On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 08:27:33 -0500 (EST), justan <me@here.com> wrote:

>gfretwell@aol.com Wrote in message:r
>> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:36:26 -0000 (UTC), Bill<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com>>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:>>>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: >>>>>> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill >>>>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H
>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> education. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last >>>>>>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover >>>>>>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go
>to school. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help >>>>>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance >>>>>>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took >>>>>>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's >>>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but >>>>>>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit >>>>>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971
>when I was looking. >>>>>>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days). >>>>>>>>> Education was based on your active duty time. >>>>>>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV >>>>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. >>>>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector >>>>>>>>> because I had the one third down. >>>>>>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service >>>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. >>>>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days >>>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the >>>>>>>> Pueblo was seized. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you run out of toilets to clean? >>>>>>> >>>>>> That?s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave >>>>>> oven with the
>door open. Did not do good things for your brain. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nor did standing close to an operating radar array. >>>>> You certainly are living proof of that. >>>>> >>>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars. >>>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and >>>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate >>>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in >>>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got >>>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes >>>> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much >>>> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were >>>> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters. >>>> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten >>>> a degree that let you have a decent career.>>> >>> >>I
wanted
>to be an engineer designing as opposed to fixing. Definitely was>not the manager type, more hands on. In high school I figured to be a>mechanical engineer or a geologist. Actually went to work for NCR when>19, to get money to go to university. Was going to go to UC Berkeley, but>not set up for working students. Probably could have got some priority as>my dad worked for UC as a machinist, later management.For the last 2/3ds of my career I was doing more "fixing the process"than fixing machines. The machine part was just muscle memory for us.I got to do all the designing I wanted to do, creating an environmentwhere we didn't work very hard and we had great numbers so they leftus alone. I was very lucky to have a good team both in Ft Myers and on3d shift in DC. Nobody else could make our processes work so theystopped asking what we were doing. I also did all the design work here at the house. (Addition, pool, 2baths, kitchen, a shit load of Tiki Bars according to Harry and the
>EdLabrador Memorial bridge). Nothing fell down yet and I didn't spend four years having someonetell me I could do it. I just did.
>
>No permits for any of that?

True North wrote:
> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>>>> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> education.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>>>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>>>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>>>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>>>>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>>>>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>>>>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>>>>>>> because I had the one third down.
>>>>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>>>>>> Pueblo was seized.
>>>>> Did you run out of toilets to clean?
>>>>>
>>>> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
>>>> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
>>>
>>> Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
>>> You certainly are living proof of that.
>>>
>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in
>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
>> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
>> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
>> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
>> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten
>> a degree that let you have a decent career.
>
>
> Say what... I think you mean too not "to".

Still a moron.  "Say what" is a lame way to format a question. Where's
the "?", imbecile?

True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 16:35:43 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North
>>> <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>>>>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> education.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>>>>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>>>>>>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>>>>>>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>>>>>>>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>>>>>>>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>>>>>>>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>>>>>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>>>>>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>>>>>>>>>> because I had the one third down.
>>>>>>>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>>>>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>>>>>>>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>>>>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>>>>>>>>> Pueblo was seized.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you run out of toilets to clean?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
>>>>>>> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nor did standing close to an operating radar array.
>>>>>> You certainly are living proof of that.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars.
>>>>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and
>>>>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate
>>>>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in
>>>>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got
>>>>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes
>>>>> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much
>>>>> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were
>>>>> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars of fighters.
>>>>> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten
>>>>> a degree that let you have a decent career.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Say what... I think you mean too not "to".
>>>
>>> And how many toilet lids smacked you in the head, Donnie?
>>>
>> Lol
>
>
>
> You like that toilet humour Swill?
> No wonder you talk like your mouth is full of crap.
>

True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 16:35:43 UTC-4, Bill wrote:> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:09:15 -0800 (PST), True North > > <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:42:34 UTC-4, Bill wrote: > >>> True North <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 21:05:11 UTC-4, Bill wrote: > >>>>> Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote: > >>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill > >>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill > >>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> John H <jher...@cox.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill > >>>>>>>>>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com>
wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they reimbursed the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, Wayne? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loans. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> education. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last > >>>>>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and > >>>>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover > >>>>>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school. > >>>>>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help > >>>>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance > >>>>>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and to
ok > >>>>>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's > >>>>>>>>>> and most of another for me. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but > >>>>>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit > >>>>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking. > >>>>>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days). > >>>>>>>> Education was based on your active duty time. > >>>>>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV > >>>>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college. > >>>>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector > >>>>>>>> because I had the one third down. > >>>>>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service > >>>>>>>> connected ailments and retired. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active. > >>>>>>> I misse
d that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days > >>>>>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the > >>>>>>> Pueblo was seized. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Did you run out of toilets to clean? > >>>>>> > >>>>> That?s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave > >>>>> oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Nor did standing close to an operating radar array. > >>>> You certainly are living proof of that. > >>>> > >>> Actually the antenna was on the roof of the building. Airborne radars. > >>> We were nowhere near the antenna. We just hooked up the waveguide and > >>> looked at the return picture on the scope. We knew the radar was accurate > >>> when we got the return from Mt. Diablo and the iron bridge at Rio Vista in > >>> the correct place. I never got hit with the radar beam, but a couple got > >>> hit in the hand for the waveguide connection. Bad wound as it takes > >>> forever to heal from being cooked internally. Ground radars were much > >>> more dangerous. Most of ours were 50Kw at a 2% duty cycle. Were > >>> transport airplanes, not the high power targeting radars o
f fighters. > >>> Maybe you should have stood closer, as then you to could have maybe gotten > >>> a degree that let you have a decent career. > >> > >> > >> > >> Say what... I think you mean too not "to". > > > > And how many toilet lids smacked you in the head, Donnie? > >> LolYou like that toilet humour Swill?No wonder you talk like your mouth is full of crap.

On 2/21/2022 4:47 PM, John H wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>> -- https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>
> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
> loans.

Please do, I'd like my $300,000 deposited in my Vanguard account.

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On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 01:05:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>>>
>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>>>> because I had the one third down.
>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>>>> connected ailments and retired.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>>> I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>>> before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>>> Pueblo was seized.
>>
>> Did you run out of toilets to clean?
>>
>
>That’s True North. I fixed radars. You should not have run your microwave
>oven with the door open. Did not do good things for your brain.

Is that what happened to you? Poor little commie shit-for-brains..

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:07:56 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>><gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>>
>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>>> because I had the one third down.
>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>>> connected ailments and retired.
>>>
>>
>>I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>>I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>>before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>>Pueblo was seized.
>
>I ended up being extended 11 days after my 12 months. I was never sure
>why. It gave me the same VA benefits a 2 year person got, for a while.
>Then later when I looked they trimmed that all back. I didn't really
>care. There wasn't much I needed from them. IBM had 100% tuition
>refund but I found out right away, it was not going to mean more money
>in my salary and I was already spending 4-5 months a year in school.
>We did have one guy who got into that Pentagon U thing where they had
>accelerated degrees for DoD folks and he ended up with a masters
>before it was all over. IBM said "so what"? "We hired you to be a CE.
>Can you fix machines better now"? They were not interested in making
>him a manager.
>He ended up quitting. I never heard what happened to him after that
>but I knew going to college wasn't going to help me any. I didn't want
>to be a manager and if I did, I could get the job without a degree. By
>the time I moved to Florida I had already done some of the jobs that
>were precursors to management and I didn't like them.

I'm sure you were able to fix at least a couple of more shitters in 11
days... you've got some experience!

On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 16:47:02 -0800, Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:07:56 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>><gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>>>
>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>>>> because I had the one third down.
>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>>>> connected ailments and retired.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>>>I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>>>before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>>>Pueblo was seized.
>>
>>I ended up being extended 11 days after my 12 months. I was never sure
>>why. It gave me the same VA benefits a 2 year person got, for a while.
>>Then later when I looked they trimmed that all back. I didn't really
>>care. There wasn't much I needed from them. IBM had 100% tuition
>>refund but I found out right away, it was not going to mean more money
>>in my salary and I was already spending 4-5 months a year in school.
>>We did have one guy who got into that Pentagon U thing where they had
>>accelerated degrees for DoD folks and he ended up with a masters
>>before it was all over. IBM said "so what"? "We hired you to be a CE.
>>Can you fix machines better now"? They were not interested in making
>>him a manager.
>>He ended up quitting. I never heard what happened to him after that
>>but I knew going to college wasn't going to help me any. I didn't want
>>to be a manager and if I did, I could get the job without a degree. By
>>the time I moved to Florida I had already done some of the jobs that
>>were precursors to management and I didn't like them.
>
>I'm sure you were able to fix at least a couple of more shitters in 11
>days... you've got some experience!

That wasn't one of Donnie's posts, dummy.

On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 19:31:02 -0500, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 16:47:02 -0800, Mr Robot <robot@mr_robot.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:07:56 -0500, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>><califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>><gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:47:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>>>>>>> <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <nothere@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:47 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:23:21 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
>>>>>>>>>>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC: Everyone Should Get Their Student Loans Canceled
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortune Magazine - Feb 16, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://fortune.com/education/business/articles/2022/02/16/aoc-everyone-should-get-their-student-loans-canceled-including-harvard-and-yale-grads/
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cancelling student debt wouldn't bother me if they reimbursed the
>>>>>>>>>>>> money the rest of us paid to the schools. Right, Wayne?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go along with cancelling or reducing the interest on student
>>>>>>>>>>>> loans.
>>>>>>>>>>> ==Both of my sons were in college at the same time at $40K/year each. We
>>>>>>>>>>> paid for most of it out of pocket so loan debt was never an issue but we
>>>>>>>>>>> definitely felt the cash pinch. They both put themselves through
>>>>>>>>>>> graduate school on student loans but that has turned out to be a good
>>>>>>>>>>> investment for them. They've repaid all of their grad school loans
>>>>>>>>>>> with no help from me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion the big problem with student loan debt stems from too many
>>>>>>>>>>> students racking up debt with no thought given to future value of their education.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also the fact we let them run up huge debt for low pay jobs. Articles last
>>>>>>>>>> year about some girl with $123k student debt. For an English degree and
>>>>>>>>>> masters. She never worked in college. Used the summers and any leftover
>>>>>>>>>> money to tour Europe to
>>>>>>>>>> ? broaden her education ?. And we let them do this, we are enablers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I never have understood the reliance on student debt to go to school.
>>>>>>>>> I went ... for many years ... on the "pay as you go plan." Got help
>>>>>>>>> via the GI Bill but it didn't pay for everything so I had to balance
>>>>>>>>> school costs with all my other financial responsibilities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Took a few years but accrued any outstanding education debt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NCR paid part of my tuition, but not books. So I worked full time and took
>>>>>>>> near 10 years to finish. Did have a couple breaks for military, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why didn't you get some VA GI Bill help? They paid for one master's
>>>>>>> and most of another for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was a reservist with 10 months active. Probably could have got some, but
>>>>>> most of mine was books cost as NCR paid 80% of tuition.
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot depends on what year we are talking about. VA benefit
>>>>> eligibility changed a lot since 1971 when I was looking.
>>>>> I had over 12 months continuous active (by 11 days).
>>>>> Education was based on your active duty time.
>>>>> I could get enough education to get a free Heathkit GR25 TV on a "TV
>>>>> repair and electronics" course but not a 2 year degree from a college.
>>>>> They did offer me a mortgage but I did as well in the private sector
>>>>> because I had the one third down.
>>>>> I was never offered medical. In fact in 71 that was just for service
>>>>> connected ailments and retired.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I finished Feb, 1971 with my 6 years. You needed the 12 months active.
>>>>I missed that by transferring from the 349 MAW at Hamilton AFB 5 days
>>>>before the general in charge volunteered the unit for,active duty when the
>>>>Pueblo was seized.
>>>
>>>I ended up being extended 11 days after my 12 months. I was never sure
>>>why. It gave me the same VA benefits a 2 year person got, for a while.
>>>Then later when I looked they trimmed that all back. I didn't really
>>>care. There wasn't much I needed from them. IBM had 100% tuition
>>>refund but I found out right away, it was not going to mean more money
>>>in my salary and I was already spending 4-5 months a year in school.
>>>We did have one guy who got into that Pentagon U thing where they had
>>>accelerated degrees for DoD folks and he ended up with a masters
>>>before it was all over. IBM said "so what"? "We hired you to be a CE.
>>>Can you fix machines better now"? They were not interested in making
>>>him a manager.
>>>He ended up quitting. I never heard what happened to him after that
>>>but I knew going to college wasn't going to help me any. I didn't want
>>>to be a manager and if I did, I could get the job without a degree. By
>>>the time I moved to Florida I had already done some of the jobs that
>>>were precursors to management and I didn't like them.
>>
>>I'm sure you were able to fix at least a couple of more shitters in 11
>>days... you've got some experience!
>
>That wasn't one of Donnie's posts, dummy.

Little Johnny..we don't care how many shitters you fixed.