On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 1:35:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-07 06:13, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 4:07:12 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-05 12:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:02:20 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-05-04 14:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be easy, right? After all, everyone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current and former Major League
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even rocket scientists tell me that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racing a car is the hardest thing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they’ve ever done.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never raced how hard they think it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would be, they’ll likely relate it to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having driven a mountain highway, or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across the country. I’ve received
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responses like, “How hard could it be?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Oh, and:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fighter jets. All those other things
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flying’s version of driving the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Highway 1 in Northern California. In
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other words, it’s nothing like it.'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That will get your attention. What I did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday not so much, but does take
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> training.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than someone who is both a pilot and an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accomplished racing driver, and highly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect racing driving coach (having raced
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24 Hours of Daytona)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which he feels is more challenging.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you know better.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> snipped)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges and training. Both are potentially
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> unprepared. I really do not think you can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> compare which is more difficult. Just too
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> different.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But you, who do not do both...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ...know better than someone who does...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ...right, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> flying I do on a routine basis. I am not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> capable of winning the auto races you run.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could I drive around the track at something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But compete? No.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
> >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rain."...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> self-serving than your bragging race
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> narratives. Can't wait to read the next one,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is one.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting
> >>>>>>>>>>>> surgery, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until
> >>>>>>>>>>>> June.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> my last email is still an open issue. Are you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> regular basis.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You're continuing to stalk?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with
> >>>>>>>>>>> relevant experience claiming that racing is more
> >>>>>>>>>>> difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He
> >>>>>>>>>>> was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and
> >>>>>>>>>>> 7-time All Star.
> >>>>>>>>>> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything
> >>>>>>>>>> of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed
> >>>>>>>>>>> his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what
> >>>>>>>>>>> should have been a routine landing in good
> >>>>>>>>>>> weather.
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> So he wasn't a very good pilot?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA)
> >>>>>>>>>>> checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made
> >>>>>>>>>>> the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made
> >>>>>>>>>>> him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps
> >>>>>>>>>>> down from the landing checklist and then never
> >>>>>>>>>>> extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I
> >>>>>>>>>>> saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
> >>>>>>>>>>> comparisons like driving through a race course
> >>>>>>>>>>> curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving
> >>>>>>>>>>> is more intense, flying gives you more time. More
> >>>>>>>>>>> time right up to the point where accumulated
> >>>>>>>>>>> errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
> >>>>>>>>>>> it up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As you have no meaningful personal experience
> >>>>>>>>>>> with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying
> >>>>>>>>>>> making any person judgements on how difficult it
> >>>>>>>>>>> can be.
> >>>>>>>>>> I quoted someone who DOES have personal
> >>>>>>>>>> experience, Little Shit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As for your open issue, it's just very
> >>>>>>>>>>> interesting, very much in the public domain, and
> >>>>>>>>>>> potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
> >>>>>>>>>>> reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
> >>>>>>>>>>> issue. It's has been dragging on for years after
> >>>>>>>>>>> all. :-)
> >>>>>>>>>> Or you could just not stalk people.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017. It was almost painless and no activity
> >>>>>>>>>>> restrictions. It took all of a week from
> >>>>>>>>>>> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
> >>>>>>>>>>> hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred.
> >>>>>>>>>>> But you have health care waiting lines in Canada.
> >>>>>>>>>>> :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
> >>>>>>>>>>> have that fixed. :)
> >>>>>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
> >>>>>>>>> inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
> >>>>>>>>> compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking
> >>>>>>>>> at the aircraft race records. The only long-term
> >>>>>>>>> case available is Reno, and this year is the last
> >>>>>>>>> one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal
> >>>>>>>>> accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race
> >>>>>>>>> fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your
> >>>>>>>>> SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
> >>>>>>>> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying
> >>>>>>>> Little Shit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think you do.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
> >>>>>>> certain debt you owe? :-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I do remember, but as I have also stated you are
> >>>>>>> comparing race cars to non race flying. My point
> >>>>>>> continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing
> >>>>>>> cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
> >>>>>>> apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that
> >>>>>>> aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars.
> >>>>>>> Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or
> >>>>>>> more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g
> >>>>>>> forces break things.
> >>>>>> That's not the way this went down.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest
> >>>>>> that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I brought up that it requires far less focus and
> >>>>>> concentration that racing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have
> >>>>>> NEVER DONE.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Of course you also have essentially zero flying
> >>>>>>> experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a
> >>>>>>> Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
> >>>>>> Wow.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even
> >>>>>> once?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
> >>>>> support. And no, I did not spin.
> >>>> Nope.
> >>>>
> >>>> The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO,
> >>>> Little Shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
> >>>>
> >>>> Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...all...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...the...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...time.
> >>>
> >>> Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but
> >>> only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and
> >>> black. You lied again.
> >> Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and
> >> chequered" flag, Little Shit.
> >>
> >> The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is
> >> and advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
> >>
> >> The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in
> >> their own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean
> >> "stop racing"
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather
> >>> flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most
> >>> people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to
> >>> be competitive with experienced drivers.
> >> That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
> >>>
> >>> Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in
> >>> 1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety
> >>> pilot. You can see the track at
> >>> https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until
> >>> the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent flight available
> >>> without a paid subscription.
> >> "simulated" with a safety pilot...
> >>
> >> ...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
> >>>
> >>> Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold
> >>> entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2
> >>> miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a
> >>> landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other
> >>> aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.
> >> Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were
> >> spent level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL,
> >> correct?
> >>>
> >>> You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then
> >>> transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an
> >>> hour.
> >>>
> >>> Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
> >>> Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope
> >>> out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would
> >>> finish.
> >> And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
> >>
> >> And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that
> >> race track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument
> >> flying to what we were discussing.
> >>
> >> You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while
> >> other cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have)
> >> go flying past you.
> >>
> >> This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
> >>
> >> I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
> >> racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
> >> Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
> >>
> >> ...and you still want to argue the point.
> >>
> >> CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
> >>
> >> Yes. From time to time.
> >>
> >> Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
> >>
> >> Nope. Not unless you're:
> >>
> >> Flying aerobatics...
> >>
> >> ...or fighter jets...
> >>
> >> ...or air racing.
> >
> > I do not argue that cruising on the highway or in the air is less
> > difficult and stressful than a car race. You admit that flying can be
> > very stressful, but still want to argue the point.
> You're a liar, Little Shit.
>
> That is PRECISELY the argument you started out making.
> >
> > Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
> > airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
> > while using a vision limiting device.
> Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
> made.
> > Or that you have flown an
> > airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
> > then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
> > the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
> > PERSONAL judgement.
> >
> > This is me in a race car:
> >
> > https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
> 'Google
>
> 404. That’s an error.
>
> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
> >
> > There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
> > appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
> > to win.
> No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
> give you any appreciation for what racing is.

I was racing with 10 other cars. It was intense. New link, this one should work.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gBvplQ_KLd2Akddq99PKvEpnxsw-ffRw/view?usp=share_link