On 11/27/2023 2:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 9/26/2023 7:56 AM, WolfFan wrote:
>>> On Sep 26, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
>>> (in article <uetmtk$2bjvr$1@dont-email.me>):
>>>
>>>> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in September 2023:
>>>>
>>>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
>>>
>>> Giant plot holes with respect to biology, physics, logic...
>>>>
>>>> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
>>>> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
>>>> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
>>>> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
>>>> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
>>>> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
>>>
>>> major plot hole due to physics
>>>>
>>>> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
>>>> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
>>>> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
>>>
>>> too many guns
>>>>
>>>> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
>>>
>>> he really loves things that go boom
>>>>
>>>> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>>> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>>> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
>>>> 15. “Going Home” by A. American
>>>> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
>>>> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
>>>> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
>>>> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
>>>> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
>>>> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
>>>> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
>>>> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
>>>> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
>>>> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
>>>> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
>>>> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>
>> You can never have too many guns.
>
> Most americans (68%) don't have guns. Don't need guns. And don't want guns.

You are wrong again. "Most American households have gun owners, poll
shows: ‘Stunning number’"
https://nypost.com/2023/11/22/news/most-american-households-have-gun-owners-poll-shows/

"A majority of American households include at least one gun owner,
according to a new survey that also shows a sharp increase in the number
of firearm owners over the past decade."

"The NBC News national poll found that 52% of Americans say they or
someone in their household owns a firearm, the highest share since the
outlet first surveyed the question in 1999."

Lynn

On 9/27/2023 11:39 PM, Hamish Laws wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:56:26 PM UTC+10, WolfFan wrote:
>> On Sep 26, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
>> (in article <uetmtk$2bjvr$1...@dont-email.me>):
>>> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in September 2023:
>>>
>>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
>> Giant plot holes with respect to biology, physics, logic...
>
> It's not aiming for hard science fiction...
>
>>> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
>> major plot hole due to physics
>
> When the basic idea of the book is "almost all technnology stops working" don't expect it to fit with real world science.
>>>
>>> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
>> too many guns
>
> That's a matter of personal taste, I'm not a big guns fan but Ringo does do a good job of starting series that involve a lot of violence and making them reasonable.
> Completing the series is another matter, he's dropped a fair few I was interested in and his "of course the SS were elite soldiers and will save Europe" in Wath on the Rhine, a book he cowrote with Kratman, and "only christianity and religious people are worthwhile" in The Tuloriad and Queen of Wands (which as I recall from 1 read back when it was has a main character who's incredibly competent but because she's female she has to obey her husband in all things and he's a clueless arsehole) makes me less likely to read future releases
>
> Also dubious about anybody who chooses to write about 2 main characters who are attracted to the idea of raping people but hold themselves back...
>>>
>>> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
>> he really loves things that go boom
>
> at a much higher level of booming

Has John Ringo ever finished a series ?

Lynn

On 11/27/2023 11:24 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>
> You can never have too many guns.  Just ask General Custer who left his
> Gatling guns behind for his last march.
>
They wouldn't have made a difference at Little Big Horn.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>On 11/27/2023 2:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 9/26/2023 7:56 AM, WolfFan wrote:
>>>> On Sep 26, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
>>>> (in article <uetmtk$2bjvr$1@dont-email.me>):
>>>>
>>>>> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in September 2023:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
>>>>
>>>> Giant plot holes with respect to biology, physics, logic...
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
>>>>> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
>>>>> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
>>>>> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
>>>>> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
>>>>> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
>>>>
>>>> major plot hole due to physics
>>>>>
>>>>> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
>>>>> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
>>>>> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
>>>>
>>>> too many guns
>>>>>
>>>>> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
>>>>
>>>> he really loves things that go boom
>>>>>
>>>>> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>>>> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>>>> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
>>>>> 15. “Going Home” by A. American
>>>>> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
>>>>> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
>>>>> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
>>>>> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
>>>>> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
>>>>> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
>>>>> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
>>>>> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
>>>>> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
>>>>> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
>>>>> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
>>>>> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> You can never have too many guns.
>>
>> Most americans (68%) don't have guns. Don't need guns. And don't want guns.
>
>You are wrong again. "Most American households have gun owners, poll
>shows: ‘Stunning number’"
>
>https://nypost.com/2023/11/22/news/most-american-households-have-gun-owners-poll-shows/
>
>"A majority of American households include at least one gun owner,

https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx

"Thirty-two percent of U.S. adults say they personally own a gun"

"while a larger percentage, 44%, report living in a gun household"

Pay attention. 68% of americans do not own a gun. And of the 44%,
most of them are too young to legally purchase a gun.

On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 15:42:41 -0600, the following appeared
in alt.books.david-weber, posted by Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>:

>On 11/27/2023 2:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 9/26/2023 7:56 AM, WolfFan wrote:
>>>> On Sep 26, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
>>>> (in article <uetmtk$2bjvr$1@dont-email.me>):
>>>>
>>>>> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in September 2023:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
>>>>
>>>> Giant plot holes with respect to biology, physics, logic...
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
>>>>> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
>>>>> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
>>>>> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
>>>>> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
>>>>> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
>>>>
>>>> major plot hole due to physics
>>>>>
>>>>> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
>>>>> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
>>>>> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
>>>>
>>>> too many guns
>>>>>
>>>>> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
>>>>
>>>> he really loves things that go boom
>>>>>
>>>>> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>>>> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
>>>>> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
>>>>> 15. “Going Home” by A. American
>>>>> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
>>>>> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
>>>>> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
>>>>> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
>>>>> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
>>>>> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
>>>>> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
>>>>> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
>>>>> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
>>>>> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
>>>>> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
>>>>> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> You can never have too many guns.
>>
>> Most americans (68%) don't have guns. Don't need guns. And don't want guns.
>
>You are wrong again. "Most American households have gun owners, poll
>shows: ‘Stunning number’"
>
>https://nypost.com/2023/11/22/news/most-american-households-have-gun-owners-poll-shows/
>
>"A majority of American households include at least one gun owner,
>according to a new survey that also shows a sharp increase in the number
>of firearm owners over the past decade."
>
>"The NBC News national poll found that 52% of Americans say they or
>someone in their household owns a firearm, the highest share since the
>outlet first surveyed the question in 1999."
>
I suspect a game of semantics; his "68%" probably includes
ALL Americans, from birth on up. And the objections to some
of the books posted by a previous respondent indicate a lack
of comprehension - "major plot hole due to physics" about
what is essentially a fantasy?; "too may guns" about a
zombie apocalypse? Sheesh...

BTW, your data are correct, and may even be significantly
low; very few would claim to have a gun when they don't,
while the converse, especially in today's leftist and
litigious (BIRM) climate, is probably not true.
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

On 11/27/2023 3:54 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 11/27/2023 11:24 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>
>> You can never have too many guns.  Just ask General Custer who left
>> his Gatling guns behind for his last march.
>>
> They wouldn't have made a difference at Little Big Horn.

Why not ?

Lynn

On 11/27/2023 3:22 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 11/27/2023 3:54 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 11/27/2023 11:24 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>
>>> You can never have too many guns.  Just ask General Custer who left
>>> his Gatling guns behind for his last march.
>>>
>> They wouldn't have made a difference at Little Big Horn.
>
> Why not ?
>
Custer's command was split into multiple sub-units, allowing them to be
defeated in detail. (Except one which had the good sense to bug-out
ASAP after their first contact.) Also much of the battle was a running
battle, the "fixed position" bit didn't occur until the very end by
which point the US Army units were surrounded and massively
out-numbered. Gatling guns can't fire on the move and even when set up
(which takes time) they didn't have a rate of fire comparable to current
automatic weapons and didn't have enough munitions to have tipped the
balance.

About the only way I can see Gatling Guns saving Custer and his command
was by slowing them down enough that the Native Americans had simply
left by the time the 7th Cavalry reached Little Big Horn. That was why
Custer left them behind in the first place.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 8:39:47 PM UTC, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
> >On 9/26/2023 7:56 AM, WolfFan wrote:
> >> On Sep 26, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
> >> (in article <uetmtk$2bjvr$1...@dont-email.me>):
> >>
> >>> Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in September 2023:
> >>>
> >>> 1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
> >>
> >> Giant plot holes with respect to biology, physics, logic...
> >>>
> >>> 2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
> >>> 3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
> >>> 4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
> >>> 5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
> >>> 6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
> >>> 7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
> >>
> >> major plot hole due to physics
> >>>
> >>> 8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
> >>> 9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
> >>> 10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
> >>
> >> too many guns
> >>>
> >>> 11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
> >>
> >> he really loves things that go boom
> >>>
> >>> 12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
> >>> 13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
> >>> 14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
> >>> 15. “Going Home” by A. American
> >>> 16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
> >>> 17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
> >>> 18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
> >>> 19. “The Postman” by David Brin
> >>> 20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
> >>> 21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
> >>> 22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
> >>> 23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
> >>> 24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
> >>> 25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
> >>> 26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
> >>> 27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
> >>>
> >>> Lynn
> >
> >You can never have too many guns.
> Most americans (68%) don't have guns. Don't need guns. And don't want guns.
Just to point out a different viewpoint. When I grew up in N.Ireland even the sale of some weedkillers was banned (because Sodium Chlorate is both an effective weedkiller and a potential oxidising agent from which to build IEDs). Subtracting from 100%, the idea of a society in which 32% of any civilian category has access to guns looks a little odd to me. Curiously, I see from Wikipedia that the EU has banned Sodium Chlorate as a weedkiller, purportedly because of its toxicity.

On 11/27/2023 10:59 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 11/27/2023 3:22 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 11/27/2023 3:54 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 11/27/2023 11:24 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can never have too many guns.  Just ask General Custer who left
>>>> his Gatling guns behind for his last march.
>>>>
>>> They wouldn't have made a difference at Little Big Horn.
>>
>> Why not ?
>>
> Custer's command was split into multiple sub-units, allowing them to be
> defeated in detail.  (Except one which had the good sense to bug-out
> ASAP after their first contact.)  Also much of the battle was a running
> battle, the "fixed position" bit didn't occur until the very end by
> which point the US Army units were surrounded and massively
> out-numbered.  Gatling guns can't fire on the move and even when set up
> (which takes time) they didn't have a rate of fire comparable to current
> automatic weapons and didn't have enough munitions to have tipped the
> balance.
>
> About the only way I can see Gatling Guns saving Custer and his command
> was by slowing them down enough that the Native Americans had simply
> left by the time the 7th Cavalry reached Little Big Horn.  That was why
> Custer left them behind in the first place.

Wikipedia says that the Indians had at least 20 Henry lever action
rifles spread among their best shooters. Custer's army had old breech
loaders and single action revolvers. Not good. Outmanned and outgunned.

Lynn