On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 1:58:44 AM UTC-4, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 30/04/2022 6:44 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > On 30/04/22 13:44, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> >> On 30/04/2022 2:08 am, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 00:24:25 +0100, Richard Heathfield

> >>>> No, I already knew that. I meant unambiguous evidence that
> >>>> Tucker Carlson promotes racist views.
> >>> The unambiguous evidence is most easily determined by watching
> >>> Tucker Carlson's program.
> >> Yet again, no actual linkk to actual evidence. If it's so easy to
> >> find, why can nobody post a URL to it?
> > Here are two. It's not hard to find more. You could watch his program,
> > as Tony suggested, but that would involve the unpleasant experience of
> > listening to Fox.
> > <https://bfy.tw/SzVZ>
>
> That didn't work.

It offers the url of a WP article. One needs to actually read the
wording of the link to see that. But it doesn't provide a link.

> > <https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/10/tucker-carlson-fox-news-united-states-race>
>
> That was a long article in which Carlson's opposition to mass
> immigration is cited over and again. So what? There's a huge difference
> between racism and opposition to mass immigration. Or do you equate
> those two? If so, you haven't thought through the implications.

What did I tell you?

Or, maybe he skipped over the "long" quotations because they're in italics,
proffering a cognitive difficulty for the marginally literate.

Hint: What does Heathfield think "doesn't look like us" means?

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 4:54:27 AM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022, at 18:04:51, Snidely posted:
> >After serious thinking Tony Cooper wrote :

> >> Help me out here. What's a "single-axis valve" in this context, and
> >> as opposed to what.
> >You don't understand my description? 1 control, usually rotary. The
> >axis of the rotation is the single axis.
> >> The shower I use has one controlling part as shown in this link. Pull
> >> it out, and the water starts. Turn it left or right to control the
> >> hot/cold mix.
> >That would be a dual-axis valve. The axis of the rotation, and the
> >axis of the translation (x-y movement).
>
> That is one single axis which is shared by the two movements. An axis is
> a straight line. Tony's rotation is rotation about that line, and Tony's
> pushing and pulling is translation along that same line. "Dual-axis"
> would imply two different lines. Does that help?

I thought he was describing two concentric axes, rather than axes
of an x,y plot.

> >>https://www.deltafaucet.com/dw/image/v2/BFJJ_PRD/on/demandware.static/-
> >>/Sites-delta-master-catalog/default/dw19a36440/images/large/H71-B1.png?
> >>sw=600&sh=600&sm=fit

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 08:34:50 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:11:45 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>> My shower head is at the end of the hose. That lets me direct the flow
>> wherever I want, including under the beard and under the armpits when
>> I'm rinsing. I'd hate to go back to a fixed shower head.
>
>My limited experience with that (European) arrangement suggests
>that it requires three hands to do it efficiently/effectively.

I replaced the standard showerhead in the bathroom my wife uses in
this condo with one of those "on a hose" heads.

She has the standard number of hands for a human, and is quite pleased
with the new showerhead. Getting "under the beard" is not a
consideration for her, but reports that the new showerhead can be used
efficiently and effectively. I have no reason to doubt her.

The primary advantage of the new showerhead - to her - is that it
allows her to keep her hair dry when showering and not shampooing, or
rinsing when she does shampoo.

I have not observed her shower habits in great detail, but I have the
impression that she does not wash her face in the shower. Face-washing
is done at the sink, and involves an array of Clinique products in
addition to soap and water.

Replacing a showerhead is a very simple task that requires only
screwing off the old head and screwing on the new head where it
connects to the pipe stub. The closest to a tricky part is wrapping
the threads with Teflon tape.

I have not replaced the standard showerhead in the bathroom that I use
because keeping my hair dry is not a consideration.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:02:19 +1000, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 30/04/22 06:52, Lewis wrote:
>
>> Most bathrooms (and ALL bathrooms I ever saw in the US up until
>> sometime in the 1990s) have had a bathtub with a shower in the tub.
>> Before then the only time I saw showers without tubs was in locker
>> rooms (mostly in TV and movies), at least in the US.
>
>The only place I see showers inside tubs is in hotels; and only, I
>think, in a minority of hotels. Getting into and out of the tub is a
>safety hazard, in my experience.

In a hotel somewhere it Italy (I forget where) a few years a go, my
wife took a shower in a tub. and had a bad fall. Fortunately she
didn't break any bones, but her shoulder hurt for several weeks
afterward.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:34:07 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:02:19 +1000, Peter Moylan
><peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 30/04/22 06:52, Lewis wrote:
>>
>>> Most bathrooms (and ALL bathrooms I ever saw in the US up until
>>> sometime in the 1990s) have had a bathtub with a shower in the tub.
>>> Before then the only time I saw showers without tubs was in locker
>>> rooms (mostly in TV and movies), at least in the US.
>>
>>The only place I see showers inside tubs is in hotels; and only, I
>>think, in a minority of hotels. Getting into and out of the tub is a
>>safety hazard, in my experience.
>
>
>In a hotel somewhere it Italy (I forget where) a few years a go, my
>wife took a shower in a tub. and had a bad fall. Fortunately she
>didn't break any bones, but her shoulder hurt for several weeks
>afterward.

I assume you took her with you when you left the hotel. If you can't
remember where the hotel is, it would be rather awkward to retrieve
her now.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 00:37:43 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Just this Friday, Tony Cooper explained that ...
>> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 17:59:52 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lo, on the 4/29/2022, Tony Cooper did proclaim ...
>>>> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 14:11:13 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tony Cooper suggested that ...
>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 01:49:27 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, Tony Cooper exclaimed wildly:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 23:10:01 -0400, Quinn C
>>>>>>>> <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * Ken Blake:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 18:04:23 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The shower in question was old-school: seperate hot and cold valves.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You say "old school," but isn't that still most common? Ours are
>>>>>>>>>> single valve, but I had to choose and pay extra for them when the
>>>>>>>>>> house was built.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know at least one person (my brother-in law) who prefers separate
>>>>>>>>>> hot and cold valves.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was confused the first time I was in a hotel in North America,
>>>>>>>>> because the shower was such that one couldn't regulate water flow and
>>>>>>>>> temperature separately: one handle to turn, from off to cold to hot.
>>>>>>>>> It didn't help that any markings that might have been there originally
>>>>>>>>> were worn off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's the "single axis" design in my descriptions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Over time, I learned that this, with variations, is standard in hotels
>>>>>>>>> and inns, and also common in homes. How common exactly in homes, I
>>>>>>>>> can't say, but the majority of the places I've lived had something
>>>>>>>>> like that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think I've ever lived anywhere with a shower where the water
>>>>>>>> flow is adjustable other than by not fully opening the taps. Our
>>>>>>>> current shower has a single knob that is pulled out to start the water
>>>>>>>> (and turned to adjust the mix of hot and cold) flow. I could pull it
>>>>>>>> out partially, I suppose. That would reduce flow, but it would
>>>>>>>> require standing directly under the shower head to get wet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't understand why anyone would want to adjust the flow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I can see you don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I happen to not want to fill the tub in 5 minutes while showering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never been in a shower that regulates water flow,
>>>>>
>>>>> Really? Not even in a motel or hotel?
>>>>
>>>> Not to my knowledge. I have stayed in places where the water in the
>>>> shower was not as forceful as in other places, but I would have
>>>> attributed that to poor design of the plumbing system rather than
>>>> intended regulation.
>>>>>
>>>>>> and never
>>>>>> been in a shower where the water accumulates enough to cover my pinky
>>>>>> toe during a shower.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not hard to find examples; quite common in places I've
>>>>> overnighted.
>>>>
>>>> And I would attribute that to a clogged drain.
>>>
>>> Sometimes that is a reason, but many many times it is the flowrate into
>>> the shower that is the issue. The tub does not include pumps to
>>> increase the pressure at the drain.
>>
>> I just can't conceive of the tub filling from the shower with the
>> drain open. I've never seen anything close to that.
>>
>> If I did, I'd think the cause to be a clogged drain or undersized
>> pipes from the drain to the main discharge pipe. If the house is on a
>> septic tank, I'd suspect the dispersal system from the septic tank
>> needs replacing because the septic tank isn't draining.
>>
>
>I'm sorry you are having trouble visualizing this. It's quite common
>in hotel rooms I've been in,

We all have had different experiences. Mine is much like Tony's, not
yours, and I've stayed in *many* hotel rooms in many countries.

I won't say I've never experienced what you describe, but I will say
that it's been very rare, and almost certainly because of clogged
drains.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:09:48 +1000, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 30/04/22 08:52, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 14:11:13 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Tony Cooper suggested that ...
>
>>>> Drifting a bit...we have been reliably informed that standing to
>>>> urinate is done to prove one's masculinity. Is standing to
>>>> shower a similar indicator?
>>>
>>> You like to be annoying, don't you? Did you ask your wife about
>>> this?
>>
>> I take the lawyer's approach to that: Never ask a question unless
>> you already know the answer.
>
>To the best of my knowledge, women who pee in the shower do so in a
>standing position. I suppose that's to make them feel more masculine.

The only time I've ever seen a toilet in a shower was many years ago
in a hotel somewhere in Italy (Venice? I'm not sure). The entire
bathroom was a shower with the shower head in the middle of the
ceiling and the drain in the middle of the floor.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:11:41 +1000, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 30/04/22 07:11, Snidely wrote:
>> Tony Cooper suggested that ...
>
>>> At the far end of the tub, the water from a properly aimed shower
>>> head would be directed at your feet if you are standing as one
>>> normally does when taking a shower. When I shower, I prefer that
>>> the water be directed higher on my body, so I don't stand at the
>>> far end.
>>
>> I can have the spray reaching my glutes and even my lower back when I
>> stand at the far end of the tub. Convenient because the shaving
>> mirror is at that end, and my lower back is full of knots.
>
>My shower head is at the end of the hose. That lets me direct the flow
>wherever I want, including under the beard and under the armpits when
>I'm rinsing. I'd hate to go back to a fixed shower head.

Ditto.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 07:48:38 -0400, CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 4/29/2022 9:13 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
>
>[April showers]
>
>> Drifting a bit...we have been reliably informed that standing to
>> urinate is done to prove one's masculinity. Is standing to shower a
>> similar indicator?
>
>I sit on a stool in the tub for mine. It's possible my testosterone
>levels have gone down.

I have a stool in my shower. I sit on it only to wash my feet.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 03:14:50 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Paul Wolff was thinking very hard :
>> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022, at 18:04:51, Snidely posted:
>
>>>That would be a dual-axis valve. The axis of the rotation, and the axis of
>>> the translation (x-y movement).
>>>
>> That is one single axis which is shared by the two movements. An axis is a
>> straight line. Tony's rotation is rotation about that line, and Tony's
>> pushing and pulling is translation along that same line. "Dual-axis" would
>> imply two different lines. Does that help?
>
>Sorry, mathematics, physics, and engineering allows axes to be where
>they are needed.

Yes, that's much the same thing Lizzie Borden apparently thought.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:38:45 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:34:07 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:02:19 +1000, Peter Moylan
>><peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On 30/04/22 06:52, Lewis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most bathrooms (and ALL bathrooms I ever saw in the US up until
>>>> sometime in the 1990s) have had a bathtub with a shower in the tub.
>>>> Before then the only time I saw showers without tubs was in locker
>>>> rooms (mostly in TV and movies), at least in the US.
>>>
>>>The only place I see showers inside tubs is in hotels; and only, I
>>>think, in a minority of hotels. Getting into and out of the tub is a
>>>safety hazard, in my experience.
>>
>>
>>In a hotel somewhere it Italy (I forget where) a few years a go, my
>>wife took a shower in a tub. and had a bad fall. Fortunately she
>>didn't break any bones, but her shoulder hurt for several weeks
>>afterward.
>
>I assume you took her with you when you left the hotel. If you can't
>remember where the hotel is, it would be rather awkward to retrieve
>her now.

Awkward for me, but she might have been having a great experience all
these years. We both love being in Italy

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:12:02 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 08:34:50 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
><grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 9:11:45 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>
>>> My shower head is at the end of the hose. That lets me direct the flow
>>> wherever I want, including under the beard and under the armpits when
>>> I'm rinsing. I'd hate to go back to a fixed shower head.
>>
>>My limited experience with that (European) arrangement suggests
>>that it requires three hands to do it efficiently/effectively.
>
>I replaced the standard showerhead in the bathroom my wife uses in
>this condo with one of those "on a hose" heads.
>
>She has the standard number of hands for a human, and is quite pleased
>with the new showerhead. Getting "under the beard" is not a
>consideration for her, but reports that the new showerhead can be used
>efficiently and effectively. I have no reason to doubt her.
>
>The primary advantage of the new showerhead - to her - is that it
>allows her to keep her hair dry when showering and not shampooing, or
>rinsing when she does shampoo.
>
>I have not observed her shower habits in great detail, but I have the
>impression that she does not wash her face in the shower. Face-washing
>is done at the sink, and involves an array of Clinique products in
>addition to soap and water.
>
>Replacing a showerhead is a very simple task that requires only
>screwing off the old head and screwing on the new head where it
>connects to the pipe stub. The closest to a tricky part is wrapping
>the threads with Teflon tape.

Yes, very simple, even for me. I've done it three or four times over
the years, as the old ones have gotten clogged. At my age doing almost
anything mechanical is much harder than it used to be.

Even the tape wrapping is easy..

>
>I have not replaced the standard showerhead in the bathroom that I use
>because keeping my hair dry is not a consideration.

That's not a consideration for me either, but the hose makes it much
easier to direct water to places like underarms, groin, etc.

In article <ulpq6hlfvrhkue9chk0eqdlj62af4k7cq0@4ax.com>,
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:09:48 +1000, Peter Moylan
> <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

> >On 30/04/22 08:52, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 14:11:13 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Tony Cooper suggested that ...
> >
> >>>> Drifting a bit...we have been reliably informed that standing to
> >>>> urinate is done to prove one's masculinity. Is standing to
> >>>> shower a similar indicator?
> >>>
> >>> You like to be annoying, don't you? Did you ask your wife about
> >>> this?
> >>
> >> I take the lawyer's approach to that: Never ask a question unless
> >> you already know the answer.
> >
> >To the best of my knowledge, women who pee in the shower do so in a
> >standing position. I suppose that's to make them feel more masculine.

> The only time I've ever seen a toilet in a shower was many years ago
> in a hotel somewhere in Italy (Venice? I'm not sure). The entire
> bathroom was a shower with the shower head in the middle of the
> ceiling and the drain in the middle of the floor.

you get someting similar on the Caledonina Sleeper.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

* Peter T. Daniels:

> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 5:38:35 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
>
>> My typically weak subject matters would've held me back yesterday as
>> well. I couldn't answer any but the few easily guessable ones in poetry,
>> movies and English history in the first round.
>>
>> Jeopardy has taught me how important English history is to Americans. In
>> Germany, the renaissance in Italy and the French revolution are deemed
>> of great importance for our understanding of European history, but from
>> the UK, probably only the industrial revolution. Usually, what happened
>> there didn't have that much impact on us.

Specifically, I'm not sure any of the kings and queens were ever
mentioned in our classes at school, but in Jeopardy, you're expected to
know a bunch of them. Henry VIII and Queen Victoria are general
knowledge in Germany, too, aside from school, but not many others. And
we don't meet them in literature class, either. The only Shakespeare I
got at school was A Midsummer Night's Dream. I don't really know what
Richard III is about, apart from a horse.

> It looks like the questions are set at high-performing high school level,
> plus pop culture. Probably nothing that wasn't covered in Biology, Chemistry,
> and Physics class, or at worst A.P. Bio, Chem, and Phy. (*A.P. Bio* was a
> quirky sitcom that unfortunately migrated to cable.) Always excepting
> classical music and, usually, geography.
>
> Last night they were preempted (bumped to 3:35 am) by the NFL Draft.
>
>>> One that surprised me (may not have been last night's) was the clue that
>>> included something like "how many fit on the head of a pin), which none
>>> of the contestants got.
>>
>> That was also a very obvious one to me, and only worth $800 in DJ.
>
> That was on a day when I was watching an old movie instead. Presumably
> it wasn't about angels?
>
> Hilarious was the one where they wanted to know what order voles are in,
> but because the clue included "insectivore" the three of them cycled through
> carni-, omni-, and herbivore. Ken was most appropriately smug at that point.

It means they had no concept of biological "order". But maybe that's
beyond high school knowledge.

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:43:42 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:09:48 +1000, Peter Moylan
><peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 30/04/22 08:52, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 14:11:13 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Tony Cooper suggested that ...
>>
>>>>> Drifting a bit...we have been reliably informed that standing to
>>>>> urinate is done to prove one's masculinity. Is standing to
>>>>> shower a similar indicator?
>>>>
>>>> You like to be annoying, don't you? Did you ask your wife about
>>>> this?
>>>
>>> I take the lawyer's approach to that: Never ask a question unless
>>> you already know the answer.
>>
>>To the best of my knowledge, women who pee in the shower do so in a
>>standing position. I suppose that's to make them feel more masculine.
>
>
>The only time I've ever seen a toilet in a shower was many years ago
>in a hotel somewhere in Italy (Venice? I'm not sure). The entire
>bathroom was a shower with the shower head in the middle of the
>ceiling and the drain in the middle of the floor.

My brother's first domicile in Copenhagen was similar. It was a
single-family three-story dwelling that had been divided into three
units. The bathroom was not in the original floorplan.

It was one space with a toilet, sink, and a showerhead-on-a-hose on
the wall. There was a tiled floor with a drain, but no enclosure
around the shower. It was my first exposure to a showerhead-on-hose.
My wife and I managed the new shower arrangement, but our two children
(aged 5 and 3 in 1972) found it a bit terrifying. My wife had to get
naked to bathe them.

His "domicile" was what I would call an apartment, but he owned it.
Apartments here are rented. I suppose it was some type of condo
arrangement, but I'm not sure how it worked.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

In message <113p6hln14sgi2blfiddb2ajcmt0jvgrk9@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 17:59:52 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
> wrote:

>>Sometimes that is a reason, but many many times it is the flowrate into
>>the shower that is the issue. The tub does not include pumps to
>>increase the pressure at the drain.

> I just can't conceive of the tub filling from the shower with the
> drain open. I've never seen anything close to that.

Agreed. It seems very very odd to me. The drain on a tub is at least
twice the size of the pipe feeding in water.

If the water from the shower backs-up in the tub, something is very wrong
and needs to be fixed.

--
'Are you Death?' IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE
SCYTHE.

In message <mn.f0257e64fbc2a964.127094@snitoo> Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry you are having trouble visualizing this. It's quite common
> in hotel rooms I've been in, and I can tell which ones have stopped
> drains, which haven't been many.

I can't think of anytime this has happened in any hotel I've been in The
only times the tub has backed up from a shower is 1) if the stopper is
closed or 2) there's been a clog.

> To help you, consider taking a 5-gallon bucket full of water, pouring
> it as quickly as you can into your tub, and see if it runs out of the
> tub as fast as you pour it in.

That's far more water than a pipe produces, and it will run down very
very quickly. You'd need to be dumping in multiple buckets for quite some
time to notice the tub filling.

--
Lithium will no longer be available on credit

On 30-Apr-22 18:07, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:12:02 -0400, Tony Cooper
> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Replacing a showerhead is a very simple task that requires only
>> screwing off the old head and screwing on the new head where it
>> connects to the pipe stub. The closest to a tricky part is wrapping
>> the threads with Teflon tape.
>
> Yes, very simple, even for me. I've done it three or four times over
> the years, as the old ones have gotten clogged. At my age doing almost
> anything mechanical is much harder than it used to be.

I replaced the whole shower unit last week.
It's an electric 10.8kW shower.
I was replacing the dead one with the same model, so it only involved
undoing the three wire electrical connection[1] and undoing the cold
water feed[2] before taking out the three mounting screws.
Fitting the new shower was the reverse of the above.
It took around 2-3 hours, but I'm sure I could have done it in half the
time if I hadn't made a couple of false steps.

[1] First isolating the supply in two places.
[2] First closing the cut-off valve in the supply line.

P.S. The reservoir which holds the heating element it quite small, it
probably holds less than 500 mL.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 1:39:41 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> * Peter T. Daniels:
> > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 5:38:35 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> >
> >> My typically weak subject matters would've held me back yesterday as
> >> well. I couldn't answer any but the few easily guessable ones in poetry,
> >> movies and English history in the first round.
> >>
> >> Jeopardy has taught me how important English history is to Americans. In
> >> Germany, the renaissance in Italy and the French revolution are deemed
> >> of great importance for our understanding of European history, but from
> >> the UK, probably only the industrial revolution. Usually, what happened
> >> there didn't have that much impact on us.
> Specifically, I'm not sure any of the kings and queens were ever
> mentioned in our classes at school, but in Jeopardy, you're expected to
> know a bunch of them. Henry VIII and Queen Victoria are general
> knowledge in Germany, too, aside from school, but not many others. And
> we don't meet them in literature class, either. The only Shakespeare I
> got at school was A Midsummer Night's Dream. I don't really know what
> Richard III is about, apart from a horse.

It's basically Tudor propaganda, showing how evil R3 was and how
lucky they were that Henry VII Tudor was the outcome. But even so,
Richard's malevolence is attributed to his deformity rather than a
character flaw.

It was really shocking the other day when someone write H8 in Final
for something that was centuries earlier or later (and pretty well known)
-- I don't recall the question.

> > It looks like the questions are set at high-performing high school level,
> > plus pop culture. Probably nothing that wasn't covered in Biology, Chemistry,
> > and Physics class, or at worst A.P. Bio, Chem, and Phy. (*A.P. Bio* was a
> > quirky sitcom that unfortunately migrated to cable.) Always excepting
> > classical music and, usually, geography.
> > Last night they were preempted (bumped to 3:35 am) by the NFL Draft.
> >>> One that surprised me (may not have been last night's) was the clue that
> >>> included something like "how many fit on the head of a pin), which none
> >>> of the contestants got.
> >> That was also a very obvious one to me, and only worth $800 in DJ.
> > That was on a day when I was watching an old movie instead. Presumably
> > it wasn't about angels?

Nu?

> > Hilarious was the one where they wanted to know what order voles are in,
> > but because the clue included "insectivore" the three of them cycled through
> > carni-, omni-, and herbivore. Ken was most appropriately smug at that point.
>
> It means they had no concept of biological "order". But maybe that's
> beyond high school knowledge.

Not in my day ... some people even needed a mnemonic for species
genus family order class kingdom.

Or they missed that "order" in the clue was a technical term. Or, like
good Americans, they had no idea what a vole is. We have shrews
for that ecological niche.

On 30-Apr-22 5:32, Tony Cooper wrote:
> At the moment I can only recall one bad shower experience in all of
> the years I've taken showers. In 1969, we stayed at hotel Dublin that
> did not have en suite facilities. The shower had a coin-operated
> device that controlled the water. I think it took 10 p coins.

That type of system used to be fairly common on UK campsites.
You never knew just how long a shower you could get for your money, so
you either loaded the thing up with half a dozen coins and bequeathed
the balance to the next user[1], or did the dance of the 'can I get out
to the meter and back without too much embarrassment'.

[1] On most of these showers the 'meter' was simply a timer preset by
the management, so if the shower stood idle for a while after you got
out, the house wins.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 2:23:54 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:

> His "domicile" was what I would call an apartment, but he owned it.
> Apartments here are rented. I suppose it was some type of condo
> arrangement, but I'm not sure how it worked.

An apartment is a "domicile" in a building with other apartments.

The term has nothing to do with financial relationships. An apartment
can be rented; can be a condominium, in which the occupant owns the
physical premises they occupy; or in NY and NY-influenced areas, a
cooperative (co-op), in which the occupant owns shares in the corporation
that owns and operates the premises. And, of course, the owner of an
apartment house can occupy one of the apartments in the house.

They all have different tax situations.

On 30-Apr-22 18:39, Quinn C wrote:
> The only Shakespeare I
> got at school was A Midsummer Night's Dream. I don't really know what
> Richard III is about, apart from a horse.

The film version (1995) is about 1 hour 44 minutes.

Other performances may vary.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 20:22:28 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 30-Apr-22 5:32, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> At the moment I can only recall one bad shower experience in all of
>> the years I've taken showers. In 1969, we stayed at hotel Dublin that
>> did not have en suite facilities. The shower had a coin-operated
>> device that controlled the water. I think it took 10 p coins.
>
>That type of system used to be fairly common on UK campsites.
>You never knew just how long a shower you could get for your money, so
>you either loaded the thing up with half a dozen coins and bequeathed
>the balance to the next user[1], or did the dance of the 'can I get out
>to the meter and back without too much embarrassment'.

On that trip, we encountered the same type of device in other places,
but not to control the time water would run.

A London B&B had one on the water heater for the en suite bathroom
bathtub. Water was free, but hot water came at a cost. An Edinburgh
B&B had one on the television and some place had one on the radio.

In no case that I remember did any of them provide any information of
how much time a coin would provide. Of course, it was less of a
problem to run out of time if one wasn't already in the shower,
lathered up, and waiting to rinse off.

We made that 1969 trip before we could afford the trip. My wife was
pregnant with our second child, and we decided that if we didn't go
then, it would be several years before we could make the trip. We
left our daughter with my wife's brother and his wife.

Consequently, we used Beth Bryant's "England on $5 and $10 a Day" and
"Ireland on $5 and $10 a Day " books and stayed in the least
expensive B&B listed whenever possible. It was possible, in those
days, to get by on $10 a day per person for meals and accomodation in
Ireland, England, and Scotland. The $5 figure would have involved
staying in hostels, and we didn't do that.

We did splurge on things like theatre tickets and other entertainment
venues like Jury's and the Palladium, but economized on accomodation
and meals.

>
>[1] On most of these showers the 'meter' was simply a timer preset by
>the management, so if the shower stood idle for a while after you got
>out, the house wins.
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 4:03:24 PM UTC-4, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 30-Apr-22 18:39, Quinn C wrote:

> > The only Shakespeare I
> > got at school was A Midsummer Night's Dream. I don't really know what
> > Richard III is about, apart from a horse.
>
> The film version (1995) is about 1 hour 44 minutes.

IMDb says 1 h 50 m.

> Other performances may vary.

Hos much did they have to cut to accommodate the change of era?

The Olivier movie is 2 h 41 m.

On Saturday or thereabouts, Snidely declared ...
> Paul Wolff was thinking very hard :
>> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022, at 18:04:51, Snidely posted:
>
>>>That would be a dual-axis valve. The axis of the rotation, and the axis
>>> of the translation (x-y movement).
>>>
>> That is one single axis which is shared by the two movements. An axis is a
>> straight line. Tony's rotation is rotation about that line, and Tony's
>> pushing and pulling is translation along that same line. "Dual-axis" would
>> imply two different lines. Does that help?
>
> Sorry, mathematics, physics, and engineering allows axes to be where they are
> needed. In this case, there are two axes which happen to be colinear. Try
> plotting a phase space diagram and try to figure out where those axes are in
> "normal" space.
>

Phase space is, of course, a red herring here. I would most likley
plot this in polar coordinates, with amount of pull for r and
temperature for theta, and I would expect something of a cardoid shape.

/dps

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