 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> Regardless of whether you use IMAP or POP3, if you do regular backups,
>> it is ALSO on the backup media. If you don't do regular backups to
>> eternal media, you're playing with fire, and not just for that reason.
>> So as far as I'm concerned, that's not a big advantage of IMAP.
>> I use IMAP, but to me there's no real advantage to using it.
>
>OMG, I don't think anyone still uses POP3. The advantages of IMAP are
>enormous.

I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
zero.
>
>“It's best not to argue with people who are determined to lose. Once
>you've told them about a superior alternative, your responsibility is
>fulfilled and you can allow them to lose in peace.” ? Mark Crispin,
>inventor of the iMAP e-mail protocol

It's best not to argue with people whose minds are that closed. Perhaps
excusable if he "invented" it, as it's his baby so he's likely to be a
little biased; does sound insufferably smug though (-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The voices of Radio 4 continuity and newsreading have been keeping me right
for as long as I can remember. I can call on a million different information
sources, but it doesn't make sense until I've heard it from Peter, Harriet,
Charlotte and the rest.- Eddie Mair in Radio Times 10-16 November 2012

In article <Tu6EcMEhhoJiFwbg@a.a>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

> >OMG, I don't think anyone still uses POP3. The advantages of IMAP are
> >enormous.
>
> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
> zero.

you're using folders, so not zero.

J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
> zero.

It means that when you are away, you are not able to access your mail.
Of course when you never leave the home for e.g. a holiday, that does
not matter. But lots of people do.

Ken Blake wrote:
>> Which provider is it that only provides IMAP?
>
>
> Godaddy. I *think* it only provides IMAP but it was long ago enough
> that I might be misremembering.
>
> By the way, lest you think I meant my ISP, they're my e-mail provider,
> not an ISP.

>

Afaik, requires a GoDaddy hosted and/or registered Domain or Workspace
enabled GoDaddy Account.
- Lowest plan ~$6/mo(Essentials) though initial creation is discounted to
~$2/mo. for first 12 months then renews at the ~$6/mo. rate.

Ever try to sell or been solicited to sell yours.
I've been contacted twice in the last 3 years by a commercial business
via a domain broker. The last offered a 4 figure premium price for one
of my .com domains(have had it for years, way back when Outlook Premium
offered domains before requiring migration to GoDaddy).
- GoDaddy rates its value(4 figures) but much less than the offer.
- I countered by adding an extra zero to their offer.
Never heard back!

FYI - both Workspace and Essentials provide IMAP and POP3.
Not sure if still available, at one time 'free' GoDaddy email accounts
were available but limited to only POP3.

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In message <slrnt2e7jr.6gk.nomail@xs9.xs4all.nl>, Rob
<nomail@example.com> writes
>J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
>> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
>> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
>> zero.
>
>It means that when you are away, you are not able to access your mail.
>Of course when you never leave the home for e.g. a holiday, that does
>not matter. But lots of people do.

You can still access via webmail items that have arrived on your email
service provider's server since you last did a OP3 download, and those
new items are the ones that you are most likely to want to read. (And,
if you want to, you can arrange for items not to be deleted from the
server once they've been downloaded.)
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:14:35, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
>J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
>> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
>> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
>> zero.
>
>It means that when you are away, you are not able to access your mail.
>Of course when you never leave the home for e.g. a holiday, that does
>not matter. But lots of people do.

I take this computer with me, and continue to collect by POP when away;
I don't notice any difference (to email; news varies slightly).
--
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I'm not a great fan of new technology. I don't change my phone every time the
bell rings - Sir David Attenborough, RT 2016/1/23-29

On 2022-03-06 23:26, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>>> If you've got contacts, calendar entries, etc in both accounts, I
>>> might be a little cautious about what it's going to do ...
>>
>> Ouch. You are right.
>
> There is never a need to upload your contacts to any Internet server
> (IMHO).
> In fact (see below), I believe it's your moral duty to _not_ upload them.
> a. Because they contain private information of _other_ people
> b. And you never received permission to put their information on the net
> c. Which, let's be honest, will be hacked

I know you do.

WE don't. Most people don't. It is a feature we do want.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2022-03-06 22:43, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Mar 2022 10:11:52 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 17:49:48 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2022-03-06 17:27, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On 6 Mar 2022 15:48:39 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> mechanic <mechanic@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 20:42:30 -0500, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <lDVZnXVdBBJiFwOg@a.a>, J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> it's not the device or os that limits it, but rather the email client
>>>>>>> and/or email provider, some of which are only imap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately some clients are not very good at it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed. For example in Thunderbird you cannot have a 'Global Inbox',
>>>>> i.e. one Inbox for all mail from several IMAP accounts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alas yes.
>>>
>>> You can switch to "Unified" folder view, in which all input folders are
>>> shown grouped and is easier to see which has new email.
>>
>>
>> Thanks. I just did. I'll try it for a while, but I'm not sure it has
>> nay significant advantage for me.
>
>
> It's only been a few hours, but yes I like it and I think I'll stay
> with it. Thanks again.
>

Welcome :-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2022-03-06 22:12, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 06.03.22 um 21:55 schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John):
>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 at 09:27:52, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
>> (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>> []
>>> I use IMAP because that's what my e-mail provider provides, but as I
>>> just said in another message, to me it has no real advantage over
>>> POP3.
>>>
>> Which provider is it that only provides IMAP?
>
> Very many. It is too expensive to maintain such an outdated
> infrastructure and support the users.
>
> IMAP can do everything POP can and a lot more!

I have a local mail server (dovecot). It includes, out of the box, both
imap and pop3. Disabling/enabling one is just one word in the config
file (yes/no).

In fact, I remember long ago when providers only had pop3. When I
learned about imap3, I tried and found out by accident that imap was
also working on one or two servers, but undocumented. Just the reverse
situation. On some, imap was there but not responsive.

The software, even back then, provided both systems, at no extra cost.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 12:02:47 -0800, sms wrote:

> “It's best not to argue with people who are determined to lose. Once
> you've told them about a superior alternative, your responsibility is
> fulfilled and you can allow them to lose in peace.” ― Mark Crispin,
> inventor of the iMAP e-mail protocol

Much missed, although a bit prickly to deal with. He died in 2012.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Crispin

On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 22:34:09 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
> zero.

Never had a catastrophic failure of your PC? You don't use more than
one device to read/send emails?

Am 08.03.22 um 12:04 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 2022-03-06 23:26, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>>> If you've got contacts, calendar entries, etc in both accounts, I
>>>> might be a little cautious about what it's going to do ...
>>>
>>> Ouch. You are right.
>>
>> There is never a need to upload your contacts to any Internet server
>> (IMHO).
>> In fact (see below), I believe it's your moral duty to _not_ upload them.
>> a. Because they contain private information of _other_ people
>> b. And you never received permission to put their information on the net
>> c. Which, let's be honest, will be hacked
>
> I know you do.
>
> WE don't. Most people don't. It is a feature we do want.

Who is we?
Burnelli is totally inconsistent in his behavior: Paranoia and using an
Android? A case for the loony-bin.

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J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:14:35, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote (my
> responses usually FOLLOW):
>>J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
>>> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
>>> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
>>> zero.
>>
>>It means that when you are away, you are not able to access your mail.
>>Of course when you never leave the home for e.g. a holiday, that does
>>not matter. But lots of people do.
>
> I take this computer with me, and continue to collect by POP when away;
> I don't notice any difference (to email; news varies slightly).

You go on holiday taking your entire archive of previously sent and
received messages with you???
Don't forget to pack your backup drive as well!

Am 07.03.22 um 23:34 schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John):
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 at 12:02:47, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
> (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>> On 3/6/2022 8:20 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>>> Regardless of whether you use IMAP or POP3, if you do regular backups,
>>> it is ALSO on the backup media. If you don't do regular backups to
>>> eternal media, you're playing with fire, and not just for that reason.
>>> So as far as I'm concerned, that's not a big advantage of IMAP.
>>> I use IMAP, but to me there's no real advantage to using it.
>>
>> OMG, I don't think anyone still uses POP3. The advantages of IMAP are
>> enormous.
>
> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
> zero.

You do not understand the concept of IMAP and obviously the value of
your time and the security of your mails has a value of zero for you.

Poor John!

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

Carlos E.R. wrote:

> WE don't. Most people don't. It is a feature we do want.

I'm well aware of what Carlos claims is true, and I do believe him.
a. Most people are incredibly lazy, as is Carlos by his own admission
b. *That's why MARKETING can lead them by the nose, as a sheep to slaughter*
c. Most people hand _your_ kids's contacts & yours to those MARKETING groups

And yet, not doing so only takes intelligence.
Nothing more.

*I can't think of a _single_ app which needs to upload contacts to the net.*

But people like Carlos don't have the intelligence.
They're stupid, rude, and uncaringly ignorant.

They don't even care they upload yours & your kids' contacts to the world.
A. They're lazy,
B. Ignorant, and,
C. Rude.
--
Privacy takes intelligence.

On 3/8/2022 8:49 AM, Rob wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:14:35, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote (my
>> responses usually FOLLOW):
>>> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
>>>> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
>>>> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
>>>> zero.
>>>
>>> It means that when you are away, you are not able to access your mail.
>>> Of course when you never leave the home for e.g. a holiday, that does
>>> not matter. But lots of people do.
>>
>> I take this computer with me, and continue to collect by POP when away;
>> I don't notice any difference (to email; news varies slightly).
>
> You go on holiday taking your entire archive of previously sent and
> received messages with you???
> Don't forget to pack your backup drive as well!

The individuals in question, use USB sticks for portable
backup. Until they get to their home base and do something else.

Some appear to use SD or microSD or the like.

These are not my idea of what good backup devices
would be, but, it's certainly a solution.

*******

The smaller ones, like this example, are not normally
fast enough to be used as backup devices. There was one
nano that said "300MB/sec!!!", but it was only 25MB/sec on
writes and a shit show.

https://www.amazon.ca/Verbatim-Store-Flash-Drive-98711/dp/B00RORBNR6

You need the longer form factor ones, to get the write rate desired.
Sandisk Extreme or Sandisk Extreme Pro, usually manage at least
100MB/sec on write and maybe more if you're lucky.

You are more likely to do a backup, if the time taken is not
excessive.

Paul