'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After all,
everyone drives.

Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former Major League
Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me
that racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever done.

If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they think it
Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a mountain highway,
or across the country. I’ve received responses like, “How hard could it
be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”

That’s the problem.'

<https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>

Oh, and:

'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other things
I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of driving the
twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern California.
In other words, it’s nothing like it.'

On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After all,
> everyone drives.
>
> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former Major League
> Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me
> that racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever done.
>
> If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they think it
> Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a mountain highway,
> or across the country. I’ve received responses like, “How hard could it
> be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
>
> That’s the problem.'
>
> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
>
> Oh, and:
>
> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other things
> I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of driving the
> twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern California.
> In other words, it’s nothing like it.'

Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so much, but does take training.

The aircraft was a C182T with Garmin G1000 avionics and the KAP140 autopilot. The mission was RTB after a family visit and pickup of Girl Scout cookies ordered from a niece. Yes, FEDEX would have been cheaper for the cookie delivery.

For traffic deconfliction I filed IFR on a CAVU morning out of the Cobb County Atlanta area (KRYY). When I filed via Foreflight ATC required a NOONE, NELLO, JILIS planned routing at 6000' to remain east of and clear of potential incoming IFR traffic on the BUKHD THREE Arrival procedure. All that was programmed into the KAP 140 before we started to taxi out. Immediately after takeoff I contacted Atlanta Departure and they gave me a 360 heading and immediate climb to 6000. About 10 minutes later I got a direct-to-destination clearance. Traffic on the arrival must not have been an issue. It was bumpy at 6000 so we requested a climb to 8000 where the headwinds were a little worse but the air was smooth.

The direct routing took us close to some restricted areas and ATC routed us west of those. Over Kentucky we found ourselves in some thin, but bumpy, stratocumulus and got a climb to 9000 to get back to clear smooth air. On the descent, 100 miles north, the temperature had dropped to the point where we picked up some rime ice in those clouds. I advised ATC but it was not enough to affect aircraft performance. The landing was uneventful except for a 10-15 knot gusty direct crosswind. The landing was uneventful because I have made thousands of them. I'd like to see you or any of the people you mentioned above try it if they are not trained and experienced!

Enroute we talked to KRYY ground, KRYY tower, Atlanta Departure, Atlanta Center, Chatanooga Approach, Memphis Center, Indy Center, Indy Approach and KEYE CTAF. The planned 3.1 hour flight turned out to be 3.6 hours. Winds were a lot stronger than forecast.

You can see the flight profile at https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N721ZA. It's the KRYY/KEYE flight. I also filed to JEKX in case we needed to take a break due to weather or the wife just wanting one. This was her first long x-country in about 10 years. That turned out to be not the case, she was ok with the bumps. Lots of people I have flown are not.

Think you can do that exact flight today?

On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After all,
>> everyone drives.
>>
>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former Major
>> League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket
>> scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve
>> ever done.
>>
>> If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they think
>> it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a mountain
>> highway, or across the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
>> hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
>>
>> That’s the problem.'
>>
>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
>>
>>
>>
Oh, and:
>>
>> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other
>> things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
>> driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in
>> Northern California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
>
> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
> with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain. That will get your
> attention. What I did yesterday not so much, but does take training.

And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both a pilot
and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect racing driving
coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours
of Daytona)

A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is more
challenging.

But you know better.

(The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After all,
> >> everyone drives.
> >>
> >> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former Major
> >> League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket
> >> scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve
> >> ever done.
> >>
> >> If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they think
> >> it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a mountain
> >> highway, or across the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
> >> hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
> >>
> >> That’s the problem.'
> >>
> >> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> Oh, and:
> >>
> >> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other
> >> things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
> >> driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in
> >> Northern California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
> >
> > Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
> > with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain. That will get your
> > attention. What I did yesterday not so much, but does take training.
> And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both a pilot
> and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect racing driving
> coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours
> of Daytona)
>
> A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is more
> challenging.
>
> But you know better.
>
> (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)

Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and unprepared. I really do not think you can compare which is more difficult. Just too different.

My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races you run. Could I drive around the track at something faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.

As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.

BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a regular basis.

On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After
>>>> all, everyone drives.
>>>>
>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former
>>>> Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even
>>>> rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest
>>>> thing they’ve ever done.
>>>>
>>>> If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they
>>>> think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a
>>>> mountain highway, or across the country. I’ve received
>>>> responses like, “How hard could it be? I drive every day, and
>>>> it’s not hard.”
>>>>
>>>> That’s the problem.'
>>>>
>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
Oh, and:
>>>>
>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other
>>>> things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
>>>> driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1
>>>> in Northern California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
>>>
>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to
>>> minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain. That
>>> will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so much, but
>>> does take training.
>> And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both a
>> pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect racing
>> driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in
>> the 24 Hours of Daytona)
>>
>> A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is more
>> challenging.
>>
>> But you know better.
>>
>> (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
>
> Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training. Both are
> potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and unprepared. I
> really do not think you can compare which is more difficult. Just too
> different.

But you, who do not do both...

....know better than someone who does...

....right, Little Shit?

>
> My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a routine
> basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races you run. Could I
> drive around the track at something faster than everyday speeds in my
> car. Yes. But compete? No.

"Something faster than every day speeds"?

LOLOLOLOLOL

Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in a 172 to
minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain."...

....every time you go through a corner.

>
> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
> bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if there
> is one.

Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid you'll
have to wait until June.

>
> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is still an
> open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
> regular basis.

You're continuing to stalk?

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right? After
> >>>> all, everyone drives.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former
> >>>> Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even
> >>>> rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest
> >>>> thing they’ve ever done.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard they
> >>>> think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having driven a
> >>>> mountain highway, or across the country. I’ve received
> >>>> responses like, “How hard could it be? I drive every day, and
> >>>> it’s not hard.”
> >>>>
> >>>> That’s the problem.'
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> Oh, and:
> >>>>
> >>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those other
> >>>> things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
> >>>> driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1
> >>>> in Northern California. In other words, it’s nothing like it..'
> >>>
> >>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to
> >>> minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain. That
> >>> will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so much, but
> >>> does take training.
> >> And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both a
> >> pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect racing
> >> driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in
> >> the 24 Hours of Daytona)
> >>
> >> A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is more
> >> challenging.
> >>
> >> But you know better.
> >>
> >> (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
> >
> > Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training. Both are
> > potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and unprepared. I
> > really do not think you can compare which is more difficult. Just too
> > different.
> But you, who do not do both...
>
> ...know better than someone who does...
>
> ...right, Little Shit?
> >
> > My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a routine
> > basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races you run. Could I
> > drive around the track at something faster than everyday speeds in my
> > car. Yes. But compete? No.
> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
>
> LOLOLOLOLOL
>
> Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in a 172 to
> minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain."...
>
> ...every time you go through a corner.
> >
> > As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
> > bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if there
> > is one.
> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid you'll
> have to wait until June.
> >
> > BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is still an
> > open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
> > regular basis.
> You're continuing to stalk?

Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant experience claiming that racing is more difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All Star.

Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine landing in good weather. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death

I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then never extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.

As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like driving through a race course curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving is more intense, flying gives you more time. More time right up to the point where accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look it up.

As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying making any person judgements on how difficult it can be.

As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)

Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that fixed. :)

On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right?
>>>>>> After all, everyone drives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former
>>>>>> Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even
>>>>>> rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest
>>>>>> thing they’ve ever done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard
>>>>>> they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having
>>>>>> driven a mountain highway, or across the country. I’ve
>>>>>> received responses like, “How hard could it be? I drive
>>>>>> every day, and it’s not hard.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>
Oh, and:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those
>>>>>> other things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s
>>>>>> version of driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon,
>>>>>> or Highway 1 in Northern California. In other words, it’s
>>>>>> nothing like it.'
>>>>>
>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to
>>>>> minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
>>>>> That will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so
>>>>> much, but does take training.
>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both
>>>> a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect
>>>> racing driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and
>>>> finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)
>>>>
>>>> A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is
>>>> more challenging.
>>>>
>>>> But you know better.
>>>>
>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
>>>
>>> Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training. Both
>>> are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and unprepared.
>>> I really do not think you can compare which is more difficult.
>>> Just too different.
>> But you, who do not do both...
>>
>> ...know better than someone who does...
>>
>> ...right, Little Shit?
>>>
>>> My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a
>>> routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races you
>>> run. Could I drive around the track at something faster than
>>> everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
>>
>> LOLOLOLOLOL
>>
>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in a
>> 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
>> rain."...
>>
>> ...every time you go through a corner.
>>>
>>> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
>>> bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
>>> there is one.
>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
>> you'll have to wait until June.
>>>
>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is still
>>> an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on
>>> a regular basis.
>> You're continuing to stalk?
>
> Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant experience
> claiming that racing is more difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon
> Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All
> Star.

Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance to the
discussion, Little Shit?

>
> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He made a
> mistake performing what should have been a routine landing in good
> weather. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death

So he wasn't a very good pilot?

>
> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly
> experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and
> made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down from the
> landing checklist and then never extended the flaps. That, plus other
> issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
>
> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like driving
> through a race course curve versus an instrument approach. Race
> driving is more intense, flying gives you more time. More time right
> up to the point where accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese
> of errors. Look it up.
>
> As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting aircraft
> you are just plain lying making any person judgements on how
> difficult it can be.

I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.

>
> As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in the
> public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
> reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has been
> dragging on for years after all. :-)

Or you could just not stalk people.

>
> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
> painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
> CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
> Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
> fixed. :)

If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> [Tom, etc]
> >>> …
> >>> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
> >>> bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
> >>> there is one.
> >>
> >> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
> >> you'll have to wait until June.
> > …
> > Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
> > painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
> > diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
> > CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
> > Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
> > fixed. :)
>
> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner.
First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).

I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.

-hh

On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> [Tom, etc]
>>>>> …
>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
>>>>> bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
>>>>> there is one.
>>>>
>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
>>>> you'll have to wait until June.
>>> …
>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
>>> painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
>>> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
>>> CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
>>> Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
>>> fixed. :)
>>
>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
>
> I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner.
> First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
> their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).
>
> I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
> that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
> US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.

Yup.

I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have liked to get
my hernia surgery...

(It really didn't become a definite thing until February/March this year)

....but on the flip side, EVERY Canadian who needs the surgery can get it...

....without going bankrupt.

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> [Tom, etc]
> >>>>> …
> >>>>> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
> >>>>> bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
> >>>>> there is one.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
> >>>> you'll have to wait until June.
> >>> …
> >>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
> >>> painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
> >>> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
> >>> CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
> >>> Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
> >>> fixed. :)
> >>
> >> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> >
> > I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner.
> > First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
> > their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).
> >
> > I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
> > that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
> > US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
>
> Yup.
>
> I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have liked to get
> my hernia surgery...
>
> (It really didn't become a definite thing until February/March this year)
> ...but on the flip side, EVERY Canadian who needs the surgery can get it....
> ...without going bankrupt.

Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for decades with
employer provided healthcare & no major health concerns just do not realize
how profoundly bad the American healthcare system sucks for people who
don’t have that health insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their
out of pocket costs.

Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after age 65 and
a few years go past and they need dental work: Medicare does not cover it.
Receding gums meriting a tissue graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.

-hh

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right?
> >>>>>> After all, everyone drives.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and former
> >>>>>> Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and even
> >>>>>> rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is the hardest
> >>>>>> thing they’ve ever done.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has never raced how hard
> >>>>>> they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it to having
> >>>>>> driven a mountain highway, or across the country. I’ve
> >>>>>> received responses like, “How hard could it be? I drive
> >>>>>> every day, and it’s not hard.”
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That’s the problem.'
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>
> Oh, and:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All those
> >>>>>> other things I’ve done in the sky are, at most, flying’s
> >>>>>> version of driving the twisties on the Tail of the Dragon,
> >>>>>> or Highway 1 in Northern California. In other words, it’s
> >>>>>> nothing like it.'
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172 to
> >>>>> minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
> >>>>> That will get your attention. What I did yesterday not so
> >>>>> much, but does take training.
> >>>> And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is both
> >>>> a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly respect
> >>>> racing driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500, and
> >>>> finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)
> >>>>
> >>>> A man who has literally done both told you which he feels is
> >>>> more challenging.
> >>>>
> >>>> But you know better.
> >>>>
> >>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
> >>>
> >>> Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training. Both
> >>> are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and unprepared.
> >>> I really do not think you can compare which is more difficult.
> >>> Just too different.
> >> But you, who do not do both...
> >>
> >> ...know better than someone who does...
> >>
> >> ...right, Little Shit?
> >>>
> >>> My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a
> >>> routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races you
> >>> run. Could I drive around the track at something faster than
> >>> everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
> >> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
> >>
> >> LOLOLOLOLOL
> >>
> >> Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in a
> >> 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
> >> rain."...
> >>
> >> ...every time you go through a corner.
> >>>
> >>> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
> >>> bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
> >>> there is one.
> >> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
> >> you'll have to wait until June.
> >>>
> >>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is still
> >>> an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on
> >>> a regular basis.
> >> You're continuing to stalk?
> >
> > Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant experience
> > claiming that racing is more difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon
> > Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All
> > Star.
> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance to the
> discussion, Little Shit?
> >
> > Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He made a
> > mistake performing what should have been a routine landing in good
> > weather. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
> So he wasn't a very good pilot?
> >
> > I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly
> > experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and
> > made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down from the
> > landing checklist and then never extended the flaps. That, plus other
> > issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
> >
> > As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like driving
> > through a race course curve versus an instrument approach. Race
> > driving is more intense, flying gives you more time. More time right
> > up to the point where accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese
> > of errors. Look it up.
> >
> > As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting aircraft
> > you are just plain lying making any person judgements on how
> > difficult it can be.
> I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.
> >
> > As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in the
> > public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
> > reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has been
> > dragging on for years after all. :-)
> Or you could just not stalk people.
> >
> > Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
> > painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
> > diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
> > CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
> > Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
> > fixed. :)
> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.

On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=reno+air+races+fatal+accidents&cvid=9b9d481fb1554d61bdac88e47145608a&aqs=edge.0.69i59j69i57j0l4j46j0j69i60.5748j0j9&FORM=ANAB01&PC=DCTS

Sept. 18, 2022: Pilot Aaron Hogue, of Henderson, Nevada, died in a crash during the Jet Gold Race. The cause is under investigation.

Sept. 8, 2014: Pilot Lee Behel, 64, of San Jose, California, died in a crash when portions of the right wing separated from his experimental aircraft during qualifying heats.

Sept. 16, 2011: Pilot Jimmy Leeward and 10 spectators died when his heavily modified World War II-era aircraft lost control while banking around a pylon at Reno-Stead Airport and slammed into the box seating area. About 70 people were seriously injured, many from flying shrapnel.

Sept. 7, 2008: Formula One pilot Erica Simpson was killed during practice Saturday when the wings broke off her home-built plane as she attempted a roll.

Sept. 14, 2007: Pilot Gary Hubler, 51, of Caldwell, Idaho died when his plane clipped another.

Sept. 13, 2007: Pilot Brad Morehouse of Aston, Wyoming died in a crash of a L-39 jet during race.

Sept. 11, 2007: Pilot Steve Dari of Lemon Grove, California died when his biplane crashed on takeoff during practice.

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> > On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> > >> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>>> [Tom, etc]
> > >>>>> …
> > >>>>> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
> > >>>>> bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
> > >>>>> there is one.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
> > >>>> you'll have to wait until June.
> > >>> …
> > >>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
> > >>> painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
> > >>> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
> > >>> CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
> > >>> Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
> > >>> fixed. :)
> > >>
> > >> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> > >
> > > I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner.
> > > First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
> > > their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).
> > >
> > > I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
> > > that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
> > > US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
> >
> > Yup.
> >
> > I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have liked to get
> > my hernia surgery...
> >
> > (It really didn't become a definite thing until February/March this year)
> > ...but on the flip side, EVERY Canadian who needs the surgery can get it...
> > ...without going bankrupt.
> Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for decades with
> employer provided healthcare & no major health concerns just do not realize
> how profoundly bad the American healthcare system sucks for people who
> don’t have that health insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their
> out of pocket costs.
>
> Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after age 65 and
> a few years go past and they need dental work: Medicare does not cover it..
> Receding gums meriting a tissue graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
>
> -hh

Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.

Receding gums are a personal issue?

As I look at the Canadian dental program it does not appear to be universal at all. It's also somewhat different by Province. Maybe your example is covered, maybe not. It's more complicated that you know.

In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of classic Medicare offer dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.

For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether or not you are receiving public assistance.

"Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental services to relieve pain."

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental

At the national level I found this recent article:

"With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the human body.

According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.

But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to the Canadians who need it most.

The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in funding in the works.

The program will cover kids under 12 years old in 2022 and then expand to include anyone under 18, seniors and people living with a disability in 2023.. Full implementation would be reached by 2025.

The government says the program will be restricted to families with an income of less than $90,000 annually. Anyone making under $70,000 per year won’t have to make co-payments.

Last month, after the National Democratic Party (NDP) and the federal Liberal government joined hands, NDP leader Jagmeet Singh and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau teased something of the sort being in the pipeline for Canadians.

“We’re using our power to get help to people. We are getting help for people who need their teeth fixed,” said Singh during a press conference on Tuesday. “We’re getting help for people that need to buy their medication and can’t afford to.”

“It wasn’t less than a year ago that the Liberals voted against our dental care program that we were able to put into this agreement,” noted Singh."

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/dental-care-canada-budget-2022

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:54:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> > > On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> > > >> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > >>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > >>>> [Tom, etc]
> > > >>>>> …
> > > >>>>> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
> > > >>>>> bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
> > > >>>>> there is one.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
> > > >>>> you'll have to wait until June.
> > > >>> …
> > > >>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
> > > >>> painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
> > > >>> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
> > > >>> CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
> > > >>> Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
> > > >>> fixed. :)
> > > >>
> > > >> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> > > >
> > > > I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner.
> > > > First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
> > > > their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).
> > > >
> > > > I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
> > > > that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
> > > > US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
> > >
> > > Yup.
> > >
> > > I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have liked to get
> > > my hernia surgery...
> > >
> > > (It really didn't become a definite thing until February/March this year)
> > > ...but on the flip side, EVERY Canadian who needs the surgery can get it...
> > > ...without going bankrupt.
> >
> > Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for decades with
> > employer provided healthcare & no major health concerns just do not realize
> > how profoundly bad the American healthcare system sucks for people who
> > don’t have that health insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their
> > out of pocket costs.
> >
> > Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after age 65 and
> > a few years go past and they need dental work: Medicare does not cover it.
> > Receding gums meriting a tissue graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
> >
>
> Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.

Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare costs
a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost of living, and
they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a public/private hybrid, so
American advocates don’t have that deflection attempt either.

> Receding gums are a personal issue?

Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware that
I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past decade.

Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without insurance either.
IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,

> In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.

Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a supplement
to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something like $102/month.

Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of classic Medicare offer
> dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.

Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.

>
> For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may be able to
> have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether or not you are
> receiving public assistance.
>
> "Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental services to relieve pain."
>
> https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental
>
>
> At the national level I found this recent article:
>
> "With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the human body.
>
> According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.
>
> But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to the Canadians who need it most.
>
> The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in funding in the works.

Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
When is the US going to follow suit?

-hh

On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right?
>>>>>>>> After all, everyone drives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
>>>>>>>> former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons,
>>>>>>>> and even rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is
>>>>>>>> the hardest thing they’ve ever done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
>>>>>>>> hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it
>>>>>>>> to having driven a mountain highway, or across the
>>>>>>>> country. I’ve received responses like, “How hard could
>>>>>>>> it be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
Oh, and:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
>>>>>>>> those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
>>>>>>>> flying’s version of driving the twisties on the Tail of
>>>>>>>> the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern California. In
>>>>>>>> other words, it’s nothing like it.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172
>>>>>>> to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
>>>>>>> rain. That will get your attention. What I did yesterday
>>>>>>> not so much, but does take training.
>>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is
>>>>>> both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly
>>>>>> respect racing driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500,
>>>>>> and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you which he feels
>>>>>> is more challenging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you know better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
>>>>>
>>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training.
>>>>> Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
>>>>> unprepared. I really do not think you can compare which is
>>>>> more difficult. Just too different.
>>>> But you, who do not do both...
>>>>
>>>> ...know better than someone who does...
>>>>
>>>> ...right, Little Shit?
>>>>>
>>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a
>>>>> routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races
>>>>> you run. Could I drive around the track at something faster
>>>>> than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
>>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
>>>>
>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>
>>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in
>>>> a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
>>>> rain."...
>>>>
>>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than
>>>>> your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next
>>>>> one, if there is one.
>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
>>>> you'll have to wait until June.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is
>>>>> still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm
>>>>> checking on a regular basis.
>>>> You're continuing to stalk?
>>>
>>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
>>> experience claiming that racing is more difficult than driving.
>>> Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11
>>> years and 7-time All Star.
>> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance to
>> the discussion, Little Shit?
>>>
>>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He
>>> made a mistake performing what should have been a routine landing
>>> in good weather.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
>> So he wasn't a very good pilot?
>>>
>>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly
>>> experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it
>>> and made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down
>>> from the landing checklist and then never extended the flaps.
>>> That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for
>>> CAP.
>>>
>>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like
>>> driving through a race course curve versus an instrument
>>> approach. Race driving is more intense, flying gives you more
>>> time. More time right up to the point where accumulated errors
>>> kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look it up.
>>>
>>> As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
>>> aircraft you are just plain lying making any person judgements on
>>> how difficult it can be.
>> I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.
>>>
>>> As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in
>>> the public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
>>> reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has
>>> been dragging on for years after all. :-)
>> Or you could just not stalk people.
>>>
>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
>>> almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a
>>> week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when
>>> the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have health care
>>> waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would
>>> already have that fixed. :)
>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
>
> On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
> competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
> level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The only
> long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last one. Some
> the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents. Here is the
> record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How many fatal
> accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?

And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.

Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.

I think you do.

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:15:37 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:54:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> > > > On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> > > > >> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > >>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > > > >>>> [Tom, etc]
> > > > >>>>> …
> > > > >>>>> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than your
> > > > >>>>> bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next one, if
> > > > >>>>> there is one.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
> > > > >>>> you'll have to wait until June.
> > > > >>> …
> > > > >>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was almost
> > > > >>> painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a week from
> > > > >>> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when the famous
> > > > >>> CRV incident occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
> > > > >>> Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already have that
> > > > >>> fixed. :)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> > > > >
> > > > > I happened to see an old associate last night when we were out for dinner.
> > > > > First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted briefly; I offered my best wishes for
> > > > > their future back surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me recently).
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been told, which was
> > > > > that he has two years still to go before his operation, because he can’t afford
> > > > > US private health insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
> > > >
> > > > Yup.
> > > >
> > > > I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have liked to get
> > > > my hernia surgery...
> > > >
> > > > (It really didn't become a definite thing until February/March this year)
> > > > ...but on the flip side, EVERY Canadian who needs the surgery can get it...
> > > > ...without going bankrupt.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for decades with
> > > employer provided healthcare & no major health concerns just do not realize
> > > how profoundly bad the American healthcare system sucks for people who
> > > don’t have that health insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their
> > > out of pocket costs.
> > >
> > > Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after age 65 and
> > > a few years go past and they need dental work: Medicare does not cover it.
> > > Receding gums meriting a tissue graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
> > >
> >
> > Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
> Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare costs
> a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost of living, and
> they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a public/private hybrid, so
> American advocates don’t have that deflection attempt either.
> > Receding gums are a personal issue?
> Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware that
> I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past decade.
>
> Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without insurance either.
> IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
> > In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
> Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a supplement
> to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something like $102/month.
> Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of classic Medicare offer
> > dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
> Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.
> >
> > For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may be able to
> > have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether or not you are
> > receiving public assistance.
> >
> > "Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental services to relieve pain."
> >
> > https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental
> >
> >
> > At the national level I found this recent article:
> >
> > "With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the human body.
> >
> > According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.
> >
> > But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to the Canadians who need it most.
> >
> > The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in funding in the works.
> Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
> When is the US going to follow suit?
>
> -hh

When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money and collect added taxes to pay for them? Part D was never funded. Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right?
> >>>>>>>> After all, everyone drives.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
> >>>>>>>> former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons,
> >>>>>>>> and even rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is
> >>>>>>>> the hardest thing they’ve ever done.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
> >>>>>>>> hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it
> >>>>>>>> to having driven a mountain highway, or across the
> >>>>>>>> country. I’ve received responses like, “How hard could
> >>>>>>>> it be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> Oh, and:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
> >>>>>>>> those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
> >>>>>>>> flying’s version of driving the twisties on the Tail of
> >>>>>>>> the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern California. In
> >>>>>>>> other words, it’s nothing like it.'
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172
> >>>>>>> to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
> >>>>>>> rain. That will get your attention. What I did yesterday
> >>>>>>> not so much, but does take training.
> >>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is
> >>>>>> both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly
> >>>>>> respect racing driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500,
> >>>>>> and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you which he feels
> >>>>>> is more challenging.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But you know better.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training.
> >>>>> Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
> >>>>> unprepared. I really do not think you can compare which is
> >>>>> more difficult. Just too different.
> >>>> But you, who do not do both...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...know better than someone who does...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...right, Little Shit?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a
> >>>>> routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races
> >>>>> you run. Could I drive around the track at something faster
> >>>>> than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
> >>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
> >>>>
> >>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
> >>>>
> >>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in
> >>>> a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
> >>>> rain."...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than
> >>>>> your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next
> >>>>> one, if there is one.
> >>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
> >>>> you'll have to wait until June.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is
> >>>>> still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm
> >>>>> checking on a regular basis.
> >>>> You're continuing to stalk?
> >>>
> >>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
> >>> experience claiming that racing is more difficult than driving.
> >>> Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11
> >>> years and 7-time All Star.
> >> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance to
> >> the discussion, Little Shit?
> >>>
> >>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He
> >>> made a mistake performing what should have been a routine landing
> >>> in good weather.
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
> >> So he wasn't a very good pilot?
> >>>
> >>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly
> >>> experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it
> >>> and made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down
> >>> from the landing checklist and then never extended the flaps.
> >>> That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for
> >>> CAP.
> >>>
> >>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like
> >>> driving through a race course curve versus an instrument
> >>> approach. Race driving is more intense, flying gives you more
> >>> time. More time right up to the point where accumulated errors
> >>> kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look it up.
> >>>
> >>> As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
> >>> aircraft you are just plain lying making any person judgements on
> >>> how difficult it can be.
> >> I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.
> >>>
> >>> As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in
> >>> the public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
> >>> reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has
> >>> been dragging on for years after all. :-)
> >> Or you could just not stalk people.
> >>>
> >>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
> >>> almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a
> >>> week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when
> >>> the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have health care
> >>> waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would
> >>> already have that fixed. :)
> >> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> >
> > On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
> > competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
> > level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The only
> > long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last one. Some
> > the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents. Here is the
> > record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How many fatal
> > accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
>
> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.
>
> I think you do.

On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy,
>>>>>>>>>> right? After all, everyone drives.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
>>>>>>>>>> former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain
>>>>>>>>>> surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me that
>>>>>>>>>> racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever
>>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
>>>>>>>>>> hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate
>>>>>>>>>> it to having driven a mountain highway, or across
>>>>>>>>>> the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
>>>>>>>>>> hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not
>>>>>>>>>> hard.”
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
Oh, and:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
>>>>>>>>>> those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at
>>>>>>>>>> most, flying’s version of driving the twisties on
>>>>>>>>>> the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
>>>>>>>>>> California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a
>>>>>>>>> 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
>>>>>>>>> heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did
>>>>>>>>> yesterday not so much, but does take training.
>>>>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who
>>>>>>>> is both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and
>>>>>>>> highly respect racing driving coach (having raced in
>>>>>>>> the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of
>>>>>>>> Daytona)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you which he
>>>>>>>> feels is more challenging.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you know better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and
>>>>>>> training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky,
>>>>>>> untrained, and unprepared. I really do not think you can
>>>>>>> compare which is more difficult. Just too different.
>>>>>> But you, who do not do both...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...know better than someone who does...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...right, Little Shit?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do
>>>>>>> on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto
>>>>>>> races you run. Could I drive around the track at
>>>>>>> something faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But
>>>>>>> compete? No.
>>>>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach
>>>>>> in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
>>>>>> heavy rain."...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving
>>>>>>> than your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read
>>>>>>> the next one, if there is one.
>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm
>>>>>> afraid you'll have to wait until June.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email
>>>>>>> is still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it?
>>>>>>> I'm checking on a regular basis.
>>>>>> You're continuing to stalk?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
>>>>> experience claiming that racing is more difficult than
>>>>> driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the
>>>>> Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All Star.
>>>> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance
>>>> to the discussion, Little Shit?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna.
>>>>> He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine
>>>>> landing in good weather.
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
>>>> So he wasn't a very good pilot?
>>>>>
>>>>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a
>>>>> highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172.
>>>>> I caught it and made him do a go-around. He actually
>>>>> verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then
>>>>> never extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I saw, and
>>>>> he is no longer flying for CAP.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons
>>>>> like driving through a race course curve versus an
>>>>> instrument approach. Race driving is more intense, flying
>>>>> gives you more time. More time right up to the point where
>>>>> accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
>>>>> it up.
>>>>>
>>>>> As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
>>>>> aircraft you are just plain lying making any person
>>>>> judgements on how difficult it can be.
>>>> I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little
>>>> Shit.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much
>>>>> in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your
>>>>> CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
>>>>> issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)
>>>> Or you could just not stalk people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
>>>>> almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of
>>>>> a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
>>>>> hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have
>>>>> health care waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived
>>>>> here you would already have that fixed. :)
>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
>>>
>>> On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
>>> competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
>>> level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The
>>> only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last
>>> one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
>>> Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How
>>> many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its
>>> existence?
>> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
>>
>> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.
>>
>> I think you do.
>
> Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a certain debt
> you owe? :-)
>
> I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing race cars
> to non race flying. My point continues to be that flying can be as
> intense as racing cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
> apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that aircraft are
> likely more intense and dangerous than cars. Consider that racing
> aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal
> accident record. High g forces break things.

On 2023-05-02 06:38, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:15:37 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:54:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [Tom, etc]
>>>>>>>>>> … As for my trip description it's no more
>>>>>>>>>> self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
>>>>>>>>>> Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
>>>>>>>> … Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
>>>>>>>> It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It
>>>>>>>> took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on
>>>>>>>> the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident
>>>>>>>> occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
>>>>>>>> Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
>>>>>>>> have that fixed. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I happened to see an old associate last night when we were
>>>>>> out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted
>>>>>> briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back
>>>>>> surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me
>>>>>> recently).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been
>>>>>> told, which was that he has two years still to go before
>>>>>> his operation, because he can’t afford US private health
>>>>>> insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup.
>>>>>
>>>>> I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have
>>>>> liked to get my hernia surgery...
>>>>>
>>>>> (It really didn't become a definite thing until
>>>>> February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY
>>>>> Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going
>>>>> bankrupt.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for
>>>> decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health
>>>> concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American
>>>> healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health
>>>> insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their out of
>>>> pocket costs.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after
>>>> age 65 and a few years go past and they need dental work:
>>>> Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue
>>>> graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
>> Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare
>> costs a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost
>> of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a
>> public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that
>> deflection attempt either.
>>> Receding gums are a personal issue?
>> Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware
>> that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past
>> decade.
>>
>> Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without
>> insurance either. IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
>>> In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
>> Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a
>> supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something
>> like $102/month. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of
>> classic Medicare offer
>>> dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
>> Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.
>>>
>>> For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may
>>> be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether
>>> or not you are receiving public assistance.
>>>
>>> "Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental
>>> services to relieve pain."
>>>
>>> https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At the national level I found this recent article:
>>>
>>> "With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears
>>> the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the
>>> human body.
>>>
>>> According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not
>>> have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five
>>> Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.
>>>
>>> But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed
>>> $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to
>>> the Canadians who need it most.
>>>
>>> The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin
>>> late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in
>>> funding in the works.
>> Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
>> When is the US going to follow suit?
>>
>> -hh
>
> When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money
> and collect added taxes to pay for them? Part D was never funded.
> Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.

When are you going to agree that the uptick in the deficit has been
caused by the huge tax break that Trump and the Rethuglicans gave to the
uber-rich?

On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 11:04:31 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-02 06:38, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:15:37 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:54:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >>>>> On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> [Tom, etc]
> >>>>>>>>>> … As for my trip description it's no more
> >>>>>>>>>> self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
> >>>>>>>>>> Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
> >>>>>>>>> I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
> >>>>>>>> … Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
> >>>>>>>> It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It
> >>>>>>>> took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on
> >>>>>>>> the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident
> >>>>>>>> occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
> >>>>>>>> Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
> >>>>>>>> have that fixed. :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I happened to see an old associate last night when we were
> >>>>>> out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted
> >>>>>> briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back
> >>>>>> surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me
> >>>>>> recently).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been
> >>>>>> told, which was that he has two years still to go before
> >>>>>> his operation, because he can’t afford US private health
> >>>>>> insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yup.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have
> >>>>> liked to get my hernia surgery...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (It really didn't become a definite thing until
> >>>>> February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY
> >>>>> Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going
> >>>>> bankrupt.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for
> >>>> decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health
> >>>> concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American
> >>>> healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health
> >>>> insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their out of
> >>>> pocket costs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after
> >>>> age 65 and a few years go past and they need dental work:
> >>>> Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue
> >>>> graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
> >> Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare
> >> costs a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost
> >> of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a
> >> public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that
> >> deflection attempt either.
> >>> Receding gums are a personal issue?
> >> Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware
> >> that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past
> >> decade.
> >>
> >> Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without
> >> insurance either. IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
> >>> In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
> >> Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a
> >> supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something
> >> like $102/month. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of
> >> classic Medicare offer
> >>> dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
> >> Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.
> >>>
> >>> For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may
> >>> be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether
> >>> or not you are receiving public assistance.
> >>>
> >>> "Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental
> >>> services to relieve pain."
> >>>
> >>> https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At the national level I found this recent article:
> >>>
> >>> "With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears
> >>> the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the
> >>> human body.
> >>>
> >>> According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not
> >>> have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five
> >>> Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.
> >>>
> >>> But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed
> >>> $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to
> >>> the Canadians who need it most.
> >>>
> >>> The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin
> >>> late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in
> >>> funding in the works.
> >>
> >> Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
> >> When is the US going to follow suit?
> >
> >
> > When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money
> > and collect added taxes to pay for them?

If we were to get rid of the corporate graft in healthcare, the additional
expense for dental & vision would be easily paid for, just as it is in Europe.

> > Part D was never funded.
> > Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.
>
> When are you going to agree that the uptick in the deficit has been
> caused by the huge tax break that Trump and the Rethuglicans gave
> to the uber-rich?

When he realizes that he’s no longer the beneficiary. Maybe.

-hh

On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy,
> >>>>>>>>>> right? After all, everyone drives.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
> >>>>>>>>>> former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain
> >>>>>>>>>> surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me that
> >>>>>>>>>> racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever
> >>>>>>>>>> done.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
> >>>>>>>>>> hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate
> >>>>>>>>>> it to having driven a mountain highway, or across
> >>>>>>>>>> the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
> >>>>>>>>>> hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not
> >>>>>>>>>> hard.”
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> Oh, and:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
> >>>>>>>>>> those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at
> >>>>>>>>>> most, flying’s version of driving the twisties on
> >>>>>>>>>> the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
> >>>>>>>>>> California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a
> >>>>>>>>> 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
> >>>>>>>>> heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did
> >>>>>>>>> yesterday not so much, but does take training.
> >>>>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who
> >>>>>>>> is both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and
> >>>>>>>> highly respect racing driving coach (having raced in
> >>>>>>>> the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of
> >>>>>>>> Daytona)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you which he
> >>>>>>>> feels is more challenging.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But you know better.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and
> >>>>>>> training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky,
> >>>>>>> untrained, and unprepared. I really do not think you can
> >>>>>>> compare which is more difficult. Just too different.
> >>>>>> But you, who do not do both...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...know better than someone who does...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...right, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do
> >>>>>>> on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto
> >>>>>>> races you run. Could I drive around the track at
> >>>>>>> something faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But
> >>>>>>> compete? No.
> >>>>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach
> >>>>>> in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
> >>>>>> heavy rain."...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving
> >>>>>>> than your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read
> >>>>>>> the next one, if there is one.
> >>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm
> >>>>>> afraid you'll have to wait until June.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email
> >>>>>>> is still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it?
> >>>>>>> I'm checking on a regular basis.
> >>>>>> You're continuing to stalk?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
> >>>>> experience claiming that racing is more difficult than
> >>>>> driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the
> >>>>> Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All Star.
> >>>> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance
> >>>> to the discussion, Little Shit?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna.
> >>>>> He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine
> >>>>> landing in good weather.
> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
> >>>> So he wasn't a very good pilot?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a
> >>>>> highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172.
> >>>>> I caught it and made him do a go-around. He actually
> >>>>> verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then
> >>>>> never extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I saw, and
> >>>>> he is no longer flying for CAP.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons
> >>>>> like driving through a race course curve versus an
> >>>>> instrument approach. Race driving is more intense, flying
> >>>>> gives you more time. More time right up to the point where
> >>>>> accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
> >>>>> it up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
> >>>>> aircraft you are just plain lying making any person
> >>>>> judgements on how difficult it can be.
> >>>> I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little
> >>>> Shit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much
> >>>>> in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your
> >>>>> CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
> >>>>> issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)
> >>>> Or you could just not stalk people.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
> >>>>> almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of
> >>>>> a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
> >>>>> hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have
> >>>>> health care waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived
> >>>>> here you would already have that fixed. :)
> >>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> >>>
> >>> On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
> >>> competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
> >>> level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The
> >>> only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last
> >>> one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
> >>> Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How
> >>> many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its
> >>> existence?
> >> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
> >>
> >> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.
> >>
> >> I think you do.
> >
> > Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a certain debt
> > you owe? :-)
> >
> > I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing race cars
> > to non race flying. My point continues to be that flying can be as
> > intense as racing cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
> > apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that aircraft are
> > likely more intense and dangerous than cars. Consider that racing
> > aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal
> > accident record. High g forces break things.
> That's not the way this went down.
>
> I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that your general
> aviation flying was the greater pastime.
>
> I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration that racing.
>
> And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
>
> Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.
> >
> > Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience while I
> > have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman car for 30
> > minutes on a short oval.
> Wow.
>
> 30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?

On 2023-05-04 14:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy,
>>>>>>>>>>>> right? After all, everyone drives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
>>>>>>>>>>>> former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain
>>>>>>>>>>>> surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me that
>>>>>>>>>>>> racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever
>>>>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
>>>>>>>>>>>> hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate
>>>>>>>>>>>> it to having driven a mountain highway, or across
>>>>>>>>>>>> the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
>>>>>>>>>>>> hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not
>>>>>>>>>>>> hard.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Oh, and:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
>>>>>>>>>>>> those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at
>>>>>>>>>>>> most, flying’s version of driving the twisties on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
>>>>>>>>>>>> California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a
>>>>>>>>>>> 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
>>>>>>>>>>> heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did
>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday not so much, but does take training.
>>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who
>>>>>>>>>> is both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and
>>>>>>>>>> highly respect racing driving coach (having raced in
>>>>>>>>>> the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of
>>>>>>>>>> Daytona)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you which he
>>>>>>>>>> feels is more challenging.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But you know better.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and
>>>>>>>>> training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky,
>>>>>>>>> untrained, and unprepared. I really do not think you can
>>>>>>>>> compare which is more difficult. Just too different.
>>>>>>>> But you, who do not do both...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...know better than someone who does...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...right, Little Shit?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do
>>>>>>>>> on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto
>>>>>>>>> races you run. Could I drive around the track at
>>>>>>>>> something faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But
>>>>>>>>> compete? No.
>>>>>>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach
>>>>>>>> in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
>>>>>>>> heavy rain."...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving
>>>>>>>>> than your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read
>>>>>>>>> the next one, if there is one.
>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm
>>>>>>>> afraid you'll have to wait until June.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email
>>>>>>>>> is still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it?
>>>>>>>>> I'm checking on a regular basis.
>>>>>>>> You're continuing to stalk?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
>>>>>>> experience claiming that racing is more difficult than
>>>>>>> driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the
>>>>>>> Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All Star.
>>>>>> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance
>>>>>> to the discussion, Little Shit?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna.
>>>>>>> He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine
>>>>>>> landing in good weather.
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
>>>>>> So he wasn't a very good pilot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a
>>>>>>> highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172.
>>>>>>> I caught it and made him do a go-around. He actually
>>>>>>> verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then
>>>>>>> never extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I saw, and
>>>>>>> he is no longer flying for CAP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons
>>>>>>> like driving through a race course curve versus an
>>>>>>> instrument approach. Race driving is more intense, flying
>>>>>>> gives you more time. More time right up to the point where
>>>>>>> accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
>>>>>>> it up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
>>>>>>> aircraft you are just plain lying making any person
>>>>>>> judgements on how difficult it can be.
>>>>>> I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little
>>>>>> Shit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much
>>>>>>> in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your
>>>>>>> CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
>>>>>>> issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)
>>>>>> Or you could just not stalk people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
>>>>>>> almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of
>>>>>>> a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
>>>>>>> hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have
>>>>>>> health care waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived
>>>>>>> here you would already have that fixed. :)
>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
>>>>> competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
>>>>> level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The
>>>>> only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last
>>>>> one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
>>>>> Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How
>>>>> many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its
>>>>> existence?
>>>> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
>>>>
>>>> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.
>>>>
>>>> I think you do.
>>>
>>> Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a certain debt
>>> you owe? :-)
>>>
>>> I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing race cars
>>> to non race flying. My point continues to be that flying can be as
>>> intense as racing cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
>>> apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that aircraft are
>>> likely more intense and dangerous than cars. Consider that racing
>>> aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal
>>> accident record. High g forces break things.
>> That's not the way this went down.
>>
>> I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that your general
>> aviation flying was the greater pastime.
>>
>> I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration that racing.
>>
>> And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
>>
>> Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.
>>>
>>> Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience while I
>>> have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman car for 30
>>> minutes on a short oval.
>> Wow.
>>
>> 30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?
>
> YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for support. And no, I did not spin.

On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:04:31 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-02 06:38, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:15:37 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:54:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >>>>> On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> [Tom, etc]
> >>>>>>>>>> … As for my trip description it's no more
> >>>>>>>>>> self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
> >>>>>>>>>> Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
> >>>>>>>>> I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
> >>>>>>>> … Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
> >>>>>>>> It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It
> >>>>>>>> took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on
> >>>>>>>> the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident
> >>>>>>>> occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
> >>>>>>>> Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
> >>>>>>>> have that fixed. :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I happened to see an old associate last night when we were
> >>>>>> out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted
> >>>>>> briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back
> >>>>>> surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me
> >>>>>> recently).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been
> >>>>>> told, which was that he has two years still to go before
> >>>>>> his operation, because he can’t afford US private health
> >>>>>> insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yup.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have
> >>>>> liked to get my hernia surgery...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (It really didn't become a definite thing until
> >>>>> February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY
> >>>>> Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going
> >>>>> bankrupt.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for
> >>>> decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health
> >>>> concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American
> >>>> healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health
> >>>> insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their out of
> >>>> pocket costs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after
> >>>> age 65 and a few years go past and they need dental work:
> >>>> Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue
> >>>> graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
> >> Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare
> >> costs a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost
> >> of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a
> >> public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that
> >> deflection attempt either.
> >>> Receding gums are a personal issue?
> >> Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware
> >> that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past
> >> decade.
> >>
> >> Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without
> >> insurance either. IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
> >>> In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
> >> Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a
> >> supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something
> >> like $102/month. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of
> >> classic Medicare offer
> >>> dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
> >> Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.
> >>>
> >>> For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may
> >>> be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether
> >>> or not you are receiving public assistance.
> >>>
> >>> "Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental
> >>> services to relieve pain."
> >>>
> >>> https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At the national level I found this recent article:
> >>>
> >>> "With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears
> >>> the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the
> >>> human body.
> >>>
> >>> According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not
> >>> have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five
> >>> Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.
> >>>
> >>> But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed
> >>> $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to
> >>> the Canadians who need it most.
> >>>
> >>> The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin
> >>> late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in
> >>> funding in the works.
> >> Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
> >> When is the US going to follow suit?
> >>
> >> -hh
> >
> > When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money
> > and collect added taxes to pay for them? Part D was never funded.
> > Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.
> When are you going to agree that the uptick in the deficit has been
> caused by the huge tax break that Trump and the Rethuglicans gave to the
> uber-rich?

Really????? Uptick? $3 trillion is an "uptick"?

Federal tax collections, spending and deficit, 2016-2021.

Year Taxes Spending Deficit
2016 $2,457.785 $3,077.942 -$620.157
2017 $2,465.566 $3,180.429 -$714.863
2018 $2,475.160 $3,260.473 -$785.313
2019 $2,549.061 $3,540.339 -$991.278
2020 $2,455.736 $5,598.021 -$3,142.285
2021 $3,094.789 $5,818.602 -$2,723.813

I'm no genius, but it looks to me like spending was the real cause.

The Biden budget for next year is $6.9 trillion and a deficit approaching $2 trillion.

On 2023-05-04 15:16, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:04:31 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-02 06:38, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:15:37 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:54:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> [Tom, etc]
>>>>>>>>>>>> … As for my trip description it's no more
>>>>>>>>>>>> self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
>>>>>>>>>> … Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
>>>>>>>>>> It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It
>>>>>>>>>> took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on
>>>>>>>>>> the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident
>>>>>>>>>> occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
>>>>>>>>>> Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
>>>>>>>>>> have that fixed. :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I happened to see an old associate last night when we were
>>>>>>>> out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted
>>>>>>>> briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back
>>>>>>>> surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me
>>>>>>>> recently).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been
>>>>>>>> told, which was that he has two years still to go before
>>>>>>>> his operation, because he can’t afford US private health
>>>>>>>> insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have
>>>>>>> liked to get my hernia surgery...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (It really didn't become a definite thing until
>>>>>>> February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY
>>>>>>> Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going
>>>>>>> bankrupt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for
>>>>>> decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health
>>>>>> concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American
>>>>>> healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health
>>>>>> insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their out of
>>>>>> pocket costs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after
>>>>>> age 65 and a few years go past and they need dental work:
>>>>>> Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue
>>>>>> graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
>>>> Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare
>>>> costs a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost
>>>> of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a
>>>> public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that
>>>> deflection attempt either.
>>>>> Receding gums are a personal issue?
>>>> Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware
>>>> that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past
>>>> decade.
>>>>
>>>> Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without
>>>> insurance either. IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
>>>>> In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
>>>> Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a
>>>> supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something
>>>> like $102/month. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of
>>>> classic Medicare offer
>>>>> dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
>>>> Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.
>>>>>
>>>>> For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may
>>>>> be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether
>>>>> or not you are receiving public assistance.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental
>>>>> services to relieve pain."
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At the national level I found this recent article:
>>>>>
>>>>> "With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears
>>>>> the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the
>>>>> human body.
>>>>>
>>>>> According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not
>>>>> have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five
>>>>> Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed
>>>>> $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to
>>>>> the Canadians who need it most.
>>>>>
>>>>> The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin
>>>>> late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in
>>>>> funding in the works.
>>>> Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
>>>> When is the US going to follow suit?
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money
>>> and collect added taxes to pay for them? Part D was never funded.
>>> Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.
>> When are you going to agree that the uptick in the deficit has been
>> caused by the huge tax break that Trump and the Rethuglicans gave to the
>> uber-rich?
>
> Really????? Uptick? $3 trillion is an "uptick"?
>
> Federal tax collections, spending and deficit, 2016-2021.
>
> Year Taxes Spending Deficit
> 2016 $2,457.785 $3,077.942 -$620.157
> 2017 $2,465.566 $3,180.429 -$714.863
> 2018 $2,475.160 $3,260.473 -$785.313
> 2019 $2,549.061 $3,540.339 -$991.278
> 2020 $2,455.736 $5,598.021 -$3,142.285
> 2021 $3,094.789 $5,818.602 -$2,723.813
>
> I'm no genius, but it looks to me like spending was the real cause.
>
> The Biden budget for next year is $6.9 trillion and a deficit approaching $2 trillion.

Sorry... ...no source = no need to refute.

And you get that there was a HUGE pandemic that began at the beginning
of 2020...

....right, Little Shit?

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 12:58:00 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-04 15:16, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:04:31 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-02 06:38, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:15:37 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:54:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:07:42 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 16:01, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-5, Alan
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> [Tom, etc]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> … As for my trip description it's no more
> >>>>>>>>>>>> self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can't wait to read the next one, if there is one.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
> >>>>>>>>>> … Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
> >>>>>>>>>> It was almost painless and no activity restrictions. It
> >>>>>>>>>> took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on
> >>>>>>>>>> the way to hospital when the famous CRV incident
> >>>>>>>>>> occurred. But you have health care waiting lines in
> >>>>>>>>>> Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
> >>>>>>>>>> have that fixed. :)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I happened to see an old associate last night when we were
> >>>>>>>> out for dinner. First time since pre-CoVid. We chatted
> >>>>>>>> briefly; I offered my best wishes for their future back
> >>>>>>>> surgery (a mutual friend had mentioned this to me
> >>>>>>>> recently).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I didn’t go into with him on the second part that I’d been
> >>>>>>>> told, which was that he has two years still to go before
> >>>>>>>> his operation, because he can’t afford US private health
> >>>>>>>> insurance, so he has to wait until age 65 and Medicare.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yup.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I may have waited a couple of more months than I would have
> >>>>>>> liked to get my hernia surgery...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> (It really didn't become a definite thing until
> >>>>>>> February/March this year) ...but on the flip side, EVERY
> >>>>>>> Canadian who needs the surgery can get it... ...without going
> >>>>>>> bankrupt.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Unfortunately, middle/upper class Americans who worked for
> >>>>>> decades with employer provided healthcare & no major health
> >>>>>> concerns just do not realize how profoundly bad the American
> >>>>>> healthcare system sucks for people who don’t have that health
> >>>>>> insurance “mafia membership” ID card to control their out of
> >>>>>> pocket costs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Of course, the joke’s on them when they get onto Medicare after
> >>>>>> age 65 and a few years go past and they need dental work:
> >>>>>> Medicare does not cover it. Receding gums meriting a tissue
> >>>>>> graft rebuild? Figure ~$4K .. per side.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Only those with victim disorder regard health care as broken.
> >>>> Or people who can look beyond the tip of their nose: healthcare
> >>>> costs a third less in Switzerland despite them having a higher cost
> >>>> of living, and they have superior outcomes. Oh, and it’s also a
> >>>> public/private hybrid, so American advocates don’t have that
> >>>> deflection attempt either.
> >>>>> Receding gums are a personal issue?
> >>>> Just because I happen to know market prices? You may not be aware
> >>>> that I’ve been taking care of my parents finances for the past
> >>>> decade.
> >>>>
> >>>> Plus it’s just one example: replacing a cap isn’t cheap without
> >>>> insurance either. IIRC, Mom’s last one as $2K,
> >>>>> In any event, you can buy dental insurance in the U.S.
> >>>> Yup, at additional expense. If I recall correctly, our policy is a
> >>>> supplement to the basic health insurance, so it’s only something
> >>>> like $102/month. Some Medicare Advantage plans available in lieu of
> >>>> classic Medicare offer
> >>>>> dental benefits, but mostly with additional premiums.
> >>>> Which isn’t basic Medicare which was the point.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For BC: If you receive income or disability assistance, you may
> >>>>> be able to have basic dental costs covered. It depends on whether
> >>>>> or not you are receiving public assistance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Everyone who receives assistance can access emergency dental
> >>>>> services to relieve pain."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance/supplements/dental
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At the national level I found this recent article:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "With the new budget having some dental care policies, it appears
> >>>>> the government of Canada is beginning to see teeth as part of the
> >>>>> human body.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> According to the 2022 budget outline, a third of Canadians do not
> >>>>> have dental insurance, and in 2018, more than one in five
> >>>>> Canadians reported avoiding dental care because of the cost.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But that might finally start changing. The budget has proposed
> >>>>> $5.3 billion to Health Canada, so dental care can be provided to
> >>>>> the Canadians who need it most.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The amount will be spread out over five years, and it could begin
> >>>>> late this year or in early 2023. There’s already $1.7 billion in
> >>>>> funding in the works.
> >>>> Sounds like they recognized the problem & are working to fix it.
> >>>> When is the US going to follow suit?
> >>>>
> >>>> -hh
> >>>
> >>> When is the U.S. going to recognize that these programs cost money
> >>> and collect added taxes to pay for them? Part D was never funded.
> >>> Thank George W for that attempt to buy the senior vote.
> >> When are you going to agree that the uptick in the deficit has been
> >> caused by the huge tax break that Trump and the Rethuglicans gave to the
> >> uber-rich?
> >
> > Really????? Uptick? $3 trillion is an "uptick"?
> >
> > Federal tax collections, spending and deficit, 2016-2021.
> >
> > Year Taxes Spending Deficit
> > 2016 $2,457.785 $3,077.942 -$620.157
> > 2017 $2,465.566 $3,180.429 -$714.863
> > 2018 $2,475.160 $3,260.473 -$785.313
> > 2019 $2,549.061 $3,540.339 -$991.278
> > 2020 $2,455.736 $5,598.021 -$3,142.285
> > 2021 $3,094.789 $5,818.602 -$2,723.813
> >
> > I'm no genius, but it looks to me like spending was the real cause.
> >
> > The Biden budget for next year is $6.9 trillion and a deficit approaching $2 trillion.
> Sorry... ...no source = no need to refute.
>
> And you get that there was a HUGE pandemic that began at the beginning
> of 2020...
>
> ...right, Little Shit?

On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:02:20 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-04 14:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> right? After all, everyone drives.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain
> >>>>>>>>>>>> surgeons, and even rocket scientists tell me that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> racing a car is the hardest thing they’ve ever
> >>>>>>>>>>>> done.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it to having driven a mountain highway, or across
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the country. I’ve received responses like, “How
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hard could it be? I drive every day, and it’s not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hard.”
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> Oh, and:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
> >>>>>>>>>>>> those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at
> >>>>>>>>>>>> most, flying’s version of driving the twisties on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the Tail of the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
> >>>>>>>>>>>> California. In other words, it’s nothing like it.'
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a
> >>>>>>>>>>> 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
> >>>>>>>>>>> heavy rain. That will get your attention. What I did
> >>>>>>>>>>> yesterday not so much, but does take training.
> >>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who
> >>>>>>>>>> is both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and
> >>>>>>>>>> highly respect racing driving coach (having raced in
> >>>>>>>>>> the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of
> >>>>>>>>>> Daytona)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you which he
> >>>>>>>>>> feels is more challenging.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> But you know better.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and
> >>>>>>>>> training. Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky,
> >>>>>>>>> untrained, and unprepared. I really do not think you can
> >>>>>>>>> compare which is more difficult. Just too different.
> >>>>>>>> But you, who do not do both...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...know better than someone who does...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...right, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do
> >>>>>>>>> on a routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto
> >>>>>>>>> races you run. Could I drive around the track at
> >>>>>>>>> something faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But
> >>>>>>>>> compete? No.
> >>>>>>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach
> >>>>>>>> in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in
> >>>>>>>> heavy rain."...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving
> >>>>>>>>> than your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read
> >>>>>>>>> the next one, if there is one.
> >>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm
> >>>>>>>> afraid you'll have to wait until June.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email
> >>>>>>>>> is still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it?
> >>>>>>>>> I'm checking on a regular basis.
> >>>>>>>> You're continuing to stalk?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
> >>>>>>> experience claiming that racing is more difficult than
> >>>>>>> driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the
> >>>>>>> Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All Star.
> >>>>>> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance
> >>>>>> to the discussion, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna.
> >>>>>>> He made a mistake performing what should have been a routine
> >>>>>>> landing in good weather.
> >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
> >>>>>> So he wasn't a very good pilot?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a
> >>>>>>> highly experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172.
> >>>>>>> I caught it and made him do a go-around. He actually
> >>>>>>> verbalized flaps down from the landing checklist and then
> >>>>>>> never extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I saw, and
> >>>>>>> he is no longer flying for CAP.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons
> >>>>>>> like driving through a race course curve versus an
> >>>>>>> instrument approach. Race driving is more intense, flying
> >>>>>>> gives you more time. More time right up to the point where
> >>>>>>> accumulated errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
> >>>>>>> it up.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
> >>>>>>> aircraft you are just plain lying making any person
> >>>>>>> judgements on how difficult it can be.
> >>>>>> I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little
> >>>>>> Shit.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much
> >>>>>>> in the public domain, and potentially very damning to your
> >>>>>>> CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
> >>>>>>> issue. It's has been dragging on for years after all. :-)
> >>>>>> Or you could just not stalk people.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
> >>>>>>> almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of
> >>>>>>> a week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
> >>>>>>> hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have
> >>>>>>> health care waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived
> >>>>>>> here you would already have that fixed. :)
> >>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
> >>>>> competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
> >>>>> level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The
> >>>>> only long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last
> >>>>> one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
> >>>>> Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How
> >>>>> many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its
> >>>>> existence?
> >>>> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think you do.
> >>>
> >>> Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a certain debt
> >>> you owe? :-)
> >>>
> >>> I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing race cars
> >>> to non race flying. My point continues to be that flying can be as
> >>> intense as racing cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
> >>> apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that aircraft are
> >>> likely more intense and dangerous than cars. Consider that racing
> >>> aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal
> >>> accident record. High g forces break things.
> >> That's not the way this went down.
> >>
> >> I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that your general
> >> aviation flying was the greater pastime.
> >>
> >> I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration that racing.
> >>
> >> And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
> >>
> >> Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have NEVER DONE.
> >>>
> >>> Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience while I
> >>> have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman car for 30
> >>> minutes on a short oval.
> >> Wow.
> >>
> >> 30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even once?
> >
> > YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for support. And no, I did not spin.
> Nope.
>
> The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO, Little Shit.
>
> And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
>
> Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
>
> ...all...
>
> ...the...
>
> ...time.