On 2022-03-17 15:34:27 +0000, Sandman said:
> In article <t0tk52$1g40$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Hank Rogers:
>>> Then you must be a jock strap.
>>
>> Question: Why am I here?
>> Answer: To prove the iKooks are liars using facts.
>
> Cool, when will you start? I'll get the popcorn.

You'll need to have a massive mountain of salt with it.

On 2022-03-17 15:18:04 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

>> So that's built-in.
>
> Works great.

How did you get running graphs for each nearby ap?

In article <t0vohc$1d93$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli wrote:

> > Sandman:
> > I'll get the popcorn
>
> Sandman is Alan Baker proving he owns the mind of a small child.

Hey, my popcorn is going stale, when are you going to start?

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In message <sandman-fa4f03573ef84223701c97ac19a17533@individual.net> Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> Hey, my popcorn is going stale, when are you going to start?

Please, every time you're going to reply to him imagine that little
chubby he gets and think again. Do you really want to be responsible for
the only sexual stimulation that obese naked troglodyte gets in his
life? Please, think of that image first.

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Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> In article <t0vohc$1d93$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>
>>> Sandman:
>>> I'll get the popcorn
>>
>> Sandman is Alan Baker proving he owns the mind of a small child.
>
> Hey, my popcorn is going stale, when are you going to start?

Sweet or salty?

On 2022-03-18, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>> In article <t0vohc$1d93$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>
>>>> Sandman:
>>>> I'll get the popcorn
>>>
>>> Sandman is Alan Baker proving he owns the mind of a small child.
>>
>> Hey, my popcorn is going stale, when are you going to start?
>
> Sweet or salty?

Considering Arlen's chubby is involved, I doubt you really want to
know...

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-03-18, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>>> In article <t0vohc$1d93$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Sandman:
>>>>> I'll get the popcorn
>>>>
>>>> Sandman is Alan Baker proving he owns the mind of a small child.
>>>
>>> Hey, my popcorn is going stale, when are you going to start?
>>
>> Sweet or salty?
>
> Considering Arlen's chubby is involved, I doubt you really want to
> know...
>
I now hate popcorn. Thanks. It took this subthread to do that.

In comp.sys.mac.system Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-03-16, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> >
> > 'How to check Wi-Fi signal strength on an iPhone
> >
> > Install the AirPort Utility from the App Store.
> >
> > Open the Settings app and scroll down until you see Airport Utility. Tap
> > on it, then tap Wi-Fi Scanner to enable this feature.
> >
> > How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
> >
> > Now run AirPort Utility and you should see a blue Wi-Fi scan option at
> > the top-right. Tap Scan and you???ll see all the Wi-Fi networks in range
> > of your iPhone.
> >
> > How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
> >
> > As continuous scan is the default, the values will change over time. You
> > can adjust the Scan Duration slider so the results only update for the
> > period you set.
> >
> > Look at the RSSI value of your own network (which may not be top of the
> > list) and check the value.'
> >
> ><https://www.techadvisor.com/how-to/network-wifi/check-wi-fi-signal-strength-3803538/>
> >
> > So that's built-in.

> Works great.

Ditto even when Airport isn't needed. It would be nice if there was one
for cellular since iPhone's Field Test Mode doesn't update in real time
in newer iOS versions. :(

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In comp.sys.mac.system gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2022-03-17 15:18:04 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> >> So that's built-in.
> >
> > Works great.

> How did you get running graphs for each nearby ap?

I think that's only in Android.
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On 2022-03-18 21:28:32 +0000, Ant said:

>>>> So that's built-in.
>>>
>>> Works great.
>
>> How did you get running graphs for each nearby ap?
>
> I think that's only in Android.

How did the first two posters get the running graphs in iOS then?

On 3/16/2022 2:26 PM, Alan wrote:

<snip>

> <https://www.techadvisor.com/how-to/network-wifi/check-wi-fi-signal-strength-3803538/>
>
>
> So that's built-in.

Yes, there is a Wi-Fi scanner hidden in the old AirPort utility but it's
very rudimentary.

If you want to a graphical representation you can do it on an iPhone but
you need an external device, the WiPry 2500x
<https://www.oscium.com/spectrum-analyzers/wipry-2500x> which is very
expensive.

What is infuriating is that apps for graphical representation of signal
strength used to be available on the Apple App store but were removed
for some unknown reason. Even the Jailbreak tweaks are no longer
available
<http://cydia.saurik.com/package/com.dynamicallyloaded.wififofumpro/>,
suggesting that updates of iOS caused the Jailbreak tweak to stop
functioning.

I detail this in #107a in the document
<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>.

---------------------------------------•-----------------------------------------
✓ 33 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they Had ✓
✓ 141 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish
they Had ✓

<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>

✓ 61 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of
Citations ✓

✓ 100% Fact Checked ✓
---------------------------------------•-----------------------------------------

In article <t14vip$e38$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> What is infuriating is that apps for graphical representation of signal
> strength used to be available on the Apple App store but were removed
> for some unknown reason. Even the Jailbreak tweaks are no longer
> available

the reasons are well known (apis changed) and the demand is
insufficient to bother writing new ones. this is particularly true with
modern wifi base stations that can auto-configure themselves in a mesh
configuration (or even solo).

that said, there's nothing preventing anyone from writing a super-fancy
graphical display, other than there's no return on investment, making
it not particularly attractive.

> I detail this in #107a in the document

more incorrect info, which you'll never correct.

On 2022-03-19, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2022-03-18 21:28:32 +0000, Ant said:
>
>>>>> So that's built-in.
>>>>
>>>> Works great.
>>
>>> How did you get running graphs for each nearby ap?
>>
>> I think that's only in Android.
>
> How did the first two posters get the running graphs in iOS then?

You mean with Wi-Fi Sweetspots?:

<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wi-fi-sweetspots/id855457383?uo=4&at=11l6hc&app=itunes&ct=fnd>

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On 2022-03-19 15:00:32 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

>>>>>> So that's built-in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Works great.
>>>
>>>> How did you get running graphs for each nearby ap?
>>>
>>> I think that's only in Android.
>>
>> How did the first two posters get the running graphs in iOS then?
>
> You mean with Wi-Fi Sweetspots?:
>
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wi-fi-sweetspots/id855457383?uo=4&at=11l6hc&app=itunes&ct=fnd>

Where's the running graph?

On 2022-03-19 3:25 p.m., gtr wrote:
> On 2022-03-19 15:00:32 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>
>>>>>>> So that's built-in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Works great.
>>>>
>>>>> How did you get running graphs for each nearby ap?
>>>>
>>>> I think that's only in Android.
>>>
>>> How did the first two posters get the running graphs in iOS then?
>>
>> You mean with Wi-Fi Sweetspots?:
>>
>> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wi-fi-sweetspots/id855457383?uo=4&at=11l6hc&app=itunes&ct=fnd>
>>
>
> Where's the running graph?

Why does that matter?

Ant wrote:

>>> 'How to check Wi-Fi signal strength on an iPhone
>>>
>>> Install the AirPort Utility from the App Store.
>>>
>>> Open the Settings app and scroll down until you see Airport Utility. Tap
>>> on it, then tap Wi-Fi Scanner to enable this feature.
>>>
>>> How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
>>>
>>> Now run AirPort Utility and you should see a blue Wi-Fi scan option at
>>> the top-right. Tap Scan and you???ll see all the Wi-Fi networks in range
>>> of your iPhone.
>>>
>>> How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
>>>
>>> As continuous scan is the default, the values will change over time. You
>>> can adjust the Scan Duration slider so the results only update for the
>>> period you set.
>>>
>>> Look at the RSSI value of your own network (which may not be top of the
>>> list) and check the value.'
>>>
>>><https://www.techadvisor.com/how-to/network-wifi/check-wi-fi-signal-strength-3803538/>
>>>
>>> So that's built-in.
>
>> Works great.
>
> Ditto even when Airport isn't needed.

Ant,

iOS is clearly & obviously crippled compared to what Android can do here:
<https://i.postimg.cc/CKFhMZtS/signal03.jpg> celltower realtime location

I'm going to be honest with you... (I apologize in advance) because I've
covered everything in this thread for years and you Apple idiots are too
stupid to realize what Steve and I both know about how iOS is crippled.

Steve and I are well educated.
You're apparently not.

Hence, you literally don't even realize what "signal strength" means.
And that's just really horribly sad because we've explained it many times.

I repeat: I know you have a low IQ because we explained this many times.
And you still don't get it. None of the child-like Apple posters here do.

Only Steve gets it (and he's an EE, as am I).

You will never comprehend any related topic if you can't comprehend what
signal strength means in terms of either wi-fi or cellular radio signals.

However...

I realize you're not an iKook but your IQ is pretty low if you say that.
Even nospam, whose IQ is no better than 80, wouldn't claim what you said.
It's only Jolly Roger and Alan Baker (who together get to 80) who did.

Please exercise your brain when you say "ditto" as they're IQ 40 morons.
Even nospam doesn't know what signal strength is and his IQ is double that.

> It would be nice if there was one
> for cellular since iPhone's Field Test Mode doesn't update in real time
> in newer iOS versions. :(

Ant,

You clearly have a low IQ (as we've covered this in detail many times).
And you lack formal education (you don't know what "signal strength" is).

What saves you from being an iKook is you don't derive all of your self
esteem from the brilliant Apple marketing (unsupported) claims & gimmicks.
<https://i.postimg.cc/4xgmTTgm/wifi01.jpg> graphical radio debuggers
<https://i.postimg.cc/Hn05bQwG/wifi02.jpg> Cellular-Z by Jersey Ho

BTW, with respect to iOS always being shockingly crippled, note the free ad
free google free apps _also_ have cellular signal strength moving graphs:
<https://i.postimg.cc/xCbVQ2pj/signal02.jpg> cell signal strength graph
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nospam wrote:

> the reasons are well known (apis changed) and the demand is
> insufficient to bother writing new ones. this is particularly true with
> modern wifi base stations that can auto-configure themselves in a mesh
> configuration (or even solo).

I think it's interesting that you lie that the "demand is insufficient"
given there are more Android "Wi-Fi Signal Strength" apps than I want to
count (which, if you don't know this, then it's not a lie - it's ignorance).
<https://play.google.com/store/search?q=wi-fi%20signal%20strength&c=apps>

Either you lied.
Or you're stupid.
(Pick one)

What makes you an iKook, nospam, are the confluence of three traits:
a. You derive all your self esteem from supposed Apple capability
b. And yet, you lack the education to realize Apple lied to you
c. Worse, you lack the IQ to even comprehend what "signal strength" is

You _still_ think megabits per second are the same as decibels, nospam.
We covered this in detail _years_ ago - and you still haven't learned.

That's how I know your IQ can't be even close to what is an average IQ.
And I know you have low self esteem by the way you fabricate iOS apps.

None of the iOS apps you fabricate exist, let alone _can_ exist.
You are literally too ignorant about coding to even realize that fact.

On Android, the demand is _huge_ as there are _plenty_ of apps for that.
<https://i.postimg.cc/fLC4zcm6/wifi04.jpg> Many signal strength apps

Either way, you iKooks _hate_ that iOS is always so very crippled by Apple.
> that said, there's nothing preventing anyone from writing a super-fancy
> graphical display, other than there's no return on investment, making
> it not particularly attractive.

Yes there is.
You simply own too low of an IQ to realize why they don't exist on iOS.

This thread is proof of two facts I've learned about you iKooks:
a. Jolly Roger and Alan Baker own an IQ that is no higher than 40.
b. People like nospam are no higher than double that of those two.

None of you even know the difference between a decibel & a megabit/second.
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On 2022-03-19, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2022-03-19 15:00:32 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>
>>>>>>> So that's built-in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Works great.
>>>>
>>>>> How did you get running graphs for each nearby ap?
>>>>
>>>> I think that's only in Android.
>>>
>>> How did the first two posters get the running graphs in iOS then?
>>
>> You mean with Wi-Fi Sweetspots?:
>>
>> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wi-fi-sweetspots/id855457383?uo=4&at=11l6hc&app=itunes&ct=fnd>
>
> Where's the running graph?

The first and second screenshots show a running graph. It's also shown
in the video Arlen posted:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QaABa6DFIo&feature=youtu.be>

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On 2022-03-19 21:54:12 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

>> Where's the running graph?
>
> The first and second screenshots show a running graph. It's also shown
> in the video Arlen posted:
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QaABa6DFIo&feature=youtu.be>

Does anyone else (like nospam maybe?) confirm what you are saying?

In article <t16a2p$jpe$1@dont-email.me>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> >> Where's the running graph?
> >
> > The first and second screenshots show a running graph. It's also shown
> > in the video Arlen posted:
> >
> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QaABa6DFIo&feature=youtu.be>
>
> Does anyone else (like nospam maybe?) confirm what you are saying?

that video does show a running graph, however, it's not signal strength.

it's very easy for an app to show a graph of whatever data source it
wants, moving or static.

On 2022-03-20, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2022-03-19 21:54:12 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>
>>> Where's the running graph?
>>
>> The first and second screenshots show a running graph. It's also
>> shown in the video Arlen posted:
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QaABa6DFIo&feature=youtu.be>
>
> Does anyone else (like nospam maybe?) confirm what you are saying?

The fuck? I downloaded Wi-Fi Sweetspots years ago and can confirm that
it shows a running graph from first-hand experience. And so could you if
you othered to install the app yourself. You don't need other people to
tell you anything about the app. It's a free app you can install in a
few seconds and run yourself. Are you just trolling?

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On 2022-03-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <t16a2p$jpe$1@dont-email.me>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>
>> >> Where's the running graph?
>> >
>> > The first and second screenshots show a running graph. It's also
>> > shown in the video Arlen posted:
>> >
>> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QaABa6DFIo&feature=youtu.be>
>>
>> Does anyone else (like nospam maybe?) confirm what you are saying?
>
> that video does show a running graph, however, it's not signal
> strength.

Correct - it's throughput (bandwidth), but it's a running graph and as
you walk around your house, you cam see how it changes according to your
distance from the router.

> it's very easy for an app to show a graph of whatever data source it
> wants, moving or static.

Of course.

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On 3/16/2022 2:26 PM, Alan wrote:

<snip>

> <https://www.techadvisor.com/how-to/network-wifi/check-wi-fi-signal-strength-3803538/>
>
>
> So that's built-in.

You can't equate the Airport Utility, or "Wi-Fi Sweetspots" with an
Android App like Wi-Fi Analyzer
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer>.
The differences are stark.

I watched that video that was mentioned and whoever made it doesn't
understand the reality of what is required in such an app, and was just
making the video in an attempt to...well you know what it was an attempt
to do.

If someone really needs to be configuring Wi-Fi networks for optimal
performance (and few people have that need) then they can just buy a
cheap Android device that supports ac, n, g, a, and b, and use the
Wi-Fi Analyzer App.

For $60 you can buy a Samsung A03s to use, without cellular service, for
various Android apps for which there is no iOS equivalent. No Wi-Fi 6
(ax) on the lower cost phones yet, so if that's an issue you're up
around $300 unless you buy a refurbished phone (like one from the
Samsung Galaxy S10 family). We have two phones in the houses with
802.11ax, an iPhone SE2020 and a Samsung Galaxy S10E.

I recall when I was contracting for a company manufacturing complex
devices that used a GPS receiver inside. Because we could not use
external antennas, getting a GPS fix could take a while. Setup for the
device was faster if you could input the NMEA data when you received it
so we wrote an Android App for setup. Unfortunately, iOS doesn't allow
apps that provide the NMEA data so we could not do an iOS version of the
App despite repeated requests. The solution was to include a cheap
Android phone to run the app. At the time you could buy a locked
Tracfone device for around $20, and the device we sold was expensive
enough that $20 was not an issue. It would never be activated but it was
only needed to run Android apps not connect to a cellular network.

In article <t17nf6$pu4$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> If someone really needs to be configuring Wi-Fi networks for optimal
> performance (and few people have that need)

supply and demand. developers have better and more lucrative things to
do than write an app few people need.

> then they can just buy a
> cheap Android device that supports ac, n, g, a, and b, and use the
> Wi-Fi Analyzer App.

no need, since modern wifi access points self-configure themselves, in
particular, the mesh units.

On 2022-03-20 10:50:30 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

>> that video does show a running graph, however, it's not signal
>> strength.
>
> Correct - it's throughput (bandwidth), but it's a running graph and as
> you walk around your house, you cam see how it changes according to your
> distance from the router.

Why did you say it showed a wifi signal strength graph if it didn't do that?

>
>> it's very easy for an app to show a graph of whatever data source it
>> wants, moving or static.
>
> Of course.

What app?