Technobarbarian wrote:
>
> "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit people
> with mental health struggles"
>
>     Speaking of jokes. Even if they did this they don't have anywhere
> to put those people or staff to take care of them. The state's mental
> health system is already overloaded. No one has even looked at the
> price tag for this yet. Our judicial system is looking at the problem.
> They figure it will take two years to come up with an answer for the
> legal issues. I think that's probably very optimistic. They might have
> figured out an answer for the financial issues by than, but I doubt
> that too.
>
> "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit people
> with mental health struggles"
>
> "Oregon has long made it difficult to force people to get mental
> health treatment. But as homelessness worsens, there are growing calls
> to loosen those laws.
>
> Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler wants it to be easier to force people
> living on the streets into hospitals — even if they have not
> committed a crime.
>
> “When I see people walking through the elements without appropriate
> attire, often naked, they are freezing to death, they are exposed to
> the elements … I don’t even know if they know where they are or
> who they are,” Wheeler told a room full of business owners recently,
> “They need help and they need compassion.
>
> Wheeler’s comments came at a meeting to discuss crime in
> Portland’s Central Eastside. The mayor held the forum after the
> owner of Portland’s well-known ice cream brand Salt & Straw
> threatened to leave the city and amid his own effort to get tougher on
> public camping. He was asked directly at the forum whether he would
> support hospitalizing more people involuntarily.
>
> Wheeler prepped the audience, saying he would be “resoundingly
> excoriated” for his comments."”
>
> https://www.opb.org/article/2022/12/12/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-suggests-easing-process-involuntarily-commit-mentally-ill/
>
>
> "Oregon's process for forced mental health treatment could eventually
> see changes
>
> With rising pressure to improve care for people with mental illness
> who deny treatment, a mixed group of state leaders are looking at
> changing state laws.
>
> PORTLAND, Ore. — A group of Oregon leaders — from judges to
> doctors to mental health experts — are working to overhaul state
> standards for civil commitment and forced mental health care amid
> calls for change.
>
> The Oregon Judicial Department convened the group of 21 panelists,
> called the "Commitment to Change Workgroup." It started meeting this
> fall, and the panelists plan to meet each month for the next two years.
>
> https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/uncommitted-oregon-mental-illness-forced-care-changes/283-04d59004-91f3-45ba-901a-aad8c64a9762
>
>
>     Get a load of this list:
>
> Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
> PROGRAMS AND COMMITTEES
> Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
>
> The Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination Committee
> is hosted by the Oregon Judicial Department and brings together the
> leaders of multi-stakeholder committees, councils, and workgroups
> working on issues at the intersection of Oregon’s behavioral health
> and justice systems to ensure collaboration and consistency of
> statewide efforts.
>
>  Current Member Groups
> Visit our Member Group Page for more information on each group listed
> below.
>
> Senate Committee on Human Service, Mental Health and Recovery
> Senate Committee on Judiciary and Ballot Measure 110
> House Committee on Behavioral Health
> Governor’s Behavioral Health Committees
> Chief Justice’s Behavioral Health Advisory Committee
> IMPACTS Grant Program
> Legislative Workgroup to Decriminalize Mental Illness
> Legislative Workgroup on Ballot Measure 110
> Measure 110 Oversight and Accountability Council
> 988 Crisis Line Implementation Workgroup
> GAINS Regional Behavioral Health Resource Centers Workgroup
> SB 24 Implementation Workgroup
> Psychiatric Security Review Board Workgroup
> Oregon Center on Behavioral Health and Justice Integration Steering
> Committee
> Forensic Evaluation Certification Workgroup
> Behavioral Health Emergency Coordination Network (BHECN)
>
> https://www.courts.oregon.gov/programs/BHLeadership/Pages/default.aspx
>
> TB
>
Well, damn. With all those ballot measures, committees, workgroups,
and councils all laser-focused on 'doing something' - with no doubt
each bunch consisting of Experts in their fields - y'all should
literally have some efficacious solutions by the end of the week going
forward.

And so, look, in that context, I allege that I think I see a
broad-based windfall in y'all's future out there. Once the fascists
hidden among you get the legal authority to start involuntarily
committing people to 'health care facilities' for their own good, all
sorts of new opportunities will open up for lawyers, medical
professionals, health care specialists, social workers, building
construction workers, admin people, cooks, janitorial services,
plumbers, electricians, burly drivers to compassionately pluck 'em off
the streets, and who knows who else. You might even be able to cadge a
bunch of money from Build Back Better and not have to raise taxes (you
might also be able to divert some of that money to build that bridge).
You could also end up with the lowest unemployment in the whole nation.

And a word of unsolicited advice: When y'all start promoting all those
solutions that I'm confident that you'll develop, don't forget to
insert "humanitarian crisis" and "Number One Priority" in every
paragraph that can reasonably hold one or both. Lotta power and
inherent momentum in those phrases, you know.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

On 12/12/2022 9:16 PM, bfh wrote:
> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>
>> "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit people
>> with mental health struggles"
>>
>>      Speaking of jokes. Even if they did this they don't have anywhere
>> to put those people or staff to take care of them. The state's mental
>> health system is already overloaded. No one has even looked at the
>> price tag for this yet. Our judicial system is looking at the problem.
>> They figure it will take two years to come up with an answer for the
>> legal issues. I think that's probably very optimistic. They might have
>> figured out an answer for the financial issues by than, but I doubt
>> that too.
>>
>> "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit people
>> with mental health struggles"
>>
>> "Oregon has long made it difficult to force people to get mental
>> health treatment. But as homelessness worsens, there are growing calls
>> to loosen those laws.
>>
>> Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler wants it to be easier to force people
>> living on the streets into hospitals — even if they have not
>> committed a crime.
>>
>> “When I see people walking through the elements without appropriate
>> attire, often naked, they are freezing to death, they are exposed to
>> the elements … I don’t even know if they know where they are or
>> who they are,” Wheeler told a room full of business owners recently,
>> “They need help and they need compassion.
>>
>> Wheeler’s comments came at a meeting to discuss crime in
>> Portland’s Central Eastside. The mayor held the forum after the
>> owner of Portland’s well-known ice cream brand Salt & Straw
>> threatened to leave the city and amid his own effort to get tougher on
>> public camping. He was asked directly at the forum whether he would
>> support hospitalizing more people involuntarily.
>>
>> Wheeler prepped the audience, saying he would be “resoundingly
>> excoriated” for his comments."”
>>
>> https://www.opb.org/article/2022/12/12/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-suggests-easing-process-involuntarily-commit-mentally-ill/
>>
>> "Oregon's process for forced mental health treatment could eventually
>> see changes
>>
>> With rising pressure to improve care for people with mental illness
>> who deny treatment, a mixed group of state leaders are looking at
>> changing state laws.
>>
>> PORTLAND, Ore. — A group of Oregon leaders — from judges to
>> doctors to mental health experts — are working to overhaul state
>> standards for civil commitment and forced mental health care amid
>> calls for change.
>>
>> The Oregon Judicial Department convened the group of 21 panelists,
>> called the "Commitment to Change Workgroup." It started meeting this
>> fall, and the panelists plan to meet each month for the next two years.
>>
>> https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/uncommitted-oregon-mental-illness-forced-care-changes/283-04d59004-91f3-45ba-901a-aad8c64a9762
>>
>>      Get a load of this list:
>>
>> Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
>> PROGRAMS AND COMMITTEES
>> Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
>>
>> The Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination Committee
>> is hosted by the Oregon Judicial Department and brings together the
>> leaders of multi-stakeholder committees, councils, and workgroups
>> working on issues at the intersection of Oregon’s behavioral health
>> and justice systems to ensure collaboration and consistency of
>> statewide efforts.
>>
>>   Current Member Groups
>> Visit our Member Group Page for more information on each group listed
>> below.
>>
>> Senate Committee on Human Service, Mental Health and Recovery
>> Senate Committee on Judiciary and Ballot Measure 110
>> House Committee on Behavioral Health
>> Governor’s Behavioral Health Committees
>> Chief Justice’s Behavioral Health Advisory Committee
>> IMPACTS Grant Program
>> Legislative Workgroup to Decriminalize Mental Illness
>> Legislative Workgroup on Ballot Measure 110
>> Measure 110 Oversight and Accountability Council
>> 988 Crisis Line Implementation Workgroup
>> GAINS Regional Behavioral Health Resource Centers Workgroup
>> SB 24 Implementation Workgroup
>> Psychiatric Security Review Board Workgroup
>> Oregon Center on Behavioral Health and Justice Integration Steering
>> Committee
>> Forensic Evaluation Certification Workgroup
>> Behavioral Health Emergency Coordination Network (BHECN)
>>
>> https://www.courts.oregon.gov/programs/BHLeadership/Pages/default.aspx
>>
>> TB
>>
> Well, damn. With all those ballot measures, committees, workgroups, and
> councils all laser-focused on 'doing something' - with no doubt each
> bunch consisting of Experts in their fields - y'all should literally
> have some efficacious solutions by the end of the week going forward.
>
> And so, look, in that context, I allege that I think I see a broad-based
> windfall in y'all's future out there. Once the fascists hidden among you
> get the legal authority to start involuntarily committing people to
> 'health care facilities' for their own good, all sorts of new
> opportunities will open up for lawyers, medical professionals, health
> care specialists, social workers, building construction workers, admin
> people, cooks, janitorial services, plumbers, electricians, burly
> drivers to compassionately pluck 'em off the streets, and who knows who
> else. You might even be able to cadge a bunch of money from Build Back
> Better and not have to raise taxes (you might also be able to divert
> some of that money to build that bridge). You could also end up with the
> lowest unemployment in the whole nation.
>
> And a word of unsolicited advice: When y'all start promoting all those
> solutions that I'm confident that you'll develop, don't forget to insert
> "humanitarian crisis" and "Number One Priority" in every paragraph that
> can reasonably hold one or both. Lotta power and inherent momentum in
> those phrases, you know.
>

MGT says if she was in charge of Jan 6 there would be a lot more homes
available to the homeless. Even some very nice ones like Pence's, for
example. Employment would also have increased for gun manufacturers,
ammo makers, kevlar clothiers, builders and building renovators. She
would also save all that money wasted on elections and ballots. With her
and the orange goon both ignoring the constitution it could be used for
the toilet paper that they and most repubes think it is.

kmiller wrote:
> On 12/12/2022 9:16 PM, bfh wrote:
>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>
>>> "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit
>>> people with mental health struggles"
>>>
>>>      Speaking of jokes. Even if they did this they don't have
>>> anywhere to put those people or staff to take care of them. The
>>> state's mental health system is already overloaded. No one has even
>>> looked at the price tag for this yet. Our judicial system is
>>> looking at the problem. They figure it will take two years to come
>>> up with an answer for the legal issues. I think that's probably
>>> very optimistic. They might have figured out an answer for the
>>> financial issues by than, but I doubt that too.
>>>
>>> "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit
>>> people with mental health struggles"
>>>
>>> "Oregon has long made it difficult to force people to get mental
>>> health treatment. But as homelessness worsens, there are growing
>>> calls to loosen those laws.
>>>
>>> Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler wants it to be easier to force people
>>> living on the streets into hospitals — even if they have not
>>> committed a crime.
>>>
>>> “When I see people walking through the elements without
>>> appropriate attire, often naked, they are freezing to death, they
>>> are exposed to the elements … I don’t even know if
>>> they know where they are or who they are,” Wheeler told a
>>> room full of business owners recently, “They need help and
>>> they need compassion.
>>>
>>> Wheeler’s comments came at a meeting to discuss crime in
>>> Portland’s Central Eastside. The mayor held the forum after
>>> the owner of Portland’s well-known ice cream brand Salt &
>>> Straw threatened to leave the city and amid his own effort to get
>>> tougher on public camping. He was asked directly at the forum
>>> whether he would support hospitalizing more people involuntarily.
>>>
>>> Wheeler prepped the audience, saying he would be
>>> “resoundingly excoriated” for his comments."”
>>>
>>> https://www.opb.org/article/2022/12/12/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-suggests-easing-process-involuntarily-commit-mentally-ill/
>>>
>>>
>>> "Oregon's process for forced mental health treatment could
>>> eventually see changes
>>>
>>> With rising pressure to improve care for people with mental illness
>>> who deny treatment, a mixed group of state leaders are looking at
>>> changing state laws.
>>>
>>> PORTLAND, Ore. — A group of Oregon leaders — from
>>> judges to doctors to mental health experts — are working to
>>> overhaul state standards for civil commitment and forced mental
>>> health care amid calls for change.
>>>
>>> The Oregon Judicial Department convened the group of 21 panelists,
>>> called the "Commitment to Change Workgroup." It started meeting
>>> this fall, and the panelists plan to meet each month for the next
>>> two years.
>>>
>>> https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/uncommitted-oregon-mental-illness-forced-care-changes/283-04d59004-91f3-45ba-901a-aad8c64a9762
>>>
>>>
>>>      Get a load of this list:
>>>
>>> Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
>>> PROGRAMS AND COMMITTEES
>>> Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
>>>
>>> The Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
>>> Committee is hosted by the Oregon Judicial Department and brings
>>> together the leaders of multi-stakeholder committees, councils, and
>>> workgroups working on issues at the intersection of Oregon’s
>>> behavioral health and justice systems to ensure collaboration and
>>> consistency of statewide efforts.
>>>
>>>   Current Member Groups
>>> Visit our Member Group Page for more information on each group
>>> listed below.
>>>
>>> Senate Committee on Human Service, Mental Health and Recovery
>>> Senate Committee on Judiciary and Ballot Measure 110
>>> House Committee on Behavioral Health
>>> Governor’s Behavioral Health Committees
>>> Chief Justice’s Behavioral Health Advisory Committee
>>> IMPACTS Grant Program
>>> Legislative Workgroup to Decriminalize Mental Illness
>>> Legislative Workgroup on Ballot Measure 110
>>> Measure 110 Oversight and Accountability Council
>>> 988 Crisis Line Implementation Workgroup
>>> GAINS Regional Behavioral Health Resource Centers Workgroup
>>> SB 24 Implementation Workgroup
>>> Psychiatric Security Review Board Workgroup
>>> Oregon Center on Behavioral Health and Justice Integration Steering
>>> Committee
>>> Forensic Evaluation Certification Workgroup
>>> Behavioral Health Emergency Coordination Network (BHECN)
>>>
>>> https://www.courts.oregon.gov/programs/BHLeadership/Pages/default.aspx
>>>
>>> TB
>>>
>> Well, damn. With all those ballot measures, committees, workgroups,
>> and councils all laser-focused on 'doing something' - with no doubt
>> each bunch consisting of Experts in their fields - y'all should
>> literally have some efficacious solutions by the end of the week
>> going forward.
>>
>> And so, look, in that context, I allege that I think I see a
>> broad-based windfall in y'all's future out there. Once the fascists
>> hidden among you get the legal authority to start involuntarily
>> committing people to 'health care facilities' for their own good,
>> all sorts of new opportunities will open up for lawyers, medical
>> professionals, health care specialists, social workers, building
>> construction workers, admin people, cooks, janitorial services,
>> plumbers, electricians, burly drivers to compassionately pluck 'em
>> off the streets, and who knows who else. You might even be able to
>> cadge a bunch of money from Build Back Better and not have to raise
>> taxes (you might also be able to divert some of that money to build
>> that bridge). You could also end up with the lowest unemployment in
>> the whole nation.
>>
>> And a word of unsolicited advice: When y'all start promoting all
>> those solutions that I'm confident that you'll develop, don't forget
>> to insert "humanitarian crisis" and "Number One Priority" in every
>> paragraph that can reasonably hold one or both. Lotta power and
>> inherent momentum in those phrases, you know.
>>
>
> MGT says if she was in charge of Jan 6 there would be a lot more homes
> available to the homeless. Even some very nice ones like Pence's, for
> example. Employment would also have increased for gun manufacturers,
> ammo makers, kevlar clothiers, builders and building renovators. She
> would also save all that money wasted on elections and ballots. With
> her and the orange goon both ignoring the constitution it could be
> used for the toilet paper that they and most repubes think it is.

I sort of agree that your analysis of your hypothetical situation is
uniquely possible in some carefully chosen contexts, but I fail to see
how it will solve the Portland homeless infection..............unless
you intend to vaccinate the homeless with shots from all the new guns
and ammo.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

On 12/13/2022 8:27 AM, bfh wrote:
> kmiller wrote:
>> On 12/12/2022 9:16 PM, bfh wrote:
>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit
>>>> people with mental health struggles"
>>>>
>>>>      Speaking of jokes. Even if they did this they don't have
>>>> anywhere to put those people or staff to take care of them. The
>>>> state's mental health system is already overloaded. No one has even
>>>> looked at the price tag for this yet. Our judicial system is looking
>>>> at the problem. They figure it will take two years to come up with
>>>> an answer for the legal issues. I think that's probably very
>>>> optimistic. They might have figured out an answer for the financial
>>>> issues by than, but I doubt that too.
>>>>
>>>> "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit
>>>> people with mental health struggles"
>>>>
>>>> "Oregon has long made it difficult to force people to get mental
>>>> health treatment. But as homelessness worsens, there are growing
>>>> calls to loosen those laws.
>>>>
>>>> Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler wants it to be easier to force people
>>>> living on the streets into hospitals — even if they have not
>>>> committed a crime.
>>>>
>>>> “When I see people walking through the elements without
>>>> appropriate attire, often naked, they are freezing to death, they
>>>> are exposed to the elements … I don’t even know if they
>>>> know where they are or who they are,” Wheeler told a room full
>>>> of business owners recently, “They need help and they need
>>>> compassion.
>>>>
>>>> Wheeler’s comments came at a meeting to discuss crime in
>>>> Portland’s Central Eastside. The mayor held the forum after
>>>> the owner of Portland’s well-known ice cream brand Salt &
>>>> Straw threatened to leave the city and amid his own effort to get
>>>> tougher on public camping. He was asked directly at the forum
>>>> whether he would support hospitalizing more people involuntarily.
>>>>
>>>> Wheeler prepped the audience, saying he would be “resoundingly
>>>> excoriated” for his comments."”
>>>>
>>>> https://www.opb.org/article/2022/12/12/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-suggests-easing-process-involuntarily-commit-mentally-ill/
>>>>
>>>> "Oregon's process for forced mental health treatment could
>>>> eventually see changes
>>>>
>>>> With rising pressure to improve care for people with mental illness
>>>> who deny treatment, a mixed group of state leaders are looking at
>>>> changing state laws.
>>>>
>>>> PORTLAND, Ore. — A group of Oregon leaders — from
>>>> judges to doctors to mental health experts — are working to
>>>> overhaul state standards for civil commitment and forced mental
>>>> health care amid calls for change.
>>>>
>>>> The Oregon Judicial Department convened the group of 21 panelists,
>>>> called the "Commitment to Change Workgroup." It started meeting this
>>>> fall, and the panelists plan to meet each month for the next two years.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/uncommitted-oregon-mental-illness-forced-care-changes/283-04d59004-91f3-45ba-901a-aad8c64a9762
>>>>
>>>>      Get a load of this list:
>>>>
>>>> Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
>>>> PROGRAMS AND COMMITTEES
>>>> Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
>>>>
>>>> The Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
>>>> Committee is hosted by the Oregon Judicial Department and brings
>>>> together the leaders of multi-stakeholder committees, councils, and
>>>> workgroups working on issues at the intersection of Oregon’s
>>>> behavioral health and justice systems to ensure collaboration and
>>>> consistency of statewide efforts.
>>>>
>>>>   Current Member Groups
>>>> Visit our Member Group Page for more information on each group
>>>> listed below.
>>>>
>>>> Senate Committee on Human Service, Mental Health and Recovery
>>>> Senate Committee on Judiciary and Ballot Measure 110
>>>> House Committee on Behavioral Health
>>>> Governor’s Behavioral Health Committees
>>>> Chief Justice’s Behavioral Health Advisory Committee
>>>> IMPACTS Grant Program
>>>> Legislative Workgroup to Decriminalize Mental Illness
>>>> Legislative Workgroup on Ballot Measure 110
>>>> Measure 110 Oversight and Accountability Council
>>>> 988 Crisis Line Implementation Workgroup
>>>> GAINS Regional Behavioral Health Resource Centers Workgroup
>>>> SB 24 Implementation Workgroup
>>>> Psychiatric Security Review Board Workgroup
>>>> Oregon Center on Behavioral Health and Justice Integration Steering
>>>> Committee
>>>> Forensic Evaluation Certification Workgroup
>>>> Behavioral Health Emergency Coordination Network (BHECN)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.courts.oregon.gov/programs/BHLeadership/Pages/default.aspx
>>>>
>>>> TB
>>>>
>>> Well, damn. With all those ballot measures, committees, workgroups,
>>> and councils all laser-focused on 'doing something' - with no doubt
>>> each bunch consisting of Experts in their fields - y'all should
>>> literally have some efficacious solutions by the end of the week
>>> going forward.
>>>
>>> And so, look, in that context, I allege that I think I see a
>>> broad-based windfall in y'all's future out there. Once the fascists
>>> hidden among you get the legal authority to start involuntarily
>>> committing people to 'health care facilities' for their own good, all
>>> sorts of new opportunities will open up for lawyers, medical
>>> professionals, health care specialists, social workers, building
>>> construction workers, admin people, cooks, janitorial services,
>>> plumbers, electricians, burly drivers to compassionately pluck 'em
>>> off the streets, and who knows who else. You might even be able to
>>> cadge a bunch of money from Build Back Better and not have to raise
>>> taxes (you might also be able to divert some of that money to build
>>> that bridge). You could also end up with the lowest unemployment in
>>> the whole nation.
>>>
>>> And a word of unsolicited advice: When y'all start promoting all
>>> those solutions that I'm confident that you'll develop, don't forget
>>> to insert "humanitarian crisis" and "Number One Priority" in every
>>> paragraph that can reasonably hold one or both. Lotta power and
>>> inherent momentum in those phrases, you know.
>>>
>>
>> MGT says if she was in charge of Jan 6 there would be a lot more homes
>> available to the homeless. Even some very nice ones like Pence's, for
>> example. Employment would also have increased for gun manufacturers,
>> ammo makers, kevlar clothiers, builders and building renovators. She
>> would also save all that money wasted on elections and ballots. With
>> her and the orange goon both ignoring the constitution it could be
>> used for the toilet paper that they and most repubes think it is.
>
> I sort of agree that your analysis of your hypothetical situation is
> uniquely possible in some carefully chosen contexts, but I fail to see
> how it will solve the Portland homeless infection..............unless
> you intend to vaccinate the homeless with shots from all the new guns
> and ammo.
>

I'm sure that MTG can find an election in Portland that was also stolen
and apply her winning formula there, as well.

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:16:43 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:
> Technobarbarian wrote:
> >
> > "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit people
> > with mental health struggles"
> >
> > Speaking of jokes. Even if they did this they don't have anywhere
> > to put those people or staff to take care of them. The state's mental
> > health system is already overloaded. No one has even looked at the
> > price tag for this yet. Our judicial system is looking at the problem.
> > They figure it will take two years to come up with an answer for the
> > legal issues. I think that's probably very optimistic. They might have
> > figured out an answer for the financial issues by than, but I doubt
> > that too.
> >
> > "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit people
> > with mental health struggles"
> >
> > "Oregon has long made it difficult to force people to get mental
> > health treatment. But as homelessness worsens, there are growing calls
> > to loosen those laws.
> >
> > Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler wants it to be easier to force people
> > living on the streets into hospitals — even if they have not
> > committed a crime.
> >
> > “When I see people walking through the elements without appropriate
> > attire, often naked, they are freezing to death, they are exposed to
> > the elements … I don’t even know if they know where they are or
> > who they are,†Wheeler told a room full of business owners recently,
> > “They need help and they need compassion.
> >
> > Wheeler’s comments came at a meeting to discuss crime in
> > Portland’s Central Eastside. The mayor held the forum after the
> > owner of Portland’s well-known ice cream brand Salt & Straw
> > threatened to leave the city and amid his own effort to get tougher on
> > public camping. He was asked directly at the forum whether he would
> > support hospitalizing more people involuntarily.
> >
> > Wheeler prepped the audience, saying he would be “resoundingly
> > excoriated†for his comments."â€
> >
> > https://www.opb.org/article/2022/12/12/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-suggests-easing-process-involuntarily-commit-mentally-ill/
> >
> >
> > "Oregon's process for forced mental health treatment could eventually
> > see changes
> >
> > With rising pressure to improve care for people with mental illness
> > who deny treatment, a mixed group of state leaders are looking at
> > changing state laws.
> >
> > PORTLAND, Ore. — A group of Oregon leaders — from judges to
> > doctors to mental health experts — are working to overhaul state
> > standards for civil commitment and forced mental health care amid
> > calls for change.
> >
> > The Oregon Judicial Department convened the group of 21 panelists,
> > called the "Commitment to Change Workgroup." It started meeting this
> > fall, and the panelists plan to meet each month for the next two years.
> >
> > https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/uncommitted-oregon-mental-illness-forced-care-changes/283-04d59004-91f3-45ba-901a-aad8c64a9762
> >
> >
> > Get a load of this list:
> >
> > Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
> > PROGRAMS AND COMMITTEES
> > Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
> >
> > The Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination Committee
> > is hosted by the Oregon Judicial Department and brings together the
> > leaders of multi-stakeholder committees, councils, and workgroups
> > working on issues at the intersection of Oregon’s behavioral health
> > and justice systems to ensure collaboration and consistency of
> > statewide efforts.
> >
> > Current Member Groups
> > Visit our Member Group Page for more information on each group listed
> > below.
> >
> > Senate Committee on Human Service, Mental Health and Recovery
> > Senate Committee on Judiciary and Ballot Measure 110
> > House Committee on Behavioral Health
> > Governor’s Behavioral Health Committees
> > Chief Justice’s Behavioral Health Advisory Committee
> > IMPACTS Grant Program
> > Legislative Workgroup to Decriminalize Mental Illness
> > Legislative Workgroup on Ballot Measure 110
> > Measure 110 Oversight and Accountability Council
> > 988 Crisis Line Implementation Workgroup
> > GAINS Regional Behavioral Health Resource Centers Workgroup
> > SB 24 Implementation Workgroup
> > Psychiatric Security Review Board Workgroup
> > Oregon Center on Behavioral Health and Justice Integration Steering
> > Committee
> > Forensic Evaluation Certification Workgroup
> > Behavioral Health Emergency Coordination Network (BHECN)
> >
> > https://www.courts.oregon.gov/programs/BHLeadership/Pages/default.aspx
> >
> > TB
> >
> Well, damn. With all those ballot measures, committees, workgroups,
> and councils all laser-focused on 'doing something' - with no doubt
> each bunch consisting of Experts in their fields - y'all should
> literally have some efficacious solutions by the end of the week going
> forward.
>
> And so, look, in that context, I allege that I think I see a
> broad-based windfall in y'all's future out there. Once the fascists
> hidden among you get the legal authority to start involuntarily
> committing people to 'health care facilities' for their own good, all
> sorts of new opportunities will open up for lawyers, medical
> professionals, health care specialists, social workers, building
> construction workers, admin people, cooks, janitorial services,
> plumbers, electricians, burly drivers to compassionately pluck 'em off
> the streets, and who knows who else. You might even be able to cadge a
> bunch of money from Build Back Better and not have to raise taxes (you
> might also be able to divert some of that money to build that bridge).
> You could also end up with the lowest unemployment in the whole nation.
>
> And a word of unsolicited advice: When y'all start promoting all those
> solutions that I'm confident that you'll develop, don't forget to
> insert "humanitarian crisis" and "Number One Priority" in every
> paragraph that can reasonably hold one or both. Lotta power and
> inherent momentum in those phrases, you know.
>
> --
> bill
> Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

I can see it all now so clearly... Eventually it will be a "closed system", where part of the population will have "control" over those who don't act the correct way... HawHawHaw!

Ed Koch

film...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:16:43 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:
>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>
>>> "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit
>>> people with mental health struggles"
>>>
>>> Speaking of jokes. Even if they did this they don't have
>>> anywhere to put those people or staff to take care of them. The
>>> state's mental health system is already overloaded. No one has
>>> even looked at the price tag for this yet. Our judicial system
>>> is looking at the problem. They figure it will take two years
>>> to come up with an answer for the legal issues. I think that's
>>> probably very optimistic. They might have figured out an answer
>>> for the financial issues by than, but I doubt that too.
>>>
>>> "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit
>>> people with mental health struggles"
>>>
>>> "Oregon has long made it difficult to force people to get
>>> mental health treatment. But as homelessness worsens, there are
>>> growing calls to loosen those laws.
>>>
>>> Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler wants it to be easier to force
>>> people living on the streets into hospitals — even if
>>> they have not committed a crime.
>>>
>>> “When I see people walking through the elements without
>>> appropriate attire, often naked, they are freezing to death,
>>> they are exposed to the elements … I don’t even
>>> know if they know where they are or who they are,†Wheeler
>>> told a room full of business owners recently, “They need
>>> help and they need compassion.
>>>
>>> Wheeler’s comments came at a meeting to discuss crime
>>> in Portland’s Central Eastside. The mayor held the forum
>>> after the owner of Portland’s well-known ice cream brand
>>> Salt & Straw threatened to leave the city and amid his own
>>> effort to get tougher on public camping. He was asked directly
>>> at the forum whether he would support hospitalizing more people
>>> involuntarily.
>>>
>>> Wheeler prepped the audience, saying he would be
>>> “resoundingly excoriated†for his comments."â€
>>>
>>> https://www.opb.org/article/2022/12/12/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-suggests-easing-process-involuntarily-commit-mentally-ill/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
"Oregon's process for forced mental health treatment could eventually
>>> see changes
>>>
>>> With rising pressure to improve care for people with mental
>>> illness who deny treatment, a mixed group of state leaders are
>>> looking at changing state laws.
>>>
>>> PORTLAND, Ore. — A group of Oregon leaders — from
>>> judges to doctors to mental health experts — are working
>>> to overhaul state standards for civil commitment and forced
>>> mental health care amid calls for change.
>>>
>>> The Oregon Judicial Department convened the group of 21
>>> panelists, called the "Commitment to Change Workgroup." It
>>> started meeting this fall, and the panelists plan to meet each
>>> month for the next two years.
>>>
>>> https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/uncommitted-oregon-mental-illness-forced-care-changes/283-04d59004-91f3-45ba-901a-aad8c64a9762
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
Get a load of this list:
>>>
>>> Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
>>> PROGRAMS AND COMMITTEES Behavioral Health/Justice System
>>> Leadership Coordination
>>>
>>> The Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
>>> Committee is hosted by the Oregon Judicial Department and
>>> brings together the leaders of multi-stakeholder committees,
>>> councils, and workgroups working on issues at the intersection
>>> of Oregon’s behavioral health and justice systems to
>>> ensure collaboration and consistency of statewide efforts.
>>>
>>> Current Member Groups Visit our Member Group Page for more
>>> information on each group listed below.
>>>
>>> Senate Committee on Human Service, Mental Health and Recovery
>>> Senate Committee on Judiciary and Ballot Measure 110 House
>>> Committee on Behavioral Health Governor’s Behavioral
>>> Health Committees Chief Justice’s Behavioral Health
>>> Advisory Committee IMPACTS Grant Program Legislative Workgroup
>>> to Decriminalize Mental Illness Legislative Workgroup on Ballot
>>> Measure 110 Measure 110 Oversight and Accountability Council
>>> 988 Crisis Line Implementation Workgroup GAINS Regional
>>> Behavioral Health Resource Centers Workgroup SB 24
>>> Implementation Workgroup Psychiatric Security Review Board
>>> Workgroup Oregon Center on Behavioral Health and Justice
>>> Integration Steering Committee Forensic Evaluation
>>> Certification Workgroup Behavioral Health Emergency
>>> Coordination Network (BHECN)
>>>
>>> https://www.courts.oregon.gov/programs/BHLeadership/Pages/default.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>>
TB
>>>
>> Well, damn. With all those ballot measures, committees,
>> workgroups, and councils all laser-focused on 'doing something' -
>> with no doubt each bunch consisting of Experts in their fields -
>> y'all should literally have some efficacious solutions by the end
>> of the week going forward.
>>
>> And so, look, in that context, I allege that I think I see a
>> broad-based windfall in y'all's future out there. Once the
>> fascists hidden among you get the legal authority to start
>> involuntarily committing people to 'health care facilities' for
>> their own good, all sorts of new opportunities will open up for
>> lawyers, medical professionals, health care specialists, social
>> workers, building construction workers, admin people, cooks,
>> janitorial services, plumbers, electricians, burly drivers to
>> compassionately pluck 'em off the streets, and who knows who
>> else. You might even be able to cadge a bunch of money from Build
>> Back Better and not have to raise taxes (you might also be able
>> to divert some of that money to build that bridge). You could
>> also end up with the lowest unemployment in the whole nation.
>>
>> And a word of unsolicited advice: When y'all start promoting all
>> those solutions that I'm confident that you'll develop, don't
>> forget to insert "humanitarian crisis" and "Number One Priority"
>> in every paragraph that can reasonably hold one or both. Lotta
>> power and inherent momentum in those phrases, you know.
>>
>> -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
>
> I can see it all now so clearly... Eventually it will be a "closed
> system", where part of the population will have "control" over
> those who don't act the correct way... HawHawHaw!
>
> Ed Koch

At the end of the day going forward, I think you literally may be
right. That's pretty much the end result of "involuntary commitment".
Then there's NYC - but not currently Ed Koch - that wants to give this
authority to social workers, hospitals, and first responders.
----------------------------------------------------------
The mayor’s directive marks the latest attempt to ease a crisis
decades in the making. It would give outreach workers, city hospitals
and first responders, including police, discretion to involuntarily
hospitalize anyone they deem a danger to themselves or unable to care
for themselves.
----------------------------------------------------------
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/nation-world/new-york-city-mentally-ill-hospitalization/507-6d76b220-1bd8-4634-8ded-4c6723de175e

Read the above again, look up the definition of "deem", and consider
who's authorized to do the deeming of "danger to themselves".

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

On 12/14/2022 12:18 PM, bfh wrote:
> film...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:16:43 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:
>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit
>>>> people with mental health struggles"
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of jokes. Even if they did this they don't have
>>>> anywhere to put those people or staff to take care of them. The
>>>> state's mental health system is already overloaded. No one has
>>>> even looked at the price tag for this yet. Our judicial system
>>>> is looking at the problem. They figure it will take two years
>>>> to come up with an answer for the legal issues. I think that's
>>>> probably very optimistic. They might have figured out an answer
>>>> for the financial issues by than, but I doubt that too.
>>>>
>>>> "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit
>>>> people with mental health struggles"
>>>>
>>>> "Oregon has long made it difficult to force people to get
>>>> mental health treatment. But as homelessness worsens, there are
>>>> growing calls to loosen those laws.
>>>>
>>>> Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler wants it to be easier to force
>>>> people living on the streets into hospitals — even if
>>>> they have not committed a crime.
>>>>
>>>> “When I see people walking through the elements without
>>>> appropriate attire, often naked, they are freezing to death,
>>>> they are exposed to the elements … I don’t even
>>>> know if they know where they are or who they are,†Wheeler
>>>> told a room full of business owners recently, “They need
>>>> help and they need compassion.
>>>>
>>>> Wheeler’s comments came at a meeting to discuss crime
>>>> in Portland’s Central Eastside. The mayor held the forum
>>>> after the owner of Portland’s well-known ice cream brand
>>>> Salt & Straw threatened to leave the city and amid his own
>>>> effort to get tougher on public camping. He was asked directly
>>>> at the forum whether he would support hospitalizing more people
>>>> involuntarily.
>>>>
>>>> Wheeler prepped the audience, saying he would be
>>>> “resoundingly excoriated†for his comments."â€
>>>>
>>>> https://www.opb.org/article/2022/12/12/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-suggests-easing-process-involuntarily-commit-mentally-ill/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> "Oregon's process for forced mental health treatment could eventually
>>>> see changes
>>>>
>>>> With rising pressure to improve care for people with mental
>>>> illness who deny treatment, a mixed group of state leaders are
>>>> looking at changing state laws.
>>>>
>>>> PORTLAND, Ore. — A group of Oregon leaders — from
>>>> judges to doctors to mental health experts — are working
>>>> to overhaul state standards for civil commitment and forced
>>>> mental health care amid calls for change.
>>>>
>>>> The Oregon Judicial Department convened the group of 21
>>>> panelists, called the "Commitment to Change Workgroup." It
>>>> started meeting this fall, and the panelists plan to meet each
>>>> month for the next two years.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/uncommitted-oregon-mental-illness-forced-care-changes/283-04d59004-91f3-45ba-901a-aad8c64a9762
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> Get a load of this list:
>>>>
>>>> Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination PROGRAMS
>>>> AND COMMITTEES Behavioral Health/Justice System
>>>> Leadership Coordination
>>>>
>>>> The Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
>>>> Committee is hosted by the Oregon Judicial Department and
>>>> brings together the leaders of multi-stakeholder committees,
>>>> councils, and workgroups working on issues at the intersection
>>>> of Oregon’s behavioral health and justice systems to
>>>> ensure collaboration and consistency of statewide efforts.
>>>>
>>>> Current Member Groups Visit our Member Group Page for more
>>>> information on each group listed below.
>>>>
>>>> Senate Committee on Human Service, Mental Health and Recovery Senate
>>>> Committee on Judiciary and Ballot Measure 110 House
>>>> Committee on Behavioral Health Governor’s Behavioral
>>>> Health Committees Chief Justice’s Behavioral Health
>>>> Advisory Committee IMPACTS Grant Program Legislative Workgroup
>>>> to Decriminalize Mental Illness Legislative Workgroup on Ballot
>>>> Measure 110 Measure 110 Oversight and Accountability Council 988
>>>> Crisis Line Implementation Workgroup GAINS Regional
>>>> Behavioral Health Resource Centers Workgroup SB 24
>>>> Implementation Workgroup Psychiatric Security Review Board
>>>> Workgroup Oregon Center on Behavioral Health and Justice
>>>> Integration Steering Committee Forensic Evaluation
>>>> Certification Workgroup Behavioral Health Emergency
>>>> Coordination Network (BHECN)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.courts.oregon.gov/programs/BHLeadership/Pages/default.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> TB
>>>>
>>> Well, damn. With all those ballot measures, committees,
>>> workgroups, and councils all laser-focused on 'doing something' -
>>> with no doubt each bunch consisting of Experts in their fields -
>>> y'all should literally have some efficacious solutions by the end
>>> of the week going forward.
>>>
>>> And so, look, in that context, I allege that I think I see a
>>> broad-based windfall in y'all's future out there. Once the
>>> fascists hidden among you get the legal authority to start
>>> involuntarily committing people to 'health care facilities' for
>>> their own good, all sorts of new opportunities will open up for
>>> lawyers, medical professionals, health care specialists, social
>>> workers, building construction workers, admin people, cooks,
>>> janitorial services, plumbers, electricians, burly drivers to
>>> compassionately pluck 'em off the streets, and who knows who
>>> else. You might even be able to cadge a bunch of money from Build
>>> Back Better and not have to raise taxes (you might also be able
>>> to divert some of that money to build that bridge). You could
>>> also end up with the lowest unemployment in the whole nation.
>>>
>>> And a word of unsolicited advice: When y'all start promoting all
>>> those solutions that I'm confident that you'll develop, don't
>>> forget to insert "humanitarian crisis" and "Number One Priority"
>>> in every paragraph that can reasonably hold one or both. Lotta
>>> power and inherent momentum in those phrases, you know.
>>>
>>> -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
>>
>> I can see it all now so clearly...  Eventually it will be a "closed
>> system",  where part of the population will have "control" over
>> those who don't act the correct way...   HawHawHaw!
>>
>> Ed Koch
>
> At the end of the day going forward, I think you literally may be right.
> That's pretty much the end result of "involuntary commitment". Then
> there's NYC - but not currently Ed Koch - that wants to give this
> authority to social workers, hospitals, and first responders.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> The mayor’s directive marks the latest attempt to ease a crisis decades
> in the making. It would give outreach workers, city hospitals and first
> responders, including police, discretion to involuntarily hospitalize
> anyone they deem a danger to themselves or unable to care for themselves.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> https://www.kgw.com/article/news/nation-world/new-york-city-mentally-ill-hospitalization/507-6d76b220-1bd8-4634-8ded-4c6723de175e
>
> Read the above again, look up the definition of "deem", and consider
> who's authorized to do the deeming of "danger to themselves".
>