On 2023-03-14, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 13:55:25 GMT, OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 10:36:42 +0000, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> did
>>>
>>>Then I would probably want to add a Z88 and a Psion Organiser II.
>>
>> I used to have a Psion III back in the day when I transitioned from filofax.
>> It really wasn't much more than a portable phone directory for me. I honestly
>> didn't know it was British!
>
> The II was even more limited than the III - but they were really quite
> capable little machines. I remember I wrote some data collection
> software for the II for the company I worked for (although I cannot
> remember exactly what it was for).
>
> The Psion Series 5 and 7 were really quite nice for their time and are fondly
> remembered by a lot of people. Although by the time the 7 came around things
> were beginning to change really fast in the sub-notebook space.
>

I had a Sharp Zaurus. Actually a useful machine, when I was in
business, it could hold a lot of data in an accessible way.

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maus <maus@mail.com> writes:
>On 2023-03-14, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 13:55:25 GMT, OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 10:36:42 +0000, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> did
>>>>
>>>>Then I would probably want to add a Z88 and a Psion Organiser II.
>>>
>>> I used to have a Psion III back in the day when I transitioned from filofax.
>>> It really wasn't much more than a portable phone directory for me. I honestly
>>> didn't know it was British!
>>
>> The II was even more limited than the III - but they were really quite
>> capable little machines. I remember I wrote some data collection
>> software for the II for the company I worked for (although I cannot
>> remember exactly what it was for).
>>
>> The Psion Series 5 and 7 were really quite nice for their time and are fondly
>> remembered by a lot of people. Although by the time the 7 came around things
>> were beginning to change really fast in the sub-notebook space.
>>
>
>I had a Sharp Zaurus. Actually a useful machine, when I was in
>business, it could hold a lot of data in an accessible way.
>

I have one as well. It ran linux.

On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:56:09 +0000
Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>
> > The Camputers Lynx: Z80 with 256k bank switched RAM - very early hi-res
> > colour graphics. The BASIC for it was written by a
> > guy calling himself Darvis in six weeks flat. There
> > were sparse comments in the code but they were
> > useless to anyone, they were obviously just reminders to himself
> > with just enough to recover his train of thought
> > after a break. Nobody ever fixed a bug in it.
>
> I've just remembered this one. Did it have a screen that didn't scroll?
> instead it went back up and blanked the top line.

Yes it did - scrolling three pages of bank switched video ram (one
for each of R, G and B) on a Z80 would have been painful to watch.

> https://archive.org/details/Camputers_Lynx_TOSEC_2012_04_23

Hah, 96k - seems my memory was off. Ah yes 48k base and four banks
of 16K three of which were video. Many years ago I had the fun of attaching
one to a scanning electron microscope to provide false colour pictures.

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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:

> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:56:09 +0000
> Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>>
>> > The Camputers Lynx: Z80 with 256k bank switched RAM - very early hi-res
>> > colour graphics. The BASIC for it was written by a
>> > guy calling himself Darvis in six weeks flat. There
>> > were sparse comments in the code but they were
>> > useless to anyone, they were obviously just reminders to himself
>> > with just enough to recover his train of thought
>> > after a break. Nobody ever fixed a bug in it.
>>
>> I've just remembered this one. Did it have a screen that didn't scroll?
>> instead it went back up and blanked the top line.
>
> Yes it did - scrolling three pages of bank switched video ram (one
> for each of R, G and B) on a Z80 would have been painful to watch.
>

The Acorn Electron used hardware scrolling to get around that problem.

On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:06:47 +0000, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> did
make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

>On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 13:55:25 GMT, OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 10:36:42 +0000, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> did
>>>
>>>Then I would probably want to add a Z88 and a Psion Organiser II.
>>
>> I used to have a Psion III back in the day when I transitioned from filofax.
>> It really wasn't much more than a portable phone directory for me. I honestly
>> didn't know it was British!
>
>The II was even more limited than the III - but they were really quite
>capable little machines. I remember I wrote some data collection
>software for the II for the company I worked for (although I cannot
>remember exactly what it was for).
>
>The Psion Series 5 and 7 were really quite nice for their time and are fondly
>remembered by a lot of people. Although by the time the 7 came around things
>were beginning to change really fast in the sub-notebook space.

Not sure of the timeline of the 7 but I'm thinking that was probably around the
time I moved into the world of PocketPC. I have fond memories of developing for
the Windows Mobile OS. It was really lightweight, unlike any MS offering before
that time.

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On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 18:29:03 +0000
Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

> The Acorn Electron used hardware scrolling to get around that problem.

The Electron didn't have bank switched video memory to contend with.

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On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 14:12:47 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) did make me
awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

>OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
>
>> Forte Agent News Reader .99g/32
>
>willy wave: My first Forte Free Agent was 0.37a in early '95.

I remember it well. Feature-limited, but Free Agent did the job. It did enough
to steer users towards the paid versions though, as I'm pretty sure Alcatel
snatched up Forte at some point, so it was obviously making money and had a
customer base Alacatel wanted to acquire.

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On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 19:00:33 GMT
info@whitexmasradio.com (OldbieOne) wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:06:47 +0000, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> did
> make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:
>
> >On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 13:55:25 GMT, OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 10:36:42 +0000, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> did
> >>>
> >>>Then I would probably want to add a Z88 and a Psion Organiser II.
> >>
> >> I used to have a Psion III back in the day when I transitioned from filofax.
> >> It really wasn't much more than a portable phone directory for me. I honestly
> >> didn't know it was British!
> >
> >The II was even more limited than the III - but they were really quite
> >capable little machines. I remember I wrote some data collection
> >software for the II for the company I worked for (although I cannot
> >remember exactly what it was for).
> >
> >The Psion Series 5 and 7 were really quite nice for their time and are fondly
> >remembered by a lot of people. Although by the time the 7 came around things
> >were beginning to change really fast in the sub-notebook space.
>
> Not sure of the timeline of the 7 but I'm thinking that was probably around the
> time I moved into the world of PocketPC. I have fond memories of developing for
> the Windows Mobile OS. It was really lightweight, unlike any MS offering before
> that time.
>

Windows CE. "Can run in 1M of memory"

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In article <64117cd0.3478312@news.newsdemon.com>,
OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

>You mentioned Ferranti was involved in the BBC project?

Ferranti designed the ULA - Uncommitted Logic Arrays which was a bit
like a PAL with a factoy programmed array. (Unlike a PAL which was
user-programmable)

So basically a programmable block of logic. It was used in both the BBC
Micro and Sinclair ZX81 & Spectrum computers and a few others as well
as applications for other non home-computer use.

So the computer makers designed the logic required, sent it off to
Ferranti and then got the chips back... Typically large 40-pin devices.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_array for some generic waffle
on them.

-Gordon

On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 08:31:42 -0000 (UTC)
Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> wrote:

> In article <64117cd0.3478312@news.newsdemon.com>,
> OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
>
> >You mentioned Ferranti was involved in the BBC project?
>
> Ferranti designed the ULA - Uncommitted Logic Arrays which was a bit
> like a PAL with a factoy programmed array. (Unlike a PAL which was
> user-programmable)
>
> So basically a programmable block of logic. It was used in both the BBC
> Micro and Sinclair ZX81 & Spectrum computers and a few others as well
> as applications for other non home-computer use.

Yep and in Cambridge circa 1980 everybody tried to run too much of
the ULA too fast[1] and they overheated - the BBC model B construction grew
a 'case support' that coincidentally acted as a heatsink for the vidproc
ULA. The ZX80 with all the TTL happened because the ULA that appeared in the
ZX81 wasn't going to be ready in time. The Newbrain suffered a similar fate
as Ferranti failed to deliver ULAs that worked and Newbury Labs ran out of
money - Grundy manufactured it in TTL based on the hand wired (in case) TTL
prototypes (I often wondered what happened to the ones I delivered to the
BBC for filming).

[1] Ferranti failed to specify that you couldn't run nearly all the gates at
maximum speed without it overheating. If only we'd thought of using fans!

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On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 21:19:06 +0000
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> Windows CE. "Can run in 1M of memory"

Bbbutt 640k ought to be enough for anyone.

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On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 21:19:06 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> did make
me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

>On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 19:00:33 GMT
>info@whitexmasradio.com (OldbieOne) wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:06:47 +0000, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> did
>> make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:
>>
>> >On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 13:55:25 GMT, OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 10:36:42 +0000, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> did
>> >>>
>> >>>Then I would probably want to add a Z88 and a Psion Organiser II.
>> >>
>> >> I used to have a Psion III back in the day when I transitioned from filofax.
>> >> It really wasn't much more than a portable phone directory for me. I honestly
>> >> didn't know it was British!
>> >
>> >The II was even more limited than the III - but they were really quite
>> >capable little machines. I remember I wrote some data collection
>> >software for the II for the company I worked for (although I cannot
>> >remember exactly what it was for).
>> >
>> >The Psion Series 5 and 7 were really quite nice for their time and are fondly
>> >remembered by a lot of people. Although by the time the 7 came around things
>> >were beginning to change really fast in the sub-notebook space.
>>
>> Not sure of the timeline of the 7 but I'm thinking that was probably around the
>> time I moved into the world of PocketPC. I have fond memories of developing for
>> the Windows Mobile OS. It was really lightweight, unlike any MS offering before
>> that time.
>>
>
>Windows CE. "Can run in 1M of memory"

Microsoft have never told the truth on system requirements: "640k should be
enough for anyone" - Bill Gates

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 08:31:42 -0000 (UTC), Gordon Henderson
<gordon+usenet@drogon.net> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism
when they didst announce:

>In article <64117cd0.3478312@news.newsdemon.com>,
>OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
>
>>You mentioned Ferranti was involved in the BBC project?
>
>Ferranti designed the ULA - Uncommitted Logic Arrays which was a bit
>like a PAL with a factoy programmed array. (Unlike a PAL which was
>user-programmable)
>
>So basically a programmable block of logic. It was used in both the BBC
>Micro and Sinclair ZX81 & Spectrum computers and a few others as well
>as applications for other non home-computer use.
>
>So the computer makers designed the logic required, sent it off to
>Ferranti and then got the chips back... Typically large 40-pin devices.
>
>See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_array for some generic waffle
>on them.

Interesting.... thanks Gordon. So the Beeb and varients, and the Sinclair's
shared a common ancestor in Ferranti. Did not know that.

In my time with RACAL we used to curse Ferranti quite frequently ;)

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 09:16:08 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> did
make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

>On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 08:31:42 -0000 (UTC)
>Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <64117cd0.3478312@news.newsdemon.com>,
>> OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
>>
>> >You mentioned Ferranti was involved in the BBC project?
>>
>> Ferranti designed the ULA - Uncommitted Logic Arrays which was a bit
>> like a PAL with a factoy programmed array. (Unlike a PAL which was
>> user-programmable)
>>
>> So basically a programmable block of logic. It was used in both the BBC
>> Micro and Sinclair ZX81 & Spectrum computers and a few others as well
>> as applications for other non home-computer use.
>
> Yep and in Cambridge circa 1980 everybody tried to run too much of
>the ULA too fast[1] and they overheated - the BBC model B construction grew
>a 'case support' that coincidentally acted as a heatsink for the vidproc
>ULA. The ZX80 with all the TTL happened because the ULA that appeared in the
>ZX81 wasn't going to be ready in time. The Newbrain suffered a similar fate
>as Ferranti failed to deliver ULAs that worked and Newbury Labs ran out of
>money - Grundy manufactured it in TTL based on the hand wired (in case) TTL
>prototypes (I often wondered what happened to the ones I delivered to the
>BBC for filming).
>
>[1] Ferranti failed to specify that you couldn't run nearly all the gates at
>maximum speed without it overheating. If only we'd thought of using fans!

This brings me to a wild proposition....

Overclocking a Sinclair Spectrum should be theoretically possible, and with a
modern heatsink and fan assembly, not too difficult to accomplish for the heck
of it

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To: snipeco.2
-=> snipeco.2 wrote to alt.folklore.computers <=-

sn> OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

> Forte Agent News Reader .99g/32

sn> willy wave: My first Forte Free Agent was 0.37a in early '95.

Forte Agent and Eudora Pro 2.2 - that brings back memories. Clients went
all downhill from there... :)

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 09:17:12 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> did
make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

>On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 21:19:06 +0000
>"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> Windows CE. "Can run in 1M of memory"
>
> Bbbutt 640k ought to be enough for anyone.

Exactly! :P

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 14:10:50 GMT
info@whitexmasradio.com (OldbieOne) wrote:

> Interesting.... thanks Gordon. So the Beeb and varients, and the
> Sinclair's shared a common ancestor in Ferranti. Did not know that.

Not really an ancestor so much as a common component, they all
prototyped in TTL and then sent off specs to Ferranti for a ULA (or two) to
replace most of the TTL to make the production affordable. They all had
trouble as a result.

I'm not sure why everyone chose Ferranti at the time, I expect they
offered more for less than the competition and then failed to deliver it.

--
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> they all prototyped in TTL and then sent off specs to Ferranti for a
> ULA (or two) to replace most of the TTL to make the production
> affordable.

I seem to remember NASCOMs used PROMs in a similar way, taking multiple
inputs as address pins and use the data pins as outputs, replacing a
bunch of 74xx or 40xx logic chips?

On 2023-03-15, OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 21:19:06 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> did make
> me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:
>
>>On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 19:00:33 GMT
>>info@whitexmasradio.com (OldbieOne) wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:06:47 +0000, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> did
>>> make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:
>>>
> Microsoft have never told the truth on system requirements: "640k should be
> enough for anyone" - Bill Gates

AFAIRemember, the early macs needed extra memory to actually do
anything, and I doubt that "the juggler" demo was created in a Amiga 500
>
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"Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-fcd-this> writes:
> To: snipeco.2
>-=> snipeco.2 wrote to alt.folklore.computers <=-
>
> sn> OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
>
> > Forte Agent News Reader .99g/32
>
> sn> willy wave: My first Forte Free Agent was 0.37a in early '95.
>
>
>Forte Agent and Eudora Pro 2.2 - that brings back memories. Clients went
>all downhill from there... :)

I'm still using xrn (1989).

On 2023-03-15, maus <maus@mail.com> wrote:

> On 2023-03-15, OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
>
>> Microsoft have never told the truth on system requirements:

Or anything else, for that matter.

>> "640k should be enough for anyone" - Bill Gates
>
> AFAIRemember, the early macs needed extra memory to actually do
> anything,

And said extra memory wasn't approved by Apple: "128K should be
enough for anyone." But I do recall mention of the "Mac cracker"
(a tool to open the case), plus instructions for soldering in
extra memory chips to create a 512K "Fat Mac".

> and I doubt that "the juggler" demo was created in a Amiga 500

Probably because the A500 didn't exist yet. :-)

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 06:55:00 -0700, "Kurt Weiske"
<kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-fcd-this> did make me awaken from my
chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

> To: snipeco.2
>-=> snipeco.2 wrote to alt.folklore.computers <=-
>
> sn> OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
>
> > Forte Agent News Reader .99g/32
>
> sn> willy wave: My first Forte Free Agent was 0.37a in early '95.
>
>
>Forte Agent and Eudora Pro 2.2 - that brings back memories. Clients went
>all downhill from there... :)

It's true. Mail and News clients never got any better than those, even though
browsers certainly did.

I miss lightweight but feature rich clients. Sure, newer clients might look
slick and have lots of little animations, but the actual GUI designs and
useability really suck in comparison.

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 14:50:45 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> did
make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

>On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 14:10:50 GMT
>info@whitexmasradio.com (OldbieOne) wrote:
>
>> Interesting.... thanks Gordon. So the Beeb and varients, and the
>> Sinclair's shared a common ancestor in Ferranti. Did not know that.
>
> Not really an ancestor so much as a common component, they all
>prototyped in TTL and then sent off specs to Ferranti for a ULA (or two) to
>replace most of the TTL to make the production affordable. They all had
>trouble as a result.

So they were all a common design?

> I'm not sure why everyone chose Ferranti at the time, I expect they
>offered more for less than the competition and then failed to deliver it.

I'm sure there were probably also grants available to "Buy British" under
Thatcher's nationalistic programs.

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On 15 Mar 2023 15:24:32 GMT, maus <maus@mail.com> did make me awaken from my
chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

>On 2023-03-15, OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 21:19:06 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> did make
>> me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:
>>
>>>On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 19:00:33 GMT
>>>info@whitexmasradio.com (OldbieOne) wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:06:47 +0000, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> did
>>>> make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:
>>>>
>> Microsoft have never told the truth on system requirements: "640k should be
>> enough for anyone" - Bill Gates
>
>AFAIRemember, the early macs needed extra memory to actually do
>anything, and I doubt that "the juggler" demo was created in a Amiga 500

Outside of the graphic design elements, probably not, lol!

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 15:50:12 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) did make
me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

>"Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-fcd-this> writes:
>> To: snipeco.2
>>-=> snipeco.2 wrote to alt.folklore.computers <=-
>>
>> sn> OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Forte Agent News Reader .99g/32
>>
>> sn> willy wave: My first Forte Free Agent was 0.37a in early '95.
>>
>>
>>Forte Agent and Eudora Pro 2.2 - that brings back memories. Clients went
>>all downhill from there... :)
>
>I'm still using xrn (1989).

Pretty sure they didn't have a 64-bit client back then though ;)

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