Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even though it
has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the usual definition of
'diversity' in Hollywood.

Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet again and
it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in your show, you still
have to have a quota of black people regardless of whether their presence
makes any damn sense or not.

https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1be70ab0

On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 19:33:34 +0000
BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even though
> it has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the usual
> definition of 'diversity' in Hollywood.
>
> Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet again
> and it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in your show,
> you still have to have a quota of black people regardless of whether
> their presence makes any damn sense or not.
>
> https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1be70ab0
>
>
I can hardly wait until the next time they make a series about the
Revolutionary War and find themselves creating black leaders among the
revolutionaries to write the Constitution, lead the Army, etc. etc.
just to placate the DIE crowd....

--
Rhino

In article <20240412175429.000005c9@example.com>,
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 19:33:34 +0000
> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even though
> > it has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the usual
> > definition of 'diversity' in Hollywood.
> >
> > Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet again
> > and it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in your show,
> > you still have to have a quota of black people regardless of whether
> > their presence makes any damn sense or not.
> >
> > https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1
> > be70ab0

> I can hardly wait until the next time they make a series about the
> Revolutionary War and find themselves creating black leaders among the
> revolutionaries to write the Constitution, lead the Army, etc. etc.
> just to placate the DIE crowd....

Well, we all know George Washington was black. Just ask Google's AI to
show you a picture of him.

On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 15:20:24 -0700
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

> In article <20240412175429.000005c9@example.com>,
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 19:33:34 +0000
> > BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even
> > > though it has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the
> > > usual definition of 'diversity' in Hollywood.
> > >
> > > Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet
> > > again and it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in
> > > your show, you still have to have a quota of black people
> > > regardless of whether their presence makes any damn sense or not.
> > >
> > > https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1
> > > be70ab0
>
> > I can hardly wait until the next time they make a series about the
> > Revolutionary War and find themselves creating black leaders among
> > the revolutionaries to write the Constitution, lead the Army, etc.
> > etc. just to placate the DIE crowd....
>
> Well, we all know George Washington was black. Just ask Google's AI
> to show you a picture of him.

It would, of course, be a good start if the top general of the Army and
the first President (under the Constitution of 1787) was black but I
can't believe that would be enough for the DIE crowd. I feel sure
they'll insist on *all* of the major figures on the Revolutionary War
side being black - aside from Benedict Arnold who must stay resolutely
white. They'll rationalize this by insinuating that all of them had
slave-owning ancestors raping slave women and it just happened that
Washington and the others "passed" for white so didn't run afoul of the
laws of the day.

--
Rhino

On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:54:29 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 19:33:34 +0000
>BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even though
>> it has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the usual
>> definition of 'diversity' in Hollywood.
>>
>> Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet again
>> and it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in your show,
>> you still have to have a quota of black people regardless of whether
>> their presence makes any damn sense or not.
>>
>> https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1be70ab0
>>
>>
>I can hardly wait until the next time they make a series about the
>Revolutionary War and find themselves creating black leaders among the
>revolutionaries to write the Constitution, lead the Army, etc. etc.
>just to placate the DIE crowd....

I'm waiting to find out General Robert E Lee was actually a black man.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:54:29 -0400, Rhino
> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 19:33:34 +0000
>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even though
>>> it has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the usual
>>> definition of 'diversity' in Hollywood.
>>>
>>> Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet again
>>> and it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in your show,
>>> you still have to have a quota of black people regardless of whether
>>> their presence makes any damn sense or not.
>>>
>>> https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1be70ab0
>>>
>>>
>> I can hardly wait until the next time they make a series about the
>> Revolutionary War and find themselves creating black leaders among the
>> revolutionaries to write the Constitution, lead the Army, etc. etc.
>> just to placate the DIE crowd....
>
> I'm waiting to find out General Robert E Lee was actually a black man.
>

Our Arizona science museum actually has the mission statement to teach
children that science was not done by white men and so they have a black
woman in a Santa Claus beard, greeting people as Leonardo da Vinci

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 18:22:22 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:54:29 -0400, Rhino
>> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 19:33:34 +0000
>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even though
>>>> it has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the usual
>>>> definition of 'diversity' in Hollywood.
>>>>
>>>> Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet again
>>>> and it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in your show,
>>>> you still have to have a quota of black people regardless of whether
>>>> their presence makes any damn sense or not.
>>>>
>>>> https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1be70ab0
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I can hardly wait until the next time they make a series about the
>>> Revolutionary War and find themselves creating black leaders among the
>>> revolutionaries to write the Constitution, lead the Army, etc. etc.
>>> just to placate the DIE crowd....
>>
>> I'm waiting to find out General Robert E Lee was actually a black man.
>>
>
>Our Arizona science museum actually has the mission statement to teach
>children that science was not done by white men and so they have a black
>woman in a Santa Claus beard, greeting people as Leonardo da Vinci

Do they not understand one of the key tenets of science is to discover
the truth of how things work and what goes into it. Starting off with
a black woman in a Santa Claus beard pretending to be da Vinci doesn't
sound like any sort of truth I'm aware of.

On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 22:04:39 -0400
shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 18:22:22 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:54:29 -0400, Rhino
> >> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 19:33:34 +0000
> >>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even
> >>>> though it has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the
> >>>> usual definition of 'diversity' in Hollywood.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet
> >>>> again and it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in
> >>>> your show, you still have to have a quota of black people
> >>>> regardless of whether their presence makes any damn sense or not.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1be70ab0
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I can hardly wait until the next time they make a series about the
> >>> Revolutionary War and find themselves creating black leaders
> >>> among the revolutionaries to write the Constitution, lead the
> >>> Army, etc. etc. just to placate the DIE crowd....
> >>
> >> I'm waiting to find out General Robert E Lee was actually a black
> >> man.
> >
> >Our Arizona science museum actually has the mission statement to
> >teach children that science was not done by white men and so they
> >have a black woman in a Santa Claus beard, greeting people as
> >Leonardo da Vinci
>
> Do they not understand one of the key tenets of science is to discover
> the truth of how things work and what goes into it. Starting off with
> a black woman in a Santa Claus beard pretending to be da Vinci doesn't
> sound like any sort of truth I'm aware of.

You must be using "truth" in the old sense of "objective truth", i.e.
truth that can be determined by - and agreed to - by objective
observers.

Don't you know that this truth has been superseded by "individual
truth", namely the perceptions or even desires of an individual which
may not be verifiable by objective observers? That's the kind of
new-fangled truth we hear about in expressions like "lived truth" which
is apparently where if you are black, you can claim to have been the
victim of racism throughout your life and even if your closest friends
and family members who know better say this is false, "your truth"
trumps theirs. And if your truth is that black people did all the
important science ever and white people did none of it, well that too
trumps all other claims about science anyone else could make.

--
Rhino

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 18:22:22 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:54:29 -0400, Rhino
>>> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 19:33:34 +0000
>>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even though
>>>>> it has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the usual
>>>>> definition of 'diversity' in Hollywood.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet again
>>>>> and it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in your show,
>>>>> you still have to have a quota of black people regardless of whether
>>>>> their presence makes any damn sense or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1be70ab0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I can hardly wait until the next time they make a series about the
>>>> Revolutionary War and find themselves creating black leaders among the
>>>> revolutionaries to write the Constitution, lead the Army, etc. etc.
>>>> just to placate the DIE crowd....
>>>
>>> I'm waiting to find out General Robert E Lee was actually a black man.
>>>
>>
>> Our Arizona science museum actually has the mission statement to teach
>> children that science was not done by white men and so they have a black
>> woman in a Santa Claus beard, greeting people as Leonardo da Vinci
>
> Do they not understand one of the key tenets of science is to discover
> the truth of how things work and what goes into it. Starting off with
> a black woman in a Santa Claus beard pretending to be da Vinci doesn't
> sound like any sort of truth I'm aware of.
>

Well, it gets their pictures in the paper. I haven’t been back since they
pulled that little stunt not even when they had the traveling Star Trek
exhibit.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 22:04:39 -0400
> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 18:22:22 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:54:29 -0400, Rhino
>>>> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 19:33:34 +0000
>>>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even
>>>>>> though it has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the
>>>>>> usual definition of 'diversity' in Hollywood.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet
>>>>>> again and it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in
>>>>>> your show, you still have to have a quota of black people
>>>>>> regardless of whether their presence makes any damn sense or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1be70ab0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I can hardly wait until the next time they make a series about the
>>>>> Revolutionary War and find themselves creating black leaders
>>>>> among the revolutionaries to write the Constitution, lead the
>>>>> Army, etc. etc. just to placate the DIE crowd....
>>>>
>>>> I'm waiting to find out General Robert E Lee was actually a black
>>>> man.
>>>
>>> Our Arizona science museum actually has the mission statement to
>>> teach children that science was not done by white men and so they
>>> have a black woman in a Santa Claus beard, greeting people as
>>> Leonardo da Vinci
>>
>> Do they not understand one of the key tenets of science is to discover
>> the truth of how things work and what goes into it. Starting off with
>> a black woman in a Santa Claus beard pretending to be da Vinci doesn't
>> sound like any sort of truth I'm aware of.
>
> You must be using "truth" in the old sense of "objective truth", i.e.
> truth that can be determined by - and agreed to - by objective
> observers.
>
> Don't you know that this truth has been superseded by "individual
> truth", namely the perceptions or even desires of an individual which
> may not be verifiable by objective observers? That's the kind of
> new-fangled truth we hear about in expressions like "lived truth" which
> is apparently where if you are black, you can claim to have been the
> victim of racism throughout your life and even if your closest friends
> and family members who know better say this is false, "your truth"
> trumps theirs. And if your truth is that black people did all the
> important science ever and white people did none of it, well that too
> trumps all other claims about science anyone else could make.
>

Not people. Women. Men of no color did anything.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

On 4/12/24 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even though it
> has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the usual definition of
> 'diversity' in Hollywood.
>
> Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet again and
> it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in your show, you still
> have to have a quota of black people regardless of whether their presence
> makes any damn sense or not.
>
> https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1be70ab0

Medium isn't a good site to read for right wing assholes. You should
stick to the right wing horseshit sites.

On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:54:29 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 19:33:34 +0000
>BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even though
>> it has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the usual
>> definition of 'diversity' in Hollywood.
>>
>> Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet again
>> and it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in your show,
>> you still have to have a quota of black people regardless of whether
>> their presence makes any damn sense or not.
>>
>> https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1be70ab0
>>
>>
>I can hardly wait until the next time they make a series about the
>Revolutionary War and find themselves creating black leaders among the
>revolutionaries to write the Constitution, lead the Army, etc. etc.
>just to placate the DIE crowd....

To be sure - how many black folks were there in medieval Japan? (Scene
of Shogun - haven't seen the show, have read the book)

Far too many people think diversity is about blacks and ONLY about
blacks. Uh no....

On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 20:24:57 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>> Do they not understand one of the key tenets of science is to discover
>> the truth of how things work and what goes into it. Starting off with
>> a black woman in a Santa Claus beard pretending to be da Vinci doesn't
>> sound like any sort of truth I'm aware of.
>>
>
>Well, it gets their pictures in the paper. I haven’t been back since they
>pulled that little stunt not even when they had the traveling Star Trek
>exhibit.
>
Strange - I always thought one of the main reasons for the Klingons in
Star Trek was to ensure black actors always got lots of work - and in
later shows beyond TOS enough of the Klingons were 'good guys' that
the 1960s / 70s ancestors of the current DIE crowd were happy.

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 20:24:57 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> Do they not understand one of the key tenets of science is to discover
>>> the truth of how things work and what goes into it. Starting off with
>>> a black woman in a Santa Claus beard pretending to be da Vinci doesn't
>>> sound like any sort of truth I'm aware of.
>>>
>>
>> Well, it gets their pictures in the paper. I haven’t been back since they
>> pulled that little stunt not even when they had the traveling Star Trek
>> exhibit.
>>
> Strange - I always thought one of the main reasons for the Klingons in
> Star Trek was to ensure black actors always got lots of work - and in
> later shows beyond TOS enough of the Klingons were 'good guys' that
> the 1960s / 70s ancestors of the current DIE crowd were happy.
>

No. That’s a lie told by total retard Michael Dorn (Worf) who says that the
reason for Klingons is so they could hire black actors with nobody knowing.
Klingons had been being played by non-black actors for decades, before
somebody hired Dorn.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 16:49:23 -0700
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> > On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 20:24:57 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> Do they not understand one of the key tenets of science is to
> >>> discover the truth of how things work and what goes into it.
> >>> Starting off with a black woman in a Santa Claus beard pretending
> >>> to be da Vinci doesn't sound like any sort of truth I'm aware of.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Well, it gets their pictures in the paper. I haven’t been back
> >> since they pulled that little stunt not even when they had the
> >> traveling Star Trek exhibit.
> >>
> > Strange - I always thought one of the main reasons for the Klingons
> > in Star Trek was to ensure black actors always got lots of work -
> > and in later shows beyond TOS enough of the Klingons were 'good
> > guys' that the 1960s / 70s ancestors of the current DIE crowd were
> > happy.
>
> No. That’s a lie told by total retard Michael Dorn (Worf) who says
> that the reason for Klingons is so they could hire black actors with
> nobody knowing. Klingons had been being played by non-black actors
> for decades, before somebody hired Dorn.
>
Correct! Having recently rewatched nearly every episode of ST:TOS
recently - I skipped the really awful ones - it's blindingly
obvious that every one of the people playing the Klingon commanders
(and every lesser Klingon that I can recall too) was white.

Now, there *might* be some truth to the idea that later Star Treks used
more black actors as Klingons so that they could increase their count
of black actors; I really couldn't say about that.
--
Rhino

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 16:49:23 -0700
>anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>> > On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 20:24:57 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>> Do they not understand one of the key tenets of science is to
>> >>> discover the truth of how things work and what goes into it.
>> >>> Starting off with a black woman in a Santa Claus beard pretending
>> >>> to be da Vinci doesn't sound like any sort of truth I'm aware of.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Well, it gets their pictures in the paper. I haven’t been back
>> >> since they pulled that little stunt not even when they had the
>> >> traveling Star Trek exhibit.
>> >>
>> > Strange - I always thought one of the main reasons for the Klingons
>> > in Star Trek was to ensure black actors always got lots of work -
>> > and in later shows beyond TOS enough of the Klingons were 'good
>> > guys' that the 1960s / 70s ancestors of the current DIE crowd were
>> > happy.
>>
>> No. That’s a lie told by total retard Michael Dorn (Worf) who says
>> that the reason for Klingons is so they could hire black actors with
>> nobody knowing. Klingons had been being played by non-black actors
>> for decades, before somebody hired Dorn.
>>
>Correct! Having recently rewatched nearly every episode of ST:TOS
>recently - I skipped the really awful ones - it's blindingly
>obvious that every one of the people playing the Klingon commanders
>(and every lesser Klingon that I can recall too) was white.

Black actors is cultural appropriation, same as white actors, as they
are supposed to be Mongolians.

>Now, there *might* be some truth to the idea that later Star Treks used
>more black actors as Klingons so that they could increase their count
>of black actors; I really couldn't say about that.

If the actor is wearing a mask or extensive face makeup, what does his
skin color have to do with anything? You don't know what it is.

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 16:49:23 -0700
>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 20:24:57 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Do they not understand one of the key tenets of science is to
>>>>>> discover the truth of how things work and what goes into it.
>>>>>> Starting off with a black woman in a Santa Claus beard pretending
>>>>>> to be da Vinci doesn't sound like any sort of truth I'm aware of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, it gets their pictures in the paper. I haven’t been back
>>>>> since they pulled that little stunt not even when they had the
>>>>> traveling Star Trek exhibit.
>>>>>
>>>> Strange - I always thought one of the main reasons for the Klingons
>>>> in Star Trek was to ensure black actors always got lots of work -
>>>> and in later shows beyond TOS enough of the Klingons were 'good
>>>> guys' that the 1960s / 70s ancestors of the current DIE crowd were
>>>> happy.
>>>
>>> No. That’s a lie told by total retard Michael Dorn (Worf) who says
>>> that the reason for Klingons is so they could hire black actors with
>>> nobody knowing. Klingons had been being played by non-black actors
>>> for decades, before somebody hired Dorn.
>>>
>> Correct! Having recently rewatched nearly every episode of ST:TOS
>> recently - I skipped the really awful ones - it's blindingly
>> obvious that every one of the people playing the Klingon commanders
>> (and every lesser Klingon that I can recall too) was white.
>
> Black actors is cultural appropriation, same as white actors, as they
> are supposed to be Mongolians.
>
>> Now, there *might* be some truth to the idea that later Star Treks used
>> more black actors as Klingons so that they could increase their count
>> of black actors; I really couldn't say about that.
>
> If the actor is wearing a mask or extensive face makeup, what does his
> skin color have to do with anything? You don't know what it is.
>

That’s what lying retard Michael Dorn is saying. The mask is a way to cast
black actors without the audience knowing.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 16:49:23 -0700
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 20:24:57 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Do they not understand one of the key tenets of science is to
>>>>> discover the truth of how things work and what goes into it.
>>>>> Starting off with a black woman in a Santa Claus beard pretending
>>>>> to be da Vinci doesn't sound like any sort of truth I'm aware of.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, it gets their pictures in the paper. I haven’t been back
>>>> since they pulled that little stunt not even when they had the
>>>> traveling Star Trek exhibit.
>>>>
>>> Strange - I always thought one of the main reasons for the Klingons
>>> in Star Trek was to ensure black actors always got lots of work -
>>> and in later shows beyond TOS enough of the Klingons were 'good
>>> guys' that the 1960s / 70s ancestors of the current DIE crowd were
>>> happy.
>>
>> No. That’s a lie told by total retard Michael Dorn (Worf) who says
>> that the reason for Klingons is so they could hire black actors with
>> nobody knowing. Klingons had been being played by non-black actors
>> for decades, before somebody hired Dorn.
>>
> Correct! Having recently rewatched nearly every episode of ST:TOS
> recently - I skipped the really awful ones

Like The Empath

- it's blindingly
> obvious that every one of the people playing the Klingon commanders
> (and every lesser Klingon that I can recall too) was white.
>

Michael Ansara was from Syria, but he certainly wasn’t black.

> Now, there *might* be some truth to the idea that later Star Treks used
> more black actors as Klingons so that they could increase their count
> of black actors; I really couldn't say about that.

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On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 18:24:59 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>Correct! Having recently rewatched nearly every episode of ST:TOS
>>recently - I skipped the really awful ones - it's blindingly
>>obvious that every one of the people playing the Klingon commanders
>>(and every lesser Klingon that I can recall too) was white.
>
>Black actors is cultural appropriation, same as white actors, as they
>are supposed to be Mongolians.

How can you talk about 'cultural appropriation' when the subject under
discussion are Klingons? (Who last I heard were made up characters)

>>Now, there *might* be some truth to the idea that later Star Treks used
>>more black actors as Klingons so that they could increase their count
>>of black actors; I really couldn't say about that.
>
>If the actor is wearing a mask or extensive face makeup, what does his
>skin color have to do with anything? You don't know what it is.

Very true.Just like in the later Trek shows there are black Vulcans...

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 18:24:59 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>>> Correct! Having recently rewatched nearly every episode of ST:TOS
>>> recently - I skipped the really awful ones - it's blindingly
>>> obvious that every one of the people playing the Klingon commanders
>>> (and every lesser Klingon that I can recall too) was white.
>>
>> Black actors is cultural appropriation, same as white actors, as they
>> are supposed to be Mongolians.
>
> How can you talk about 'cultural appropriation' when the subject under
> discussion are Klingons? (Who last I heard were made up characters)
>
>>> Now, there *might* be some truth to the idea that later Star Treks used
>>> more black actors as Klingons so that they could increase their count
>>> of black actors; I really couldn't say about that.
>>
>> If the actor is wearing a mask or extensive face makeup, what does his
>> skin color have to do with anything? You don't know what it is.
>
> Very true.Just like in the later Trek shows there are black Vulcans...
>

African-American Vulcans! And native American Vulcans?! And Asian American
Vulcans!

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On 4/12/24 3:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even though it
> has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the usual definition of
> 'diversity' in Hollywood.
>
> Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet again and
> it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in your show, you still
> have to have a quota of black people regardless of whether their presence
> makes any damn sense or not.
>
> https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1be70ab0
>
>

Guess we need another history lesson. Yes, there were black people
living in Japan in 1600 (and before). We don't see them in SHOGUN for
two reasons.

1) They were, statistically insignificant in number.
2) SHOGUN is based on real historical figures and events that took place
in Osaka on the Island of Honshu.

John Blackthorne is based on William Adams (the English Samurai).
Toranaga Yoshi is based on the actual SHOGUN Tokugawa Ieyasu. Toda
Mariko is based on a Christian samurai Hosokawa Gracia, who was
instrumental in establishing the Tokugawa Shogunate in 1603. Her family
history and death mirrors that of Toda Mariko in SHOGUN.

The clan crest (Mon or Kamon) used in the 2024 version actually used
Tokugawa Ieyasu's correct sigil, the triple hollyhock.
(The 1980 version did not.)

Back to the blacks... the entire population of Japan in that period was
12-15 million people. Out of that, only one to two thousand were
foreigners, and almost all would have been white missionaries, merchants
and sailors.

The blacks brought by Europeans would have been servants, slaves, or
navigators (pilots). They would NOT have been in the geographical area
where Shogun takes place (OSAKA, on the Island of Honshu). The black
people in this period are in the Nagasaki area on the Island of KYUSHU,
as slaves to the Jesuits and western merchants. (Not that there was a
significant number of them anyway.)

This 2024 version of SHOGUN is incredibly historically accurate, in so
far as it gets almost all of the details correct, including using the
historical Japanese dialect of that period. Not perfect, but almost.

There was ONE famous black man who was made a retainer to the Daimyo Oda
Nobunaga. His name was Yasuke, and he may have even been a samurai. He
shows up in a few paintings of that period.
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"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC
Bible 25B.G.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0

Gracie, age 6.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0

In article <uvlsre$v26u$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 4/12/24 3:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even though it
> > has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the usual definition of
> > 'diversity' in Hollywood.
> >
> > Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet again and
> > it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in your show, you still
> > have to have a quota of black people regardless of whether their presence
> > makes any damn sense or not.
> >
> > https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1
> > be70ab0

> Guess we need another history lesson. Yes, there were black people
> living in Japan in 1600 (and before). We don't see them in SHOGUN for
> two reasons.
>
> 1) They were, statistically insignificant in number.
> 2) SHOGUN is based on real historical figures and events that took place
> in Osaka on the Island of Honshu.

So bitching about no black people in SHOGUN is stupid, like I said.

You're so obsessed with refuting everything I say that you no longer
even notice when you're agreeing with me.

On 4/16/24 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <uvlsre$v26u$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/12/24 3:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even though it
>>> has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the usual definition of
>>> 'diversity' in Hollywood.
>>>
>>> Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet again and
>>> it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in your show, you still
>>> have to have a quota of black people regardless of whether their presence
>>> makes any damn sense or not.
>>>
>>> https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1
>>> be70ab0
>
>> Guess we need another history lesson. Yes, there were black people
>> living in Japan in 1600 (and before). We don't see them in SHOGUN for
>> two reasons.
>>
>> 1) They were, statistically insignificant in number.
>> 2) SHOGUN is based on real historical figures and events that took place
>> in Osaka on the Island of Honshu.
>
> So bitching about no black people in SHOGUN is stupid, like I said.
>
> You're so obsessed with refuting everything I say that you no longer
> even notice when you're agreeing with me.

I didn't "refute" anything. I explained to you exactly why you won't
see any black people in SHOGUN.

You really should work harder on your reading comprehension.
They were there, but very few in number, and not in Osaka.

--
"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC
Bible 25B.G.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0

Gracie, age 6.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0

In article <uvogdg$1jt55$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 4/16/24 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <uvlsre$v26u$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/12/24 3:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

> >>> Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even though it
> >>> has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the usual definition of
> >>> 'diversity' in Hollywood.
> >>>
> >>> Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet again and
> >>> it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in your show, you
> >>> still have to have a quota of black people regardless of whether their
> >>> presence makes any damn sense or not.
> >>>
> >>> https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71f
> >>> c1be70ab0
> >
> >> Guess we need another history lesson. Yes, there were black people
> >> living in Japan in 1600 (and before). We don't see them in SHOGUN for
> >> two reasons.
> >>
> >> 1) They were, statistically insignificant in number.
> >> 2) SHOGUN is based on real historical figures and events that took place
> >> in Osaka on the Island of Honshu.
> >
> > So bitching about no black people in SHOGUN is stupid, like I said.
> >
> > You're so obsessed with refuting everything I say that you no longer
> > even notice when you're agreeing with me.
>
> I didn't "refute" anything. I explained to you exactly why you won't
> see any black people in SHOGUN.

Did you have a stroke and somehow think I was the author of the Medium
article that was complaining about no blacks in SHOGUN?

If not, I can't imagine why you thought I needed an amateur historian
lecture on Japanese history.

atropos@mac.com wrote:
> FPP wrote:
>> On 4/16/24 3:14 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> FPP wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/24 3:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

>>>>> Apparently a show about feudal Japan isn't diverse enough even though
>>>>> it has hardly any white people-- 'not white' being the usual definition
>>>>> of'diversity' in Hollywood.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now it seems that the definition of 'diversity' is morphing yet again
>>>>> and it now doesn't matter how many other minorities are in your show,
>>>>> you still have to have a quota of black people regardless of whether
>>>>> their presence makes any damn sense or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/where-are-the-black-people-in-shogun-71fc1be70ab0
>> >
>>>> Guess we need another history lesson. Yes, there were black people
>>>> living in Japan in 1600 (and before). We don't see them in SHOGUN for
>>>> two reasons.
>>>>
>>>> 1) They were, statistically insignificant in number.
>>>> 2) SHOGUN is based on real historical figures and events that took place
>>>> in Osaka on the Island of Honshu.
>>>
>>> So bitching about no black people in SHOGUN is stupid, like I said.
>>>
>>> You're so obsessed with refuting everything I say that you no longer
>>> even notice when you're agreeing with me.
>>
>> I didn't "refute" anything. I explained to you exactly why you won't
>> see any black people in SHOGUN.
>
>Did you have a stroke and somehow think I was the author of the Medium
>article that was complaining about no blacks in SHOGUN?
>
>If not, I can't imagine why you thought I needed an amateur historian
>lecture on Japanese history.

FPP's thirst for an "Internet win" is real (and irresistable).

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