Yeah, this guy is an all American hero. The only thing he cares about is his own fat ass.

"Trump, who led the longest government shutdown in US history, calls on Republicans to let it happen again in 9 days so they can 'defund these political prosecutions against me'"

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9

TB

On 9/21/2023 10:19 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
>
> Yeah, this guy is an all American hero. The only thing he cares about is his own fat ass.
>
> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown in US history, calls on Republicans to let it happen again in 9 days so they can 'defund these political prosecutions against me'"
>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>
> TB

But, wait! How can that be? They want justice and support law
enforcement, don't they? HawHawHaw!

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 6:38:04 PM UTC-7, kmiller wrote:
> On 9/21/2023 10:19 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, this guy is an all American hero. The only thing he cares about is his own fat ass.
> >
> > "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown in US history, calls on Republicans to let it happen again in 9 days so they can 'defund these political prosecutions against me'"
> >
> > https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
> >
> > TB
> But, wait! How can that be? They want justice and support law
> enforcement, don't they? HawHawHaw!

Yeah, you would think an innocent man would want to clear this up as soon as possible. Even if the lower courts were really corrupt he should be able to count on the not so Supreme court he packed.

If it walks like a mob boss, and quacks like a mob boss? The retrumplicans used to claim to know the answer to this question.

TB

Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, this guy is an all American hero. The only thing he cares about
> is his own fat ass.
>
> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown in US history, calls on
> Republicans to let it happen again in 9 days so they can 'defund these
> political prosecutions against me'"
>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>
> TB
>

A government shut down is always a good thing regardless of which side you
are on.

--
Joe Biden calls himself the greatest job creator in history after rehiring
the 9 million people he fired.

George.Anthony wrote:
> Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, this guy is an all American hero. The only thing he cares about
>> is his own fat ass.
>>
>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown in US history, calls on
>> Republicans to let it happen again in 9 days so they can 'defund these
>> political prosecutions against me'"
>>
>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>>
>> TB
>>
>
> A government shut down is always a good thing regardless of which side you
> are on.

I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've been diagnosed by our
resident psychiatrist with having problems with the English language,
so I'll just say that's a pretty good - and pleasantly concise -
description of my opinion also.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

On 9/22/2023 11:33 AM, bfh wrote:
> George.Anthony wrote:
>> Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>      Yeah, this guy is an all American hero. The only thing he cares
>>> about
>>> is his own fat ass.
>>>
>>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown in US history, calls on
>>> Republicans to let it happen again in 9 days so they can 'defund these
>>> political prosecutions against me'"
>>>
>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>>>
>>> TB
>>>
>>
>> A government shut down is always a good thing regardless of which side
>> you
>> are on.
>
> I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've been diagnosed by our
> resident psychiatrist with having problems with the English language, so
> I'll just say that's a pretty good - and pleasantly concise -
> description of my opinion also.
>

I wonder what it's like to be all-knowing, all-seeing and a Google expert?
--
NAGA Dimocrats are the diseased who are infecting the entire country
with insanity.

George.Anthony wrote:
> On 9/22/2023 11:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      Yeah, this guy is an all American hero. The only thing he
>>>> cares about
>>>> is his own fat ass.
>>>>
>>>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown in US history,
>>>> calls on
>>>> Republicans to let it happen again in 9 days so they can 'defund
>>>> these
>>>> political prosecutions against me'"
>>>>
>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TB
>>>>
>>>
>>> A government shut down is always a good thing regardless of which
>>> side you
>>> are on.
>>
>> I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've been diagnosed by
>> our resident psychiatrist with having problems with the English
>> language, so I'll just say that's a pretty good - and pleasantly
>> concise - description of my opinion also.
>>
>
> I wonder what it's like to be all-knowing, all-seeing and a Google
> expert?

I don't know. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to figure that
out, because a lot of the tools in my toolbox have been lost or stolen
- which is only part of the problem because I seem to have also
transitorily misplaced my table.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

On 9/22/2023 12:36 PM, bfh wrote:
> George.Anthony wrote:
>> On 9/22/2023 11:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>      Yeah, this guy is an all American hero. The only thing he
>>>>> cares about
>>>>> is his own fat ass.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown in US history,
>>>>> calls on
>>>>> Republicans to let it happen again in 9 days so they can 'defund these
>>>>> political prosecutions against me'"
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>>>>>
>>>>> TB
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A government shut down is always a good thing regardless of which
>>>> side you
>>>> are on.
>>>
>>> I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've been diagnosed by our
>>> resident psychiatrist with having problems with the English language,
>>> so I'll just say that's a pretty good - and pleasantly concise -
>>> description of my opinion also.
>>>
>>
>> I wonder what it's like to be all-knowing, all-seeing and a Google
>> expert?
>
> I don't know. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to figure that out,
> because a lot of the tools in my toolbox have been lost or stolen -
> which is only part of the problem because I seem to have also
> transitorily misplaced my table.
>

What!? You haven't asked LLaMA?

kmiller wrote:
> On 9/22/2023 12:36 PM, bfh wrote:
>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>> On 9/22/2023 11:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Yeah, this guy is an all American hero. The
>>>>>> only thing he cares about
>>>>>> is his own fat ass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown in US history,
>>>>>> calls on
>>>>>> Republicans to let it happen again in 9 days so they can 'defund
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> political prosecutions against me'"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A government shut down is always a good thing regardless of which
>>>>> side you
>>>>> are on.
>>>>
>>>> I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've been diagnosed by
>>>> our resident psychiatrist with having problems with the English
>>>> language, so I'll just say that's a pretty good - and pleasantly
>>>> concise - description of my opinion also.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder what it's like to be all-knowing, all-seeing and a Google
>>> expert?
>>
>> I don't know. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to figure that
>> out, because a lot of the tools in my toolbox have been lost or
>> stolen - which is only part of the problem because I seem to have
>> also transitorily misplaced my table.
>>
>
> What!? You haven't asked LLaMA?

I've become moderately disillusioned with LLaMa - it acts and performs
a lot like some Real People in here. And you should at least try to
spell its self-identified name correctly. If it should happen to crawl
RORT and see your blatant disrespect, it might go find a safe space.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

On 9/22/2023 11:29 PM, bfh wrote:
> kmiller wrote:
>> On 9/22/2023 12:36 PM, bfh wrote:
>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Yeah, this guy is an all American hero. The only
>>>>>>> thing he cares about
>>>>>>> is his own fat ass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown in US history,
>>>>>>> calls on
>>>>>>> Republicans to let it happen again in 9 days so they can 'defund
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> political prosecutions against me'"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A government shut down is always a good thing regardless of which
>>>>>> side you
>>>>>> are on.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've been diagnosed by
>>>>> our resident psychiatrist with having problems with the English
>>>>> language, so I'll just say that's a pretty good - and pleasantly
>>>>> concise - description of my opinion also.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what it's like to be all-knowing, all-seeing and a Google
>>>> expert?
>>>
>>> I don't know. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to figure that
>>> out, because a lot of the tools in my toolbox have been lost or
>>> stolen - which is only part of the problem because I seem to have
>>> also transitorily misplaced my table.
>>>
>>
>> What!? You haven't asked LLaMA?
>
> I've become moderately disillusioned with LLaMa - it acts and performs a
> lot like some Real People in here. And you should at least try to spell
> its self-identified name correctly. If it should happen to crawl RORT
> and see your blatant disrespect, it might go find a safe space.
>

As long as it doesn't cross the border illegally, it should be OK.

kmiller wrote:
> On 9/22/2023 11:29 PM, bfh wrote:
>> kmiller wrote:
>>> On 9/22/2023 12:36 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Yeah, this guy is an all
>>>>>>>> American hero. The only thing he cares about
>>>>>>>> is his own fat ass.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown in US history,
>>>>>>>> calls on
>>>>>>>> Republicans to let it happen again in 9 days so they can
>>>>>>>> 'defund these
>>>>>>>> political prosecutions against me'"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A government shut down is always a good thing regardless of
>>>>>>> which side you
>>>>>>> are on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've been diagnosed
>>>>>> by our resident psychiatrist with having problems with the
>>>>>> English language, so I'll just say that's a pretty good - and
>>>>>> pleasantly concise - description of my opinion also.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder what it's like to be all-knowing, all-seeing and a
>>>>> Google expert?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to figure
>>>> that out, because a lot of the tools in my toolbox have been lost
>>>> or stolen - which is only part of the problem because I seem to
>>>> have also transitorily misplaced my table.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What!? You haven't asked LLaMA?
>>
>> I've become moderately disillusioned with LLaMa - it acts and
>> performs a lot like some Real People in here. And you should at
>> least try to spell its self-identified name correctly. If it should
>> happen to crawl RORT and see your blatant disrespect, it might go
>> find a safe space.
>>
>
> As long as it doesn't cross the border illegally, it should be OK.

It can't cross the border - the border is secure.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

On 9/23/2023 11:58 AM, bfh wrote:
> kmiller wrote:
>> On 9/22/2023 11:29 PM, bfh wrote:
>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>> On 9/22/2023 12:36 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Yeah, this guy is an all
>>>>>>>>> American hero. The only thing he cares about
>>>>>>>>> is his own fat ass.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown in US history,
>>>>>>>>> calls on
>>>>>>>>> Republicans to let it happen again in 9 days so they can
>>>>>>>>> 'defund these
>>>>>>>>> political prosecutions against me'"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A government shut down is always a good thing regardless of
>>>>>>>> which side you
>>>>>>>> are on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've been diagnosed by
>>>>>>> our resident psychiatrist with having problems with the English
>>>>>>> language, so I'll just say that's a pretty good - and pleasantly
>>>>>>> concise - description of my opinion also.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder what it's like to be all-knowing, all-seeing and a Google
>>>>>> expert?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to figure that
>>>>> out, because a lot of the tools in my toolbox have been lost or
>>>>> stolen - which is only part of the problem because I seem to have
>>>>> also transitorily misplaced my table.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What!? You haven't asked LLaMA?
>>>
>>> I've become moderately disillusioned with LLaMa - it acts and
>>> performs a lot like some Real People in here. And you should at least
>>> try to spell its self-identified name correctly. If it should happen
>>> to crawl RORT and see your blatant disrespect, it might go find a
>>> safe space.
>>>
>>
>> As long as it doesn't cross the border illegally, it should be OK.
>
> It can't cross the border - the border is secure.
>

The border is about as secure as a whore's bra clasp.
--
Thousands of unchecked illegal aliens are crossing the border all the
while I have to get my pecker x-ray'd or get felt up by a TSA agent just
to get on an airplane.

On 9/23/2023 9:58 AM, bfh wrote:
> kmiller wrote:
>> On 9/22/2023 11:29 PM, bfh wrote:
>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>> On 9/22/2023 12:36 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Yeah, this guy is an all
>>>>>>>>> American hero. The only thing he cares about
>>>>>>>>> is his own fat ass.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown in US history,
>>>>>>>>> calls on
>>>>>>>>> Republicans to let it happen again in 9 days so they can
>>>>>>>>> 'defund these
>>>>>>>>> political prosecutions against me'"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A government shut down is always a good thing regardless of
>>>>>>>> which side you
>>>>>>>> are on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've been diagnosed by
>>>>>>> our resident psychiatrist with having problems with the English
>>>>>>> language, so I'll just say that's a pretty good - and pleasantly
>>>>>>> concise - description of my opinion also.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder what it's like to be all-knowing, all-seeing and a Google
>>>>>> expert?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to figure that
>>>>> out, because a lot of the tools in my toolbox have been lost or
>>>>> stolen - which is only part of the problem because I seem to have
>>>>> also transitorily misplaced my table.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What!? You haven't asked LLaMA?
>>>
>>> I've become moderately disillusioned with LLaMa - it acts and
>>> performs a lot like some Real People in here. And you should at least
>>> try to spell its self-identified name correctly. If it should happen
>>> to crawl RORT and see your blatant disrespect, it might go find a
>>> safe space.
>>>
>>
>> As long as it doesn't cross the border illegally, it should be OK.
>
> It can't cross the border - the border is secure.
>

Of course it is. Look at all the work the retrumplicans are doing in
Congress to secure it. Oh, wait. HqwHawHaw!

kmiller wrote:
> On 9/23/2023 9:58 AM, bfh wrote:
>> kmiller wrote:
>>> On 9/22/2023 11:29 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>> On 9/22/2023 12:36 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbarian@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    ÂÂÂÂ
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, this guy is an all American hero. The only thing he
>>>>>>>>>> cares about
>>>>>>>>>> is his own fat ass.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown in US
>>>>>>>>>> history, calls on
>>>>>>>>>> Republicans to let it happen again in 9 days so they can
>>>>>>>>>> 'defund these
>>>>>>>>>> political prosecutions against me'"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A government shut down is always a good thing regardless of
>>>>>>>>> which side you
>>>>>>>>> are on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've been diagnosed
>>>>>>>> by our resident psychiatrist with having problems with the
>>>>>>>> English language, so I'll just say that's a pretty good - and
>>>>>>>> pleasantly concise - description of my opinion also.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder what it's like to be all-knowing, all-seeing and a
>>>>>>> Google expert?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to figure
>>>>>> that out, because a lot of the tools in my toolbox have been
>>>>>> lost or stolen - which is only part of the problem because I
>>>>>> seem to have also transitorily misplaced my table.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What!? You haven't asked LLaMA?
>>>>
>>>> I've become moderately disillusioned with LLaMa - it acts and
>>>> performs a lot like some Real People in here. And you should at
>>>> least try to spell its self-identified name correctly. If it
>>>> should happen to crawl RORT and see your blatant disrespect, it
>>>> might go find a safe space.
>>>>
>>>
>>> As long as it doesn't cross the border illegally, it should be OK.
>>
>> It can't cross the border - the border is secure.
>>
>
> Of course it is. Look at all the work the retrumplicans are doing in
> Congress to secure it. Oh, wait. HqwHawHaw!

HawHawHaw!

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 7:48:01 PM UTC-7, kmiller wrote:
> On 9/23/2023 9:58 AM, bfh wrote:
> > kmiller wrote:
> >> On 9/22/2023 11:29 PM, bfh wrote:
> >>> kmiller wrote:
> >>>> On 9/22/2023 12:36 PM, bfh wrote:
> >>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
> >>>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:33 AM, bfh wrote:
> >>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>     Yeah, this guy is an all
> >>>>>>>>> American hero. The only thing he cares about
> >>>>>>>>> is his own fat ass.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown in US history,
> >>>>>>>>> calls on
> >>>>>>>>> Republicans to let it happen again in 9 days so they can
> >>>>>>>>> 'defund these
> >>>>>>>>> political prosecutions against me'"
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> TB
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A government shut down is always a good thing regardless of
> >>>>>>>> which side you
> >>>>>>>> are on.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've been diagnosed by
> >>>>>>> our resident psychiatrist with having problems with the English
> >>>>>>> language, so I'll just say that's a pretty good - and pleasantly
> >>>>>>> concise - description of my opinion also.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I wonder what it's like to be all-knowing, all-seeing and a Google
> >>>>>> expert?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't know. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to figure that
> >>>>> out, because a lot of the tools in my toolbox have been lost or
> >>>>> stolen - which is only part of the problem because I seem to have
> >>>>> also transitorily misplaced my table.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> What!? You haven't asked LLaMA?
> >>>
> >>> I've become moderately disillusioned with LLaMa - it acts and
> >>> performs a lot like some Real People in here. And you should at least
> >>> try to spell its self-identified name correctly. If it should happen
> >>> to crawl RORT and see your blatant disrespect, it might go find a
> >>> safe space.
> >>>
> >>
> >> As long as it doesn't cross the border illegally, it should be OK.
> >
> > It can't cross the border - the border is secure.
> >
> Of course it is. Look at all the work the retrumplicans are doing in
> Congress to secure it. Oh, wait. HqwHawHaw!

It's not like the retrumplicans haven't done anything. They have been grandstanding on the issue with a border bill that has no chance of passing. As usual they can't find any way to find common ground with the Democrats, so they just stand by and wring their hands. Shit, if they compromise it might look like Biden won one.

"May 11, 2023
House Republicans pushed through a sweeping border security bill on Thursday that would crack down on unlawful immigration, blowing past solid Democratic opposition and narrowly avoiding an embarrassing mutiny within their own ranks on one of their signature midterm campaign promises.

Republicans timed approval of the measure, which has no chance in the Democratic-led Senate, to spotlight their hard-line stance on immigration just as President Biden is facing a potential border surge with Thursday night’s expiration of Title 42, the pandemic-era rule allowing for swift expulsion of migrants.

The bill would revive and codify a variety of border policies championed during the Trump administration, including construction of a border wall, the “Remain in Mexico” practice of keeping migrants seeking asylum either in detention facilities or on the opposite side of the border and expedited deportation of unaccompanied children. It also would mandate that companies verify their employees are legally eligible to work in the United States through a program known as E-Verify, and criminalize visa overstays of more than 10 days.

The 219-to-213 vote to pass the bill came only after months of internal Republican feuding capped by a final, marathon round of haggling this week that highlighted the party’s tenuous hold on its fractious majority and led to a series of last-minute changes to win over holdouts. Two Republicans, Representatives Thomas Massie of Kentucky and John Duarte of California, joined Democrats in opposing the legislation, citing objections to the E-Verify requirement.

The Republican divisions had threatened to muddle a debate the party had timed for maximum political advantage, in which G.O.P. lawmakers denounced the Biden administration for rising waves of migration that are expected to surge further after Title 42 expires."

"https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/11/us/politics/house-republicans-immigration-bill.html"

There are at least a couple of things worth noting here. For many years the majority of our undocumented immigrants are people who entered the country legally and overstayed their visa.

The number of undocumented immigrants in this country has been relatively stable for a long time at around 12 million people.

TB

On 9/24/2023 10:10 AM, TechnoBoob wrote:

> The number of undocumented immigrants in this country has been relatively stable for a long time at around 12 million people.

And next, the Boob will tell us pigs can fly!

sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
> On 9/24/2023 10:10 AM, TechnoBoob wrote:
>
>> The number of undocumented immigrants in this country has been
>> relatively stable for a long time at around 12 million people.
>
> And next, the Boob will tell us pigs can fly!
>

The king of google strikes again. If they are “undocumented” illegals (not
immigrants) how does anyone know how many there are. Also, unless they are
dying at an alarming rate after they get here, how can the numbers not be
increasing? They are pouring over the border like water over a failed dam.

I can’t believe liberals are that ignorant. Especially the self-described
all-seeing, all-knowing, all googling, Señor smoke and mirrors.

--
One out of three Biden voters is just as clueless as the other two.

On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 9:42:36 AM UTC-7, sticks wrote:
> On 9/24/2023 10:10 AM, TechnoBoob wrote:
>
> > The number of undocumented immigrants in this country has been relatively stable for a long time at around 12 million people.
> And next, the Boob will tell us pigs can fly!

I'm getting lazy in my old age. I used to provide links to all my sources right up front. As it turns out that's more information than most dweebs want. I get a lot of complaints about my cut and paste style. Oh well, you can't please everyone. This is my source:

https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey

Late in the last century I used to be a regular participant in discussions of these issues on alt.mexico. I enjoyed it because we got a nice mix of Mexicans and immigration hardliners. Before I became familiar with the border I was pretty much a hardliner myself. I still am in many ways. But, not as hardline as the people who wanted to use landmines and machine guns to secure the border. The hardliners pointed me to numbers, with sources, that were probably more accurate than the one I was using at the time. IIRC that number was around 12 million.

One of the fun things about the CIS estimate is the big dip from 2019 until 2021. And then the dip filled back in very quickly, without most of us noticing any change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3yHL9RXlRM

TB

Technobarbarian wrote:
> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 7:48:01 PM UTC-7, kmiller
> wrote:
>> On 9/23/2023 9:58 AM, bfh wrote:
>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:29 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 12:36 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  ÂÂÂ
>>>>>>>>>>>   Yeah,
>>>>>>>>>>> this guy is an all American hero. The only
>>>>>>>>>>> thing he cares about is his own fat ass.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown
>>>>>>>>>>> in US history, calls on Republicans to let it
>>>>>>>>>>> happen again in 9 days so they can 'defund
>>>>>>>>>>> these political prosecutions against me'"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
TB
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A government shut down is always a good thing
>>>>>>>>>> regardless of which side you are on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've
>>>>>>>>> been diagnosed by our resident psychiatrist with
>>>>>>>>> having problems with the English language, so I'll
>>>>>>>>> just say that's a pretty good - and pleasantly
>>>>>>>>> concise - description of my opinion also.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder what it's like to be all-knowing, all-seeing
>>>>>>>> and a Google expert?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to
>>>>>>> figure that out, because a lot of the tools in my
>>>>>>> toolbox have been lost or stolen - which is only part
>>>>>>> of the problem because I seem to have also transitorily
>>>>>>> misplaced my table.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What!? You haven't asked LLaMA?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've become moderately disillusioned with LLaMa - it acts
>>>>> and performs a lot like some Real People in here. And you
>>>>> should at least try to spell its self-identified name
>>>>> correctly. If it should happen to crawl RORT and see your
>>>>> blatant disrespect, it might go find a safe space.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As long as it doesn't cross the border illegally, it should
>>>> be OK.
>>>
>>> It can't cross the border - the border is secure.
>>>
>> Of course it is. Look at all the work the retrumplicans are doing
>> in Congress to secure it. Oh, wait. HqwHawHaw!
>
> It's not like the retrumplicans haven't done anything. They have
> been grandstanding on the issue with a border bill that has no
> chance of passing. As usual they can't find any way to find common
> ground with the Democrats, so they just stand by and wring their
> hands. Shit, if they compromise it might look like Biden won one.
>
> "May 11, 2023 House Republicans pushed through a sweeping border
> security bill on Thursday that would crack down on unlawful
> immigration, blowing past solid Democratic opposition and narrowly
> avoiding an embarrassing mutiny within their own ranks on one of
> their signature midterm campaign promises.
>
> Republicans timed approval of the measure, which has no chance in
> the Democratic-led Senate, to spotlight their hard-line stance on
> immigration just as President Biden is facing a potential border
> surge with Thursday night’s expiration of Title 42, the
> pandemic-era rule allowing for swift expulsion of migrants.
>
> The bill would revive and codify a variety of border policies
> championed during the Trump administration, including construction
> of a border wall, the “Remain in Mexico” practice of keeping
> migrants seeking asylum either in detention facilities or on the
> opposite side of the border and expedited deportation of
> unaccompanied children. It also would mandate that companies verify
> their employees are legally eligible to work in the United States
> through a program known as E-Verify, and criminalize visa overstays
> of more than 10 days.
>
> The 219-to-213 vote to pass the bill came only after months of
> internal Republican feuding capped by a final, marathon round of
> haggling this week that highlighted the party’s tenuous hold on
> its fractious majority and led to a series of last-minute changes
> to win over holdouts. Two Republicans, Representatives Thomas
> Massie of Kentucky and John Duarte of California, joined Democrats
> in opposing the legislation, citing objections to the E-Verify
> requirement.
>
> The Republican divisions had threatened to muddle a debate the
> party had timed for maximum political advantage, in which G.O.P.
> lawmakers denounced the Biden administration for rising waves of
> migration that are expected to surge further after Title 42
> expires."
>
> "https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/11/us/politics/house-republicans-immigration-bill.html"
>
> There are at least a couple of things worth noting here. For many
> years the majority of our undocumented immigrants are people who
> entered the country legally and overstayed their visa.
>
> The number of undocumented immigrants in this country has been
> relatively stable for a long time at around 12 million people.

Yeah, right. That's why even Democrat mayors and governors are
starting to complain and ask for money?

Then there's this:
----------------------------------------------------------------
...
Figure 3. There is a lot of variation from month to month, but the
foreign-born population grew much more slowly during Trump's
presidency than during Obama's or Biden's. (January 2010 to February
2022, in millions)
...
Conclusion

We estimate that in January 2019, the number of illegal immigrants in
the country was 11.48 million, similar to DHS’s estimate of 11.39
million for 2018. By January 2021, we estimate the number had dropped
to 10.22 million as a result of travel restrictions and other policies
imposed as a result of Covid-19 and perhaps the deterioration in the
U.S. economy. The number then rebounded to 11.35 million by January
2022 — a 1.13 million increase since President Biden took office at
the beginning of 2021. This means that growth in the illegal immigrant
population accounted for very roughly two-thirds of the 1.6 million
increase in the total foreign-born population (legal and illegal
immigrants together) in President Biden’s first year in office
(January 2021 to January 2022). The share of growth in the total
foreign-born population accounted for by illegal immigrants is even
larger if we compare the number in January 2021 to our preliminary
February 2022 estimate of 11.46 million. What’s more, the total
foreign-born population reached 46.7 million in February of this year,
a new record high in American history.

While the large swings in the illegal-immigrant population may seem
unlikely, we find indirect evidence in the monthly CPS that the number
of illegal immigrants fell between 2019 and 2021 and then grew
dramatically by 2022. The number of both non-citizens and non-citizen
Hispanics declined then rebounded over this time period. Changes in
these populations should be highly correlated with trends in the
illegal-immigrant population. We think the recent increase in illegal
immigrants reflects policy changes by the Biden administration and the
lessening of the Covid-19 pandemic, as well as the recovery of the
economy.
------------------------------------------------------
https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey

On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 10:11:46 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:
> sticks <wolve...@charter.net> wrote:
> > On 9/24/2023 10:10 AM, TechnoBoob wrote:
> >
> >> The number of undocumented immigrants in this country has been
> >> relatively stable for a long time at around 12 million people.
> >
> > And next, the Boob will tell us pigs can fly!
> >
> The king of google strikes again. If they are “undocumented” illegals (not
> immigrants) how does anyone know how many there are. Also, unless they are
> dying at an alarming rate after they get here, how can the numbers not be
> increasing? They are pouring over the border like water over a failed dam..
>
> I can’t believe liberals are that ignorant. Especially the self-described
> all-seeing, all-knowing, all googling, Señor smoke and mirrors.
>
Are you the boob?

On 9/24/2023 12:47 PM, bfh wrote:
> Technobarbarian wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 7:48:01 PM UTC-7, kmiller
>> wrote:
>>> On 9/23/2023 9:58 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:29 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 12:36 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  ÂÂÂ
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Yeah,
>>>>>>>>>>>> this guy is an all American hero. The only
>>>>>>>>>>>> thing he cares about is his own fat ass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown
>>>>>>>>>>>> in US history, calls on Republicans to let it
>>>>>>>>>>>> happen again in 9 days so they can 'defund
>>>>>>>>>>>> these political prosecutions against me'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> TB
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A government shut down is always a good thing
>>>>>>>>>>> regardless of which side you are on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've
>>>>>>>>>> been diagnosed by our resident psychiatrist with
>>>>>>>>>> having problems with the English language, so I'll
>>>>>>>>>> just say that's a pretty good - and pleasantly concise -
>>>>>>>>>> description of my opinion also.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wonder what it's like to be all-knowing, all-seeing
>>>>>>>>> and a Google expert?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to
>>>>>>>> figure that out, because a lot of the tools in my
>>>>>>>> toolbox have been lost or stolen - which is only part
>>>>>>>> of the problem because I seem to have also transitorily
>>>>>>>> misplaced my table.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What!? You haven't asked LLaMA?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've become moderately disillusioned with LLaMa - it acts
>>>>>> and performs a lot like some Real People in here. And you
>>>>>> should at least try to spell its self-identified name
>>>>>> correctly. If it should happen to crawl RORT and see your
>>>>>> blatant disrespect, it might go find a safe space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as it doesn't cross the border illegally, it should
>>>>> be OK.
>>>>
>>>> It can't cross the border - the border is secure.
>>>>
>>> Of course it is. Look at all the work the retrumplicans are doing
>>> in Congress to secure it. Oh, wait. HqwHawHaw!
>>
>> It's not like the retrumplicans haven't done anything. They have
>> been grandstanding on the issue with a border bill that has no
>> chance of passing. As usual they can't find any way to find common
>> ground with the Democrats, so they just stand by and wring their
>> hands. Shit, if they compromise it might look like Biden won one.
>>
>> "May 11, 2023 House Republicans pushed through a sweeping border
>> security bill on Thursday that would crack down on unlawful
>> immigration, blowing past solid Democratic opposition and narrowly
>> avoiding an embarrassing mutiny within their own ranks on one of
>> their signature midterm campaign promises.
>>
>> Republicans timed approval of the measure, which has no chance in
>> the Democratic-led Senate, to spotlight their hard-line stance on
>> immigration just as President Biden is facing a potential border
>> surge with Thursday night’s expiration of Title 42, the
>> pandemic-era rule allowing for swift expulsion of migrants.
>>
>> The bill would revive and codify a variety of border policies
>> championed during the Trump administration, including construction
>> of a border wall, the “Remain in Mexico” practice of keeping
>> migrants seeking asylum either in detention facilities or on the
>> opposite side of the border and expedited deportation of
>> unaccompanied children. It also would mandate that companies verify
>> their employees are legally eligible to work in the United States
>> through a program known as E-Verify, and criminalize visa overstays
>> of more than 10 days.
>>
>> The 219-to-213 vote to pass the bill came only after months of
>> internal Republican feuding capped by a final, marathon round of
>> haggling this week that highlighted the party’s tenuous hold on
>> its fractious majority and led to a series of last-minute changes
>> to win over holdouts. Two Republicans, Representatives Thomas
>> Massie of Kentucky and John Duarte of California, joined Democrats
>> in opposing the legislation, citing objections to the E-Verify
>> requirement.
>>
>> The Republican divisions had threatened to muddle a debate the
>> party had timed for maximum political advantage, in which G.O.P.
>> lawmakers denounced the Biden administration for rising waves of
>> migration that are expected to surge further after Title 42
>> expires."
>>
>> "https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/11/us/politics/house-republicans-immigration-bill.html"
>>
>>  There are at least a couple of things worth noting here. For many
>> years the majority of our undocumented immigrants are people who
>> entered the country legally and overstayed their visa.
>>
>> The number of undocumented immigrants in this country has been
>> relatively stable for a long time at around 12 million people.
>
> Yeah, right. That's why even Democrat mayors and governors are starting
> to complain and ask for money?
>
> Then there's this:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> ...
> Figure 3. There is a lot of variation from month to month, but the
> foreign-born population grew much more slowly during Trump's presidency
> than during Obama's or Biden's. (January 2010 to February 2022, in
> millions)
> ...
> Conclusion
>
> We estimate that in January 2019, the number of illegal immigrants in
> the country was 11.48 million, similar to DHS’s estimate of 11.39
> million for 2018. By January 2021, we estimate the number had dropped to
> 10.22 million as a result of travel restrictions and other policies
> imposed as a result of Covid-19 and perhaps the deterioration in the
> U.S. economy. The number then rebounded to 11.35 million by January 2022
> — a 1.13 million increase since President Biden took office at the
> beginning of 2021. This means that growth in the illegal immigrant
> population accounted for very roughly two-thirds of the 1.6 million
> increase in the total foreign-born population (legal and illegal
> immigrants together) in President Biden’s first year in office (January
> 2021 to January 2022). The share of growth in the total foreign-born
> population accounted for by illegal immigrants is even larger if we
> compare the number in January 2021 to our preliminary February 2022
> estimate of 11.46 million. What’s more, the total foreign-born
> population reached 46.7 million in February of this year, a new record
> high in American history.
>
> While the large swings in the illegal-immigrant population may seem
> unlikely, we find indirect evidence in the monthly CPS that the number
> of illegal immigrants fell between 2019 and 2021 and then grew
> dramatically by 2022. The number of both non-citizens and non-citizen
> Hispanics declined then rebounded over this time period. Changes in
> these populations should be highly correlated with trends in the
> illegal-immigrant population. We think the recent increase in illegal
> immigrants reflects policy changes by the Biden administration and the
> lessening of the Covid-19 pandemic, as well as the recovery of the economy.
> ------------------------------------------------------
> https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
>

On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:24:01 PM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:
> On 9/24/2023 12:47 PM, bfh wrote:
> > Technobarbarian wrote:
> >> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 7:48:01 PM UTC-7, kmiller
> >> wrote:
> >>> On 9/23/2023 9:58 AM, bfh wrote:
> >>>> kmiller wrote:
> >>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:29 PM, bfh wrote:
> >>>>>> kmiller wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 12:36 PM, bfh wrote:
> >>>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:33 AM, bfh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  ÂÂÂ
> >>>>>>>>>>>>   Yeah,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> this guy is an all American hero. The only
> >>>>>>>>>>>> thing he cares about is his own fat ass.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in US history, calls on Republicans to let it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> happen again in 9 days so they can 'defund
> >>>>>>>>>>>> these political prosecutions against me'"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > TB
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> A government shut down is always a good thing
> >>>>>>>>>>> regardless of which side you are on.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've
> >>>>>>>>>> been diagnosed by our resident psychiatrist with
> >>>>>>>>>> having problems with the English language, so I'll
> >>>>>>>>>> just say that's a pretty good - and pleasantly concise -
> >>>>>>>>>> description of my opinion also.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I wonder what it's like to be all-knowing, all-seeing
> >>>>>>>>> and a Google expert?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't know. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to
> >>>>>>>> figure that out, because a lot of the tools in my
> >>>>>>>> toolbox have been lost or stolen - which is only part
> >>>>>>>> of the problem because I seem to have also transitorily
> >>>>>>>> misplaced my table.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What!? You haven't asked LLaMA?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've become moderately disillusioned with LLaMa - it acts
> >>>>>> and performs a lot like some Real People in here. And you
> >>>>>> should at least try to spell its self-identified name
> >>>>>> correctly. If it should happen to crawl RORT and see your
> >>>>>> blatant disrespect, it might go find a safe space.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As long as it doesn't cross the border illegally, it should
> >>>>> be OK.
> >>>>
> >>>> It can't cross the border - the border is secure.
> >>>>
> >>> Of course it is. Look at all the work the retrumplicans are doing
> >>> in Congress to secure it. Oh, wait. HqwHawHaw!
> >>
> >> It's not like the retrumplicans haven't done anything. They have
> >> been grandstanding on the issue with a border bill that has no
> >> chance of passing. As usual they can't find any way to find common
> >> ground with the Democrats, so they just stand by and wring their
> >> hands. Shit, if they compromise it might look like Biden won one.
> >>
> >> "May 11, 2023 House Republicans pushed through a sweeping border
> >> security bill on Thursday that would crack down on unlawful
> >> immigration, blowing past solid Democratic opposition and narrowly
> >> avoiding an embarrassing mutiny within their own ranks on one of
> >> their signature midterm campaign promises.
> >>
> >> Republicans timed approval of the measure, which has no chance in
> >> the Democratic-led Senate, to spotlight their hard-line stance on
> >> immigration just as President Biden is facing a potential border
> >> surge with Thursday night’s expiration of Title 42, the
> >> pandemic-era rule allowing for swift expulsion of migrants.
> >>
> >> The bill would revive and codify a variety of border policies
> >> championed during the Trump administration, including construction
> >> of a border wall, the “Remain in Mexico†practice of keeping
> >> migrants seeking asylum either in detention facilities or on the
> >> opposite side of the border and expedited deportation of
> >> unaccompanied children. It also would mandate that companies verify
> >> their employees are legally eligible to work in the United States
> >> through a program known as E-Verify, and criminalize visa overstays
> >> of more than 10 days.
> >>
> >> The 219-to-213 vote to pass the bill came only after months of
> >> internal Republican feuding capped by a final, marathon round of
> >> haggling this week that highlighted the party’s tenuous hold on
> >> its fractious majority and led to a series of last-minute changes
> >> to win over holdouts. Two Republicans, Representatives Thomas
> >> Massie of Kentucky and John Duarte of California, joined Democrats
> >> in opposing the legislation, citing objections to the E-Verify
> >> requirement.
> >>
> >> The Republican divisions had threatened to muddle a debate the
> >> party had timed for maximum political advantage, in which G.O.P.
> >> lawmakers denounced the Biden administration for rising waves of
> >> migration that are expected to surge further after Title 42
> >> expires."
> >>
> >> "https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/11/us/politics/house-republicans-immigration-bill.html"
> >>
> >> There are at least a couple of things worth noting here. For many
> >> years the majority of our undocumented immigrants are people who
> >> entered the country legally and overstayed their visa.
> >>
> >> The number of undocumented immigrants in this country has been
> >> relatively stable for a long time at around 12 million people.
> >
> > Yeah, right. That's why even Democrat mayors and governors are starting
> > to complain and ask for money?
> >
> > Then there's this:
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > ...
> > Figure 3. There is a lot of variation from month to month, but the
> > foreign-born population grew much more slowly during Trump's presidency
> > than during Obama's or Biden's. (January 2010 to February 2022, in
> > millions)
> > ...
> > Conclusion
> >
> > We estimate that in January 2019, the number of illegal immigrants in
> > the country was 11.48 million, similar to DHS’s estimate of 11.39
> > million for 2018. By January 2021, we estimate the number had dropped to
> > 10.22 million as a result of travel restrictions and other policies
> > imposed as a result of Covid-19 and perhaps the deterioration in the
> > U.S. economy. The number then rebounded to 11.35 million by January 2022
> > — a 1.13 million increase since President Biden took office at the
> > beginning of 2021. This means that growth in the illegal immigrant
> > population accounted for very roughly two-thirds of the 1.6 million
> > increase in the total foreign-born population (legal and illegal
> > immigrants together) in President Biden’s first year in office (January
> > 2021 to January 2022). The share of growth in the total foreign-born
> > population accounted for by illegal immigrants is even larger if we
> > compare the number in January 2021 to our preliminary February 2022
> > estimate of 11.46 million. What’s more, the total foreign-born
> > population reached 46.7 million in February of this year, a new record
> > high in American history.
> >
> > While the large swings in the illegal-immigrant population may seem
> > unlikely, we find indirect evidence in the monthly CPS that the number
> > of illegal immigrants fell between 2019 and 2021 and then grew
> > dramatically by 2022. The number of both non-citizens and non-citizen
> > Hispanics declined then rebounded over this time period. Changes in
> > these populations should be highly correlated with trends in the
> > illegal-immigrant population. We think the recent increase in illegal
> > immigrants reflects policy changes by the Biden administration and the
> > lessening of the Covid-19 pandemic, as well as the recovery of the economy.
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
> >
> Well, you just sent Captain Google scrambling for something he can rebut
> with. I still say it's impossible to know the number of undocumented
> alien democrat voters in this country. Estimates are just that and it
> depends on who is doing the estimating. Of course the libs' estimate
> will be lower or unchanging over the years but anyone with half a brain
> knows that's impossible... just over the past two years.
> --
> Thousands of unchecked illegal aliens are crossing the border all the
> while I have to get my pecker x-ray'd or get felt up by a TSA agent just
> to get on an airplane.

On 9/24/2023 10:47 AM, bfh wrote:
> Technobarbarian wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 7:48:01 PM UTC-7, kmiller
>> wrote:
>>> On 9/23/2023 9:58 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:29 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 12:36 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  ÂÂÂ
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Yeah,
>>>>>>>>>>>> this guy is an all American hero. The only
>>>>>>>>>>>> thing he cares about is his own fat ass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown
>>>>>>>>>>>> in US history, calls on Republicans to let it
>>>>>>>>>>>> happen again in 9 days so they can 'defund
>>>>>>>>>>>> these political prosecutions against me'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> TB
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A government shut down is always a good thing
>>>>>>>>>>> regardless of which side you are on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've
>>>>>>>>>> been diagnosed by our resident psychiatrist with
>>>>>>>>>> having problems with the English language, so I'll
>>>>>>>>>> just say that's a pretty good - and pleasantly concise -
>>>>>>>>>> description of my opinion also.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wonder what it's like to be all-knowing, all-seeing
>>>>>>>>> and a Google expert?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to
>>>>>>>> figure that out, because a lot of the tools in my
>>>>>>>> toolbox have been lost or stolen - which is only part
>>>>>>>> of the problem because I seem to have also transitorily
>>>>>>>> misplaced my table.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What!? You haven't asked LLaMA?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've become moderately disillusioned with LLaMa - it acts
>>>>>> and performs a lot like some Real People in here. And you
>>>>>> should at least try to spell its self-identified name
>>>>>> correctly. If it should happen to crawl RORT and see your
>>>>>> blatant disrespect, it might go find a safe space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as it doesn't cross the border illegally, it should
>>>>> be OK.
>>>>
>>>> It can't cross the border - the border is secure.
>>>>
>>> Of course it is. Look at all the work the retrumplicans are doing
>>> in Congress to secure it. Oh, wait. HqwHawHaw!
>>
>> It's not like the retrumplicans haven't done anything. They have
>> been grandstanding on the issue with a border bill that has no
>> chance of passing. As usual they can't find any way to find common
>> ground with the Democrats, so they just stand by and wring their
>> hands. Shit, if they compromise it might look like Biden won one.
>>
>> "May 11, 2023 House Republicans pushed through a sweeping border
>> security bill on Thursday that would crack down on unlawful
>> immigration, blowing past solid Democratic opposition and narrowly
>> avoiding an embarrassing mutiny within their own ranks on one of
>> their signature midterm campaign promises.
>>
>> Republicans timed approval of the measure, which has no chance in
>> the Democratic-led Senate, to spotlight their hard-line stance on
>> immigration just as President Biden is facing a potential border
>> surge with Thursday night’s expiration of Title 42, the
>> pandemic-era rule allowing for swift expulsion of migrants.
>>
>> The bill would revive and codify a variety of border policies
>> championed during the Trump administration, including construction
>> of a border wall, the “Remain in Mexico” practice of keeping
>> migrants seeking asylum either in detention facilities or on the
>> opposite side of the border and expedited deportation of
>> unaccompanied children. It also would mandate that companies verify
>> their employees are legally eligible to work in the United States
>> through a program known as E-Verify, and criminalize visa overstays
>> of more than 10 days.
>>
>> The 219-to-213 vote to pass the bill came only after months of
>> internal Republican feuding capped by a final, marathon round of
>> haggling this week that highlighted the party’s tenuous hold on
>> its fractious majority and led to a series of last-minute changes
>> to win over holdouts. Two Republicans, Representatives Thomas
>> Massie of Kentucky and John Duarte of California, joined Democrats
>> in opposing the legislation, citing objections to the E-Verify
>> requirement.
>>
>> The Republican divisions had threatened to muddle a debate the
>> party had timed for maximum political advantage, in which G.O.P.
>> lawmakers denounced the Biden administration for rising waves of
>> migration that are expected to surge further after Title 42
>> expires."
>>
>> "https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/11/us/politics/house-republicans-immigration-bill.html"
>>
>>  There are at least a couple of things worth noting here. For many
>> years the majority of our undocumented immigrants are people who
>> entered the country legally and overstayed their visa.
>>
>> The number of undocumented immigrants in this country has been
>> relatively stable for a long time at around 12 million people.
>
> Yeah, right. That's why even Democrat mayors and governors are starting
> to complain and ask for money?
>
> Then there's this:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> ...
> Figure 3. There is a lot of variation from month to month, but the
> foreign-born population grew much more slowly during Trump's presidency
> than during Obama's or Biden's. (January 2010 to February 2022, in
> millions)
> ...
> Conclusion
>
> We estimate that in January 2019, the number of illegal immigrants in
> the country was 11.48 million, similar to DHS’s estimate of 11.39
> million for 2018. By January 2021, we estimate the number had dropped to
> 10.22 million as a result of travel restrictions and other policies
> imposed as a result of Covid-19 and perhaps the deterioration in the
> U.S. economy. The number then rebounded to 11.35 million by January 2022
> — a 1.13 million increase since President Biden took office at the
> beginning of 2021. This means that growth in the illegal immigrant
> population accounted for very roughly two-thirds of the 1.6 million
> increase in the total foreign-born population (legal and illegal
> immigrants together) in President Biden’s first year in office (January
> 2021 to January 2022). The share of growth in the total foreign-born
> population accounted for by illegal immigrants is even larger if we
> compare the number in January 2021 to our preliminary February 2022
> estimate of 11.46 million. What’s more, the total foreign-born
> population reached 46.7 million in February of this year, a new record
> high in American history.
>
> While the large swings in the illegal-immigrant population may seem
> unlikely, we find indirect evidence in the monthly CPS that the number
> of illegal immigrants fell between 2019 and 2021 and then grew
> dramatically by 2022. The number of both non-citizens and non-citizen
> Hispanics declined then rebounded over this time period. Changes in
> these populations should be highly correlated with trends in the
> illegal-immigrant population. We think the recent increase in illegal
> immigrants reflects policy changes by the Biden administration and the
> lessening of the Covid-19 pandemic, as well as the recovery of the economy.
> ------------------------------------------------------
> https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
>

On 9/24/2023 5:02 PM, Don Lampson wrote:
> On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:24:01 PM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:
>> On 9/24/2023 12:47 PM, bfh wrote:
>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 7:48:01 PM UTC-7, kmiller
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/23/2023 9:58 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:29 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 12:36 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/2023 11:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ÂÂÂ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Yeah,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this guy is an all American hero. The only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing he cares about is his own fat ass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trump, who led the longest government shutdown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in US history, calls on Republicans to let it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen again in 9 days so they can 'defund
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these political prosecutions against me'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-longest-government-shutdown-tells-gop-meet-funding-deadline-prosecutions-2023-9
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> TB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A government shut down is always a good thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regardless of which side you are on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't articulate my own opinion, because I've
>>>>>>>>>>>> been diagnosed by our resident psychiatrist with
>>>>>>>>>>>> having problems with the English language, so I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>> just say that's a pretty good - and pleasantly concise -
>>>>>>>>>>>> description of my opinion also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder what it's like to be all-knowing, all-seeing
>>>>>>>>>>> and a Google expert?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know. I'm not smart enough to figure out how to
>>>>>>>>>> figure that out, because a lot of the tools in my
>>>>>>>>>> toolbox have been lost or stolen - which is only part
>>>>>>>>>> of the problem because I seem to have also transitorily
>>>>>>>>>> misplaced my table.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What!? You haven't asked LLaMA?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've become moderately disillusioned with LLaMa - it acts
>>>>>>>> and performs a lot like some Real People in here. And you
>>>>>>>> should at least try to spell its self-identified name
>>>>>>>> correctly. If it should happen to crawl RORT and see your
>>>>>>>> blatant disrespect, it might go find a safe space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As long as it doesn't cross the border illegally, it should
>>>>>>> be OK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It can't cross the border - the border is secure.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Of course it is. Look at all the work the retrumplicans are doing
>>>>> in Congress to secure it. Oh, wait. HqwHawHaw!
>>>>
>>>> It's not like the retrumplicans haven't done anything. They have
>>>> been grandstanding on the issue with a border bill that has no
>>>> chance of passing. As usual they can't find any way to find common
>>>> ground with the Democrats, so they just stand by and wring their
>>>> hands. Shit, if they compromise it might look like Biden won one.
>>>>
>>>> "May 11, 2023 House Republicans pushed through a sweeping border
>>>> security bill on Thursday that would crack down on unlawful
>>>> immigration, blowing past solid Democratic opposition and narrowly
>>>> avoiding an embarrassing mutiny within their own ranks on one of
>>>> their signature midterm campaign promises.
>>>>
>>>> Republicans timed approval of the measure, which has no chance in
>>>> the Democratic-led Senate, to spotlight their hard-line stance on
>>>> immigration just as President Biden is facing a potential border
>>>> surge with Thursday night’s expiration of Title 42, the
>>>> pandemic-era rule allowing for swift expulsion of migrants.
>>>>
>>>> The bill would revive and codify a variety of border policies
>>>> championed during the Trump administration, including construction
>>>> of a border wall, the “Remain in Mexico†practice of keeping
>>>> migrants seeking asylum either in detention facilities or on the
>>>> opposite side of the border and expedited deportation of
>>>> unaccompanied children. It also would mandate that companies verify
>>>> their employees are legally eligible to work in the United States
>>>> through a program known as E-Verify, and criminalize visa overstays
>>>> of more than 10 days.
>>>>
>>>> The 219-to-213 vote to pass the bill came only after months of
>>>> internal Republican feuding capped by a final, marathon round of
>>>> haggling this week that highlighted the party’s tenuous hold on
>>>> its fractious majority and led to a series of last-minute changes
>>>> to win over holdouts. Two Republicans, Representatives Thomas
>>>> Massie of Kentucky and John Duarte of California, joined Democrats
>>>> in opposing the legislation, citing objections to the E-Verify
>>>> requirement.
>>>>
>>>> The Republican divisions had threatened to muddle a debate the
>>>> party had timed for maximum political advantage, in which G.O.P.
>>>> lawmakers denounced the Biden administration for rising waves of
>>>> migration that are expected to surge further after Title 42
>>>> expires."
>>>>
>>>> "https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/11/us/politics/house-republicans-immigration-bill.html"
>>>>
>>>> There are at least a couple of things worth noting here. For many
>>>> years the majority of our undocumented immigrants are people who
>>>> entered the country legally and overstayed their visa.
>>>>
>>>> The number of undocumented immigrants in this country has been
>>>> relatively stable for a long time at around 12 million people.
>>>
>>> Yeah, right. That's why even Democrat mayors and governors are starting
>>> to complain and ask for money?
>>>
>>> Then there's this:
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ...
>>> Figure 3. There is a lot of variation from month to month, but the
>>> foreign-born population grew much more slowly during Trump's presidency
>>> than during Obama's or Biden's. (January 2010 to February 2022, in
>>> millions)
>>> ...
>>> Conclusion
>>>
>>> We estimate that in January 2019, the number of illegal immigrants in
>>> the country was 11.48 million, similar to DHS’s estimate of 11.39
>>> million for 2018. By January 2021, we estimate the number had dropped to
>>> 10.22 million as a result of travel restrictions and other policies
>>> imposed as a result of Covid-19 and perhaps the deterioration in the
>>> U.S. economy. The number then rebounded to 11.35 million by January 2022
>>> — a 1.13 million increase since President Biden took office at the
>>> beginning of 2021. This means that growth in the illegal immigrant
>>> population accounted for very roughly two-thirds of the 1.6 million
>>> increase in the total foreign-born population (legal and illegal
>>> immigrants together) in President Biden’s first year in office (January
>>> 2021 to January 2022). The share of growth in the total foreign-born
>>> population accounted for by illegal immigrants is even larger if we
>>> compare the number in January 2021 to our preliminary February 2022
>>> estimate of 11.46 million. What’s more, the total foreign-born
>>> population reached 46.7 million in February of this year, a new record
>>> high in American history.
>>>
>>> While the large swings in the illegal-immigrant population may seem
>>> unlikely, we find indirect evidence in the monthly CPS that the number
>>> of illegal immigrants fell between 2019 and 2021 and then grew
>>> dramatically by 2022. The number of both non-citizens and non-citizen
>>> Hispanics declined then rebounded over this time period. Changes in
>>> these populations should be highly correlated with trends in the
>>> illegal-immigrant population. We think the recent increase in illegal
>>> immigrants reflects policy changes by the Biden administration and the
>>> lessening of the Covid-19 pandemic, as well as the recovery of the economy.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>> https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
>>>
>> Well, you just sent Captain Google scrambling for something he can rebut
>> with. I still say it's impossible to know the number of undocumented
>> alien democrat voters in this country. Estimates are just that and it
>> depends on who is doing the estimating. Of course the libs' estimate
>> will be lower or unchanging over the years but anyone with half a brain
>> knows that's impossible... just over the past two years.
>> --
>> Thousands of unchecked illegal aliens are crossing the border all the
>> while I have to get my pecker x-ray'd or get felt up by a TSA agent just
>> to get on an airplane.
>
> How many alien voting Democrats do you suspect there might be? Why would any wets want to pick up a federal case for illegal voting, with so little reward?
>
> John Law
>
>

On 9/24/2023 3:23 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
>>
>> https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey
>>
>
> Well, you just sent Captain Google scrambling for something he can rebut
> with. I still say it's impossible to know the number of undocumented
> alien democrat voters in this country. Estimates are just that and it
> depends on who is doing the estimating. Of course the libs' estimate
> will be lower or unchanging over the years but anyone with half a brain
> knows that's impossible... just over the past two years.

George is spot on.
The Center for Immigration Studies is actually a conservative based
organization. Which is hilarious since the TechnoBoob uses their
figures since he likes their numbers. Most conservatives have known for
a long time these numbers are totally underestimated, but don't make too
big a stink of it since their end goals are mostly laudable. They do
lobby for things the leftists don't like, and I think the Southern
Poverty Law Center has it in for them using the typical tactics of
racism, anti-immigrant, white supremacist, antisemitic vilification.
You do get into conflicting agenda because of this though since they
receive donations from liberal groups who also like having conservative
outlets repeat these numbers, as well as people like the Boob who use
them to their advantage.
The problem with the numbers is that the groups assembles various
government agency stats into their assessment. Anyone who believes very
much of what the leftist controlled bureaucrats in the government swamp
tells us is foolhardy. Watch congressional hearing to confirm one after
another being called out for lies or partial truths. George is correct
in thinking the numbers are anything but the truth.
Think of it this way. If you put shit into your sausage making machine,
don't be surprised when your sausage tastes like shit!