1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.

2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.

pt

On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 08:28:39 -0700 (PDT), "pete...@gmail.com"
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

>1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.

Well, good for us.

Here's hoping for a smooth experience!

>2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>
>pt
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>
> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>
> pt

Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I will
pass.

Having read a few of Robert J. Sawyer's essays, I can just imagine what
he said. Too bad there was not a URL.

Lynn

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 6:41:40 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
> >
> > 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
> > about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>
> Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I will
> pass.
>
> Having read a few of Robert J. Sawyer's essays, I can just imagine what
> he said. Too bad there was not a URL.

https://www.ichongqing.info/2023/10/19/exceeding-all-hopes-robert-j-sawyer-on-why-chinas-worldcon-is-the-best/
has a number of excerpts.

On 26/10/2023 17.41, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>>
>> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>>
>> pt
>
> Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I will pass.

According to
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates>

Seattle is ranked at #77 for murder and non-negligent manslaughter
(with 3.74 per 100,000). Texas cities with higher rates include
Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Corpus Christi, Denton,
Arlington, and Laredo.

--
Michael F. Stemper
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>>
>> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>>
>> pt
>
>Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I will
>pass.

What bizarre alternate reality do you live in?

On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 12:25:29 AM UTC+11, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 26/10/2023 17.41, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
> >>
> >> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
> >> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
> >>
> >> pt
> >
> > Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I will pass.
> According to
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates>
>
> Seattle is ranked at #77 for murder and non-negligent manslaughter
> (with 3.74 per 100,000). Texas cities with higher rates include
> Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Corpus Christi, Denton,
> Arlington, and Laredo.
>
Stop confusing Lynn by bringing facts into the discussion.
He stands for truthiness like any good GOP follower...

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:25:23 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
<michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 26/10/2023 17.41, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>>>
>>> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>>> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>>>
>>> pt
>>
>> Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I will pass.
>
>According to
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates>
>
>Seattle is ranked at #77 for murder and non-negligent manslaughter
>(with 3.74 per 100,000). Texas cities with higher rates include
>Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Corpus Christi, Denton,
>Arlington, and Laredo.

Shhhh ... you'll confuse him with the facts.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 13:53:11 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>>>
>>> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>>> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>>>
>>> pt
>>
>>Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I will
>>pass.
>
>What bizarre alternate reality do you live in?

Judging from local Nextdoor posters with similar attitudes, most like
the Putin/Trump alternative.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

In article <bhP_M.319904$w4ec.294754@fx14.iad>,
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
> >On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
> >>
> >> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
> >> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
> >>
> >> pt
> >
> >Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I will
> >pass.
>
> What bizarre alternate reality do you live in?

Well, the Seattle area murder rate did jump during the pandemic and
hasn't retreated much. There have also been home invasions (of older
Asian-Americans) and recently high school students have been mugged on
their way home from school. So, just how much media attention this
received elsewhere?

--
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�-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

On 10/27/2023 9:15 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 13:53:11 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
>
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>>>> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>>>>
>>>> pt
>>>
>>> Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I will
>>> pass.
>>
>> What bizarre alternate reality do you live in?
>
> Judging from local Nextdoor posters with similar attitudes, most like
> the Putin/Trump alternative.

So they prefer to be randomly targeted by government officials.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 9:53:16 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
> >On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
> >>
> >> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
> >> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
> >>
> >> pt
> >
> >Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I will
> >pass.
> What bizarre alternate reality do you live in?

In MAGA land. Where all liberal areas are worse in every respect than
conservative ones. Where numbers magically sway and pivot into
acceptable forms.

You may recall that during the pandemic Lynn claimed that Canada had
several times more deaths per capita than the US, and cited numbers to prove it.

Magical numbers.

William Hyde

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 13:17:46 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 10/27/2023 9:15 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 13:53:11 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>>>>> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>>>>>
>>>>> pt
>>>>
>>>> Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I will
>>>> pass.
>>>
>>> What bizarre alternate reality do you live in?
>>
>> Judging from local Nextdoor posters with similar attitudes, most like
>> the Putin/Trump alternative.
>
>So they prefer to be randomly targeted by government officials.

1. It's not random. It's /very/ specific.
2. Criminals are targetted by gummint officials as a matter of course.
Just ask your neighborhood jewel thief or second-story man.
3. I doubt that Putin is being targetted by Russian gummint officials.
At least, not in the sense you mean. And certainly not randomly.

BTW, "like" in the bit you responded to should have been "likely".
Sorry for any confusion.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 09:49:07 -0700, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

>In article <bhP_M.319904$w4ec.294754@fx14.iad>,
> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>> >On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>> >>
>> >> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>> >> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>> >>
>> >> pt
>> >
>> >Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I will
>> >pass.
>>
>> What bizarre alternate reality do you live in?
>
>Well, the Seattle area murder rate did jump during the pandemic and
>hasn't retreated much. There have also been home invasions (of older
>Asian-Americans) and recently high school students have been mugged on
>their way home from school. So, just how much media attention this
>received elsewhere?

If only older Asian-Americans are suffering home invasions, then we
Lynn may not need to worry about it. The FBI should be, as that would
clearly be a Civil Rights problem.

The question is, is this /unique/ to Seattle or is it shared by, say,
cities in Texas? If its as dangerous there as it is here, then Lynn
should have no problem coming. Not wanting to come at all would, of
course, be a perfectly good reason not to, requiring no explanation.

The last stats I saw (working from memory here) showed property crimes
up, violent crimes down -- neither by much. But that was, at best,
2022 and could have been as far back as 2020.

Both were decidedly lower than, say, 20 years ago, BTW.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>>>
>>> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>>> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>>>
>>> pt
>>
>>Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I will
>>pass.
>
>What bizarre alternate reality do you live in?

I suspect that more crime occurs in one office on Wall Street than in
all of the Pacific Northwest.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>You may recall that during the pandemic Lynn claimed that Canada had
>several times more deaths per capita than the US, and cited numbers to pro=
>ve it.

There is ALWAYS one death per capita. Never two. So far never zero.
Jesus may be an outlier.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 28 Oct 2023 16:51:42 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>You may recall that during the pandemic Lynn claimed that Canada had
>>several times more deaths per capita than the US, and cited numbers to pro>>ve it.
>
>There is ALWAYS one death per capita. Never two. So far never zero.
>Jesus may be an outlier.

So, you agree that those who were declared dead but came back (there
is, apparently, an entire documentary film on their experiences while
dead) were only /clinically/ dead? 'Cause otherwise they will,
eventually, have 2 deaths per capita.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>On 28 Oct 2023 16:51:42 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>
>>William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>You may recall that during the pandemic Lynn claimed that Canada had
>>>several times more deaths per capita than the US, and cited numbers to=
> pro=3D
>>>ve it.
>>
>>There is ALWAYS one death per capita. Never two. So far never zero.
>>Jesus may be an outlier.
>
>So, you agree that those who were declared dead but came back (there
>is, apparently, an entire documentary film on their experiences while
>dead) were only /clinically/ dead? 'Cause otherwise they will,
>eventually, have 2 deaths per capita.

Miracle Max explains that some people are really dead but other people are
only mostly dead. The Chicago Tribune explains that being dead means you
are no longer allowed to vote.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 10/27/2023 8:25 AM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 26/10/2023 17.41, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>>>
>>> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>>> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>>>
>>> pt
>>
>> Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I
>> will pass.
>
> According to
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates>
>
> Seattle is ranked at #77 for murder and non-negligent manslaughter
> (with 3.74 per 100,000). Texas cities with higher rates include
> Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Corpus Christi, Denton,
> Arlington, and Laredo.

I try to stay out of Houston too but I drove across it Friday to my
uncle's house 65 miles away (southwest side to northeast side).

Lynn

On 10/27/2023 8:25 AM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 26/10/2023 17.41, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>>>
>>> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>>> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>>>
>>> pt
>>
>> Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I
>> will pass.
>
> According to
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates>
>
> Seattle is ranked at #77 for murder and non-negligent manslaughter
> (with 3.74 per 100,000). Texas cities with higher rates include
> Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Corpus Christi, Denton,
> Arlington, and Laredo.

Plus in Texas, I carry. Usually a .357 with either 5 rounds or 7
rounds. My carry license is good for several other states but not WA state.

Lynn

In article <uhepuv$1sr2u$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>>
>> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>>
>> pt
>
>Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I will
>pass.

[Hal Heydt]
Source?

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>On 10/27/2023 8:25 AM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>> On 26/10/2023 17.41, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>>>> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>>>>
>>>> pt
>>>
>>> Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I
>>> will pass.
>>
>> According to
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates>
>>
>> Seattle is ranked at #77 for murder and non-negligent manslaughter
>> (with 3.74 per 100,000). Texas cities with higher rates include
>> Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Corpus Christi, Denton,
>> Arlington, and Laredo.
>
>I try to stay out of Houston too but I drove across it Friday to my
>uncle's house 65 miles away (southwest side to northeast side).

Why do you think anyone cares?

In article <uhn0pj$4u2l$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 10/27/2023 8:25 AM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>> On 26/10/2023 17.41, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>>>> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>>>>
>>>> pt
>>>
>>> Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I
>>> will pass.
>>
>> According to
>>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates>
>>
>> Seattle is ranked at #77 for murder and non-negligent manslaughter
>> (with 3.74 per 100,000). Texas cities with higher rates include
>> Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Corpus Christi, Denton,
>> Arlington, and Laredo.
>
>I try to stay out of Houston too but I drove across it Friday to my
>uncle's house 65 miles away (southwest side to northeast side).

Why are Republicans so timid and easily scared? Is this environmental
or innate? And is there a treatment for them so they can, I don't,
shit without being terrified their toilet paper is secretly Antifa?

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In article <%uO%M.31011$3um9.14452@fx06.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>On 10/27/2023 8:25 AM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>>> On 26/10/2023 17.41, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>>>>> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>>>>>
>>>>> pt
>>>>
>>>> Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I
>>>> will pass.
>>>
>>> According to
>>>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates>
>>>
>>> Seattle is ranked at #77 for murder and non-negligent manslaughter
>>> (with 3.74 per 100,000). Texas cities with higher rates include
>>> Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Corpus Christi, Denton,
>>> Arlington, and Laredo.
>>
>>I try to stay out of Houston too but I drove across it Friday to my
>>uncle's house 65 miles away (southwest side to northeast side).
>
>Why do you think anyone cares?

Because we often drop personal anecdotes into posts on this group?
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 13:53:49 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:

>In article <uhn0pj$4u2l$1@dont-email.me>,
>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 10/27/2023 8:25 AM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>>> On 26/10/2023 17.41, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> 1. Seattle has won the 2025 bid.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Gary McGrath and Keith Lynch have some choice remarks
>>>>> about Robert J Sawyer's unctuous GoH speech to his Chinese hosts.
>>>>>
>>>>> pt
>>>>
>>>> Given that Seattle is one of the higher crime cities in the USA, I
>>>> will pass.
>>>
>>> According to
>>>
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates>
>>>
>>> Seattle is ranked at #77 for murder and non-negligent manslaughter
>>> (with 3.74 per 100,000). Texas cities with higher rates include
>>> Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Corpus Christi, Denton,
>>> Arlington, and Laredo.
>>
>>I try to stay out of Houston too but I drove across it Friday to my
>>uncle's house 65 miles away (southwest side to northeast side).
>
>Why are Republicans so timid and easily scared? Is this environmental
>or innate? And is there a treatment for them so they can, I don't,
>shit without being terrified their toilet paper is secretly Antifa?

Actually, I noticed 10-15 years ago that, so far as Republicans in
general were concerned, the terrorists had won: they were terrorized.

Sane people, including sane Republicans, of course, were not. We still
think we can at least control the situation, if not "win" (whatever
"win" might mean in this context).
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"