On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh
> wrote:
>
> > > John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
> >
> > > > John:
> > > > Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to
> > > > be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective
> > > > advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the
> > > > name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago
> > > > at the young age of 55. There was a guy named George Graves who
> > > > was an interesting character who was into high end audio. Think
> > > > he must have passed also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK.
> > > > Alan is still around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot
> > > > remember the others.
> >
> > I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
> > earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing okay;
> > his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office layout, etc.
> I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working great.
> > > These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android. With
> > > the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and represents
> > > "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and iOS/iPadOS is
> > > the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a "fashion statement"
> > > (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all just as silly and stupid
> > > as ever. Android/Windows is for "real men" and anything from Apple
> > > is for "kiddies". 🙄
> >
> > Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
> > laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max CPU-equipped
> > MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump in October
> > sales:
> And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.
> > > But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
> > > about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM. ARC
> > > vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved on.
> >
> > Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go through
> > his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of some iMac
> > Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop seen...
> I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell Ultrasharp
> curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think an iMac is for me
> anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new Apple Silicone, I may switch
> it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
>
>
> --
> Sandman

Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro. It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.

I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.

On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:59:38 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-11-12 2:03 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>
> >>> Oh come on Alan. Think back to iPhone 6 battery issues. You
> >>> claimed that Apple was acting in good faith when it put CPU
> >>> throttling in iOS without telling anyone.
> >>>
> >> Quotes, please.
> >
> > Look at the "Apple's Plan to Pay $500 Million to Settle Lawsuit Over
> > Secretly Throttling Older iPhones Gets Preliminary Approval today"
> > for your defense of Apple in a massive battery lawsuit they settled
> > instead of going to trial.
> So I did look at the thread...
>
> (It was only 10 posts; 2 of which were from the hardcore anti-Apple
> zealot, "Arlen")
>
> ...and I didn't find a single word where I stated that Apple was acting
> in good faith.
>
>
> Here are all the substantive statements I made in that thread:
>
> Post 2:
> "And what you don't get is that a settlement is by no means an admission
> of guilt."
>
> Post7:
> "They screwed up, as in: they erred.
>
> But as I said, this is no admission of actual wrongdoing that could have
> resulted in a judgement against them."
>
> Post 10 (in reply to you):
> "So you agree that you have no support for Apple's guilt in this."
>
> And you had no rebuttal for that.
>
>
>
> If that was your best shot, Idiot...

LOL you still used the settling is no admission of guilt argument.

On 2021-11-13 8:01 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:59:38 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>> On 2021-11-12 2:03 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>>
>>>>> Oh come on Alan. Think back to iPhone 6 battery issues. You
>>>>> claimed that Apple was acting in good faith when it put CPU
>>>>> throttling in iOS without telling anyone.
>>>>>
>>>> Quotes, please.
>>>
>>> Look at the "Apple's Plan to Pay $500 Million to Settle Lawsuit Over
>>> Secretly Throttling Older iPhones Gets Preliminary Approval today"
>>> for your defense of Apple in a massive battery lawsuit they settled
>>> instead of going to trial.
>> So I did look at the thread...
>>
>> (It was only 10 posts; 2 of which were from the hardcore anti-Apple
>> zealot, "Arlen")
>>
>> ...and I didn't find a single word where I stated that Apple was acting
>> in good faith.
>>
>>
>> Here are all the substantive statements I made in that thread:
>>
>> Post 2:
>> "And what you don't get is that a settlement is by no means an admission
>> of guilt."
>>
>> Post7:
>> "They screwed up, as in: they erred.
>>
>> But as I said, this is no admission of actual wrongdoing that could have
>> resulted in a judgement against them."
>>
>> Post 10 (in reply to you):
>> "So you agree that you have no support for Apple's guilt in this."
>>
>> And you had no rebuttal for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> If that was your best shot, Idiot...
>
> LOL you still used the settling is no admission of guilt argument.
>

Because it's still true...

....Idiot.

On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
>> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
>>
>>>> John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>> John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
>>>>> supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
>>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
>>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
>>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
>>>>> There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
>>>
>>> I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
>>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
>>> okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
>>> layout, etc.
>> I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working
>> great.
>>>> These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
>>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
>>>> represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
>>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
>>>> "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
>>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
>>>
>>> Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
>>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
>>> CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
>>> in October sales:
>> And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.
>>>> But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
>>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
>>>> on.
>>>
>>> Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
>>> through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
>>> seen...
>> I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell
>> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
>> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
>> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
>>
>>
>> -- Sandman
>
> Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
> HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.

1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
booting, launching applications, etc.

> It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower
> res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
> after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
> MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.

2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
cannot...

....as you've told has you "have to" return it.

>
> I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.

Do it.

Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
Idiot?

On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
> >> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
> >>
> >>>> John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
> >>>>> supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
> >>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
> >>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
> >>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
> >>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
> >>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
> >>>>> There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
> >>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
> >>>
> >>> I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
> >>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
> >>> okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
> >>> layout, etc.
> >> I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working
> >> great.
> >>>> These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
> >>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
> >>>> represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
> >>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
> >>>> "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
> >>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
> >>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
> >>>
> >>> Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
> >>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
> >>> CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
> >>> in October sales:
> >> And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.
> >>>> But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
> >>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
> >>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
> >>>> on.
> >>>
> >>> Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
> >>> through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
> >>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
> >>> seen...
> >> I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell
> >> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
> >> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
> >> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Sandman
> >
> > Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
> > HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
> > similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
> 1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
> booting, launching applications, etc.
> > It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower
> > res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
> > after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
> > MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
> 2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
> cannot...
>
> ...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
> >
> > I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
> Do it.
>
> Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
> Idiot?

No Alan, when I wrote that post I thought I had lots of time to make the video. A boot looping Mac was nowhere on my radar screen. The HP is still running like new.

On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
> >> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
> >>
> >>>> John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
> >>>>> supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
> >>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
> >>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
> >>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
> >>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
> >>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
> >>>>> There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
> >>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
> >>>
> >>> I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
> >>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
> >>> okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
> >>> layout, etc.
> >> I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working
> >> great.
> >>>> These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
> >>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
> >>>> represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
> >>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
> >>>> "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
> >>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
> >>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
> >>>
> >>> Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
> >>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
> >>> CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
> >>> in October sales:
> >> And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.
> >>>> But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
> >>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
> >>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
> >>>> on.
> >>>
> >>> Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
> >>> through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
> >>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
> >>> seen...
> >> I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell
> >> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
> >> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
> >> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Sandman
> >
> > Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
> > HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
> > similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
> 1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
> booting, launching applications, etc.
> > It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower
> > res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
> > after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
> > MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
> 2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
> cannot...
>
> ...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
> >
> > I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
> Do it.
>
> Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
> Idiot?
Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?

On 2021-11-17 5:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>> On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
>>>> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
>>>>>>> supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
>>>>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
>>>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
>>>>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
>>>>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
>>>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
>>>>>>> There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
>>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
>>>>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
>>>>> okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
>>>>> layout, etc.
>>>> I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working
>>>> great.
>>>>>> These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
>>>>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
>>>>>> represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
>>>>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
>>>>>> "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
>>>>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
>>>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
>>>>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
>>>>> CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
>>>>> in October sales:
>>>> And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.
>>>>>> But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
>>>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
>>>>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
>>>>>> on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
>>>>> through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
>>>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
>>>>> seen...
>>>> I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell
>>>> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
>>>> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
>>>> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Sandman
>>>
>>> Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
>>> HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
>>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
>> 1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
>> booting, launching applications, etc.
>>> It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower
>>> res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
>>> after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
>>> MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
>> 2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
>> cannot...
>>
>> ...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
>> Do it.
>>
>> Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
>> Idiot?
> Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
>

No and no.

Now ask me if I trust you to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
but the truth.

On 11/17/2021 5:34 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>> On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
>>>> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
>>>>>>> supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
>>>>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
>>>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
>>>>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
>>>>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
>>>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
>>>>>>> There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
>>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
>>>>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
>>>>> okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
>>>>> layout, etc.
>>>> I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working
>>>> great.
>>>>>> These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
>>>>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
>>>>>> represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
>>>>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
>>>>>> "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
>>>>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
>>>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
>>>>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
>>>>> CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
>>>>> in October sales:
>>>> And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.
>>>>>> But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
>>>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
>>>>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
>>>>>> on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
>>>>> through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
>>>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
>>>>> seen...
>>>> I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell
>>>> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
>>>> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
>>>> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Sandman
>>>
>>> Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
>>> HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
>>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
>> 1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
>> booting, launching applications, etc.
>>> It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower
>>> res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
>>> after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
>>> MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
>> 2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
>> cannot...
>>
>> ...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
>> Do it.
>>
>> Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
>> Idiot?
>
> No Alan, when I wrote that post I thought I had lots of time to make the video. A boot looping Mac was nowhere on my radar screen. The HP is still running like new.
>
Nice to know the HPs loud fan is still spinning!!!

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 1:29:53 AM UTC-5, John wrote:
> On 11/17/2021 5:34 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
> >>>> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
> >>>>>>> supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
> >>>>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
> >>>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
> >>>>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
> >>>>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
> >>>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
> >>>>>>> There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
> >>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
> >>>>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
> >>>>> okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
> >>>>> layout, etc.
> >>>> I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working
> >>>> great.
> >>>>>> These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
> >>>>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
> >>>>>> represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
> >>>>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
> >>>>>> "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
> >>>>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
> >>>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
> >>>>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
> >>>>> CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
> >>>>> in October sales:
> >>>> And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.
> >>>>>> But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
> >>>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
> >>>>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
> >>>>>> on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
> >>>>> through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
> >>>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
> >>>>> seen...
> >>>> I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell
> >>>> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
> >>>> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
> >>>> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Sandman
> >>>
> >>> Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
> >>> HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
> >>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
> >> 1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
> >> booting, launching applications, etc.
> >>> It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower
> >>> res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
> >>> after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
> >>> MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
> >> 2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
> >> cannot...
> >>
> >> ...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
> >>>
> >>> I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
> >> Do it.
> >>
> >> Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
> >> Idiot?
> >
> > No Alan, when I wrote that post I thought I had lots of time to make the video. A boot looping Mac was nowhere on my radar screen. The HP is still running like new.
> >
> Nice to know the HPs loud fan is still spinning!!!

My HP's fan rarely runs unless I'm doing some heavy-duty stats.

On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 8:58:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-11-17 5:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
> >>>> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
> >>>>>>> supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
> >>>>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
> >>>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
> >>>>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
> >>>>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
> >>>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
> >>>>>>> There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
> >>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
> >>>>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
> >>>>> okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
> >>>>> layout, etc.
> >>>> I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working
> >>>> great.
> >>>>>> These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
> >>>>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
> >>>>>> represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
> >>>>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
> >>>>>> "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
> >>>>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
> >>>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
> >>>>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
> >>>>> CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
> >>>>> in October sales:
> >>>> And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.
> >>>>>> But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
> >>>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
> >>>>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
> >>>>>> on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
> >>>>> through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
> >>>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
> >>>>> seen...
> >>>> I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell
> >>>> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
> >>>> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
> >>>> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Sandman
> >>>
> >>> Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
> >>> HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
> >>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
> >> 1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
> >> booting, launching applications, etc.
> >>> It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower
> >>> res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
> >>> after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
> >>> MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
> >> 2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
> >> cannot...
> >>
> >> ...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
> >>>
> >>> I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
> >> Do it.
> >>
> >> Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
> >> Idiot?
> > Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
> >
> No and no.
>
> Now ask me if I trust you to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
> but the truth.

You don't trust anybody who does not agree with your narrative. Calling people liars is just a cheap way to discredit.

On 2021-11-29 4:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 8:58:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>> On 2021-11-17 5:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
>>>>>> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
>>>>>>>>> supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
>>>>>>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
>>>>>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
>>>>>>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
>>>>>>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
>>>>>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
>>>>>>>>> There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
>>>>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
>>>>>>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
>>>>>>> okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
>>>>>>> layout, etc.
>>>>>> I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working
>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>>> These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
>>>>>>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
>>>>>>>> represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
>>>>>>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
>>>>>>>> "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
>>>>>>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
>>>>>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
>>>>>>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
>>>>>>> CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
>>>>>>> in October sales:
>>>>>> And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.
>>>>>>>> But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
>>>>>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
>>>>>>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
>>>>>>> through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
>>>>>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
>>>>>>> seen...
>>>>>> I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell
>>>>>> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
>>>>>> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
>>>>>> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Sandman
>>>>>
>>>>> Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
>>>>> HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
>>>>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
>>>> 1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
>>>> booting, launching applications, etc.
>>>>> It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower
>>>>> res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
>>>>> after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
>>>>> MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
>>>> 2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
>>>> cannot...
>>>>
>>>> ...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
>>>> Do it.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
>>>> Idiot?
>>> Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
>>>
>> No and no.
>>
>> Now ask me if I trust you to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
>> but the truth.
>
> You don't trust anybody who does not agree with your narrative. Calling people liars is just a cheap way to discredit.
>

I call you a liar, Idiot...

....because you have regularly lied.

On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 8:44:53 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-11-29 4:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 8:58:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2021-11-17 5:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
> >>>>>>>>> supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
> >>>>>>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
> >>>>>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
> >>>>>>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
> >>>>>>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
> >>>>>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
> >>>>>>>>> There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
> >>>>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
> >>>>>>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
> >>>>>>> okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
> >>>>>>> layout, etc.
> >>>>>> I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working
> >>>>>> great.
> >>>>>>>> These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
> >>>>>>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
> >>>>>>>> represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
> >>>>>>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
> >>>>>>>> "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
> >>>>>>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
> >>>>>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
> >>>>>>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
> >>>>>>> CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
> >>>>>>> in October sales:
> >>>>>> And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.
> >>>>>>>> But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
> >>>>>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
> >>>>>>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
> >>>>>>>> on.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
> >>>>>>> through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
> >>>>>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
> >>>>>>> seen...
> >>>>>> I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell
> >>>>>> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
> >>>>>> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
> >>>>>> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -- Sandman
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
> >>>>> HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
> >>>>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
> >>>> 1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
> >>>> booting, launching applications, etc.
> >>>>> It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower
> >>>>> res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
> >>>>> after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
> >>>>> MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
> >>>> 2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
> >>>> cannot...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
> >>>> Do it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
> >>>> Idiot?
> >>> Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
> >>>
> >> No and no.
> >>
> >> Now ask me if I trust you to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
> >> but the truth.
> >
> > You don't trust anybody who does not agree with your narrative. Calling people liars is just a cheap way to discredit.
> >
> I call you a liar, Idiot...
>
> ...because you have regularly lied.

You call someone else a liar? That's rich.

On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 6:58:18 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-11-17 5:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
> >>>> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
> >>>>>>> supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
> >>>>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
> >>>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
> >>>>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
> >>>>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
> >>>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
> >>>>>>> There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
> >>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
> >>>>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
> >>>>> okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
> >>>>> layout, etc.
> >>>> I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working
> >>>> great.
> >>>>>> These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
> >>>>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
> >>>>>> represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
> >>>>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
> >>>>>> "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
> >>>>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
> >>>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
> >>>>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
> >>>>> CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
> >>>>> in October sales:
> >>>> And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.
> >>>>>> But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
> >>>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
> >>>>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
> >>>>>> on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
> >>>>> through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
> >>>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
> >>>>> seen...
> >>>> I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell
> >>>> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
> >>>> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
> >>>> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Sandman
> >>>
> >>> Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
> >>> HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
> >>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
> >> 1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
> >> booting, launching applications, etc.
> >>> It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower
> >>> res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
> >>> after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
> >>> MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
> >> 2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
> >> cannot...
> >>
> >> ...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
> >>>
> >>> I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
> >> Do it.
> >>
> >> Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
> >> Idiot?
> > Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
> >
> No and no.
>
> Now ask me if I trust you to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
> but the truth.

Bing for 'functionally illiterate fraud' and Dustin Cook is on the first
page: <https://www.bing.com/search?q=Dustin%20Cook%20functionally%20illiterate%20fraud>.
Not only did Snit's question not mention the "desktop", it has _nothing_
to do with UNIX. Mike Easter should stop sniffing glue. You are ten seconds
away from being in everyone's kill filter. Socks that Mike Easter can't
prove are mine. Why would I, or anyone, create socks to say what we all
repeatedly say about Mike Easter?

Mike Easter is the only person I know who had a 'blog' intended to dox
me that quickly turned into broken links with placeholders where maps/multimedia
used to be, and if you clicked it, you would be reading about a peer reviewed
paper that was deleted for malware.

--
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Steve Carroll the Narcissistic Bigot

On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 6:44:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-11-29 4:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 8:58:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2021-11-17 5:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
> >>>>>>>>> supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
> >>>>>>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
> >>>>>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
> >>>>>>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
> >>>>>>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
> >>>>>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
> >>>>>>>>> There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
> >>>>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
> >>>>>>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
> >>>>>>> okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
> >>>>>>> layout, etc.
> >>>>>> I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working
> >>>>>> great.
> >>>>>>>> These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
> >>>>>>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
> >>>>>>>> represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
> >>>>>>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
> >>>>>>>> "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
> >>>>>>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
> >>>>>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
> >>>>>>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
> >>>>>>> CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
> >>>>>>> in October sales:
> >>>>>> And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.
> >>>>>>>> But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
> >>>>>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
> >>>>>>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
> >>>>>>>> on.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
> >>>>>>> through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
> >>>>>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
> >>>>>>> seen...
> >>>>>> I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell
> >>>>>> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
> >>>>>> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
> >>>>>> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -- Sandman
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
> >>>>> HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
> >>>>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
> >>>> 1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
> >>>> booting, launching applications, etc.
> >>>>> It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower
> >>>>> res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
> >>>>> after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
> >>>>> MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
> >>>> 2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
> >>>> cannot...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
> >>>> Do it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
> >>>> Idiot?
> >>> Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
> >>>
> >> No and no.
> >>
> >> Now ask me if I trust you to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
> >> but the truth.
> >
> > You don't trust anybody who does not agree with your narrative. Calling people liars is just a cheap way to discredit.
> >
> I call you a liar, Idiot...
>
> ...because you have regularly lied.

Dustin Cook AKA Diesel AKA Gremlin lying about his 1-423-491-1448 phone
number:

<XnsAC34A629C8F3DHT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
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Prior to my giving you that cell number, there was no way
at all for you to link it to me in any possible way shape
or form. it doesn't come up in any records search on me.
It is using a recycled number, but damn near everything is
these days so that doesn't count as public information,
snit.
...
As in, the cell doesn't come back to me, wouldn't ever
come back to me, therefore the fact *I* have that cell
number is NOT public information. I find it very hard to
believe that even you'd have difficulty understanding this
concept.
-----
<XnsAC32ADC5A8EECHT1@VoX89Pwp95.083.GODrcd>
-----
I've only been sharing whats available via a public
database. You haven't. :)
-----
<XnsAC34A62BCD27FHT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
You cannot find any link to that number to me on any
database. Which makes it private. not public as you
incorrectly assume.
-----
<XnsAC34A62CD62DDHT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
> Your number, even tied to your name, is in a public
> database.
No, it's not. You already tried to link the two of us
previously.
-----

<XnsAC34A62EE3F39HT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
It's not a publically known number that links to me. And
he knows that.
-----
<XnsAC34A62BCD27FHT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
The number is NOT TIED TO ME in any public database, in
any way shape or form. You cannot get the number aside
from my having provided it to you via a google search or a
public records search.
-----
<XnsAC34A62ACDF8HT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
Regardless of where the number shows up, it doesn't tie
itself to me, and you cannot associate the number with me
via a google search, OR any number of free/paid public
records searches. Therefore, that is PRIVATE information
that you think you're holding over my head, not public as
you erroneously think here.
-----
<XnsAC34A62A42D90HT1@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
-----
It's not, running my name doesn't provide that cell
number. The two are not linked in any way shape or form.
The number itself as is the case with any recycled number
is in all kinds of databases, but it's not linked to me;
therefore, that IS PRIVATE information that you can't get
via a google search or a paid public records search.
-----

<XnsAC1D794DE5AD5HT1@889n4Sx8GWE.MNnkz50hZNVS.fh0SYyRp>
-----
They are relevant to the fact YOU INSERTED the phone
number I provided you verbally into a bogus call log video
you've taken the time to create. When I use the cell I
provided you the number for to make outbound calls, It
*ALWAYS* reports Kingsport, TN. Not one single time has it
ever, nor would it have any reason to report Johnson City.
It doesn't pick cities at random, it doesn't go by my
present location, either. That's actually fixed, as is the
number assigned to the phone.
-----

On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 2:14:27 AM UTC-7, Steven Carrolll wrote:
> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 6:44:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
> > On 2021-11-29 4:28 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 8:58:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> > >> On 2021-11-17 5:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> > >>>> On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
> > >>>>>> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
> > >>>>>>>>> supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
> > >>>>>>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
> > >>>>>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
> > >>>>>>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
> > >>>>>>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
> > >>>>>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
> > >>>>>>>>> There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
> > >>>>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
> > >>>>>>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
> > >>>>>>> okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
> > >>>>>>> layout, etc.
> > >>>>>> I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working
> > >>>>>> great.
> > >>>>>>>> These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
> > >>>>>>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
> > >>>>>>>> represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
> > >>>>>>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
> > >>>>>>>> "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
> > >>>>>>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
> > >>>>>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
> > >>>>>>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
> > >>>>>>> CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
> > >>>>>>> in October sales:
> > >>>>>> And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.
> > >>>>>>>> But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
> > >>>>>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
> > >>>>>>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
> > >>>>>>>> on.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
> > >>>>>>> through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
> > >>>>>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
> > >>>>>>> seen...
> > >>>>>> I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell
> > >>>>>> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
> > >>>>>> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
> > >>>>>> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -- Sandman
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
> > >>>>> HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc.. at
> > >>>>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro..
> > >>>> 1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
> > >>>> booting, launching applications, etc.
> > >>>>> It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower
> > >>>>> res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
> > >>>>> after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
> > >>>>> MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
> > >>>> 2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
> > >>>> cannot...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two..
> > >>>> Do it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
> > >>>> Idiot?
> > >>> Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
> > >>>
> > >> No and no.
> > >>
> > >> Now ask me if I trust you to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
> > >> but the truth.
> > >
> > > You don't trust anybody who does not agree with your narrative. Calling people liars is just a cheap way to discredit.
> > >
> > I call you a liar, Idiot...
> >
> > ...because you have regularly lied.
> Dustin Cook AKA Diesel AKA Gremlin lying about his 1-423-491-1448 phone
> number:
>
> <XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
> -----
> Prior to my giving you that cell number, there was no way
> at all for you to link it to me in any possible way shape
> or form. it doesn't come up in any records search on me.
> It is using a recycled number, but damn near everything is
> these days so that doesn't count as public information,
> snit.
> ...
> As in, the cell doesn't come back to me, wouldn't ever
> come back to me, therefore the fact *I* have that cell
> number is NOT public information. I find it very hard to
> believe that even you'd have difficulty understanding this
> concept.
> -----
>
> <XnsAC32AD...@VoX89Pwp95.083.GODrcd>
> -----
> I've only been sharing whats available via a public
> database. You haven't. :)
> -----
>
> <XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
> -----
> You cannot find any link to that number to me on any
> database. Which makes it private. not public as you
> incorrectly assume.
> -----
>
> <XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
> -----
> > Your number, even tied to your name, is in a public
> > database.
>
> No, it's not. You already tried to link the two of us
> previously.
> -----
>
> <XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
> -----
> It's not a publically known number that links to me. And
> he knows that.
> -----
>
> <XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
> -----
> The number is NOT TIED TO ME in any public database, in
> any way shape or form. You cannot get the number aside
> from my having provided it to you via a google search or a
> public records search.
> -----
>
> <XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
> -----
> Regardless of where the number shows up, it doesn't tie
> itself to me, and you cannot associate the number with me
> via a google search, OR any number of free/paid public
> records searches. Therefore, that is PRIVATE information
> that you think you're holding over my head, not public as
> you erroneously think here.
> -----
>
> <XnsAC34A6...@1b2yUZpg51V1q.6EF009.jKrc>
> -----
> It's not, running my name doesn't provide that cell
> number. The two are not linked in any way shape or form.
> The number itself as is the case with any recycled number
> is in all kinds of databases, but it's not linked to me;
> therefore, that IS PRIVATE information that you can't get
> via a google search or a paid public records search.
> -----
>
> <XnsAC1D79...@889n4Sx8GWE.MNnkz50hZNVS.fh0SYyRp>
> -----
> They are relevant to the fact YOU INSERTED the phone
> number I provided you verbally into a bogus call log video
> you've taken the time to create. When I use the cell I
> provided you the number for to make outbound calls, It
> *ALWAYS* reports Kingsport, TN. Not one single time has it
> ever, nor would it have any reason to report Johnson City.
> It doesn't pick cities at random, it doesn't go by my
> present location, either. That's actually fixed, as is the
> number assigned to the phone.
> -----
>
> <XnsAC17C6...@4uMkH0FFER6s72gSy7J8N4B67.Mht3WTC373bt67J31gn>
> -----
> You didn't even score the right city, Snit. And, the
> correct city is common, public knowledge with the regulars
> here. The moment you unblocked 'Johnson City' in your
> videos, you were busted.
> -----
>
> <XnsAC212D...@gt3i2B7y.5N0FOv3e210vLOej4O4doj8b>
> -----
> David, every single Address you've posted that's supposed
> to be mine has been Kingsport. Not Johnson City. Don't you
> think you should tell snit that was a fuckup on his part
> by now? :)
> -----
>
> <XnsAC2110...@3R4NM89td0T86C.231IPkH>
> -----
> His response to that was to file a report with the
> kingsport,tn police. Well hell, why not the johnson city
> ones? That's where he claimed the call said it originated
> from. :)
> -----
>
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> Dustin Cook is a functionally illiterate fraud

On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 12:05:03 AM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 6:58:18 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
> > On 2021-11-17 5:36 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:59:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> > >> On 2021-11-13 7:59 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:39:33 AM UTC-5, Sandman wrote:
> > >>>> In article <36b08647-04ae-48db...@googlegroups.com>, -hh wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> John <nos...@nospam.com>wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> John: Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was
> > >>>>>>> supposed to be a Mac advocacy group but at that time hardly
> > >>>>>>> any effective advocacy was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta
> > >>>>>>> who went by the name Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he
> > >>>>>>> passed a few years ago at the young age of 55. There was a
> > >>>>>>> guy named George Graves who was an interesting character who
> > >>>>>>> was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also.
> > >>>>>>> There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around -
> > >>>>>>> not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I noticed a post from Jonas (aka Sandman) on another newsgroup
> > >>>>> earlier this week; last I checked up on him, they were doing
> > >>>>> okay; his blog has some nice pics of his new home & office
> > >>>>> layout, etc.
> > >>>> I'm doing just fine, moved my office home indeed, and it's working
> > >>>> great.
> > >>>>>> These days, the "advocacy" is between iOS/iPadOS and Android.
> > >>>>>> With the same arguments being made. Android is "open" and
> > >>>>>> represents "freedom" (just like Windows did 30 years ago) and
> > >>>>>> iOS/iPadOS is the choice for "lemmings" who want to make a
> > >>>>>> "fashion statement" (just like Macs 30 years ago). It is all
> > >>>>>> just as silly and stupid as ever. Android/Windows is for "real
> > >>>>>> men" and anything from Apple is for "kiddies". 🙄
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Well, from an advocacy standpoint, the news this week is on the
> > >>>>> laptop market, where Apple's release of the M1 Pro/Max
> > >>>>> CPU-equipped MacBook Pro's has apparently given them a nice bump
> > >>>>> in October sales:
> > >>>> And kicks the ass of just about anything Windows.
> > >>>>>> But again, this is all ancient history. We might as well argue
> > >>>>>> about VHS vs Beta VCRs. AOL vs Compuserve. XMODEM vs ZMODEM.
> > >>>>>> ARC vs ZIP. Mac vs Windows. No one cares. The world has moved
> > >>>>>> on.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Pretty much. It has been interesting to watch Tom Elam go
> > >>>>> through his 'discovery' period, though. Meantime, I'm hearing of
> > >>>>> some iMac Pro rumors that might tempt me to get a new desktop
> > >>>>> seen...
> > >>>> I recently got a Mac mini as my main work computer, and the Dell
> > >>>> Ultrasharp curved 40" monitor on a swivel stand, so I don't think
> > >>>> an iMac is for me anymore. When and if the Mac mini gets the new
> > >>>> Apple Silicone, I may switch it up. Super happy with the Mac mini.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -- Sandman
> > >>>
> > >>> Only if you need all that power for media production. My 4 year old
> > >>> HP Envy loads browser pages, opens emails, edits Office files etc. at
> > >>> similar speeds to this spanking new base model 16" M1 MacBook Pro.
> > >> 1. Bullshit. It does it all more slowly. Do a side by side video of
> > >> booting, launching applications, etc.
> > >>> It's not as pretty, the trackpad not as nice, the screen is lower
> > >>> res, but it does the job. The battery life is nice too, 94% left
> > >>> after 1.5 hours of use! The HP would be at 70% about now. My new
> > >>> MacBook is simply a luxury I can afford.
> > >> 2. A "luxury" that can apparently run an external display that the HP
> > >> cannot...
> > >>
> > >> ...as you've told has you "have to" return it.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm thinking about producing a YouTube comparison between the two.
> > >> Do it.
> > >>
> > >> Oh, wait! You've cleverly made that an impossibility now, haven't you,
> > >> Idiot?
> > > Do you also believe NASA staged the moon landings in a studio? Or that the U.S. CIA sponsored the 9/11 attacks?
> > >
> > No and no.
> >
> > Now ask me if I trust you to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing
> > but the truth.
> Bing for 'functionally illiterate fraud' and Dustin Cook is on the first
> page: <https://www.bing.com/search?q=Dustin%20Cook%20functionally%20illiterate%20fraud>.
> Not only did Snit's question not mention the "desktop", it has _nothing_
> to do with UNIX. Mike Easter should stop sniffing glue. You are ten seconds
> away from being in everyone's kill filter. Socks that Mike Easter can't
> prove are mine. Why would I, or anyone, create socks to say what we all
> repeatedly say about Mike Easter?
>
> Mike Easter is the only person I know who had a 'blog' intended to dox
> me that quickly turned into broken links with placeholders where maps/multimedia
> used to be, and if you clicked it, you would be reading about a peer reviewed
> paper that was deleted for malware.
>
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> Steve Carroll the Narcissistic Bigot

Everyone is Snit Glasser Michael -- the oldest gag in the book. Having to
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I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s, through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.

Who needs advocacy at that point?

But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.

My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good. All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and early 2000s.

Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people who work or have worked there.

It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or sparring or whatever.

Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here, and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger issue is about security, staying current with technology and wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship ring building with people after Covid. Probably...

Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>

On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
> Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac
> advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
> performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I
> recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55.
> There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
> who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was
> Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real
> advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
>
> Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows
> XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever
> since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
> since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac
> OS sure was an embarrasment.

Jaden Amber <jadenamber66@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2-88a1-edc3e881cb09n@googlegroups.com:

> I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted
> Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
> mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s,
> through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away
> after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple
> ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
>
> Who needs advocacy at that point?
>
> But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly
> walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
> Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air
> supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when
> that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to
> suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored
> by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be
> removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs
> and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
> Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we
> would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe
> not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
>
> My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good.
> All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and
> iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use
> Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
> Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to
> worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
> early 2000s.
>
> Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
> they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a
> lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people
> who work or have worked there.
>
> It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
> precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
> civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this
> was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
> didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or
> sparring or whatever.
>
> Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here,
> and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs
> advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
> issue is about security, staying current with technology and
> wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship
> ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
>
> Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now
> Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
> passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better
> place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
>
> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
>> Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be
>> a Mac
>
>> advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
>> performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as
>> I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
>> age of 55.
>
>> There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
>> character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
>> also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around
>> - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
>>
>> Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
>> Windows
>
>> XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
>> Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
>> has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
>> nineties. Classic Mac
>
>> OS sure was an embarrasment.
>

Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.

On 12/16/2021 10:00 AM, Jaden Amber wrote:
> I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s, through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
>
> Who needs advocacy at that point?
>
> But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
>
> My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good. All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and early 2000s.
>
> Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people who work or have worked there.
>
> It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or sparring or whatever.
>
> Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here, and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger issue is about security, staying current with technology and wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
>
> Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
>
> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
>> Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac
>> advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
>> performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I
>> recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55.
>> There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
>> who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was
>> Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real
>> advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
>>
>> Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows
>> XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever
>> since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
>> since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac
>> OS sure was an embarrasment.

Thanks for the nice post Jaden. Its nice to see an on topic post. We
have a crazed 5150 person on here who litters the newsgroup with crazed
paranoia. Its nice to see something sane once in a while.

On 12/16/2021 10:34 AM, Phil Dago wrote:
> Jaden Amber <jadenamber66@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2-88a1-edc3e881cb09n@googlegroups.com:
>
>> I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted
>> Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
>> mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s,
>> through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away
>> after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple
>> ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
>>
>> Who needs advocacy at that point?
>>
>> But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly
>> walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
>> Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air
>> supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when
>> that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to
>> suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored
>> by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be
>> removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs
>> and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
>> Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we
>> would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe
>> not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
>>
>> My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good.
>> All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and
>> iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use
>> Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
>> Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to
>> worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
>> early 2000s.
>>
>> Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
>> they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a
>> lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people
>> who work or have worked there.
>>
>> It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
>> precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
>> civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this
>> was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
>> didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or
>> sparring or whatever.
>>
>> Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here,
>> and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs
>> advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
>> issue is about security, staying current with technology and
>> wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship
>> ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
>>
>> Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now
>> Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
>> passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better
>> place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
>>> Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be
>>> a Mac
>>
>>> advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
>>> performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as
>>> I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
>>> age of 55.
>>
>>> There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
>>> character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
>>> also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around
>>> - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
>>>
>>> Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
>>> Windows
>>
>>> XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
>>> Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
>>> has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
>>> nineties. Classic Mac
>>
>>> OS sure was an embarrasment.
>>
>
> Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
> AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.

So is George Graves from my research.

On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 11:00:29 AM UTC-7, Jaden Amber wrote:
> I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s, through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
>
> Who needs advocacy at that point?
>
> But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
>
> My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good. All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and early 2000s.
>
> Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people who work or have worked there.
>
> It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or sparring or whatever.
>
> Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here, and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger issue is about security, staying current with technology and wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship ring building with people after Covid. Probably....
>
> Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
> > Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be a Mac
> > advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
> > performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as I
> > recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young age of 55.
> > There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting character
> > who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed also. There was
> > Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around - not doing any real
> > advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
> >
> > Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a Windows
> > XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac. Ever
> > since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac has come
> > since my first experiences with it at work in the nineties. Classic Mac
> > OS sure was an embarrasment.

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as everyone knows. At times, a make believe world is more valuable than
facts. What do you get out of lying, Sigmond?

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On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:11:12 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
> On 12/16/2021 10:34 AM, Phil Dago wrote:
> > Jaden Amber <jadena...@gmail.com> wrote in
> > news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2...@googlegroups.com:
> >
> >> I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted
> >> Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
> >> mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s,
> >> through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away
> >> after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple
> >> ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
> >>
> >> Who needs advocacy at that point?
> >>
> >> But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly
> >> walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
> >> Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air
> >> supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when
> >> that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to
> >> suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored
> >> by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be
> >> removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs
> >> and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
> >> Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we
> >> would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe
> >> not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
> >>
> >> My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good.
> >> All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and
> >> iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use
> >> Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
> >> Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to
> >> worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
> >> early 2000s.
> >>
> >> Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
> >> they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a
> >> lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people
> >> who work or have worked there.
> >>
> >> It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
> >> precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
> >> civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this
> >> was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
> >> didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or
> >> sparring or whatever.
> >>
> >> Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here,
> >> and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs
> >> advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
> >> issue is about security, staying current with technology and
> >> wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship
> >> ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
> >>
> >> Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now
> >> Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
> >> passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better
> >> place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
> >>> Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be
> >>> a Mac
> >>
> >>> advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
> >>> performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as
> >>> I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
> >>> age of 55.
> >>
> >>> There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
> >>> character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
> >>> also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around
> >>> - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
> >>>
> >>> Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
> >>> Windows
> >>
> >>> XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
> >>> Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
> >>> has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
> >>> nineties. Classic Mac
> >>
> >>> OS sure was an embarrasment.
> >>
> >
> > Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
> > AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
> So is George Graves from my research.

He seems to have dropped off 10-12 years ago, about the same time as Ragosta. He lived in the Bay area, but a quick obit search turned up nothing.

On 12/22/2021 3:22 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:11:12 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
>> On 12/16/2021 10:34 AM, Phil Dago wrote:
>>> Jaden Amber <jadena...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2...@googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted
>>>> Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
>>>> mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s,
>>>> through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away
>>>> after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple
>>>> ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
>>>>
>>>> Who needs advocacy at that point?
>>>>
>>>> But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly
>>>> walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
>>>> Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air
>>>> supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when
>>>> that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to
>>>> suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored
>>>> by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be
>>>> removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs
>>>> and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
>>>> Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we
>>>> would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe
>>>> not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
>>>>
>>>> My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good.
>>>> All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and
>>>> iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use
>>>> Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
>>>> Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to
>>>> worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
>>>> early 2000s.
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
>>>> they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a
>>>> lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people
>>>> who work or have worked there.
>>>>
>>>> It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
>>>> precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
>>>> civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this
>>>> was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
>>>> didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or
>>>> sparring or whatever.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here,
>>>> and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs
>>>> advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
>>>> issue is about security, staying current with technology and
>>>> wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship
>>>> ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
>>>>
>>>> Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now
>>>> Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
>>>> passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better
>>>> place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
>>>>> Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be
>>>>> a Mac
>>>>
>>>>> advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
>>>>> performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as
>>>>> I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
>>>>> age of 55.
>>>>
>>>>> There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
>>>>> character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
>>>>> also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around
>>>>> - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
>>>>> Windows
>>>>
>>>>> XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
>>>>> Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
>>>>> has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
>>>>> nineties. Classic Mac
>>>>
>>>>> OS sure was an embarrasment.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
>>> AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
>> So is George Graves from my research.
>
> He seems to have dropped off 10-12 years ago, about the same time as Ragosta. He lived in the Bay area, but a quick obit search turned up nothing.

From my research George is alive and well. He moved to Toronto and was
writing for an audio journal.

On 12/22/2021 3:22 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:11:12 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
>> On 12/16/2021 10:34 AM, Phil Dago wrote:
>>> Jaden Amber <jadena...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:2a2472d9-b107-41e2...@googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> I was active in this forum all those years ago. Actually contacted
>>>> Joe outside of the forum. Went under a different name and was a
>>>> mid-tier prolific presence defending the Mac from the early 90s,
>>>> through Apple's near death rattle years, then slowly drifted away
>>>> after Jobs arrived and the Cupertino ship righted itself and Apple
>>>> ultimately became one of the most powerful companies in the world.
>>>>
>>>> Who needs advocacy at that point?
>>>>
>>>> But most folks don't remember the late 90s when Microsoft nearly
>>>> walked away with it all. Long before the kinder, gentler Bill
>>>> Gates arrived and Netscape was told Redmond would suck their air
>>>> supply, or where Intuit was another acquisition target, but when
>>>> that failed, MS dumped it's Microsoft Money for free in order to
>>>> suck its air supply. Or the video testimony that had been doctored
>>>> by Microsoft in trying to prove the Internet Explorer could not be
>>>> removed from Windows. Had it not be for Linus Torvalds, Steve Jobs
>>>> and Google's Page and Brin and all the other emerging wild
>>>> Internet billionaires who chafed at being muscled by Microsoft, we
>>>> would all be looking a different kind of screen right now. Maybe
>>>> not horrible, but probably something a lot clunkier.
>>>>
>>>> My mantra back then was that competition was good. And it is good.
>>>> All these years later I'm very satisfied with my Macs, iPhones and
>>>> iPads and the stuff I create with them. Gun to my head, I can use
>>>> Windows better than most folks my age, but why? Thankfully for
>>>> Adobe and PDF and other relatively open protocols I don't have to
>>>> worry about compatibility like we all did back in the 90s and
>>>> early 2000s.
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft is no longer - well not really - the evil empire that
>>>> they were back then. And I say that acknowledging that they made a
>>>> lot of worthy products, and I've gotten to know some great people
>>>> who work or have worked there.
>>>>
>>>> It's just that things were soooo out of balance back then. So
>>>> precarious. And some of the Windows advocates were smart and
>>>> civil, but others were just trolls to the nth degree. Maybe this
>>>> was all just a tempest in a teapot and the words we exchanged
>>>> didn't go beyond this forum. Maybe it was just a bit of therapy or
>>>> sparring or whatever.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless, I liked Joe. I liked a number of the other folks here,
>>>> and came back on the regular to hear from them. Today Apple needs
>>>> advocacy like Elon Musk needs more money. Thankfully the bigger
>>>> issue is about security, staying current with technology and
>>>> wondering if Cupertino is ever going to fill up that big spaceship
>>>> ring building with people after Covid. Probably...
>>>>
>>>> Been a long time. Felt the itch to check out the old UseNet (now
>>>> Google Group) and do a search on "Ragosta." Sorry to hear he
>>>> passed so young. Imagine he lived a good life and is in a better
>>>> place. One that doesn't greet its arrivals with a C:\>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM UTC-8, John wrote:
>>>>> Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to be
>>>>> a Mac
>>>>
>>>>> advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy was
>>>>> performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name Macman as
>>>>> I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at the young
>>>>> age of 55.
>>>>
>>>>> There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
>>>>> character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
>>>>> also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still around
>>>>> - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
>>>>> Windows
>>>>
>>>>> XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
>>>>> Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
>>>>> has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
>>>>> nineties. Classic Mac
>>>>
>>>>> OS sure was an embarrasment.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
>>> AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.
>> So is George Graves from my research.
>
> He seems to have dropped off 10-12 years ago, about the same time as Ragosta. He lived in the Bay area, but a quick obit search turned up nothing.

Here is something on Joe. Poor guy he died at home on CSMA dealing with
the "wintrolls".

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/centredaily/name/joseph-ragosta-obituary?id=14349383

In article <XnsAE028A2B41047442209333@46.165.242.75>, Phil Dago wrote:

> > > John:
> > > Twenty years ago I first dropped into CSMA. It was supposed to
> > > be a Mac
> >
> > > advocacy group but at that time hardly any effective advocacy
> > > was performed. I remember Joe Ragosta who went by the name
> > > Macman as I recall. Unfortunately he passed a few years ago at
> > > the young age of 55.
> >
> > > There was a guy named George Graves who was an interesting
> > > character who was into high end audio. Think he must have passed
> > > also. There was Sandman(hope he is still OK. Alan is still
> > > around - not doing any real advocacy. Cannot remember the
> > > others.
> >
> > > Back then in 2001 the Mac was a total piece of junk and I was a
> > > Windows
> >
> > > XP backer. By 2004 and an improving OS X I bought my first Mac.
> > > Ever since I have been a Mac advocate. Thing about how far Mac
> > > has come since my first experiences with it at work in the
> > > nineties. Classic Mac
> >
> > > OS sure was an embarrasment.
> >
> Snit turned CSMA into a troll fest so many of the regulars left.
> AFAIK, Sandman is still alive and kicking.

More or less :)

--
Sandman