On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 17:24:03 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>Apr 15, 2024 at 12:04:35 AM PDT, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>:
>>>Mon, 15 Apr 2024 06:30:28 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>:
>
>>>>>So was Charles Manson eligible for this?
>
>>>>He died before it was implemented, but yes, he would be if he was still
>>>>alive.
>
>>>>One of his acolytes has already been released.
>
>>>That's Squeaky right?
>
>>Yes, and Leslie Van Houten, also. She was the one who stabbed Rosemary
>>LaBianca 14 times.
>
>These people followed a cult leader who had targeted a family, then
>committed mass murder. I'm confused as to why you don't think prison
>rehabilitated them so they can be functioning members of society again.
>
>How dangerous can they possibly be?

If you don't have any family members living then there's nothing to
worry about. If you do have a family...

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 14:07:26 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>On Apr 15, 2024 at 12:04:35 AM PDT, "The Horny Goat" <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 06:30:28 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> So was Charles Manson eligible for this?
>>>
>>> He died before it was implemented, but yes, he would be if he was still
>>> alive.
>>>
>>> One of his acolytes has already been released.
>>
>> That's Squeaky right?
>
>Yes, and Leslie Van Houten, also. She was the one who stabbed Rosemary
>LaBianca 14 times.
>
The fact that I remember her nickname some 50-60 years afterwards
should tell you something. It's NOT at all that we have a major street
called Fromme Road within 1/2 mile of my home! (which we do - named
after a WW1 era mayor)

And anybody my age probably cringes when we hear the term "Helter
Skelter" which pre-Manson was what my mother called my room when it
was messy...

On 4/15/24 2:00 PM, shawn wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 17:24:03 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> Apr 15, 2024 at 12:04:35 AM PDT, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>:
>>>> Mon, 15 Apr 2024 06:30:28 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>:
>>
>>>>>> So was Charles Manson eligible for this?
>>
>>>>> He died before it was implemented, but yes, he would be if he was still
>>>>> alive.
>>
>>>>> One of his acolytes has already been released.
>>
>>>> That's Squeaky right?
>>
>>> Yes, and Leslie Van Houten, also. She was the one who stabbed Rosemary
>>> LaBianca 14 times.
>>
>> These people followed a cult leader who had targeted a family, then
>> committed mass murder. I'm confused as to why you don't think prison
>> rehabilitated them so they can be functioning members of society again.
>>
>> How dangerous can they possibly be?
>
> If you don't have any family members living then there's nothing to
> worry about. If you do have a family...
>

Cult leader that targets family... and killed a lot of people.
Hmmm... wonder who that sounds like?

His name escapes me at the moment. Don something.
Oh, yeah! I got it!

Don Snoreleone. (The Nodfather.) Guess it matters whose cult we're
talking about.

--
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Gracie, age 6.
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On 4/15/24 10:10 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 15, 2024 at 1:38:35 AM PDT, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/14/24 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <uvgj0h$3kt9v$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/13/24 12:57 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 15:11:32 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. It prohibited 'don't say straight' every bit as much as
>>>>>> 'don't say gay'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, it was telling teachers to keep their personal sex
>>>>>> lives to themselves and out of the classroom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hardly an unreasonable position for anyone who isn't a lunatic.
>>>>>
>>>>> More to the point, it's restricted to 'primary age' kids which around
>>>>> here means grades 1-3. Which in my opinion is totally reasonable. If
>>>>> it were grades 9-12 I likely would feel differently.
>>>>>
>>>> Sure. Until it isn't. You start there and they quickly worked their
>>>> way up.
>>>>
>>>> That's how it's done. Once you see the nose of a camel in the tent,
>>>> it's quickly followed by the rest of the camel.
>>>
>>> You guys are the geniuses of incrementalism. You did it masterfully with
>>> destroying the criminal justice system here in California.
>>>
>>> It started with Newsom unilaterally doing away with the death penalty
>>> despite the fact that the people of California not only passed it into
>>> law through their elected representatives, but then they reaffirmed
>>> their support for it overwhelmingly in two subsequent ballot measures.
>>> But Newsom overrode all 40 million of us and imposed his own political
>>> preference by fiat.
>>>
>>> (There's that precious 'muh democracy' that y'all are always so worried
>>> about.)
>>>
>>> And he and his fellow Dems in the Assembly said, "Don't worry, even
>>> without the death penalty the really bad guys will still be in prison
>>> for life without parole."
>>>
>>> A few years go by, then the same characters start talking about how not
>>> giving people the chance for parole is too cruel, so they started
>>> passing laws giving LWOP convicts the ability to challenge their
>>> sentences and have them converted to life *with* possibility of parole.
>>>
>>> Then came Prop 47 and Prop 57. One started the process of releasing all
>>> non-violent criminals from state prisons. The other reclassified a whole
>>> host of objectively violent crimes as 'non-violent' so they would
>>> qualify for release and downgraded dozens of felonies to misdemeanors so
>>> criminals wouldn't even be sent to prison in the first place. This was
>>> sold to the public by Kamala Harris as "The Safe Schools and
>>> Neighborhoods Initiative".
>>>
>>> Now they're releasing any murderer, no matter how heinous his crime, if
>>> he was convicted before 1994. So life in prison is now effectively no
>>> more than 30 years and "Only the non-violent offenders will be released"
>>> has morphed into throwing open the doors and letting pre-meditated
>>> murderers run free.
>>>
>>> Then the Dems staffed the Public Safety Committee in the Assembly with
>>> the most radical hug-a-thug pols in Sacramento to ensure no new crimes
>>> are ever added to the penal code. They wouldn't even make sex
>>> trafficking of minors a 3-strike eligible felony until they were shamed
>>> into it when their refusal to do so made international news. Selling
>>> kids for sex isn't bad enough to warrant prison time for these lunatics.
>>>
>>> All this happened bit-by-bit over the course of 10 years as part of a
>>> well-coordinated plan by 'progressive' Democrats to empty our prisons
>>> and jails and neuter the criminal justice system in the state. They knew
>>> they could never do it in one fell swoop even though they had the votes
>>> for it because the boiling frog (the public) would scream holy hell and
>>> vote them all out. So they did it one little bit at a time,
>>> step-by-step, and now here we are, with crime out of control, businesses
>>> shutting down in the major cities and fleeing the state, and the public
>>> wondering how society seemed to have disintegrated overnight.
>>>
>>> What has always puzzled me and continues to do so is why? Why do
>>> 'progressive' leftists seem to love the idea of living in a lawless
>>> hellscape instead of a civilized society?
>>>
>> You are exhausting.
>
> Good. Means I'm doing something right if I'm exhausting you people.
>
>

Beats actually accomplishing anything, I guess.

--
"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC
Bible 25B.G.
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Gracie, age 6.
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