On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

>John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>
>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>
>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>
>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>> and most of another for me.
>>
>
>Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.

A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
Education was based on your active duty time.
I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
because I had the one third down.
I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
connected ailments and retired.

<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>
>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>> and most of another for me.
>>>
>>
>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>
> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
> Education was based on your active duty time.
> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
> because I had the one third down.
> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
> connected ailments and retired.
>

I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
Pueblo was seized.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

><gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>
>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>> because I had the one third down.
>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>> connected ailments and retired.
>>
>
>I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>Pueblo was seized.

Did you run out of toilets to clean?

Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>>
>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>>> because I had the one third down.
>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>>> connected ailments and retired.
>>>
>>
>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>> Pueblo was seized.
>
> Did you run out of toilets to clean?
>

That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.

On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
> > <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
> >>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
> >>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> >>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
> >>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
> >>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
> >>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
> >>>>>>>>>> loans.
> >>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
> >>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
> >>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
> >>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
> >>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
> >>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
> >>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
> >>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
> >>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
> >>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
> >>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
> >>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
> >>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
> >>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
> >>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
> >>>>> and most of another for me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
> >>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
> >>>
> >>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
> >>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
> >>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
> >>> Education was based on your active duty time.
> >>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
> >>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college..
> >>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
> >>> because I had the one third down.
> >>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
> >>> connected ailments and retired.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
> >> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
> >> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
> >> Pueblo was seized.
> >
> > Did you run out of toilets to clean?
> >
> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.

Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
You certainly are living proof of that.

True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
>>>>>>>>>>> education.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>>>>> because I had the one third down.
>>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>>>>> connected ailments and retired.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>>>> Pueblo was seized.
>>>
>>> Did you run out of toilets to clean?
>>>
>> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
>> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
>
>
> Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
> You certainly are living proof of that.
>

Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in
the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten
a degree that let you have a decent career.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

><gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>
>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>> because I had the one third down.
>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>> connected ailments and retired.
>>
>
>I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>Pueblo was seized.

I ended up being extended 11 days after my 12 months. I was never sure
why. It gave me the same VA benefits a 2 year person got, for a while.
Then later when I looked they trimmed that all back. I didn't really
care. There wasn't much I needed from them. IBM had 100% tuition
refund but I found out right away, it was not going to mean more money
in my salary and I was already spending 4-5 months a year in school.
We did have one guy who got into that Pentagon U thing where they had
accelerated degrees for DoD folks and he ended up with a masters
before it was all over. IBM said "so what"? "We hired you to be a CE.
Can you fix machines better now"? They were not interested in making
him a manager.
He ended up quitting. I never heard what happened to him after that
but I knew going to college wasn't going to help me any. I didn't want
to be a manager and if I did, I could get the job without a degree. By
the time I moved to Florida I had already done some of the jobs that
were precursors to management and I didn't like them.

On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> >> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
> >>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
> >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
> >>>>>>>>>>>> loans.
> >>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
> >>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
> >>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
> >>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
> >>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
> >>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
> >>>>>>>>>>> education.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
> >>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
> >>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
> >>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
> >>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
> >>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
> >>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
> >>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
> >>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
> >>>>>>> and most of another for me.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
> >>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
> >>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
> >>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
> >>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
> >>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
> >>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
> >>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
> >>>>> because I had the one third down.
> >>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
> >>>>> connected ailments and retired.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
> >>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
> >>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
> >>>> Pueblo was seized.
> >>>
> >>> Did you run out of toilets to clean?
> >>>
> >> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
> >> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
> >
> >
> > Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
> > You certainly are living proof of that.
> >
> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in
> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten
> a degree that let you have a decent career.

Say what... I think you mean too not "to".

True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>>>> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> education.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>>>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>>>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>>>>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>>>>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>>>>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>>>>>>> because I had the one third down.
>>>>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>>>>>> Pueblo was seized.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you run out of toilets to clean?
>>>>>
>>>> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
>>>> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
>>> You certainly are living proof of that.
>>>
>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in
>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
>> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
>> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
>> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
>> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten
>> a degree that let you have a decent career.
>
>
>
> Say what... I think you mean too not "to".
>

Yes, you two, too, to could have improved your career.

Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com>
>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>>>>> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> education.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>>>>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>>>>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>>>>>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>>>>>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>>>>>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>>>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>>>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>>>>>>>> because I had the one third down.
>>>>>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>>>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>>>>>>> Pueblo was seized.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you run out of toilets to clean?
>>>>>>
>>>>> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
>>>>> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
>>>> You certainly are living proof of that.
>>>>
>>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
>>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
>>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
>>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in
>>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
>>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
>>> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
>>> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
>>> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
>>> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten
>>> a degree that let you have a decent career.
>>
>>

I wanted to be an engineer designing as opposed to fixing. Definitely was
not the manager type, more hands on. In high school I figured to be a
mechanical engineer or a geologist. Actually went to work for NCR when
19, to get money to go to university. Was going to go to UC Berkeley, but
not set up for working students. Probably could have got some priority as
my dad worked for UC as a machinist, later management.

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:36:26 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

>Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com>
>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>>>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>>>>>> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> education.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>>>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>>>>>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>>>>>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>>>>>>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>>>>>>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>>>>>>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>>>>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>>>>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>>>>>>>>> because I had the one third down.
>>>>>>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>>>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>>>>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>>>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>>>>>>>> Pueblo was seized.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you run out of toilets to clean?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
>>>>>> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
>>>>> You certainly are living proof of that.
>>>>>
>>>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
>>>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
>>>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
>>>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in
>>>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
>>>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
>>>> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
>>>> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
>>>> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
>>>> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten
>>>> a degree that let you have a decent career.
>>>
>>>
>
>I wanted to be an engineer designing as opposed to fixing. Definitely was
>not the manager type, more hands on. In high school I figured to be a
>mechanical engineer or a geologist. Actually went to work for NCR when
>19, to get money to go to university. Was going to go to UC Berkeley, but
>not set up for working students. Probably could have got some priority as
>my dad worked for UC as a machinist, later management.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> >> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>> >>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>> >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>> >>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>> >>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>> >>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>> >>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>> >>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
>> >>>>>>>>>>> education.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>> >>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>> >>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>> >>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>> >>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>> >>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>> >>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>> >>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>> >>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>> >>>>>>> and most of another for me.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>> >>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>> >>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>> >>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>> >>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>> >>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>> >>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>> >>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>> >>>>> because I had the one third down.
>> >>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>> >>>>> connected ailments and retired.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>> >>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>> >>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>> >>>> Pueblo was seized.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did you run out of toilets to clean?
>> >>>
>> >> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
>> >> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
>> >
>> >
>> > Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
>> > You certainly are living proof of that.
>> >
>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in
>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
>> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
>> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
>> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
>> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten
>> a degree that let you have a decent career.
>
>
>
>Say what... I think you mean too not "to".

And how many toilet lids smacked you in the head, Donnie?

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> >> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>> >>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>> >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>> >>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>> >>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>> >>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>> >>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>> >>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
>> >>>>>>>>>>> education.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>> >>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>> >>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>> >>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>> >>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>> >>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>> >>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>> >>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>> >>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>> >>>>>>> and most of another for me.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>> >>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>> >>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>> >>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>> >>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>> >>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>> >>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>> >>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>> >>>>> because I had the one third down.
>> >>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>> >>>>> connected ailments and retired.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>> >>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>> >>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>> >>>> Pueblo was seized.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did you run out of toilets to clean?
>> >>>
>> >> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
>> >> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
>> >
>> >
>> > Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
>> > You certainly are living proof of that.
>> >
>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in
>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
>> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
>> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
>> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
>> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten
>> a degree that let you have a decent career.
>
>
>
>Say what... I think you mean too not "to".

Punctuate much, Donnie?

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:07:56 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>><gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>>
>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>>> because I had the one third down.
>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>>> connected ailments and retired.
>>>
>>
>>I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>>I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>>before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>>Pueblo was seized.
>
>I ended up being extended 11 days after my 12 months. I was never sure
>why. It gave me the same VA benefits a 2 year person got, for a while.
>Then later when I looked they trimmed that all back. I didn't really
>care. There wasn't much I needed from them. IBM had 100% tuition
>refund but I found out right away, it was not going to mean more money
>in my salary and I was already spending 4-5 months a year in school.
>We did have one guy who got into that Pentagon U thing where they had
>accelerated degrees for DoD folks and he ended up with a masters
>before it was all over. IBM said "so what"? "We hired you to be a CE.
>Can you fix machines better now"? They were not interested in making
>him a manager.
>He ended up quitting. I never heard what happened to him after that
>but I knew going to college wasn't going to help me any. I didn't want
>to be a manager and if I did, I could get the job without a degree. By
>the time I moved to Florida I had already done some of the jobs that
>were precursors to management and I didn't like them.

My first masters helped my Army career, and I needed most of a second
to become a teacher. Sometimes those degrees help a bit.

John H <jherring@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: >> >> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >> >>>>>>>>>>>> loans. >> >>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We >> >>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >> >>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >> >>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >> >>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >> >>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their >> >>>>>>>>>>> education. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >> >>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >> >>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >> >>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to >> >>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >> >>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >> >>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >> >>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took >> >>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >> >>>>>>> and most of another for me. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Was a r
eservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >> >>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit >> >>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking. >> >>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days). >> >>>>> Education was based on your active duty time. >> >>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >> >>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >> >>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >> >>>>> because I had the one third down. >> >>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >> >>>>> connected ailments and retired. >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >> >>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >> >>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >> >>>> Pueblo was seized. >> >>> >> >>> Did you run out of toilets to clean? >> >>> >> >> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run y
our microwave >> >> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain. >> > >> > >> > Nor did standing close to an operating radar array. >> > You certainly are living proof of that. >> >>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars. >> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and >> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got >> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes >> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much >> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were >> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters. >> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >> a degree that let you have a decent career.>>>>Say what... I think you mean too not "to".And how many toilet lids smacked you in the head, Donnie?

If only soft close toilet lids were purchased by Donnie's
monarchy, for public and government toilets, Donnie's head
injuries would have been minimized. I wonder if "The Crown" gave
him hazzardous duty pay.

i
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John H <jherring@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: >> >> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >> >>>>>>>>>>>> loans. >> >>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We >> >>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >> >>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >> >>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >> >>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >> >>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their >> >>>>>>>>>>> education. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >> >>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >> >>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >> >>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to >> >>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >> >>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >> >>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >> >>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took >> >>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >> >>>>>>> and most of another for me. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Was a r
eservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >> >>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit >> >>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking. >> >>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days). >> >>>>> Education was based on your active duty time. >> >>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >> >>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >> >>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >> >>>>> because I had the one third down. >> >>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >> >>>>> connected ailments and retired. >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >> >>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >> >>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >> >>>> Pueblo was seized. >> >>> >> >>> Did you run out of toilets to clean? >> >>> >> >> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run y
our microwave >> >> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain. >> > >> > >> > Nor did standing close to an operating radar array. >> > You certainly are living proof of that. >> >>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars. >> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and >> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got >> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes >> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much >> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were >> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters. >> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >> a degree that let you have a decent career.>>>>Say what... I think you mean too not "to".Punctuate much, Donnie?

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> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:36:26 -0000 (UTC), Bill<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com>>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>>>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: >>>>>> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loan
s Canceled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students rac
king up debt with no thought given to future value of their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> education. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >>>>>>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >>>>>>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>>>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took >>>>>>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why didn't you get s
ome VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >>>>>>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit >>>>>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking. >>>>>>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days). >>>>>>>>> Education was based on your active duty time. >>>>>>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >>>>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >>>>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >>>>>>>>> because I had the one third down. >>>>>>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >>>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>>>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >>>>>
>>> Pueblo was seized. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you run out of toilets to clean? >>>>>>> >>>>>> That?s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave >>>>>> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nor did standing close to an operating radar array. >>>>> You certainly are living proof of that. >>>>> >>>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars. >>>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and >>>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >>>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >>>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got >>>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes >>>> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much >>>> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were >>>> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters. >>>> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >>>> a degree that let you have a decent career.>>> >>> >>I wanted to be an engin
eer designing as opposed to fixing. Definitely was>not the manager type, more hands on. In high school I figured to be a>mechanical engineer or a geologist. Actually went to work for NCR when>19, to get money to go to university. Was going to go to UC Berkeley, but>not set up for working students. Probably could have got some priority as>my dad worked for UC as a machinist, later management.For the last 2/3ds of my career I was doing more "fixing the process"than fixing machines. The machine part was just muscle memory for us.I got to do all the designing I wanted to do, creating an environmentwhere we didn't work very hard and we had great numbers so they leftus alone. I was very lucky to have a good team both in Ft Myers and on3d shift in DC. Nobody else could make our processes work so theystopped asking what we were doing. I also did all the design work here at the house. (Addition, pool, 2baths, kitchen, a shit load of Tiki Bars according to Harry and the EdLabrador Memorial bridge). Nothing fell down yet and I didn't spend four years having someonetell me I could do it. I just did.

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> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:07:56 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:>On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>>><gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>>> >>>> John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill>>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> >>>>>> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:>>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022>>>>>>>>>>> -->>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student>>>>>>>>>> loans.>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.>>>>>>> I went ... for many yea
rs ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.>>>>> >>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's>>>>> and most of another for me.>>>>> >>>> >>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.>>> >>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).>>> Education was based on your active duty time.>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector>>> because I had the one third dow
n. >>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service>>> connected ailments and retired. >>> >>>>I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days>>before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the>>Pueblo was seized.>>I ended up being extended 11 days after my 12 months. I was never sure>why. It gave me the same VA benefits a 2 year person got, for a while.>Then later when I looked they trimmed that all back. I didn't really>care. There wasn't much I needed from them. IBM had 100% tuition>refund but I found out right away, it was not going to mean more money>in my salary and I was already spending 4-5 months a year in school. >We did have one guy who got into that Pentagon U thing where they had>accelerated degrees for DoD folks and he ended up with a masters>before it was all over. IBM said "so what"? "We hired you to be a CE.>Can you fix machines better now"? They were not interested in making>him a manager. >He ended up quitting. I never heard what happened to him after that>but I knew going to college wasn't going to help me any. I
didn't want>to be a manager and if I did, I could get the job without a degree. By>the time I moved to Florida I had already done some of the jobs that>were precursors to management and I didn't like them. My first masters helped my Army career, and I needed most of a secondto become a teacher. Sometimes those degrees help a bit.

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> John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
> > On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:>On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: >> >> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >> >>>>>>>>>>>> loans. >> >>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We >> >>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >> >>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >> >>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >> >>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >> >>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their >> >>>>>>>>>>> education. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >> >>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >> >>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >> >>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to >> >>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >> >>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >> >>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >> >>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took >> >>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >> >>>>>>> and most of another for me. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >> >>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit >> >>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking. >> >>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days). >> >>>>> Education was based on your active duty time. >> >>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >> >>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >> >>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >> >>>>> because I had the one third down. >> >>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >> >>>>> connected ailments and retired. >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >> >>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >> >>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >> >>>> Pueblo was seized. >> >>> >> >>> Did you run out of toilets to clean? >> >>> >> >> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave >> >> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain. >> > >> > >> > Nor did standing close to an operating radar array. >> > You certainly are living proof of that. >> >>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars. >> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and >> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got >> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes >> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much >> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were >> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters. >> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >> a degree that let you have a decent career.>>>>Say what... I think you mean too not "to".And how many toilet lids smacked you in the head, Donnie?
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Don't worry about me Justine, I'm right as rain.
Worry about your head turd The John and that sad case out in Kalifornia.
They have an odd habit of throwing themselves off ladders and roofs onto their soft heads.

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> On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 09:22:09 UTC-4, justan wrote:> John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:>On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: >> >> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AO
C: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >> >>>>>>>>>>>> loans. >> >>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We >> >>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >> >>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >> >>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >> >>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >> >>>>>>>>>>> students
racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their >> >>>>>>>>>>> education. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >> >>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >> >>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >> >>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to >> >>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >> >>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >> >>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >> >>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took >> >>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help
? They paid for one master's >> >>>>>>> and most of another for me. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >> >>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit >> >>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking. >> >>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days). >> >>>>> Education was based on your active duty time. >> >>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >> >>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >> >>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >> >>>>> because I had the one third down. >> >>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >> >>>>> connected ailments and retired. >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >> >>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >> >>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >> >>>> Pueblo was seized. >> >>> >> >>> Did
you run out of toilets to clean? >> >>> >> >> That?s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave >> >> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain. >> > >> > >> > Nor did standing close to an operating radar array. >> > You certainly are living proof of that. >> >>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars. >> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and >> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got >> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes >> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much >> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were >> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters. >> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >> a degree that let you have a decent career.>>>>Say what... I think you mean too not "to".And how many toilet lids smacked you in the head, Donnie? > >
If only soft close toilet lids were purchased by Donnie's > monarchy, for public and government toilets, Donnie's head > injuries would have been minimized. I wonder if "The Crown" gave > him hazzardous duty pay. > > > > > > > > i > -- > Thanks Donald. Do you miss him yet? > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlDon't worry about me Justine, I'm right as rain.Worry about your head turd The John and that sad case out in Kalifornia.They have an odd habit of throwing themselves off ladders and roofs onto their soft heads.

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> On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 09:22:09 UTC-4, justan wrote:> John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:>On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: >> >> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AO
C: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >> >>>>>>>>>>>> loans. >> >>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We >> >>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >> >>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >> >>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >> >>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >> >>>>>>>>>>> students
racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their >> >>>>>>>>>>> education. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >> >>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >> >>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >> >>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to >> >>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >> >>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >> >>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >> >>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took >> >>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help
? They paid for one master's >> >>>>>>> and most of another for me. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >> >>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit >> >>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking. >> >>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days). >> >>>>> Education was based on your active duty time. >> >>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >> >>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >> >>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >> >>>>> because I had the one third down. >> >>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >> >>>>> connected ailments and retired. >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >> >>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >> >>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >> >>>> Pueblo was seized. >> >>> >> >>> Did
you run out of toilets to clean? >> >>> >> >> That?s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave >> >> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain. >> > >> > >> > Nor did standing close to an operating radar array. >> > You certainly are living proof of that. >> >>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars. >> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and >> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got >> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes >> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much >> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were >> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters. >> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >> a degree that let you have a decent career.>>>>Say what... I think you mean too not "to".And how many toilet lids smacked you in the head, Donnie? > >
If only soft close toilet lids were purchased by Donnie's > monarchy, for public and government toilets, Donnie's head > injuries would have been minimized. I wonder if "The Crown" gave > him hazzardous duty pay. > > > > > > > > i > -- > Thanks Donald. Do you miss him yet? > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlDon't worry about me Justine, I'm right as rain.Worry about your head turd The John and that sad case out in Kalifornia.They have an odd habit of throwing themselves off ladders and roofs onto their soft heads.

Why should I worry about your health Donnie? Isn't it Trudoubts'
job to see to it that you get the finest socialized medical
care?
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 05:51:49 -0800 (PST), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 09:22:09 UTC-4, justan wrote:
>> John H <jher...@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
>> > On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North<prince...@gmail.com> wrote:>On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: >> >> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST),
>bruce bowser >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >> >>>>>>>>>>>> loans. >> >>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We >> >>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >> >>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on
>student loans but that has turned out to be a good >> >>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >> >>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >> >>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their >> >>>>>>>>>>> education. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >> >>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >> >>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >> >>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to >> >>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. >> >>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >> >>>>>>>>> via the GI
>Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >> >>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took >> >>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >> >>>>>>> and most of another for me. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >> >>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit >> >>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking. >> >>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days). >> >>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>>
>>>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >> >>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >> >>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >> >>>>> because I had the one third down. >> >>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >> >>>>> connected ailments and retired. >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >> >>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >> >>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >> >>>> Pueblo was seized. >> >>> >> >>> Did you run out of toilets to clean? >> >>> >> >> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave >> >> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain. >> > >> > >> > Nor did standing close to an operating radar array. >> > You certainly are living proof of
that.
>>> >>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars. >> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and >> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got >> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes >> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much >> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were >> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters. >> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >> a degree that let you have a decent career.>>>>Say what... I think you mean too not "to".And how many toilet lids smacked you in the head, Donnie?
>>
>> If only soft close toilet lids were purchased by Donnie's
>> monarchy, for public and government toilets, Donnie's head
>> injuries would have been minimized. I wonder if "The Crown" gave
>> him hazzardous duty pay.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> i
>> --
>> Thanks Donald. Do you miss him yet?
>>
>>
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>
>
>Don't worry about me Justine, I'm right as rain.
>Worry about your head turd The John and that sad case out in Kalifornia.
>They have an odd habit of throwing themselves off ladders and roofs onto their soft heads.

John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North
> <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>>>>> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> education.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>>>>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>>>>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>>>>>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>>>>>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>>>>>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>>>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>>>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>>>>>>>> because I had the one third down.
>>>>>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>>>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>>>>>>> Pueblo was seized.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you run out of toilets to clean?
>>>>>>
>>>>> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
>>>>> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
>>>> You certainly are living proof of that.
>>>>
>>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
>>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
>>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
>>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in
>>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
>>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
>>> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
>>> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
>>> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
>>> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten
>>> a degree that let you have a decent career.
>>
>>
>>
>> Say what... I think you mean too not "to".
>
> And how many toilet lids smacked you in the head, Donnie?
>

On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 16:35:43 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North
> > <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> >>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> >>>>> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
> >>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
> >>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
> >>>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loans.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> education.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs.. Articles last
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
> >>>>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
> >>>>>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
> >>>>>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
> >>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
> >>>>>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
> >>>>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
> >>>>>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
> >>>>>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
> >>>>>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
> >>>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
> >>>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
> >>>>>>>> because I had the one third down.
> >>>>>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
> >>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
> >>>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
> >>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
> >>>>>>> Pueblo was seized.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Did you run out of toilets to clean?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
> >>>>> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
> >>>> You certainly are living proof of that.
> >>>>
> >>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars..
> >>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
> >>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
> >>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in
> >>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
> >>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
> >>> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
> >>> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
> >>> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
> >>> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten
> >>> a degree that let you have a decent career.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Say what... I think you mean too not "to".
> >
> > And how many toilet lids smacked you in the head, Donnie?
> >
> Lol

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 07:19:15 -0500, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:07:56 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>><gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>>>
>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>>>> because I had the one third down.
>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>>>> connected ailments and retired.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>>>I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>>>before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>>>Pueblo was seized.
>>
>>I ended up being extended 11 days after my 12 months. I was never sure
>>why. It gave me the same VA benefits a 2 year person got, for a while.
>>Then later when I looked they trimmed that all back. I didn't really
>>care. There wasn't much I needed from them. IBM had 100% tuition
>>refund but I found out right away, it was not going to mean more money
>>in my salary and I was already spending 4-5 months a year in school.
>>We did have one guy who got into that Pentagon U thing where they had
>>accelerated degrees for DoD folks and he ended up with a masters
>>before it was all over. IBM said "so what"? "We hired you to be a CE.
>>Can you fix machines better now"? They were not interested in making
>>him a manager.
>>He ended up quitting. I never heard what happened to him after that
>>but I knew going to college wasn't going to help me any. I didn't want
>>to be a manager and if I did, I could get the job without a degree. By
>>the time I moved to Florida I had already done some of the jobs that
>>were precursors to management and I didn't like them.
>
>My first masters helped my Army career, and I needed most of a second
>to become a teacher. Sometimes those degrees help a bit.

I suppose it all depends on what you want to do.