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Re: My Macbook Pro 16 M1 Max Has Finished Production

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Subject: Re: My Macbook Pro 16 M1 Max Has Finished Production
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 by: STALKING_TARGET_68 - Sun, 2 Jan 2022 20:05 UTC

On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 4:21:37 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-12-29 3:13 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 8:58:13 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2021-12-28 5:51 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 9:50:47 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2021-12-25 7:05 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 12:37:59 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2021-12-11 9:04 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 8:21:38 AM UTC-5, -hh
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 11:33:07 PM UTC-5, Thomas
> >>>>>>>> E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 7:16:29 AM UTC-5, -hh
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 11:33:53 PM UTC-5,
> >>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-12-08 8:24 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 3:44:15 PM UTC-5,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ... While we also know that the degree of SSD
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> overprovisioning is another factor which will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> affect the product's useful lifetime, it is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> nevertheless a good point that the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "SSD-as-RAM-surrogate" aspect to the M1 designs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> will have an impact at some point in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> product's lifecycle, and for some percentage of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> its users will probably be the determinant for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> when its useful life has been curtailed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pragmatically, the design is such that it does
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed become a disposable item at that point,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and while Apple does offer trade-ins, the degree
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to which SSD wear will become another criteria
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (or already is) by which they adjust their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> trade-in price offer is a good question.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pragmatically Apple should not solder in parts
> >>>>>>>>>>>> known to wear out over time. There is no reason to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> do so unless you want to limit a product's useful
> >>>>>>>>>>>> life.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Every part wears out over time, Idiot.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> So according to you, nothing should be soldered in at
> >>>>>>>>>>> all.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Its also ignoring that there's benefits to soldering in
> >>>>>>>>>> the trade-off, such as:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> a) reduced cube b) reduced costs c) increased
> >>>>>>>>>> reliability
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Reliability? Sources please.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Besides the Master’s Degree I have in Engineering? Well,
> >>>>>>>> there’s the MILSPEC/HNDBK on it at work that the EE-centric
> >>>>>>>> teams use on TRL 6+ designs.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Basically, its the design principle of fewer parts, as
> >>>>>>>> provisioning a removable connector adds two parts (each
> >>>>>>>> side of the connector), a solder joint, plus the
> >>>>>>>> reliability hit from the connector pin connection too.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Graphically:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (Part A) —— sj —— (Part B)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> vs
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (Part A) —— sj —— (connector/M) —— cp —— (connector/F) ——
> >>>>>>>> sj —— (Part B)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> …where: “sj” = solder joint interface “cp” = connector pin
> >>>>>>>> interface
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It’s one (1) failure point vs five (5) failure points….
> >>>>>>>> since 1<5, 1 wins on reliability.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> All true, but solder joints fail too. So, the tradeoff is
> >>>>>>> that you know that some parts are more likely to fail from
> >>>>>>> normal use. Do you accept the small chance of an easily
> >>>>>>> replaceable part's connection failing versus the making that
> >>>>>>> junction more reliable at the expense of making the failed
> >>>>>>> part difficult or impossible to replace? Does a soldered SSD
> >>>>>>> lead to trashing an otherwise functional piece of equipment?
> >>>>>> Can you really not read simple English, Idiot?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Making a part removable means using MORE SOLDER JOINTS.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can't you understand that at least you have the option of
> >>>>> replacement of a key part that is sure to eventually fail?
> >>>> Can't you understand that adding more connections means creating
> >>>> more ways for the whole system to fail?
> >>>>
> >>>> Transistors are "sure to fail", too. Should we go back to vacuum
> >>>> tubes?
> >>>
> >>> Another Baker deflection. Transistor MTBF is several magnitudes above
> >>> a vacuum tube. A well-crafted connector for a SSD or RAM chip is not
> >>> likely to fail.
> >> Nope. A legitimate discourse on the fact that there is more to it than
> >> simply something is "sure to fail".
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, I really doubt you could build a modern laptop using 30
> >>> billion or so vacuum tubes.
> >>>
> >>> Check this out:
> >>>
> >>> https://frame.work/blog/introducing-the-framework-laptop
> >>> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/framework-announces-marketplace-for-expansion-cards
> >> It's been tried before.
> >>
> >> How's that worked out?
> >>
> >> :-)
> >
> > Pretty well in a limited sense. PCMIA was a good idea, then the USB standard replaced it. Today's Dells get high repairability scores due to their modular construction, and they are reliable.
> PCMIA is not an entire modular laptop.
>
> USB isn't either.

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