On 27-May-22 23:25, lar3ryca wrote:

> (a) it was not MAD Magazine I saw 'sheesh' in
> or
> (b) I saw 'sheesh' in one of the images.

1955 Art Carney - Sheesh, What A Grouch!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lN2yloEZg4

--
Sam Plusnet

On 28/05/22 10:06, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 7:18:33 AM UTC-7, Jerry Friedman
> wrote:
>>
>> Obaue: Is there a word that is to "prime minister" as "presidency"
>> is to "president"? "Premiership"?
>>
> This may have been partially answered, but I've lost track of the
> relevant post. Yes, we in Canada speak of, say, the prime
> ministership of Justin Trudeau. Not premiership, which is reserved
> for provincial premiers. Technically, either term can apply to the
> first minister's office in either jurisdiction, but in practice, the
> terms are kept separate for clarity.

In Australia we also use prime ministership, but we don't have an
equivalent term for state premiers. The premiership goes to the winner
of the football grand final.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

On 2022-05-27 18:06, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 7:18:33 AM UTC-7, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>
>> Obaue: Is there a word that is to "prime minister" as "presidency" is to "president"?
>> "Premiership"?
>>
> This may have been partially answered, but I've lost track of the relevant post.
> Yes, we in Canada speak of, say, the prime ministership of Justin Trudeau. Not
> premiership, which is reserved for provincial premiers. Technically, either term can
> apply to the first minister's office in either jurisdiction, but in practice, the terms are
> kept separate for clarity.

Additionally, to differentiate provincial and federal members, an MP is
a Members Parliament (federal), while an MLA is a Member of the
Legislative Assembly (provincial).

I know you know this, Bill, but it's aimed at those who might not.

--
I joined the Jehovah's Witness Protection Program

On 2022-05-27 22:19, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2022-05-27 18:06, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 7:18:33 AM UTC-7, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>>
>>> Obaue: Is there a word that is to "prime minister" as "presidency" is
>>> to "president"?
>>> "Premiership"?
>>>
>> This may have been partially answered, but I've lost track of the
>> relevant post.
>> Yes, we in Canada speak of, say, the prime ministership of Justin
>> Trudeau. Not
>> premiership, which is reserved for provincial premiers. Technically,
>> either term can
>> apply to the first minister's office in either jurisdiction, but in
>> practice, the terms are
>> kept separate for clarity.
>
> Additionally, to differentiate provincial and federal members, an MP  is
> a Members Parliament (federal), while an MLA is a Member of the
> Legislative Assembly (provincial).

I should never try to reword something in situ.
That should have been:

Additionally, to differentiate provincial and federal members, an MP is
a Member of Parliament (federal), while an MLA is a Member of the
Legislative Assembly (provincial)

> I know you know this, Bill, but it's aimed at those who might not.

--
To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion

"Larry":
> Additionally, to differentiate provincial and federal members, an MP is
> a Member of Parliament (federal), while an MLA is a Member of the
> Legislative Assembly (provincial)

In most provinces. Ontario has MPPs (Members of Provincial Parliament).
The legislature or provincial parliament itself is usually just referred
to as "Queen's Park".
--
Mark Brader | "...being permitted to propel a ton of steel through
Toronto | public places at speeds of up to 33 m/s is not a
msb@vex.net | fundamental human right in my book" -- Paul Ciszek

On 2022-05-27 23:47, Mark Brader wrote:
> "Larry":
>> Additionally, to differentiate provincial and federal members, an MP is
>> a Member of Parliament (federal), while an MLA is a Member of the
>> Legislative Assembly (provincial)
>
> In most provinces. Ontario has MPPs (Members of Provincial Parliament).
> The legislature or provincial parliament itself is usually just referred
> to as "Queen's Park".

Ahh. Thanks for the added info.

--
"Your waffle iron isn't working, dear!"
"Please stay away from my laptop, grandma!"

On 5/28/2022 12:30 AM, lar3ryca wrote:
> lar3ryca wrote:
>> bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>> Jerry Friedman wrote:

>>>> Obaue: Is there a word that is to "prime minister" as
>>>> "presidency" is to "president"? "Premiership"?

>>> This may have been partially answered, but I've lost track of the
>>> relevant post. Yes, we in Canada speak of, say, the prime
>>> ministership of Justin Trudeau. Not premiership, which is
>>> reserved for provincial premiers. Technically, either term can
>>> apply to the first minister's office in either jurisdiction, but
>>> in practice, the terms are kept separate for clarity.

>> Additionally, to differentiate provincial and federal members, an
>> MP is a Members Parliament (federal), while an MLA is a Member of
>> the Legislative Assembly (provincial).

> I should never try to reword something in situ. That should have
> been:

> Additionally, to differentiate provincial and federal members, an MP
> is a Member of Parliament (federal), while an MLA is a Member of the
> Legislative Assembly (provincial)

And an MHA is a Member of the House of Assembly in Newfoundland and
Labrador, an MPP is a member of the Provincial Parliament in Ontario,
and in Quebec an MNA is a Member of the National Assembly in English or
a député in French.

>> I know you know this, Bill, but it's aimed at those who might not.
>

On 5/27/2022 8:13 PM, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> PeterWD wrote:
>>>> "Peter T. Daniels"

>> [oaths for the million]
>>>>> And, since about 1940, "Jiminy Cricket!" (TC can look up the
>>>>> release date of *Pinocchio* if he cares.)

>>>> Thre is a comedian born in Northern Ireland who uses the stage
>>>> name Jimmy Cricket. I don't know for sure, but that name might
>>>> have been inspired by "Jiminy Cricket". He is James Mulgrew
>>>> and, of course, Jimmy is a diminutive of James.

>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Cricket

>>> Not a hint of the origin of the name! But apparently
>>> Irishpersons think "cut-off evening trousers" are hilarious, not
>>> to mention "wellington boots marked "L" and "R" for left and
>>> right, but worn on the wrong feet."

>> In New Jersey they mark the soles "open other end".

> While simultaneously holding their tongue?

They don't do that in New Jersey, no matter how much you beg.

Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> writes:
>Thanks. "Prime ministership" sounds a bit odd to me, but I'm
>not the one using it.

Snippet from a search-engine result page:

|premiership definition: 1. the period when someone is prime
|minister, or the job of being prime minister 2. the top….
snippet from a search-engine result page.

Stefan Ram:
> Snippet from a search-engine result page:

Translation: "I'm taking the trouble to NOT cite my sources".

Knock it off, Stefan! You're smarter than that.
--
Mark Brader | "In a perfect world, the person of authority responds
Toronto | to needs rather than to demands. That's not the way
msb@vex.net | the system works, though." --Tony Cooper

On 28-May-22 6:47, Mark Brader wrote:
> "Larry":
>> Additionally, to differentiate provincial and federal members, an MP is
>> a Member of Parliament (federal), while an MLA is a Member of the
>> Legislative Assembly (provincial)
>
> In most provinces. Ontario has MPPs (Members of Provincial Parliament).
> The legislature or provincial parliament itself is usually just referred
> to as "Queen's Park".

From a BrE point of view, "Queen's Park" forces the reader to mentally
append "Rangers".

--
Sam Plusnet

On 28/05/2022 21:36, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 28-May-22 6:47, Mark Brader wrote:
>> "Larry":
>>> Additionally, to differentiate provincial and federal members, an MP is
>>> a Member of Parliament (federal), while an MLA is a Member of the
>>> Legislative Assembly (provincial)
>>
>> In most provinces.  Ontario has MPPs (Members of Provincial Parliament).
>> The legislature or provincial parliament itself is usually just referred
>> to as "Queen's Park".
>
> From a BrE point of view, "Queen's Park" forces the reader to mentally
> append "Rangers".
>
Unless you're Scottish.

--
Ray
UK

On 28/05/2022 9:58 pm, musika wrote:
> On 28/05/2022 21:36, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 28-May-22 6:47, Mark Brader wrote:
>>> "Larry":
>>>> Additionally, to differentiate provincial and federal
>>>> members, an MP is
>>>> a Member of Parliament (federal), while an MLA is a Member of
>>>> the
>>>> Legislative Assembly (provincial)
>>>
>>> In most provinces.  Ontario has MPPs (Members of Provincial
>>> Parliament).
>>> The legislature or provincial parliament itself is usually
>>> just referred
>>> to as "Queen's Park".
>>
>>  From a BrE point of view, "Queen's Park" forces the reader to
>> mentally append "Rangers".
>>
> Unless you're Scottish.

Or indeed from a number of places in the UK. There's a Queen's
Park in Northampton, for example. I associate it not with the
Rangers but with a car registration plate that I once saw there:
TCP1P.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

On 28-May-22 22:17, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 28/05/2022 9:58 pm, musika wrote:
>> On 28/05/2022 21:36, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 28-May-22 6:47, Mark Brader wrote:
>>>> "Larry":
>>>>> Additionally, to differentiate provincial and federal members, an
>>>>> MP is
>>>>> a Member of Parliament (federal), while an MLA is a Member of the
>>>>> Legislative Assembly (provincial)
>>>>
>>>> In most provinces.  Ontario has MPPs (Members of Provincial
>>>> Parliament).
>>>> The legislature or provincial parliament itself is usually just
>>>> referred
>>>> to as "Queen's Park".
>>>
>>>  From a BrE point of view, "Queen's Park" forces the reader to
>>> mentally append "Rangers".
>>>
>> Unless you're Scottish.
>
> Or indeed from a number of places in the UK. There's a Queen's Park in
> Northampton, for example. I associate it not with the Rangers but with a
> car registration plate that I once saw there: TCP1P.
>
OK. The full version would be "Queen's Park Rangers Nil".

--
Sam Plusnet

On Sat, 28 May 2022, at 21:36:16, Sam Plusnet posted:
>On 28-May-22 6:47, Mark Brader wrote:
>> "Larry":
>>> Additionally, to differentiate provincial and federal members, an MP is
>>> a Member of Parliament (federal), while an MLA is a Member of the
>>> Legislative Assembly (provincial)
>> In most provinces. Ontario has MPPs (Members of Provincial
>>Parliament).
>> The legislature or provincial parliament itself is usually just referred
>> to as "Queen's Park".
>
>From a BrE point of view, "Queen's Park" forces the reader to mentally
>append "Rangers".
>
That's English. In Scotland, Queen's Park was the last amateur football
club to win the Scottish FA Cup (I think).

Oh, just seen Ray's post. More detail here (correct detail or not).
--
Paul

On 2022-05-28, Sam Plusnet wrote:

> On 28-May-22 6:47, Mark Brader wrote:
>> "Larry":
>>> Additionally, to differentiate provincial and federal members, an MP is
>>> a Member of Parliament (federal), while an MLA is a Member of the
>>> Legislative Assembly (provincial)
>>
>> In most provinces. Ontario has MPPs (Members of Provincial Parliament).
>> The legislature or provincial parliament itself is usually just referred
>> to as "Queen's Park".
>
> From a BrE point of view, "Queen's Park" forces the reader to mentally
> append "Rangers".

Queen's Park in Chesterfield is one of Derbyshire CCC's grounds (the
main one is in Derby).

--
So you say I got a funny face
I ain't got no worries
And I don't know why
And I don't know why

I imagine MAD Magazine is now available at archive.org in multiple
scans. Over 1500 uploads under
https://archive.org/search.php?query=Mad%20Magazine

Unfortunately I find archive.org OCR is not very helpful. (There was an
opportunity to do it right in the first decade but those involved had
other problems) usually the pdfs scans are huge. There is an immense
amout of smut: all the smut from from the 20th century is downloadble
but at huge costs: 800M pdfs not worth it.

The 1952-2018 mad bundle is a 15.7G download
https://archive.org/download/mad-magazine-1952-2018-issue-01-550_20210811

On Mon, 30 May 2022 22:34:52 +0530, Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:

>I imagine MAD Magazine is now available at archive.org in multiple
>scans. Over 1500 uploads under
>https://archive.org/search.php?query=Mad%20Magazine

Speaking of MAD Magazine, am I the only one who thought George W. Bush
looked like Alfred E. Neuman?

On Mon, 30 May 2022 22:34:52 +0530, Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:

>
>I imagine MAD Magazine is now available at archive.org in multiple
>scans. Over 1500 uploads under
>https://archive.org/search.php?query=Mad%20Magazine
>
>Unfortunately I find archive.org OCR is not very helpful. (There was an
>opportunity to do it right in the first decade but those involved had
>other problems) usually the pdfs scans are huge. There is an immense
>amout of smut: all the smut from from the 20th century is downloadble
>but at huge costs: 800M pdfs not worth it.
>
>The 1952-2018 mad bundle is a 15.7G download
>https://archive.org/download/mad-magazine-1952-2018-issue-01-550_20210811

I sometimes took one of my children along on business trips to NYC. On
one, I took my son along, and we went to MAD's office. Bill Gaines
gave us a tour, but it wasn't much of tour. None of the writers or
artists worked in the office. They sent their work in. Other than
Gaines, the only people in the office were clerical types. There were
a number of Don Martin's current strips pinned to the walls.

That trip was before mobile phones with cameras. I wish that I had
brought a camera in and taken a photo of Gaines behind his huge desk
with several model airships and dirigibles hanging from the ceiling.
He sat there and chatted with us for quite some time. Very gracious,
and sent my son home with a bundle of his magazines.

I had written MAD before the trip and asked if we could visit the
office and received a reply with an appointment time.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:

> I imagine MAD Magazine is now available at archive.org in multiple
> scans. Over 1500 uploads under
> https://archive.org/search.php?query=Mad%20Magazine
>
> Unfortunately I find archive.org OCR is not very helpful. (There was an
> opportunity to do it right in the first decade but those involved had
> other problems) usually the pdfs scans are huge.

Huh? Those scans are poor quality, because far too small.
Nowadays one would take ten times as much, at least.

> There is an immense amout of smut: all the smut from from the 20th century
> is downloadble but at huge costs: 800M pdfs not worth it.

My my, how penny-pinching.
These days HD storage costs about two cents a gigabyte.

> The 1952-2018 mad bundle is a 15.7G download
> https://archive.org/download/mad-magazine-1952-2018-issue-01-550_20210811

That is excessive: about 60 cents worth of storage, including a BU.
I really couldn't afford to fork out that much,

Jan
(who certainly doesn't have the time
to look at it all)

On 2022-05-30 11:04, Madhu wrote:
>
> I imagine MAD Magazine is now available at archive.org in multiple
> scans. Over 1500 uploads under
> https://archive.org/search.php?query=Mad%20Magazine
>
> Unfortunately I find archive.org OCR is not very helpful. (There was an
> opportunity to do it right in the first decade but those involved had
> other problems) usually the pdfs scans are huge. There is an immense
> amout of smut: all the smut from from the 20th century is downloadble
> but at huge costs: 800M pdfs not worth it.
>
> The 1952-2018 mad bundle is a 15.7G download
> https://archive.org/download/mad-magazine-1952-2018-issue-01-550_20210811

Thanks! Never thought
to look there.

--
What was the greatest thing before sliced bread?

On 2022-05-30 13:31, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> My my, how penny-pinching.
> These days HD storage costs about two cents a gigabyte.

I often think about the first computer I built. It had 1KB of memory,
and the memory alone cost me $85 Cdn.

It's a good thing that the price per byte did not remain the same.

--
Unix is user friendly. It's just very particular who its friends are.

lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

> On 2022-05-30 13:31, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
> > My my, how penny-pinching.
> > These days HD storage costs about two cents a gigabyte.
>
> I often think about the first computer I built. It had 1KB of memory,
> and the memory alone cost me $85 Cdn.
>
> It's a good thing that the price per byte did not remain the same.

Or the size of a byte,

Jan

On 2022-05-30, Tony Cooper wrote:

> On Mon, 30 May 2022 22:34:52 +0530, Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>I imagine MAD Magazine is now available at archive.org in multiple
>>scans. Over 1500 uploads under
>>https://archive.org/search.php?query=Mad%20Magazine
>>
>>Unfortunately I find archive.org OCR is not very helpful. (There was an
>>opportunity to do it right in the first decade but those involved had
>>other problems) usually the pdfs scans are huge. There is an immense
>>amout of smut: all the smut from from the 20th century is downloadble
>>but at huge costs: 800M pdfs not worth it.
>>
>>The 1952-2018 mad bundle is a 15.7G download
>>https://archive.org/download/mad-magazine-1952-2018-issue-01-550_20210811
>
> I sometimes took one of my children along on business trips to NYC. On
> one, I took my son along, and we went to MAD's office. Bill Gaines
> gave us a tour, but it wasn't much of tour. None of the writers or
> artists worked in the office. They sent their work in. Other than
> Gaines, the only people in the office were clerical types. There were
> a number of Don Martin's current strips pinned to the walls.
>
> That trip was before mobile phones with cameras. I wish that I had
> brought a camera in and taken a photo of Gaines behind his huge desk
> with several model airships and dirigibles hanging from the ceiling.
> He sat there and chatted with us for quite some time. Very gracious,
> and sent my son home with a bundle of his magazines.

Nice!

> I had written MAD before the trip and asked if we could visit the
> office and received a reply with an appointment time.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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We'll tell you anything you want to hear, we lie like hell.
--Howard Beale