Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on censorship?

Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books in
school libraries is optional so leave book selection to profession
librarians and not parents.

That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines and
imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.

A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn due to
one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided it was in
violation of the law and withdrew it.

https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4

Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the left?

On Apr 9, 2024 at 11:27:13 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on censorship?
>
> Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
> school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
> inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books in
> school libraries is optional so leave book selection to profession
> librarians and not parents.
>
> That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines and
> imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.
>
> A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn due to
> one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided it was in
> violation of the law and withdrew it.
>
>
> https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4
>
> Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the left?

I've posted an article at least three times in the last month detailing a
whole raft of conservative books censored by the Left. I can't be bothered to
go look it up again for a fourth re-post.

On Tue, 09 Apr 2024 11:43:38 -0700, BTR1701 wrote:

> On Apr 9, 2024 at 11:27:13 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman""<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> > Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on censorship?
> >
> > Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
> > school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
> > inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books in
> > school libraries is optional so leave book selection to profession
> > librarians and not parents.
> >
> > That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines and
> > imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.
> >
> > A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn due to
> > one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided it was in
> > violation of the law and withdrew it.
> >
> >
> > https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4
> >
> > Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the left?
>
> I've posted an article at least three times in the last month detailing a
> whole raft of conservative books censored by the Left. I can't be bothered to
> go look it up again for a fourth re-post.

I didn't see the three articles! Then again, if it's
a mere youtube link without description it hardly
qualifies as an "article", nor does a blind X-twitter link.

Why don't you give more descriptive titles for your posts?

On Apr 9, 2024 at 12:46:52 PM PDT, "Pluted Pup" <plutedpup@outlook.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, 09 Apr 2024 11:43:38 -0700, BTR1701 wrote:
>
>> On Apr 9, 2024 at 11:27:13 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman""<ahk@chinet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on censorship?
>> >
>> > Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
>> > school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
>> > inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books in
>> > school libraries is optional so leave book selection to profession
>> > librarians and not parents.
>> >
>> > That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines and
>> > imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.
>> >
>> > A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn due to
>> > one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided it was in
>> > violation of the law and withdrew it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>> https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4
>> >
>> > Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the left?
>>
>> I've posted an article at least three times in the last month detailing a
>> whole raft of conservative books censored by the Left. I can't be bothered
>> to
>> go look it up again for a fourth re-post.
>
> I didn't see the three articles! Then again, if it's
> a mere youtube link without description it hardly
> qualifies as an "article", nor does a blind X-twitter link.

Good thing it was neither one of those, then, yes?

On 4/9/2024 2:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 9, 2024 at 11:27:13 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on censorship?
>>
>> Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
>> school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
>> inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books in
>> school libraries is optional so leave book selection to profession
>> librarians and not parents.
>>
>> That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines and
>> imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.
>>
>> A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn due to
>> one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided it was in
>> violation of the law and withdrew it.
>>
>>
>> https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4
>>
>> Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the left?
>
> I've posted an article at least three times in the last month detailing a
> whole raft of conservative books censored by the Left. I can't be bothered to
> go look it up again for a fourth re-post.

I'm not looking it up, either, but iirc it was the instance of a liberal
bookstore that promoted itself as carrying books of all persuasions,
then caved to the censorious demands of clientele. At the very least,
the left-leaning store voiced briefly the virtues of free speech
....which heresy a right-leaning store would've strangled at birth.

On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 18:27:13 -0000 (UTC)
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on censorship?
>
> Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
> school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
> inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books in
> school libraries is optional so leave book selection to profession
> librarians and not parents.
>
> That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines and
> imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.
>
> A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn due to
> one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided it was in
> violation of the law and withdrew it.
>
> https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4
>
> Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the left?

One book that was long censored in eastern Europe during the Cold War
was 1984. It finally became possible to read it after the various
revolutions of 1989 when eastern Europe finally became free of Soviet
occupation. Time and time and time again, I've seen people comment at
how amazed they are that Orwell so precisely described the situation in
their countries under communism when he'd never been there.

Those countries also censored the likes of Solzhenitsyn until well into
Gorbachev's perestroika/glasnost campaigns. I remember talking to one
guy on a class, a Soviet emigre (and Jewish refusenik) and finding that
he'd only just read Gulag Archipelago when I had first read it several
years before; prior to that, the book could only be read in "samizdat"
form in the Soviet Union. (Samizdat was when typed copies were
circulated among trusted friends; photocopiers couldn't be used because
every Soviet copier had a watermark that made it very easy to determine
precisely which copier had made the copy, making it much easier to
determine who had done the copying.)

I understand it is strictly forbidden to refer to - or draw - Winnie the
Pooh in China because too many people see a resemblance to Xi Jinping
and no one wants anything drawn or said that might be construed as a
criticism of him.

I'm sure there are any number of other things forbidden in China and
even "democratic" Russia. I know that Russians faced significant jail
time if they called the current "conflict" in Ukraine a war: the only
acceptable term was "special military operation". There have been some
claims that even Putin is calling it a war now but I'm not sure if
anyone else dares to call it that yet.

--
Rhino

On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 16:38:49 -0400
moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

> On 4/9/2024 2:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > On Apr 9, 2024 at 11:27:13 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman""
> > <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> >> Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on
> >> censorship?
> >>
> >> Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
> >> school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
> >> inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books
> >> in school libraries is optional so leave book selection to
> >> profession librarians and not parents.
> >>
> >> That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines
> >> and imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.
> >>
> >> A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn
> >> due to one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided
> >> it was in violation of the law and withdrew it.
> >>
> >>
> >> https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4
> >>
> >> Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the
> >> left?
> >
> > I've posted an article at least three times in the last month
> > detailing a whole raft of conservative books censored by the Left.
> > I can't be bothered to go look it up again for a fourth re-post.
>
> I'm not looking it up, either, but iirc it was the instance of a
> liberal bookstore that promoted itself as carrying books of all
> persuasions, then caved to the censorious demands of clientele. At
> the very least, the left-leaning store voiced briefly the virtues of
> free speech ...which heresy a right-leaning store would've strangled
> at birth.
>
>
Bullshit!!! Flagrant, unadulterated BULLSHIT!

Those of us on the right have a LOT more respect for free speech than
most of those on the left. We aren't the ones that are bending over
backwards to suppress free speech like the recent Hate Speech law in
Scotland that J. K. Rowling has so bravely challenged or the Online
Harms Bill that Trudeau is trying to inflict on us in this country.

--
Rhino

On 4/9/2024 4:55 PM, Rhino wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 16:38:49 -0400
> moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/9/2024 2:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On Apr 9, 2024 at 11:27:13 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman""
>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>> Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on
>>>> censorship?
>>>>
>>>> Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
>>>> school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
>>>> inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books
>>>> in school libraries is optional so leave book selection to
>>>> profession librarians and not parents.
>>>>
>>>> That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines
>>>> and imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.
>>>>
>>>> A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn
>>>> due to one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided
>>>> it was in violation of the law and withdrew it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4
>>>>
>>>> Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the
>>>> left?
>>>
>>> I've posted an article at least three times in the last month
>>> detailing a whole raft of conservative books censored by the Left.
>>> I can't be bothered to go look it up again for a fourth re-post.
>>
>> I'm not looking it up, either, but iirc it was the instance of a
>> liberal bookstore that promoted itself as carrying books of all
>> persuasions, then caved to the censorious demands of clientele. At
>> the very least, the left-leaning store voiced briefly the virtues of
>> free speech ...which heresy a right-leaning store would've strangled
>> at birth.
>>
>>
> Bullshit!!! Flagrant, unadulterated BULLSHIT!
>
> Those of us on the right have a LOT more respect for free speech than
> most of those on the left. We aren't the ones that are bending over
> backwards to suppress free speech like the recent Hate Speech law in
> Scotland that J. K. Rowling has so bravely challenged or the Online
> Harms Bill that Trudeau is trying to inflict on us in this country.

Showing results for "liberal conservative book banning" [Google]

"While activists across the political spectrum have sought to
restrict or protest some forms of literature, the vast majority of book
challenges are from conservative-leaning groups, researchers say. Only a
handful of efforts have also come from liberal sources, mainly targeting
books with racist or offensive language." (Jan 12, 2023)

How conservative and liberal book bans differ amid rise in ...
ABC News - Breaking News, Latest News and Videos
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On Apr 9, 2024 at 2:47:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <never@nothere.com> wrote:

> On 4/9/2024 4:55 PM, Rhino wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 16:38:49 -0400
>> moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/9/2024 2:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> On Apr 9, 2024 at 11:27:13 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman""
>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>> Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on
>>>>> censorship?
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
>>>>> school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
>>>>> inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books
>>>>> in school libraries is optional so leave book selection to
>>>>> profession librarians and not parents.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines
>>>>> and imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.
>>>>>
>>>>> A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn
>>>>> due to one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided
>>>>> it was in violation of the law and withdrew it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the
>>>>> left?
>>>>
>>>> I've posted an article at least three times in the last month
>>>> detailing a whole raft of conservative books censored by the Left.
>>>> I can't be bothered to go look it up again for a fourth re-post.
>>>
>>> I'm not looking it up, either, but iirc it was the instance of a
>>> liberal bookstore that promoted itself as carrying books of all
>>> persuasions, then caved to the censorious demands of clientele. At
>>> the very least, the left-leaning store voiced briefly the virtues of
>>> free speech ...which heresy a right-leaning store would've strangled
>>> at birth.
>>>
>>>
>> Bullshit!!! Flagrant, unadulterated BULLSHIT!
>>
>> Those of us on the right have a LOT more respect for free speech than
>> most of those on the left. We aren't the ones that are bending over
>> backwards to suppress free speech like the recent Hate Speech law in
>> Scotland that J. K. Rowling has so bravely challenged or the Online
>> Harms Bill that Trudeau is trying to inflict on us in this country.
>
> How conservative and liberal book bans differ amid rise in ...
> ABC News - Breaking News, Latest News and Videos
> https://abcnews.go.com › story

Oh, goody! A leftist media outlet is going to give me another lecture on how
"it's different when we do it".

On 4/9/2024 6:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 9, 2024 at 2:47:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/9/2024 4:55 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 16:38:49 -0400
>>> moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/9/2024 2:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 9, 2024 at 11:27:13 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman""
>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on
>>>>>> censorship?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
>>>>>> school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
>>>>>> inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books
>>>>>> in school libraries is optional so leave book selection to
>>>>>> profession librarians and not parents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines
>>>>>> and imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn
>>>>>> due to one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided
>>>>>> it was in violation of the law and withdrew it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the
>>>>>> left?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've posted an article at least three times in the last month
>>>>> detailing a whole raft of conservative books censored by the Left.
>>>>> I can't be bothered to go look it up again for a fourth re-post.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not looking it up, either, but iirc it was the instance of a
>>>> liberal bookstore that promoted itself as carrying books of all
>>>> persuasions, then caved to the censorious demands of clientele. At
>>>> the very least, the left-leaning store voiced briefly the virtues of
>>>> free speech ...which heresy a right-leaning store would've strangled
>>>> at birth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Bullshit!!! Flagrant, unadulterated BULLSHIT!
>>>
>>> Those of us on the right have a LOT more respect for free speech than
>>> most of those on the left. We aren't the ones that are bending over
>>> backwards to suppress free speech like the recent Hate Speech law in
>>> Scotland that J. K. Rowling has so bravely challenged or the Online
>>> Harms Bill that Trudeau is trying to inflict on us in this country.
>>
>> How conservative and liberal book bans differ amid rise in ...
>> ABC News - Breaking News, Latest News and Videos
>> https://abcnews.go.com › story
>
> Oh, goody! A leftist media outlet is going to give me another lecture on how
> "it's different when we do it".

Yeah, the man with one watch always knows what time it is. Twice a day.

On 4/9/2024 6:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 9, 2024 at 2:47:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/9/2024 4:55 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 16:38:49 -0400
>>> moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/9/2024 2:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 9, 2024 at 11:27:13 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman""
>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on
>>>>>> censorship?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
>>>>>> school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
>>>>>> inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books
>>>>>> in school libraries is optional so leave book selection to
>>>>>> profession librarians and not parents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines
>>>>>> and imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn
>>>>>> due to one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided
>>>>>> it was in violation of the law and withdrew it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the
>>>>>> left?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've posted an article at least three times in the last month
>>>>> detailing a whole raft of conservative books censored by the Left.
>>>>> I can't be bothered to go look it up again for a fourth re-post.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not looking it up, either, but iirc it was the instance of a
>>>> liberal bookstore that promoted itself as carrying books of all
>>>> persuasions, then caved to the censorious demands of clientele. At
>>>> the very least, the left-leaning store voiced briefly the virtues of
>>>> free speech ...which heresy a right-leaning store would've strangled
>>>> at birth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Bullshit!!! Flagrant, unadulterated BULLSHIT!
>>>
>>> Those of us on the right have a LOT more respect for free speech than
>>> most of those on the left. We aren't the ones that are bending over
>>> backwards to suppress free speech like the recent Hate Speech law in
>>> Scotland that J. K. Rowling has so bravely challenged or the Online
>>> Harms Bill that Trudeau is trying to inflict on us in this country.
>>
>> How conservative and liberal book bans differ amid rise in ...
>> ABC News - Breaking News, Latest News and Videos
>> https://abcnews.go.com › story
>
> Oh, goody! A leftist media outlet is going to give me another lecture on how
> "it's different when we do it".

Btw, I notice you found it necessary to delete the short excerpt from
the article. Speaking of 'banning' and such...

On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 16:55:32 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>Bullshit!!! Flagrant, unadulterated BULLSHIT!
>
>Those of us on the right have a LOT more respect for free speech than
>most of those on the left. We aren't the ones that are bending over
>backwards to suppress free speech like the recent Hate Speech law in
>Scotland that J. K. Rowling has so bravely challenged or the Online
>Harms Bill that Trudeau is trying to inflict on us in this country.
>
>
Agreed - I have been watching my local public library to see how long
they will keep Savage Messiah (a bio of Jordan Peterson) in print.

The author is definitely not a Peterson fanboi but when the time comes
that won't be taken into account. Our library hasn't withdrawn JK
Rowling yet...

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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>On Apr 9, 2024 at 11:27:13 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on censorship?

>>Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
>>school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
>>inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books in
>>school libraries is optional so leave book selection to profession
>>librarians and not parents.

>>That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines and
>>imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.

>>A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn due to
>>one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided it was in
>>violation of the law and withdrew it.

>>https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4

>>Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the left?

>I've posted an article at least three times in the last month detailing a
>whole raft of conservative books censored by the Left. I can't be bothered to
>go look it up again for a fourth re-post.

I read them, thank you. You and I have similar opinions on censorship. I
wanted to see if anyone else cared about the issue of censorship by
punishing librarians using the criminal code.

In article <uv6fsu$12itq$2@dont-email.me>,
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 9, 2024 at 11:27:13 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> >>Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on censorship?
>
> >>Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
> >>school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
> >>inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books in
> >>school libraries is optional so leave book selection to profession
> >>librarians and not parents.
>
> >>That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines and
> >>imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.
>
> >>A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn due to
> >>one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided it was in
> >>violation of the law and withdrew it.
>
> >>https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6
> >>cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4
>
> >>Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the left?
>
> >I've posted an article at least three times in the last month detailing a
> >whole raft of conservative books censored by the Left. I can't be bothered
> >to go look it up again for a fourth re-post.
>
> I read them, thank you. You and I have similar opinions on censorship. I
> wanted to see if anyone else cared about the issue of censorship by
> punishing librarians using the criminal code.

There are laws about providing sexually explicit material to minors.
It's a felony to give a 10-year-old a Jenna Jameson porn DVD and tell
him to go enjoy himself.

I don't see how being a librarian shields you from having to obey those
laws or provides immunity from prosecution for breaking them.

I suppose there'd be some debate about what constitutes 'sexually
explicit' and where that line is, but the books I've seen at the heart
of these controversies, graphic novels showing-- not just describing,
but showing-- minors performing oral and anal gay sex on each other-- is
no different than any hardcore porn movie out there. If those don't
qualify as sexually explicit, I can't imagine what would.

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>On Apr 9, 2024 at 11:27:13 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>>>Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on censorship?

>>>>Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
>>>>school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
>>>>inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books in
>>>>school libraries is optional so leave book selection to profession
>>>>librarians and not parents.

>>>>That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines and
>>>>imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.

>>>>A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn due to
>>>>one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided it was in
>>>>violation of the law and withdrew it.

>>>>https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4

>>>>Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the left?

>>>I've posted an article at least three times in the last month detailing a
>>>whole raft of conservative books censored by the Left. I can't be bothered
>>>to go look it up again for a fourth re-post.

>>I read them, thank you. You and I have similar opinions on censorship. I
>>wanted to see if anyone else cared about the issue of censorship by
>>punishing librarians using the criminal code.

>There are laws about providing sexually explicit material to minors.
>It's a felony to give a 10-year-old a Jenna Jameson porn DVD and tell
>him to go enjoy himself.

Is this material a librarian in a public or school library has selected
ever that you have heard of?

>I don't see how being a librarian shields you from having to obey those
>laws or provides immunity from prosecution for breaking them.

We aren't talking about the Potter Stewart standard but material that
some people are going to declare "obscene" that you yourself wouldn't
agree with. You want a librarian subject to arrest and prosecution for a
difference of opinion for material that's not truly obscene?

>I suppose there'd be some debate about what constitutes 'sexually
>explicit' and where that line is, but the books I've seen at the heart
>of these controversies, graphic novels showing-- not just describing,
>but showing-- minors performing oral and anal gay sex on each other-- is
>no different than any hardcore porn movie out there. If those don't
>qualify as sexually explicit, I can't imagine what would.

In the immediate instance, that's not what got censored because the
overly broad law failed to define sexually explicit material the way you
used the term.

Art nudes, medical textbooks, mainstream movies, literature without
photographs or drawings of any kind, have all been censored at one time
or another under both state and federal law as you are well aware of.
None of this is material you would personally consider to be sexually
explicit.

The Comstock Act hasn't been found to be unconstitutional in all
instances, hence the legal theory that it can be used to ban the mailing
of mifepristone.

On 4/9/24 4:55 PM, Rhino wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 16:38:49 -0400
> moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/9/2024 2:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On Apr 9, 2024 at 11:27:13 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman""
>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>> Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on
>>>> censorship?
>>>>
>>>> Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
>>>> school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
>>>> inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books
>>>> in school libraries is optional so leave book selection to
>>>> profession librarians and not parents.
>>>>
>>>> That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines
>>>> and imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.
>>>>
>>>> A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn
>>>> due to one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided
>>>> it was in violation of the law and withdrew it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4
>>>>
>>>> Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the
>>>> left?
>>>
>>> I've posted an article at least three times in the last month
>>> detailing a whole raft of conservative books censored by the Left.
>>> I can't be bothered to go look it up again for a fourth re-post.
>>
>> I'm not looking it up, either, but iirc it was the instance of a
>> liberal bookstore that promoted itself as carrying books of all
>> persuasions, then caved to the censorious demands of clientele. At
>> the very least, the left-leaning store voiced briefly the virtues of
>> free speech ...which heresy a right-leaning store would've strangled
>> at birth.
>>
>>
> Bullshit!!! Flagrant, unadulterated BULLSHIT!
>
> Those of us on the right have a LOT more respect for free speech than
> most of those on the left. We aren't the ones that are bending over
> backwards to suppress free speech like the recent Hate Speech law in
> Scotland that J. K. Rowling has so bravely challenged or the Online
> Harms Bill that Trudeau is trying to inflict on us in this country.
>
>

Oh, for fuck's sake. Banning books, banning drag shows, banning rainbow
flags, banning the words "climate change", Don't Say Gay bill, trying to
force Disney because they didn't like what they said.

Nobody believes you.

--
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Bible 25B.G.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0

Gracie, age 6.
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On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 10:43:22 -0400, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:

>Oh, for fuck's sake. Banning books, banning drag shows, banning rainbow
>flags, banning the words "climate change", Don't Say Gay bill, trying to
>force Disney because they didn't like what they said.
>
>Nobody believes you.

Hardly - though I personally am not spending money on Disney for my
granddaughter (who turns 2 within the next month) as frankly they're
NOT the Disney of my childhood when my grandmother took me to my first
movie (Mary Poppins)

On 4/11/2024 12:12 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 10:43:22 -0400, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, for fuck's sake. Banning books, banning drag shows, banning rainbow
>> flags, banning the words "climate change", Don't Say Gay bill, trying to
>> force Disney because they didn't like what they said.
>>
>> Nobody believes you.
>
> Hardly - though I personally am not spending money on Disney for my
> granddaughter (who turns 2 within the next month) as frankly they're
> NOT the Disney of my childhood when my grandmother took me to my first
> movie (Mary Poppins)
>
Times change.

In article <pddg1jplu1h6adta0btur2sg3leatg6d8t@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 10:43:22 -0400, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Oh, for fuck's sake. Banning books, banning drag shows, banning rainbow
> >flags, banning the words "climate change", Don't Say Gay bill, trying to
> >force Disney because they didn't like what they said.
> >
> >Nobody believes you.
>
> Hardly - though I personally am not spending money on Disney for my
> granddaughter (who turns 2 within the next month) as frankly they're
> NOT the Disney of my childhood when my grandmother took me to my first
> movie (Mary Poppins)

And of course Effa, like most of the left, continues to perpetuate lies,
like the "Don't Say Gay" bill, which doesn't prohibit anyone from saying
they're gay anywhere in the text of the bill.

In article <uv9d3j$er2f$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com>
wrote:

> On 4/11/2024 12:12 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 10:43:22 -0400, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Oh, for fuck's sake. Banning books, banning drag shows, banning rainbow
> >> flags, banning the words "climate change", Don't Say Gay bill, trying to
> >> force Disney because they didn't like what they said.
> >>
> >> Nobody believes you.
> >
> > Hardly - though I personally am not spending money on Disney for my
> > granddaughter (who turns 2 within the next month) as frankly they're
> > NOT the Disney of my childhood when my grandmother took me to my first
> > movie (Mary Poppins)
> >
> Times change.

And not always for the better.

In article <uv8sua$1o05o$2@dont-email.me>, fredp1571@gmail.com wrote:
> On 4/9/24 4:55 PM, Rhino wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 16:38:49 -0400
>> moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/9/2024 2:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>>>> Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on
>>>>> censorship?
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
>>>>> school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
>>>>> inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books
>>>>> in school libraries is optional so leave book selection to
>>>>> profession librarians and not parents.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines
>>>>> and imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.
>>>>>
>>>>> A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn
>>>>> due to one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided
>>>>> it was in violation of the law and withdrew it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the
>>>>> left?
>>>>
>>>> I've posted an article at least three times in the last month
>>>> detailing a whole raft of conservative books censored by the Left.
>>>> I can't be bothered to go look it up again for a fourth re-post.
>>>
>>> I'm not looking it up, either, but iirc it was the instance of a
>>> liberal bookstore that promoted itself as carrying books of all
>>> persuasions, then caved to the censorious demands of clientele. At
>>> the very least, the left-leaning store voiced briefly the virtues of
>>> free speech ...which heresy a right-leaning store would've strangled
>>> at birth.
>>
>> Bullshit!!! Flagrant, unadulterated BULLSHIT!
>>
>> Those of us on the right have a LOT more respect for free speech than
>> most of those on the left. We aren't the ones that are bending over
>> backwards to suppress free speech like the recent Hate Speech law in
>> Scotland that J. K. Rowling has so bravely challenged or the Online
>> Harms Bill that Trudeau is trying to inflict on us in this country.
>
>Oh, for fuck's sake. Banning books, banning drag shows, banning rainbow
>flags, banning the words "climate change", Don't Say Gay bill, trying to
>force Disney because they didn't like what they said.

None of which have happened.

Big Lie noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.

--
"Rhino, when do I say things I *can't* back up with citations of
fact? Go ahead... go and find something I stated as fact that you
don't think I can back up."
-- FPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
--

atropos@mac.com wrote:
> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 10:43:22 -0400, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >Oh, for fuck's sake. Banning books, banning drag shows, banning rainbow
>> >flags, banning the words "climate change", Don't Say Gay bill, trying to
>> >force Disney because they didn't like what they said.
>>
>> Hardly - though I personally am not spending money on Disney for my
>> granddaughter (who turns 2 within the next month) as frankly they're
>> NOT the Disney of my childhood when my grandmother took me to my first
>> movie (Mary Poppins)
>
>And of course Effa, like most of the left, continues to perpetuate lies,
>like the "Don't Say Gay" bill, which doesn't prohibit anyone from saying
>they're gay anywhere in the text of the bill.

And THAT is why you don't get your news from the DNC and MSNBC!

--
Let's go Brandon!

On 4/11/24 2:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <uv9d3j$er2f$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/11/2024 12:12 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 10:43:22 -0400, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, for fuck's sake. Banning books, banning drag shows, banning rainbow
>>>> flags, banning the words "climate change", Don't Say Gay bill, trying to
>>>> force Disney because they didn't like what they said.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody believes you.
>>>
>>> Hardly - though I personally am not spending money on Disney for my
>>> granddaughter (who turns 2 within the next month) as frankly they're
>>> NOT the Disney of my childhood when my grandmother took me to my first
>>> movie (Mary Poppins)
>>>
>> Times change.
>
> And not always for the better.

So true, that's why AZ reenacted a Civil War era abortion ban, right? LOL!

On 4/11/24 9:43 AM, FPP wrote:
> On 4/9/24 4:55 PM, Rhino wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 16:38:49 -0400
>> moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/9/2024 2:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> On Apr 9, 2024 at 11:27:13 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman""
>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>> Is the left or the right winning the race to the bottom on
>>>>> censorship?
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again, I make the distinction between curriculum and books in
>>>>> school libraries. The former might be subject to complaints of
>>>>> inappropriateness by parents as it's mandatory. But reading books
>>>>> in school libraries is optional so leave book selection to
>>>>> profession librarians and not parents.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not the law in Missouri. Librarians can be subject to fines
>>>>> and imprisonment for sexually explicit material on bookshelves.
>>>>>
>>>>> A graphic novel adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale was withdrawn
>>>>> due to one panel depicting a rape. The high school library decided
>>>>> it was in violation of the law and withdrew it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like the right is winning. What books are censored on the
>>>>> left?
>>>>
>>>> I've posted an article at least three times in the last month
>>>> detailing a whole raft of conservative books censored by the Left.
>>>> I can't be bothered to go look it up again for a fourth re-post.
>>>
>>> I'm not looking it up, either, but iirc it was the instance of a
>>> liberal bookstore that promoted itself as carrying books of all
>>> persuasions, then caved to the censorious demands of clientele.  At
>>> the very least, the left-leaning store voiced briefly the virtues of
>>> free speech ...which heresy a right-leaning store would've strangled
>>> at birth.
>>>
>>>
>> Bullshit!!! Flagrant, unadulterated BULLSHIT!
>>
>> Those of us on the right have a LOT more respect for free speech than
>> most of those on the left. We aren't the ones that are bending over
>> backwards to suppress free speech like the recent Hate Speech law in
>> Scotland that J. K. Rowling has so bravely challenged or the Online
>> Harms Bill that Trudeau is trying to inflict on us in this country.
>>
>>
>
> Oh, for fuck's sake.  Banning books, banning drag shows, banning rainbow
> flags, banning the words "climate change", Don't Say Gay bill, trying to
> force Disney because they didn't like what they said.
>
> Nobody believes you.

How can you even have a dialogue with that guy, he's one of the
stupidest people I've ever seen on this group.