On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 2:22:21 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 1:35:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > On 2023-05-07 06:13, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 4:07:12 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >> On 2023-05-05 12:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:02:20 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>>> On 2023-05-04 14:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4,
> > >>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4,
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be easy, right? After all, everyone
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current and former Major League
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even rocket scientists tell me that
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racing a car is the hardest thing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they’ve ever done.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never raced how hard they think it
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would be, they’ll likely relate it to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having driven a mountain highway, or
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across the country. I’ve received
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responses like, “How hard could it be?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Oh, and:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fighter jets. All those other things
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flying’s version of driving the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Highway 1 in Northern California. In
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other words, it’s nothing like it.'
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That will get your attention. What I did
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday not so much, but does take
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> training.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than someone who is both a pilot and an
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accomplished racing driver, and highly
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect racing driving coach (having raced
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24 Hours of Daytona)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which he feels is more challenging.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you know better.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> snipped)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges and training. Both are potentially
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> unprepared. I really do not think you can
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> compare which is more difficult. Just too
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> different.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> But you, who do not do both...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ...know better than someone who does...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ...right, Little Shit?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> flying I do on a routine basis. I am not
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> capable of winning the auto races you run.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could I drive around the track at something
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> But compete? No.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> rain."...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> self-serving than your bragging race
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> narratives. Can't wait to read the next one,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is one.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> surgery, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> June.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> my last email is still an open issue. Are you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> regular basis.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> You're continuing to stalk?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with
> > >>>>>>>>>>> relevant experience claiming that racing is more
> > >>>>>>>>>>> difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He
> > >>>>>>>>>>> was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 7-time All Star.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything
> > >>>>>>>>>> of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed
> > >>>>>>>>>>> his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what
> > >>>>>>>>>>> should have been a routine landing in good
> > >>>>>>>>>>> weather.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > So he wasn't a very good pilot?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA)
> > >>>>>>>>>>> checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made
> > >>>>>>>>>>> the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made
> > >>>>>>>>>>> him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps
> > >>>>>>>>>>> down from the landing checklist and then never
> > >>>>>>>>>>> extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I
> > >>>>>>>>>>> saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
> > >>>>>>>>>>> comparisons like driving through a race course
> > >>>>>>>>>>> curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving
> > >>>>>>>>>>> is more intense, flying gives you more time. More
> > >>>>>>>>>>> time right up to the point where accumulated
> > >>>>>>>>>>> errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
> > >>>>>>>>>>> it up.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> As you have no meaningful personal experience
> > >>>>>>>>>>> with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying
> > >>>>>>>>>>> making any person judgements on how difficult it
> > >>>>>>>>>>> can be.
> > >>>>>>>>>> I quoted someone who DOES have personal
> > >>>>>>>>>> experience, Little Shit.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> As for your open issue, it's just very
> > >>>>>>>>>>> interesting, very much in the public domain, and
> > >>>>>>>>>>> potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
> > >>>>>>>>>>> reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
> > >>>>>>>>>>> issue. It's has been dragging on for years after
> > >>>>>>>>>>> all. :-)
> > >>>>>>>>>> Or you could just not stalk people.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 2017. It was almost painless and no activity
> > >>>>>>>>>>> restrictions. It took all of a week from
> > >>>>>>>>>>> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
> > >>>>>>>>>>> hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> But you have health care waiting lines in Canada.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
> > >>>>>>>>>>> have that fixed. :)
> > >>>>>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
> > >>>>>>>>> inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
> > >>>>>>>>> compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking
> > >>>>>>>>> at the aircraft race records. The only long-term
> > >>>>>>>>> case available is Reno, and this year is the last
> > >>>>>>>>> one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal
> > >>>>>>>>> accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race
> > >>>>>>>>> fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your
> > >>>>>>>>> SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
> > >>>>>>>> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying
> > >>>>>>>> Little Shit.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I think you do.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
> > >>>>>>> certain debt you owe? :-)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I do remember, but as I have also stated you are
> > >>>>>>> comparing race cars to non race flying. My point
> > >>>>>>> continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing
> > >>>>>>> cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
> > >>>>>>> apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that
> > >>>>>>> aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars.
> > >>>>>>> Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or
> > >>>>>>> more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g
> > >>>>>>> forces break things.
> > >>>>>> That's not the way this went down.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest
> > >>>>>> that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I brought up that it requires far less focus and
> > >>>>>> concentration that racing.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have
> > >>>>>> NEVER DONE.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Of course you also have essentially zero flying
> > >>>>>>> experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a
> > >>>>>>> Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
> > >>>>>> Wow.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> 30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even
> > >>>>>> once?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
> > >>>>> support. And no, I did not spin.
> > >>>> Nope.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO,
> > >>>> Little Shit.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ...all...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ...the...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ...time.
> > >>>
> > >>> Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but
> > >>> only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and
> > >>> black. You lied again.
> > >> Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and
> > >> chequered" flag, Little Shit.
> > >>
> > >> The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is
> > >> and advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
> > >>
> > >> The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in
> > >> their own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean
> > >> "stop racing"
> > >>>
> > >>> Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather
> > >>> flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most
> > >>> people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to
> > >>> be competitive with experienced drivers.
> > >> That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
> > >>>
> > >>> Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in
> > >>> 1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety
> > >>> pilot. You can see the track at
> > >>> https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until
> > >>> the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent flight available
> > >>> without a paid subscription.
> > >> "simulated" with a safety pilot...
> > >>
> > >> ...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
> > >>>
> > >>> Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold
> > >>> entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2
> > >>> miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a
> > >>> landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other
> > >>> aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.
> > >> Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were
> > >> spent level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL,
> > >> correct?
> > >>>
> > >>> You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then
> > >>> transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an
> > >>> hour.
> > >>>
> > >>> Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
> > >>> Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope
> > >>> out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would
> > >>> finish.
> > >> And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
> > >>
> > >> And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that
> > >> race track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument
> > >> flying to what we were discussing.
> > >>
> > >> You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while
> > >> other cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have)
> > >> go flying past you.
> > >>
> > >> This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
> > >>
> > >> I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
> > >> racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
> > >> Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
> > >>
> > >> ...and you still want to argue the point.
> > >>
> > >> CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
> > >>
> > >> Yes. From time to time.
> > >>
> > >> Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
> > >>
> > >> Nope. Not unless you're:
> > >>
> > >> Flying aerobatics...
> > >>
> > >> ...or fighter jets...
> > >>
> > >> ...or air racing.
> > >
> > > I do not argue that cruising on the highway or in the air is less
> > > difficult and stressful than a car race. You admit that flying can be
> > > very stressful, but still want to argue the point.
> > You're a liar, Little Shit.
> >
> > That is PRECISELY the argument you started out making.
> > >
> > > Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
> > > airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
> > > while using a vision limiting device.
> >
> > Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
> > made.
> Because he needs to move the goalposts.
> > > Or that you have flown an
> > > airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
> > > then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
> > > the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
> > > PERSONAL judgement.
> > >
> > > This is me in a race car:
> > >
> > > https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
> > 'Google
> >
> > 404. That’s an error.
> >
> > The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
> Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
> tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
> > > There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
> > > appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
> > > to win.
> >
> > No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
> > give you any appreciation for what racing is.
> A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
> foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
> any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
> variable is eliminated.
>
> -hh

HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner. NOTHING like autocross, where I have more experience than on a oval.