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The Fifth Amendment Won't Protect Trump

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by: Bradley K. Sherman - Thu, 22 Sep 2022 23:55 UTC

|
| Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
| Unbeatable
|
| He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
| the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
| ...
| But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
| Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
| suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
| they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
| would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
| that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
| will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
| Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
| he was asked.
| ...
<https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/22/trump-attorney-general-fraud-case-00058377>

Trump took the Fifth over 400 times. And co-defendant Eric Trump
took the fifth over 500 times.

--bks

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by: Mitchell Holman - Fri, 23 Sep 2022 01:40 UTC

bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote in
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> |
> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
> | Unbeatable
> |
> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
> | ...
> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
> | he was asked.
> | ...
> <https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/22/trump-attorney-gener
> al-fraud-case-00058377>
>
> Trump took the Fifth over 400 times. And co-defendant Eric Trump
> took the fifth over 500 times.
>
> --bks
>

"You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you're
innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"
Donald Trump, 2016
https://tinyurl.com/2p836556

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by: NoBody - Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:04 UTC

On 22 Sep 2022 23:55:30 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
wrote:

> |
> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
> | Unbeatable
> |
> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
> | ...
> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
> | he was asked.
> | ...
><https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/22/trump-attorney-general-fraud-case-00058377>
>
>Trump took the Fifth over 400 times. And co-defendant Eric Trump
>took the fifth over 500 times.
>
> --bks

Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's enemies.
NY couldn't make a legal case so they are doing an end run around the
law...hardly shocking.

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by: Alan Bond - Fri, 23 Sep 2022 14:00 UTC

On 9/23/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On 22 Sep 2022 23:55:30 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
> wrote:
>
>> |
>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>> | Unbeatable
>> |
>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>> | ...
>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>> | he was asked.
>> | ...
>> <https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/22/trump-attorney-general-fraud-case-00058377>
>>
>> Trump took the Fifth over 400 times. And co-defendant Eric Trump
>> took the fifth over 500 times.
>>
>> --bks
>
> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's enemies.

No. That's not what's happening.

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by: David Hartung - Fri, 23 Sep 2022 16:24 UTC

On 9/23/22 09:00, Alan Bond wrote:
> On 9/23/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On 22 Sep 2022 23:55:30 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> |
>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>> | Unbeatable
>>> |
>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>> | ...
>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>> | he was asked.
>>> | ...
>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/22/trump-attorney-general-fraud-case-00058377>
>>>
>>>
>>> Trump took the Fifth over 400 times. And co-defendant Eric Trump
>>> took the fifth over 500 times.
>>>
>>> --bks
>>
>> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's enemies.
>
> No. That's not what's happening.

Oh?

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by: Bradley K. Sherman - Fri, 23 Sep 2022 16:27 UTC

David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 9/23/22 09:00, Alan Bond wrote:
>> On 9/23/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> |
>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>> |
>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>> | ...
>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>> | he was asked.
>>>> | ...
> ...
>>> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's enemies.
>> No. That's not what's happening.
>Oh?

Look at you, standing up for fraud.

--bks

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by: Rudy Canoza - Fri, 23 Sep 2022 16:27 UTC

On 9/23/2022 9:24 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 9/23/22 09:00, Alan Bond wrote:
>> On 9/23/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On 22 Sep 2022 23:55:30 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> |
>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>> |
>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>> | ...
>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>> | he was asked.
>>>> | ...
>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/22/trump-attorney-general-fraud-case-00058377>
>>>>
>>>> Trump took the Fifth over 400 times. And co-defendant Eric Trump
>>>> took the fifth over 500 times.
>>>>
>>>> --bks
>>>
>>> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's enemies.
>>
>> No. That's not what's happening.
>
> Oh?

A typically stupid and inane Hartung fart.

You know political persecution is not what's happening.

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by: Rudy Canoza - Fri, 23 Sep 2022 16:28 UTC

On 9/23/2022 9:27 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/23/22 09:00, Alan Bond wrote:
>>> On 9/23/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>>> |
>>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>>> | ...
>>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>>> | he was asked.
>>>>> | ...
>> ...
>>>> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's enemies.
>>> No. That's not what's happening.
>> Oh?
>
> Look at you, standing up for fraud.

Hartung has stated many times he is willing to die for Trump.

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by: Siri Cruise - Fri, 23 Sep 2022 16:31 UTC

In article <zDSdnfJwQc9SQLD-nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:

> >> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's enemies.
> >
> > No. That's not what's happening.
>
> Oh?

Are all former presidents immune from New York fraud laws?

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by: Mitchell Holman - Fri, 23 Sep 2022 18:55 UTC

David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
news:zDSdnfJwQc9SQLD-nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com:

> On 9/23/22 09:00, Alan Bond wrote:
>> On 9/23/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On 22 Sep 2022 23:55:30 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> |
>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>> |
>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>> | ...
>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>> | he was asked.
>>>> | ...
>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/22/trump-attorney-ge
>>>> neral-fraud-case-00058377>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Trump took the Fifth over 400 times. And co-defendant Eric Trump
>>>> took the fifth over 500 times.
>>>>
>>>> --bks
>>>
>>> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's
>>> enemies.
>>
>> No. That's not what's happening.
>
> Oh?

Political persecution:

By a Trump appointed FBI director.

By a Trump appointed trial judge.

By TWO Trump appointed appellate judges.

And in the election fraud claims, THREE
Trump appointed Supreme Court Justices.

All "deep state liberals", right?

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by: Phil Omdahl - Fri, 23 Sep 2022 19:23 UTC

On 9/23/2022 11:55 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:zDSdnfJwQc9SQLD-nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> On 9/23/22 09:00, Alan Bond wrote:
>>> On 9/23/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On 22 Sep 2022 23:55:30 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>>> |
>>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>>> | ...
>>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>>> | he was asked.
>>>>> | ...
>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/22/trump-attorney-ge
>>>>> neral-fraud-case-00058377>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump took the Fifth over 400 times. And co-defendant Eric Trump
>>>>> took the fifth over 500 times.
>>>>>
>>>>> --bks
>>>>
>>>> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's
>>>> enemies.
>>>
>>> No. That's not what's happening.
>>
>> Oh?
>
>
> Political persecution:
>
> By a Trump appointed FBI director.
>
> By a Trump appointed trial judge.
>
> By TWO Trump appointed appellate judges.
>
> And in the election fraud claims, THREE
> Trump appointed Supreme Court Justices.
>
>
> All "deep state liberals", right?

Hartung is only specifically talking here about the NY State fraud case against
Trump. That clearly is not "political persecution." There is *massive* solid
evidence that Trump and all three of his bastard children were engaged in fraud.
Among other evidence that can and *will* be presented to the jury is Don
Fatso's 400 invocations of the fifth amendment, and Fredo's more than 500
invocations of it.

There is no political persecution going on in this or any other case against
Trump. He's a crook and a wannabe fascist tyrant.

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by: NoBody - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 13:10 UTC

On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:24:46 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 9/23/22 09:00, Alan Bond wrote:
>> On 9/23/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On 22 Sep 2022 23:55:30 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> |
>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>> |
>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>> | ...
>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>> | he was asked.
>>>> | ...
>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/22/trump-attorney-general-fraud-case-00058377>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Trump took the Fifth over 400 times. And co-defendant Eric Trump
>>>> took the fifth over 500 times.
>>>>
>>>> --bks
>>>
>>> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's enemies.
>>
>> No. That's not what's happening.
>
>Oh?

That's exactly what is happening since the prosecutor ran on a
platform of "get Trump". Rudely is the fool again, but that's
redundant.

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by: NoBody - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 13:11 UTC

On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 16:27:25 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On 9/23/22 09:00, Alan Bond wrote:
>>> On 9/23/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>>> |
>>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>>> | ...
>>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>>> | he was asked.
>>>>> | ...
>> ...
>>>> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's enemies.
>>> No.Â That's not what's happening.
>>Oh?
>
>Look at you, standing up for fraud.
>

Look at you, standing up for political persecution of "enemies".

> --bks

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by: David Hartung - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 13:51 UTC

On 9/23/22 14:23, Phil Omdahl wrote:
> On 9/23/2022 11:55 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:zDSdnfJwQc9SQLD-nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 9/23/22 09:00, Alan Bond wrote:
>>>> On 9/23/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On 22 Sep 2022 23:55:30 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>>>> | ...
>>>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>>>> | he was asked.
>>>>>> | ...
>>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/22/trump-attorney-ge
>>>>>> neral-fraud-case-00058377>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump took the Fifth over 400 times. And co-defendant Eric Trump
>>>>>> took the fifth over 500 times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      --bks
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's
>>>>> enemies.
>>>>
>>>> No. That's not what's happening.
>>>
>>> Oh?
>>
>>
>>     Political persecution:
>>
>>     By a Trump appointed FBI director.
>>
>>     By a Trump appointed trial judge.
>>
>>     By TWO Trump appointed appellate judges.
>>
>>     And in the election fraud claims, THREE
>> Trump appointed Supreme Court Justices.
>>
>>
>>      All "deep state liberals", right?
>
> Hartung is only specifically talking here about the NY State fraud case
> against Trump. That clearly is not "political persecution."   There is
> *massive* solid evidence that Trump and all three of his bastard
> children were engaged in fraud. Among other evidence that can and
> *will* be presented to the jury is Don Fatso's 400 invocations of the
> fifth amendment, and Fredo's more than 500 invocations of it.
>
> There is no political persecution going on in this or any other case
> against Trump. He's a crook and a wannabe fascist tyrant.

It is truly amazing how you all can read so much into a one word post.

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by: David Hartung - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 13:59 UTC

On 9/24/22 08:10, NoBody wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:24:46 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/23/22 09:00, Alan Bond wrote:
>>> On 9/23/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On 22 Sep 2022 23:55:30 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>>> |
>>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>>> | ...
>>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>>> | he was asked.
>>>>> | ...
>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/22/trump-attorney-general-fraud-case-00058377>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump took the Fifth over 400 times. And co-defendant Eric Trump
>>>>> took the fifth over 500 times.
>>>>>
>>>>> --bks
>>>>
>>>> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's enemies.
>>>
>>> No. That's not what's happening.
>>
>> Oh?
>
> That's exactly what is happening since the prosecutor ran on a
> platform of "get Trump". Rudely is the fool again, but that's
> redundant.

It is my belief that the purpose of all these investigations and actions
against Donald Trump is less about "bringing h to justice" than it is
about destroying him politically.

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by: Bradley K. Sherman - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 14:41 UTC

David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>>>> | ...
>>>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>>>> | he was asked.
>>>>>> | ...
> ...
>It is my belief that the purpose of all these investigations and actions
>against Donald Trump is less about "bringing h to justice" than it is
>about destroying him politically.

Fortunately the courts do not care about your idiotic beliefs.
Trump tried to overthrow the government of the USA. Your
support of him is sedition.

--bks

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by: David Hartung - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 14:54 UTC

On 9/24/22 09:41, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>>>>> | ...
>>>>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>>>>> | he was asked.
>>>>>>> | ...
>> ...
>> It is my belief that the purpose of all these investigations and actions
>> against Donald Trump is less about "bringing h to justice" than it is
>> about destroying him politically.
>
> Fortunately the courts do not care about your idiotic beliefs.
> Trump tried to overthrow the government of the USA. Your
> support of him is sedition.

Then file charges against me.

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by: David Hartung - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 14:55 UTC

On 9/24/22 09:54, David Hartung wrote:
> On 9/24/22 09:41, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>>>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>>>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>>>>>> | ...
>>>>>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>>>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>>>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>>>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>>>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>>>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>>>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>>>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>>>>>> | he was asked.
>>>>>>>> | ...
>>> ...
>>> It is my belief that the purpose of all these investigations and actions
>>> against Donald Trump is less about "bringing h to justice" than it is
>>> about destroying him politically.
>>
>> Fortunately the courts do not care about your idiotic beliefs.
>> Trump tried to overthrow the government of the USA. Your
>> support of him is sedition.
>
> Then file charges against me.

Or to put it another way, put up or shut up.

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by: T. Howard Pines, Jr. - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 17:55 UTC

On 9/24/2022 6:10 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:24:46 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/23/22 09:00, Alan Bond wrote:
>>> On 9/23/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On 22 Sep 2022 23:55:30 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>>> |
>>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>>> | ...
>>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>>> | he was asked.
>>>>> | ...
>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/22/trump-attorney-general-fraud-case-00058377>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump took the Fifth over 400 times. And co-defendant Eric Trump
>>>>> took the fifth over 500 times.
>>>>>
>>>>> --bks
>>>>
>>>> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's enemies.
>>>
>>> No. That's not what's happening.
>>
>> Oh?
>
> That's exactly what is happening since

That is not what is happening. That's only how unthinking, unperceptive
Trumpswabs insist on seeing it. But it's not real. There is no "political
persecution" of the crook and cheater.

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On 9/24/2022 6:11 AM, NoBody wrote:
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> Sherman) wrote:
>
>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 9/23/22 09:00, Alan Bond wrote:
>>>> On 9/23/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>>>> | ...
>>>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>>>> | he was asked.
>>>>>> | ...
>>> ...
>>>>> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's enemies.
>>>> No.Â That's not what's happening.
>>> Oh?
>>
>> Look at you, standing up for fraud.
>>
>
> Look at you, standing up for political persecution

No, that's a lie. There is no "political persecution" of Trump. He committed
numerous real offenses. It's time to hold him accountable.

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by: Rudy Canoza - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 17:58 UTC

On 9/24/2022 6:51 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 9/23/22 14:23, Phil Omdahl wrote:
>> On 9/23/2022 11:55 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:zDSdnfJwQc9SQLD-nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> On 9/23/22 09:00, Alan Bond wrote:
>>>>> On 9/23/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>> On 22 Sep 2022 23:55:30 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>>>>> | ...
>>>>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>>>>> | he was asked.
>>>>>>> | ...
>>>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/22/trump-attorney-ge
>>>>>>> neral-fraud-case-00058377>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump took the Fifth over 400 times. And co-defendant Eric Trump
>>>>>>> took the fifth over 500 times.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      --bks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's
>>>>>> enemies.
>>>>>
>>>>> No. That's not what's happening.
>>>>
>>>> Oh?
>>>
>>>
>>>     Political persecution:
>>>
>>>     By a Trump appointed FBI director.
>>>
>>>     By a Trump appointed trial judge.
>>>
>>>     By TWO Trump appointed appellate judges.
>>>
>>>     And in the election fraud claims, THREE
>>> Trump appointed Supreme Court Justices.
>>>
>>>
>>>      All "deep state liberals", right?
>>
>> Hartung is only specifically talking here about the NY State fraud case
>> against Trump. That clearly is not "political persecution."   There is
>> *massive* solid evidence that Trump and all three of his bastard children were
>> engaged in fraud. Among other evidence that can and *will* be presented to
>> the jury is Don Fatso's 400 invocations of the fifth amendment, and Fredo's
>> more than 500 invocations of it.
>>
>> There is no political persecution going on in this or any other case against
>> Trump. He's a crook and a wannabe fascist tyrant.
>
> It is truly amazing how you all can read so much into a one word post.

Your corrupt and deviant thought [sic] process is well known.

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by: Rudy Canoza - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 17:59 UTC

On 9/24/2022 6:59 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 9/24/22 08:10, NoBody wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 11:24:46 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/23/22 09:00, Alan Bond wrote:
>>>> On 9/23/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On 22 Sep 2022 23:55:30 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>>>> | ...
>>>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>>>> | he was asked.
>>>>>> | ...
>>>>>> <https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/22/trump-attorney-general-fraud-case-00058377>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump took the Fifth over 400 times. And co-defendant Eric Trump
>>>>>> took the fifth over 500 times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --bks
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at you being in favor of political persecution of one's enemies.
>>>>
>>>> No. That's not what's happening.
>>>
>>> Oh?
>>
>> That's exactly what is happening since the prosecutor ran on a
>> platform of "get Trump". Rudely is the fool again, but that's
>> redundant.
>
> It is my belief that the purpose of all these investigations and actions against
> Donald Trump is less about "bringing h to justice" than it is about destroying
> him politically.

That is bullshit and you know it.

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On 9/24/2022 7:54 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 9/24/22 09:41, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>>>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>>>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>>>>>> | ...
>>>>>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>>>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>>>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>>>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>>>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>>>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>>>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>>>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>>>>>> | he was asked.
>>>>>>>> | ...
>>> ...
>>> It is my belief that the purpose of all these investigations and actions
>>> against Donald Trump is less about "bringing h to justice" than it is
>>> about destroying him politically.
>>
>> Fortunately the courts do not care about your idiotic beliefs.
>> Trump tried to overthrow the government of the USA. Your
>> support of him is sedition.
>
> Then file charges against me.

Why don't you just kill yourself and spare us the bother? Or you could always
move to Russia or Hungary or Turkey, where they have and tolerate the kind of
autocratic government you want.

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by: Rudy Canoza - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 18:24 UTC

On 9/24/2022 7:55 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 9/24/22 09:54, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 9/24/22 09:41, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>>> | Trump Made N.Y. Attorney General's Fraud Case Virtually
>>>>>>>>> | Unbeatable
>>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>>> | He should have settled early, but he got boxed into taking
>>>>>>>>> | the Fifth -- and that can be used against him now.
>>>>>>>>> | ...
>>>>>>>>> | But taking the Fifth has severe consequences in this case.
>>>>>>>>> | Unlike in a criminal case, in a civil proceeding like the
>>>>>>>>> | suit brought by James, the jury will likely be instructed
>>>>>>>>> | they can infer that when Trump took the Fifth, his answer
>>>>>>>>> | would have been adverse to him. Trump's repeated insistence
>>>>>>>>> | that James' politically motivated suit left him no choice
>>>>>>>>> | will not withstand the effect of the jury inferring that
>>>>>>>>> | Trump broke the law and has no good answer to the questions
>>>>>>>>> | he was asked.
>>>>>>>>> | ...
>>>> ...
>>>> It is my belief that the purpose of all these investigations and actions
>>>> against Donald Trump is less about "bringing h to justice" than it is
>>>> about destroying him politically.
>>>
>>> Fortunately the courts do not care about your idiotic beliefs.
>>> Trump tried to overthrow the government of the USA. Your
>>> support of him is sedition.
>>
>> Then file charges against me.
>
> Or to put it another way, put up or shut up.

Fuck off. The evidence for Trump's attempt to overthrow the government is in
plain sight and cannot be denied. You know that's what he attempted to do.
Stop lying about it.

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